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>> just start with a domain, a few clicks and you're in business make now the future at godaddy.com slash arrow erin burnett outfront. >> next, odd cnn tonight the national zoo here in washington is preparing to welcome two new giant pandas from china. that announcement coming in a video message featuring first lady jill biden, celebrating the news three of the beloved bears have departed the zoo last november, prompting concerns. the 30 year partnership with china and he's conservation officials could be coming to an end two 50 year partnership. the zoo says the new pandas, a pair of two-year-olds should be arriving in the nation's capital by the end of the year i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. thanks very much for watching erin burnett outfront starts right now
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>> outfront. next breaking news, the jury letter to congress, i'll talk to congressman jamie raskin, he says he knows how to force alito to recuse and fear of a terror attack in new york, police ramping up security tonight as isis case suggests, it may targeted stadium that holds up to 34,000 people. let's go out and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. the breaking news, the jury sending out notes twice late today asking crucial questions as donald trump's fate tonight hangs in the balance. now, trump's criminal trial is now in the hands 12 new yorkers who are debating
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whether to convict trump in the first criminal trial of an american president ever. seven men and five women on that jury. they have been deliberating now for more than 4.5 hours, and i was there today when they sent out two notes first, they asked for the transcript of testimony from two major witnesses, the former chief of the national enquirer, david pecker and michael cohen, trump's former fixer. >> the jury specifically asked for the testimony of each of those people, cohen and pecker, regarding a crucial meeting in trump tower in august 2015. >> that's where prosecutors said cohen and pecker hatch the plan conspired to boost trump's chances of winning the election by buying and killing negative stories. now, they asking you that specific meeting is important and testimony of the two people who testified who were in that meeting, pecker's testimony had been overall for the former president. he had for days on the stand providing salacious details about trump's alleged affairs and efforts to conceal them before the election. now the jury also wanted to tails
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other details from pecker's testimony that includes information about the former playmate, karen mcdougal, who had said she had nearly a year long affair with trump now while the jury was meeting today, the former president had to be there every time they do a note, they come back in the room. the judge, the jury and the president, a former president, and the lawyers. and otherwise he's sitting in a room off the side waiting on the jury like everybody else. he had nothing to do, apparently, so he fired off more than 50 social media posts in a room somewhere near that courtroom. we're waiting and he attacked the judge again and again as well as others. but juan merchan laying out great detail. the jury instructions which trump slammed. i want to hold these up because this is actually really important tonight. this is 55 pages. >> it's not determined whether he's guilty or innocent and maybe like a couple of paragraphs. >> i mean, it's 55 pages. look at it of a jury instructions on how to determine this case, how with the jury should do to reach their verdict now, here's what's amazing. the jury does not have these instructions. they actually don't have them. it's sort of incredible. 55 pages laying out
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the rules to convict her acquit foreign president. i'd states first in history, and they're supposed to remember the 55 pages which brings me to the next note that the jury actually sent out today. they asked for those instructions to also be read tomorrow. and the judge is saying, well, which specific part, so they're gonna they're gonna clear that up in the morning. but trump, of course, as very upset about the instructions he's not happy with them and he spoke out about it today. >> i would say it listening to the charges from the judges. as you know, very conflicted and corrupt because of the conflictual. very, very correct. mother teresa could not be discharges. these charges are rigged. >> all thing is rigged the new word conflictual. >> will paula reid is outfront outside the courthouse as you have been into fatigability as we say, paula. so everybody is trying to read tea leaves on these notes from the jury, right? first gas for four pieces of testimony to be re-read, including crucial
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testimony about that meeting, testimony about mare and karen mcdougal, then they came back and asked for the jury instructions to be read again. >> what are you learning? >> yeah my favorite thing about today, erin. >> oh, what are the unique features of the new york court system? is that when the jury has something to say to the court, they have to bring a buzzer and then we hear this buzzer. everyone freaks out and then we wonder, what do they need and we learned today they sent these two nodes the first one was that they want to hear more testimony and we know that they have a laptop that includes a lot of evidence from this trial, but it does not include transcripts from testimony, from witnesses in this case. so they asked for for specific pieces of testimony, three of which are from david pecker they asked for a testimony about a call, pecker had with trump details that pecker testified to about the deal that was reached with karen mcdougal, pecker's testimony about the trump tower meeting, and then michael cohen's testimony about that same meeting. now what was really interesting is that the
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judge locked both the defense attorneys and the prosecutors in the courtroom until they could agree about exactly what the jury will hear back. let the jury go home, but he said, look, you're not leaving until both sides agree on what we're going to read them back related to this testimony tomorrow. now, the judge soulmates to settle a few disputes, but tomorrow nine 30, we'll be back here in court, will kick off as the court reader, the court reporter, she will sit on the witness stand and she will reread these portions of testimony back to the jury now, as you also noted, they've also asked for the jury instructions to be read to them. the judges and clear though they need all 55 pages or just parts of it. now, erin, that was a surprise that they asked for, that it suggests that there was some disagreement about what they just heard a few hours of before four but when it comes to the testimony, the fact that they're asking you about the 2015 trump tower meeting, they prosecutors allege was the first step in this conspiracy. that's just erin. they're going through chronologically and that would also suggest we could be here for awhile. >> in the second part about being important, right? if
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you're going chronologically, you are you, are at the very beginning, i paula. >> thank you very much. >> on our panel is here with me, mark amira, i want to start with you just as you take a look at where we are. >> your four plus hours in, it was just before i want to say 3:00 when the first note came out, we all came running into here and it was requesting those four pieces. of testimony. and then about a half an hour later, 20 months later. so the next request for the actual jury instructions to be read back. >> so when you take all this and you're four plus hours in, what do you think at this point? i think you're doing it very well. i think you're doing chronologically. i as was just said there's two ways or two reasons. sometimes you want to transcript. one is too simplistic, one, i thought she said the light was red. no, i believe she said the light was green and they bring out the transcript to resolve conflict. in fact, as remembered by the jury i will tell you it doesn't see me what's happening here now that we know they're asking you for different transcripts about the
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same event that one event that may be the first step in the conspiracy as a wedge by the prosecution. so i think it's good that they're going through it logically. somebody said a couple of days ago might be one hour jury, and i think the rest of her said now our verdict we said no way. and i think they should take to time. it's a very, very significant case. i think they are and i think they have a lot more work to do through tomorrow and maybe the next day. >> all right. so how are you been in there every every day of the trial and you spent a lot of time watching the jury, obviously. >> i think what was so interesting today is that it's empty and then sudden the note comes out. >> it's like back to the 1850s by friday at those phones like rats and we all go running in and then the jury and the judge or it comes out. okay. and then they put their requests. but you have spent a lot of time watching the jury all the way through this. kristen holmes, who obviously covers the trump campaign. she's reporting trump's team believes there are one or two jurors in particular that could deliver them a mistrial what what's your take on the jury luck that
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fact is unremarkable. >> we're exactly at the stage where people are. every little thing your tease out in 16 different directions. each party made their final now calls for jury selection. remember, and they took a couple of risks. and it's just part of the trial lawyers ardor obsession, their focused very much on the jury, and i think it stands to reason for each of them was number seven kind of smiling when that you're that you just don't want to somebody that seemed to nod when jd vance it was in the room. there you go. i have that in particular, a lot of eyes on that journey. >> that's right. so in other words, the fact that they say, oh, we think there are one or two who could be holdouts. says essentially nothing. every trial you would have something like that and you'd be focused on an exactly now. >> all right. so as you're in the courtroom today and you see this jury going in and out. what do you read into it? i mean, clearly really they're taking their time and they've paid attention all the way through. but what's your take on them now? >> i think the questions are excellent. the fact that they
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are looking for pecker's testimony compared to collins testimony at that august 2015 meeting in trump tower, it can mean a couple of things. yes, they're starting at the beginning. >> we already know michael cohen is already deemed an accomplice, so maybe what they're trying to do is to see if his testimony has been corroborated because the judge said it has to be corroborated. >> so that's what i think they're looking for their and as far as the other two questions, i think they want more details about what is pecker thinking? is he credible? because those other two questions had to do with what pecker is thinking about at that event? estimating. >> and also as far as mcdougal's concern. all right. and so ryan then on top of all this, the judge the jury, the last note everyone, every time there's a note, everyone says, well, maybe they're actually got maybe we're done here anyway. nope. nope, they come out and they want this okay. so so can we just take a step back on this 55 pages and they don't get to look at it. i mean, i understand this is the case in every case and i want to make that clear, but but
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that doesn't make any sense. >> hour-and-a-half to read we were there when he did it. yeah. >> i mean, and then they're supposed to just remember. >> right. so it doesn't make sense in a sense of that's not a smart way of handling the criminal justice system. that is the new york criminal justice so do i understand that prototype you want people to know what they're doing and then think correctly about it. >> absolutely makes sense. yeah. the way i think of it as like myself as a lawyer, i want that document. >> i want to look at it and his on my computer in hard-copy. i want let's circle things and highlight them and then helps me remember it, know what the elements of each of the crimes they don't have that they have to do it by memory. and one haven't been told it once. so now they're actually asking for at least to be told it a second time. but that really puts it in a really strange category. >> it also raises the question and i'm just saying it raises the question 55 pages is a lot, so i don't want to put now any kind of motivation, but among the things written on these 55 pages, areas although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by
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unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means. we're this is the entire heart of the point ty cobb was making last night. that's right. and the fat i'm not saying that's necessarily what they're going for but it could be. >> yeah. and when we read that all the way through these last few weeks and makes your head spin. but i actually think they they have of that out on wednesday. and what the judge gave them i think was not all that complicated you've got to do three things they were false and bizarrely, the trump team is fighting on what they're saying. oh that's a real, real things. he was actually getting paid for legal services preposterous, and, you these false false records were done to promote some candidacy that looks pretty strong as well and by unlawful means. but there really the leading with one theory which is the unlawful means here is an excessive fat, a campaign contribution. so all in all, i don't think you immediately go into the deep and i think it's manageable for the jury. i just wanted to say one thing about the call,
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so i agree with it, with everything. but the call's important that pecker takes from trump first, it's very memorable. he's like talking to shareholders on the president, and you can states is on the call. but it does two things. i think. first, it makes clear pecker thinks that trump had an affair with mcdougal. he says so. yeah, and so it might mean they're thinking about trump's credibility, including with stormy. but second and more importantly, trump tower just go to cohen cohen will take care of this. in other words, he casts does trump cohen in the exact role cohen said he play? >> and it makes him that's consistent, which could be significant. mark amir, i know these instructions stand out to you though again, as i go through them and 55 pages well, they really do because it is truly an instruction booklet. >> and if i said to you, aaron, here is 55 pages. read it once, and then go to not the car, go put together the piece of furniture, go do anything that you allen wrench yeah. >> you were saying was insane
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and yet not to give them an answer that you can look through it and answer their own questions. what they have about the instructions just makes no sense to me and i think it is again, sort of grounds for an appeal with the conviction because the state can appeal over acquittal. but if there's a conviction more grounds for appeal, i noticed the law or the protocol new york, but it just makes so little sense to not give them something which is cell instructed and also so confusing to clear up that confusion before they make a mistake. >> i liked the furniture assembly analogy because i'm having put together certain ikea items. i can i i think everybody can now actually did in case you not successor broken part, but ryan so we're about when you look at the requests that came out today, where do you sort of when you take a step back and obviously maybe the jury at themselves don't know. but where do you think this leads i think the prosecution probably thinks they've are having a good day and the main reason is that and the closing statement, this
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strongest argument that todd blanche has is michael cohen is not credible and without his testimony at this thing is over the four questions suggests that have passed that hurdle. >> they're asking about cohen's testimony whether or not corroborated by pecker's testimony, they're asking about pecker taking the call. they're asking think about pecker's arrangement with mcdougal. hush money payment they've seems like they're not being hung up by that because otherwise it could be game over. >> and one final question, tara, you i was just watching trump today and he was very engaged during tapping his lawyers back-and-forth, back-and-forth. did you notice anything about him today? yes. actually, i did when he left today at the very end of the de he seemed deflated. he is looking at the audience, but he looked at his son and donald junior actually looked back on one of the things i noticed. it looked as though donald junior was saying, are you okay because they did look really down and really deflated. now, maybe earlier he had more energy, but i think by the time all of it was said and done and
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he was sent to the other room while he waited to see if there were going to be any questions, he seemed very deflated that's interesting. >> and that exchange between him and his son. >> thank you all very much. i appreciate it. uh, next we do have breaking news. kristen holmes has new reporting tonight on what trump's team plans to do if is convicted. so kristen, next with this breaking news, plus supreme court justice samuel alito, in an extremely rare move, you went and wrote an entire letter to congress to say that he will not recuse himself in cases diet tied to january 6 and doubling down with great detail about why it was all his wife's fault for flying the flag. >> and putin putting the united states on notice after the biden administration since suggests, it may give you crane the go ahead to use american weapons to strike deep inside russia sirens are going off the tornado i'm thinking, i'm going to die and i thought that
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jury goes home night without a verdict, trump's team is behind closed doors and they are hashing out a game plan close aides and allies of the former president are telling our christian homes how trump plans to respond to a possible conviction in this case. >> and kristen is out front now. so kristen, what are you learning about? what they're thinking, how they're discussing this, what their plans are well, everyone, i'm talking to these senior advisers. they believe they've really been spending this trial from long before it even started to prepare for a potential conviction. they have been calling this election interference. you have seen donald trump and a number of his allies calling this rigged on the airwaves on social media saying that this is about president joe biden, which obviously it is an office was brought by the state of new york and attacking da alvin bragg saying that he should have never actually brought this case and we saw a little bit of a preview of how they're going to respond if he is potentially convicted just moments ago, chris loss of eden, susie whiles the two heads of the trump campaign putting out a memo lining that because essentially they have said that this trial is quote unquote, rigged, that they don't believe that it's going
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to impact the election in november, and i've talked to a number of senior advisers who say they actually do believe that to be the case, it might move the numbers a little bit, but all within the margin of error and they don't think it's going to impact the former president when it comes time for them to cast their ballots, are voters to cast their ballots. now, one thing i want to point out is all we are talking about a potential conviction and we know that they are bracing for it. they're preparing for it. they are also still holding out some hope that there is a hung jury earlier today all around trump's orbit. they were circulating the voting data from 2020, essentially that breaks down the percentage or number of votes that biden got vs trump. but if you look at that dot data, it would suggest that out of 12 manhattan residents or citizens, that there will be at least one republican leaning voter. now that because they believed this is completely political, gives them some hope that that jury might have one person who would be sympathetic to former
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president donald trump. but of course, keep in mind aaron, this is all reading tea leaves. they have absolutely no idea. they are just hoping for the best right now, right? >> yeah, absolutely. all right. kristin, thank you very much. >> and i want to go out for nauta, someone who knows district attorney alvin bragg very well. >> terry gerstein's is bags coast friend. she also worked with them as a prosecutor in the new york attorney general's office and tara, it's good to see you again, so you hear christians reporting and what trump's gonna do. and of course going after bragg he's been in the room. he was in there for clubs closing and obviously for much of the case, as we were there, he really was i think only there one other time, so he really left this to steinglass and his team in terms of the day in and day out. but how ready do you think he is for trump's response well, i think that that kind of statement is something that trump has been saying all along. >> and i think the position that this is political the goal is just belied by the facts in this case. there were 20 witnesses, there were mountains of evidence, a ton of documentary evidence. when de
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bragg ran for office, he ran saying that he was going to put an end to two systems of justice. one for wealthy and powerful people, and one for everyone else. really given this amount of documentary evidence and witness testimony to not bring the case would have been political so all that being said, it's been what, just over more than two years since bragg was sworn in as da. >> but it's been over a year since he charged trump. and i know he has been doing a lot of other things. he's focused on guns, he's been doing a lot of other things but losing this case would have serious implications. this is in the public eye what he has come to stand for in many senses, how prepared is he for the possibility that he does not win? >> well, he's a really experienced lawyer. he was a federal prosecutor. he was a state prosecutor he knows what the legal standard is as all bus do, right? it's beyond a reasonable doubt and you have to have unanimity of the jury. so i think that he is like anyone, he knows that even if you have an extremely strong
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case, it can go it doesn't necessarily mean that you get a conviction. >> so as you point out and he's been doing this for many years in different capacities, right? but here we are the stories more than four hours in they're clearly, they don't seem to be close at all. they're asking for the instructions again, they're chronologically asking for information from the very beginning. so that may not mean that they're not done, but it may signal this is gonna go awhile. what's he doing? do during this time during the deliberations? >> so my best guess is that he's working he's not someone who'd be pacing are watching in tv. he's like very, very very hard working. >> he was always stayed at the office really late. >> the office right now, the mass the manhattan da's office has 30,000 plus cases. they announced indictments just this this past month of landlords and they had a plea of employer for wage theft. so there's a lot of work that they're doing in the office apart from this one case, right?
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>> 30,000 cases. that's an important number. >> now, when it comes to were talking about christians reporting on what trump's team is thinking. >> trump himself because of the gag order does not preclude him from a personal attacks against bragg or more sean has done both in plenitude. and here's just some of the things over the past few weeks during the trial that he said about bragg alvin bragg does nothing. >> he goes you have to guys like trump did nothing wrong. fat alvin corrupt guy he's a corrupt and really a corrupt or dropped district attorney who's allowed prime in the city to go totally unchecked. >> that's just the tip of the iceberg in a sense, it after this trial ends, i mean, are you concerned about that? >> well, i mean, in terms of concerns about public safety, prosecutors routinely bring cases involving people accused of murder are all kinds of violent crimes. so i think that in terms of public safety, i'm sure that da bragg and his team
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are really aware of keeping him safe, keeping everyone in the office safe the personal insults that's par for the course. in terms of the actual facts crime in manhattan is actually down considerably since de bragg took office a couple of years ago. >> all right. well, i appreciate your time today. thank you very pretty much. thank you. >> all right. next and error letter, justice samuel alito refusing to recuse himself from to january 6, cases after that far right. flag. was seen flying. i just home. >> i'm going to speak to congressman jamie raskin next because he says he has a way that you would be able to force a liter step aside. >> so he'll share that and police in new york on alert over fears that isis maybe plotting to attack what's being called the super bowl on steroids when the competition is a nuclear competition, spying is extraordinarily important the russians were
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vii to three-to-one, three-to-one today not going back home as possible. >> number was mavericks coverage begins tomorrow with seven, 30 the nba western conference finals presented by at&t on tnt with western conference finals, old cast on trutv tonight, defiant supreme court justice samuel alito in a rare letter to congress, sankey won't recuse himself from january 6, related cases alito fighting back against critics who say an upside down american flags flag flying over his home in january of 2021, as well as the second flag on the property. another one of his properties used by insurrectionists on january 6
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show bias now alito says that his wife flew those flags without his awareness. and actually in the case of the inverted american flag, which was sort of a standard bearer for the january 6 crowd he says his wife actually refused for several days to take it down after he asked her to. he wrote to congress and part of that quote, my wife is fond of flying flags. >> i am not. >> my wife was solely responsible for having flag poles put up at our residents and our vacation home and it's flowing a wide variety of flags over the years okay out front. now, democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland, top democrat on the house oversight committee, also a lawyer and a former constitutional law professor, right. >> and he's written an op-ed arguing that there is a way to force alito to recuse himself from january 6 cases. >> and congressman, i so much appreciate your time and obviously, i want to get to your op-ed that's the heart of this but first, i just as i was reading that, i don't know if my reaction was apparent anyone watching, but my wife is fond of flying flags and he asked her for several days to take it down and she didn't what's your reaction to that? he's
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written a letter to congress essentially tripling down on its all his wife's fall well, the aba ethics rules governing recusal, which has been embraced by the supreme court in decisions relating to judicial recusal, specify that justices must pay attention both to the reality and the appearance of their spouses this is potential financial and personal conflicts of interests, as well as their own. so even if it were true and one can obviously doubt it, that he didn't realize that they had one inverted american flag and another flag that was embraced by the anti biden opposition and the trump insurrection flexion is movement even if he didn't know anything about it, he would still have to essentially be concerned about his wife's activities as well. and that's in the aba rules of judicial recusal. >> the right. and it's important as you lay it out, i'll just emphasize again for
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everybody that the upside down flag he has admitted he knew about any what at stanford he asked her to remove it and she wouldn't. so it's not even that i can say i didn't even know in that case he's admitted to that. >> but but on this recusal issue and you go through the aba standards, but usually there's a way actually congressman in the constitution and federal law to force alito to recuse himself in these cases. >> what is it? >> so there are several cases that i talked about in this op-ed the supreme court considers this matter of ethics, not just this discrete and esoteric field. this is constitutional. it goes right to the right of due process. the supreme court has struck down case he says where there were judges who were ruling who should not have been ruling because they considered it a violation of due process for them to be sitting in the chair. so if you look at the cape bird in case, for example, out of west virginia, there, you had a party before a judge
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and that party had spent 3 million dollars in getting the judge elected. and although unlike this case, you couldn't even find bias that was expressed by the judge. >> the court said the objective circumstances required recusal in that case because the partisan alignment was so clear between the judge in between the party in the case and so there are other cases like that, but this one is clearer than any of them really, where you get a judge and or his wife basically wearing their political heart on their sleeve. >> what does that say to the parties before them? >> well, it also seems at the very least it the perception of it, right you would hope the supreme court justices would care so deeply about that. and to preserve institutions in this country, especially at a time when they're under such assault that that he may come to a different conclusion, but he got he says actually congressman in his letter,
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quote, any reasonable person he says who is not motivated by politics, or again, i quote, or a desire to affect the outcome of the supreme court cases any reasonable person who would conclude he doesn't need to recuse himself. >> what do you say to that? >> well, it's interesting he uses that language because any reasonable person is basically the standard that's used in terms of recusal. the supreme court says, it's not a subjective test. alito and thomas, who's involved arguably in an even more complicit as situation in terms of his wife's play political activities, but they seem to think that it's up to them. they can decide for themselves. but what the supreme court has said is that this is an objective test, not a question of subjective introspection. and will on the part of the particular judge in any reasonable person would look at this situation and say, these judges at the very least have a deep appearance of bias in these cases and if you look at
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the pennsylvania case which i discussed, that the supreme court decided there again, the court said it's not a subjective test. it's an objective test. and then in looking at it, there are a whole series of criteria that are borrowed from the aba and then they also said, finally that it's not enough to say, well, it's just one justice out of nine because it's not just their vote, which would be unethically unconstitutionally cast. it's their ability to influence the other justices as well, which is so problematic, right? >> of course, as you point out, as ripple effect congressman, thank you so much. i appreciate your time you've got. >> all right next, a massive security presence in new york tonight. >> as fears are growing that isis k may be plotting to attack a major global sports competition. >> and we also so tonight of a special report on putin's war in ukraine. >> and here's the truth it may actually be now giving america's military the major boost we are modernizing
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from isis k, the terror group posting an image referencing a stadium on long island and the j. the date of june 9, that is when the cricket world cup is underway. now this is a massive global event, matches over 11 days a stadium that holds 34,000 people and now local police are responding when you got a game and a crowd as big as this, everything is credible i'll find now john miller, now our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, and john, so i mean cricket obviously, people in the us may not be as familiar with it. >> some people, but around the world, nothing is bigger all right, this is a massive event, 34,000 people fitting in the stadium over 11 days, people flying in from all over the world so what are you learning? well, the threats against this from isis and isis khorasan and remember for context, isis has been severely degraded since the us and it's partners have been warring against them. but
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isis cortisone has held on through this, which is the group that does their external attacks and what have they done? the attack in iran at general sulla montis memorial service? the attack against the shopping mall in moscow where the mall burned down. and so many were killed. so when they are in the thread business, that's something that pat ryder or the police commissioner of nassau county take seriously. we saw the first threats come in an april but the one that showed the stadium with imagery of drones flying over it that came in yesterday with additional information has really caught their attention, and i will also say, when you point out the moscow attack that was an attack that the united states had gotten word. i've had warned up putin about, and they ignored that warning. but the point is, the warning was real no warning then present and it was a specific even that it could happen in that place. so the warnings warnings can be very well. so you're also talking to your sources. i know about preparations for the moment the verdict is announced. and it down downtown, obviously. so what do you expect from that?
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>> so i think that when the verdict is announced, i believe that's going to be on a very short lease, which is sometimes when you have a racially charged case in order to move police resources and they'll give you several hours. in this case. what i'm hearing from the people down there in the court officers and the nypd is they're expecting something much shorter, like maybe 30 minutes. they've reached a verdict. we're going to bury them in and so on. enough time for people who are a couple of blocks away having a cup of coffee to get back to the courthouse. but i also think the nypd is very flexible in terms of what they call mobile field forces they have between five and eight of them on all the time. and there'll be able to bring in a fairly large number of police just as a precaution, if they think they need to but since the first day, it has been relatively quiet there. >> yes, it has a little a little busier today, i guess i would say then some days, but but i think decibels threat if there is a conviction and there's no suggestion that we
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production. i think what we've seen from the lessons learned ukraine is that all of us, the united states, are nato allies, need more munitions. we need bigger stockpiles, conflicts can be more drawn now than we thought. >> and when one weapon from us inventories goes to ukraine, another newer weapon takes its place bradley infantry fighting vehicles sent into the thick of the fight will be replaced by the latest models of the armed and armored systems, counter-battery radars. ukraine has used to defend against incoming fire will make way for you newer radar systems atacms, missiles that ukraine has used a strike deep within occupied territory are to be replaced with advanced longer-range precision strike missiles. as we send weapons to ukraine, the us replaces them with either newer variance or newer system it is a way of modernizing the us military. >> that's right. i like to say we're not going to replace old with old. we're going to replace old with new. we are
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modernizing through the support that we're giving to the ukrainians to feed the kremlin's war president vladimir putin has placed russia's economy and a full war-time footing. trying to outproducing the west. and what is becoming a grinding war of attrition russia spends nearly 7% of its gdp on defense with plans to go even higher far more than the us or any western nation, even if russian weapons are lower quality on old military adage, says that quantity has a quality of its own when russia burned through its own supply of artillery ammo to quickly, north korea sent millions of brown's that made their way to the front lines. iranian shah had drones have expanded an already deadlye weapons at the speed of war took precious time, close the gap for years, the us that's relied on decades old plants like this one in scranton, pennsylvania to make artillery rounds. a world war ii era defense industrial base. it's suddenly fell far short. this
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new artillery plant as part of a surge and weapons production that isn't done yet. the pressure on the us plight ukraine's military as it modernizes its own, it took two years from start to finish to bring us here. and now we're just in the process building that the munition stockpile that we need not only to help our allies in europe and elsewhere, but to deter countries like china and iran and north korea it's not just artillery, ammunition that's being ramped up in terms of its production, the us also has a goal of producing 650 patriot missiles a year up from only 100 now, and aaron, these are absolutely weapons in demand not only by ukraine, but by others very much reminds me of what fdr one's called the arsenal of democracy all right, oren, thank you very much. it was really incredible. you think about that 650 patriots had been 100. think of a part of this war that many were not aware of. >> oren. thank you so much. there on the ground in texas next where is ivanka trump's?
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outside court tuesday, but missing from the public sibling show of support, ivanka could trump. >> and you'll be vindicated thank you very much if no response to shouted questions about whether their sister, ivanka, who to date has not shown up to court, was planning on making an appearance. >> her husband, jared kushner has also been absent pretrial in march. the couple and the former president spotted at a youth who fc event in miami over the last seven weeks since the trial started, various instagram post showed a couple in places such as miami and mexico, often with their children, their absence may be notable, given both were familiar faces during trump's first presidential campaign, and both became presidential advisers. in trump's white house. but back in 2022, trump made it clear she didn't plan to be as involved in this campaign saying, i loved my father very much this time around, i am choosing to prioritize my young children and the private life we are
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creating as a family. i do not plan to be involved all of the in politics. >> trump's children are school age and a source now telling cnn, she has concerns about them now being old enough to understand what's happening and their grandfathers criminal trial and she's not the only high-profile trump missing from court the former first lady, melania trump. >> all so, uh, no-show during the criminal trial, perhaps no surprise given the sorted accusations as for ivanka trump, since her own father and siblings have repeatedly pushed the narrative that this is not a case about seeking justice, is this is political lawfare. >> and it absolutely has to stop. >> so if it's politics at play trump has said she wants no part of it, saying, well, i will always love and support my father going forward. i will do so outside the political arena. >> and a source telling cnn that both ivanka and jared have not