that we are 100 and what, 59 days away from a presidential election with the defendant as the person who will be on that ballot. it's an ignore miss moment. it is for all all defendants as well. remember, the weight of the government against a person, the burden of proof that is required to convict somebody. these are all things are considered by defendant. he came out yesterday, talk about and almost started manage expectations about even mother teresa could not have beat this case. now the burden of proof does not mean that it's a given that you will get a conviction or that the weight of the government and had then your name at the other end of against such as the people of new york. but just think about this, this is the indictment in this case. this is how lengthy it was 34 charges they had to go through each of them, some involved ledgers, entries, some involved invoices, others involve personal checks if this is a mixed verdict as karen has articulated, well, it's perhaps not surprising that there are different ways in which the evidence came in to support each one defendants tie to the individual accounts, but this cannot be overstated.

>> we have a moment of extraordinary history. it is a moment of unbelievable history unprecedented. we've said that so many times involving donald trump. but truly this moment involving a former us president and the legal system, the criminal justice system in this country of evan tents concept got a consequence. judge merchan is on the bench. we do expect the jury to come forward with their verdict in ten minutes or so. so we are really in the closing minutes and again, we don't know what the verdict is going to be. we know it can't be a hung jury because they've only been doing it for lesson 12 hours. and so that's not enough time to say, hey, we can't come to a conclusion. they it could be 12, it could be 34 counts of acquittal. it could be 34 counts of guilt and conviction. it could be. and one of our experts at least is going out on a limb and said that she thinks that it's possible that it's a mixed verdict because otherwise, why would you need 30? three minutes to go over

and check boxes, mug shot, and reading the note into the record one more time. the judge has called for the jury. we are just minutes away from finding out for those wondering what differences there are in the case elie and then tim of the different checks and ledgers, two of them are 12 counts, 124 and counts five to seven. we're not signed by donald trump himself. those were in february and march 2017 all the others counts eight through 34, have to do with invoices, voucher there's checks and stubs and where donald trump was the one who signed the check-in question. >> crucial point here. >> we are about to receive not a verdict or the verdict, but 34 verdicts, and we to take them one at a time because i have seen it happen plenty of times where count one is guilty, and then later on there's a bunch of not guilty. >> i've seen it work count 12 234 are all not guilty. and then the rest of them are guilty. and if there's a split

verdict here, which is a possibility one way the jury might decide to split this verdict is to convict on the checks that donald trump signed, but not the other documents. and if that's the case, i can believe the first check that donald trump actually signed is count ten. >> so the judge has called before the jury. he asked both parties the defense and the prosecution, are we ready to bring out the jury? both parties said yes, kaitlan collins, a huge moment in american history and a remarkable shift in demeanor inside the court. jake, of course, as we watched, trump attorney kinda chatting with each other as they were for initially inside the courtroom, laughing, smiling. now when the judge got on the bench at about 4:30 and said that yes, there was indeed your demeanor, and that room, and trump grew quite serious. his son, eric trump, briefly walked out of the room and then return earned in a sitting behind him. i should note, eric trump is the only family member who was going to be in the courtroom when this

verdict is read, is basically entirely really locked down inside that room that was the plan all along. we can now hear helicopters circling overhead. is there also planning to increase security precautions because court officials and wanted to make sure that it didn't get crazy outside of the courthouse once it was announced that there was here a verdict in this case, our reporters inside the room say there's a few more court officers also in this room there's usually four or five standing as members of the public have been inside that courtroom just a few, but mainly reporters is well, they're now waiting for the jury to come in after six weeks now in its seventh week, where they have been hearing all this evidence. now deliberating for about ten to 11 hours, roughly inside that brumel so listening to juror instructions, yet again, i've got paula reid and kristen holmes here with me and paul. obviously, no one knows what this verdict is going to be, but they have spent the last 30 minutes so filling out the court forms that they're going to bring in there and read aloud inside that room. yeah. historic documents that they've just filled out.

>> both sides of this case. the prosecution and trump's defense attorneys have framed this as some form of election interference. trump has argued that this case was brought against him. it's about 8-years-old because they want to prevent him from getting into the white house. now well, we're gonna go back to jake as i understand it, because a verdict is going to get underway in just a moment all right. >> thank you so much. kaitlan collins, and we're all just trying to speculate here if this is a mixed verdict what might that mean? we still do not know, of course it could be 34 votes of not guilty. you could be 30 four votes of guilty. the jury is right now entering the courtroom to render their verdict on these 34 felony criminal charges against the present former president of the united states, donald john trump, and tim parlatore, you have represented president trump in the past. first of all, are you surprised that a verdict came? so i mean, to me, it seems very quickly we could i thought the weinstein

jury was out for six days. i'm not comparing the two, but that was another high-profile case. this was not even 12 hours, right? >> this is a very complicated case. i mean, i do think it's interesting that they told the judge that they have a verdict but then asked for additional time to fill out the form. >> you agree with karen's asked me i do and i also think that they did that because they would normally just say we have the verdict i haven't i haven't seen where they've asked for additional time, but i think they were looking at the clock and saying, hey, if we don't tell the judge now, he's going to send us home. >> we wanted the jurors and the jury and the jury alternates there are six alternates as well. >> all 18 of them are now in the courtroom. tim, please continue. i'm sorry. i think that they wanted to let the judge know. >> hey, don't don't don't discuss this further. let's get it done today. >> i'll tell you right now, this is the most stressful moment. >> and when they read this verdict the majority of defendants that i've represented at this moment, it's so pressurized they can't hear you're shut down

and especially when you have this many counts, you're going to have to have one of the lawyers taken it down and a complicated case, when they're done and they say this is the verdict. donald trump is going to turn to his lawyers and he's going to say what did they say? so the judge just turned to the jurors and said we received a note from you signed by your journey 34 person at 4:20 p.m. 420. >> here come the verdicts. we have the verdicts okay? count one is guilty, that a felony charge, gout one, falsifying business. red's account to also guilty falsifying business records in the first degree count three guilty falsifying business records in the first degree count for guilty. that's another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first-degree count five, guilty. that's another falsifying business records in the first-degree felony charge. those so that is five felony charges. that donald trump has

been found guilty by this new york jury. we still have 20 t9 other felony counts to go, but that is five guilty verdicts by this jury when it comes to when it comes to falsify felony charges of falsifying business records in the first degree in service of another crime and that crime would be covering up the stormy daniels hush money payment counts six, guilty. so that is six charges, count seven, guilty. that is another charge count eight. guilty. that is yet another charge. eight out of eight. he has been found guilty count nine, guilty so that is nine out of nine count ten, guilty. another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first degree count 11, guilty. another felony, charge of falsifying business records in the first degree count, 12th, guilty. another felony charge

of falsifying business records in the first degree, count 13, guilty. another felony charge of falsifying business records in the first degree, count 14 guilty count 15 guilty. that is 15 out of 15 so far count 16, donald trump found guilty. >> 16 out of 16. when it comes to falsifying business records. in the first count 17, guilty. that is from a july 2017 payments to michael cohen count 18, guilty. that is another felony charge. count 19, guilty. another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first degree. count 20, guilty. another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first-degree count 21, 212021, both guilty. this is for an august 2017 payment so is count 22 also guilty? counts 23 guilty. also guilty. donald trump found guilty of a falsifying business records in the first-degree count 24

guilty. another felony charge. count 25, guilty. another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first-degree count 26 guilty. another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first degree. count 27, guilty. another felony charge falsifying business records in the first degree, count 28, guilty. another felony charge, falsifying business records in the first first-degree, count 29, guilty felony, charge of falsifying business records in the first degree account 30. guilty felony charge, falsifying business records counts 31 guilty, falsifying business records in the first degree count 30 32, guilty. falsifying business records in the first degree. only two counts laughed count, 33 former president donald trump found guilty, falsifying business records. count 34 guilty donald trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first-degree, all 34, are felonies they

donald trump has now been convicted of 34 different felony crimes by a jury of his peers in manhattan, 34 felony charges for former president, president donald j. trump convicted of 34 felony charges, having to do with falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to stormy daniel's an unbelievable moment in american history they the jurors are now being asked about their agreement with these charges and they are responding. yes. trump has a frowned expression on his face as the verdict reading is completed he is not moving before the former president of the united states. now, a convicted felon, having been found guilty of 34 felony charges by a jury, of his peers in manhattan new york. >> the court officer is asked if either party wants the jury

polled. >> trump attorney todd blanche says, yes, this is when they go around and ask each juror if they agree with what has just been read by the foreperson, the jurors all have straight faces they are now being hold karen when they do this, do they ask each juror for each charge for each count or today's or would they simplify it and say to each of the 12 jurors, do you agree? he's you convict him on all 34 charges in this particular instance because it was a clean sweep of all 34 what the judge would do is he would say juror number one, you just heard that there was just a 34 count. all guilty. is that your verdict? and they would say yes, sir juror is being pulled right now. >> they all said yesterday, as it is, and then you're each going as you just said, karen, juror number one is this your conclusion? yes, it is. juror number two. is this your conclusion as it is and the altar, the alternate jurors, judge merchan, said we couldn't have done this without you. he thanks all of

the jurors very much for their service in this case. trump has luck turning to look over the jurors as they're being pulled the former president of the united states, donald j. trump, the presumptive republican presidential nominee. a convicted felon, 34 times over, found guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree by a jury of his peers. in manhattan minutes ago, anderson jake, as you said, it is a remarkable moment in american history. i'm here, kaitlan collins and cnn's paula reid, who have been covering this, obviously from the beginning the judge has said that he will meet privately with all the jurors just to thank them again, but that he cannot actually discuss any parts of the case with them. what happens now, poland? >> so this is going to be a long road even before this jury took their seats in that courtroom, the trump team was preparing their strategy for

appeal, and the first argument they're probably going to make is that they believe their client never would've been able to get a fair trial in manhattan. they tried to move this out of manhattan, arguing that he wouldn't get a fair shake and they've tried hi to rack up every possible objection already. attorney todd blanche, i lose for an acquittal of the charges, non less standing. the verdict, certainly something that any defense attorney would do in this circumstance, but they're thinking other you're playing a long game here and they're thinking of every possible objection. the strategy was described to me as death by 1,000 cuts and they've been racking up every objection, every possible cause institutional question that they could raise before an appeals court. so i guarantee you i'm told this will be a field and it's a long road. the appellate process, you know, caitlin was so interesting in the last 24 hours node, there had been some supporters of the former president who said they thought maybe there was a rogue juror or maybe there was a juror who seemed to smile at or look over at donald trump or lookup over at parts of the team are some of the acolytes, the politicians who were in the

room. they sense perhaps there would be one hold out. there wasn't a lot of hope among the trump team from all the reporting, reporting, and others that there would be an acquittal, but their hope was that there was some holdout juror and what a remarkable moment this is because donald trump himself always thinks that, he can somehow sway everyone. i mean, he always, that's why he says he wants often wants to testify in his own defense when he said when people when it suits with voters and for him to sit there and listen to all of these jurors and donald trump looked on as every juror confirmed that, yes. this was their finding that they did find him guilty on all 34 counts. it is remarkable, ended up itself and it's something that donald trump has never experienced before in his life. the idea that even he was holding out hope that some of these jurors would be on his side. some of these jurors would help deadlock this, or at least lead to an allen charge where they had to be told but the judge tried to come to a unanimous decision here is remarkable, and one thing i'll say is trump has been falsely claiming

that the jury did not have to come to a unanimous decision here they did have the come to a unanimous decision on all of the they did on all of these charges, they found him guilty on every single one. >> yes. says attorney is moving and saying that michael cohen without his testimony, jot donald trump would not have been found guilty on all accounts he is saying that the defense believes michael cohen committed perjury on the scan. those are all issues that they'll take up for this moment in and of itself for donald trump's trusted attorney and personal fixer for so many years, to have been at the center of this case that did ultimately lead to make hi he's in the middle of a presidential campaign, is completely uncharted territory, even for donald trump, even with the bravado that you'll see from him, the appeals that you'll see from his legal he did not want to be here and now he does find himself here. >> this is also now, don't from who, rightly would be proud of being a former president of the united states on his record forever in history, he is a convicted felon, of course, unless overturned on appeal or

somebody pardons him. trump attorney todd blanche asked for sentencing a date in late july. we should also note that george did not look at donald trump as they left the courtroom but every time i was in the courtroom, i assume you were in the courtroom to win we watched jurors come and go. i never saw jurors look at donald trump, i'm not sure if he did as well. trump is sitting at the defense table without moving. that's been the reporting now, all during this during the reading of the sentence, as the foreperson was reading, each guilty verdict said that he had a friend on his face, but that he was not moving jury of his peers. >> i should know that they will try to say, well, he would have never gotten a fair shake in new york, obviously, trump built his business in new york. he was defined as a new yorker, when he ran for president, even though he's a resident of florida, that's still how he's seen some of these jurors followed him on truth, social, some of them said they had no opinion of him at all. some of them, one of the jurors described them. she said she thought he was selfish, but they all said they could put their political beliefs aside

and listen to the evidence here. and clearly that is what they were doing because just this morning they were asking for headphones to listen to the evidence they wanted the judge to reread the instructions to them. it's clear how seriously they took this responsibility and these findings that they have come two ends. >> being and politics in the district attorney, alvin bragg, who brought this case, he would because in the courtroom for the verdict, when he brought this case, he gets four and president trump, there was a lot of scrutiny questions about whether he was bowing to political pressure right now, todd blanche talking about trump's other legal cases. he of course faces three other criminal prosecutions and he's arguing that trump's legal team needs to prepare for a three-day hearing in florida florida scheduled for late june, but they are related to the classified documents prosecution but this is this is validation of alvin bragg's decision to bring this year there's old cakes and historic case that among sentencing date is set for july 11th at 10:00 a.m. don't trump is leaving the courthouse courtroom.

let's watch when he went from hours ago in a room across where he's about to exit eating pizza, laughing with his team moments later to find out that he's been found guilty on all 34 counts. >> are you seeing meal built beauvais, their boss epshteyn, one of his top pfizer's that stephen shown whose back is to us. >> he's a campaign spokesperson alina habba, trump's other attorney. >> there clearly huddling. this is what they did the other day. when trump was about to come address the cameras, they saddle type the courtroom and kinda talked about it. >> it's prosecutors told the judge that there is no bail sentencing will be now in in july see if he donald trump and todd blanche are talking. >> that's jason hello. are you can see on the back with his glasses on and eric trump is the tall one right there deciding what he's going to say to the cameras it's interesting to hear the rhetoric that from his used against judge juan

merchan. >> four, i think anybody witnessing this inside the courtroom, he seemed to bend over backwards to try to be fair to all the parties in this, the trump team has to file any motions by june 13, the prosecution must respond by june 27 the judge certainly did evit the former president's now a convicted felon 34 times i'm about to address reporters this was a disgrace this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge was corrupt so rig trial that to disgrace it wouldn't give us a venue change. we were at 5% or 6%. and this district of this area this a rigged disgraceful trial.

>> the real verdict is going to be november 5th by the people and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here. >> you have a serous back, da and the whole thing. we didn't do anything wrong i'm a very innocent man. it's okay. i'm fighting for our country. i'm fighting for our constitution our country is big rig. write now. this was done by the biden administration in order to wound are hurt and opponent a political opponent. and i think it's just a disgrace so. >> keep fighting or fight til the end and what win? >> because our country has gone to hell we don't have the same country anymore. we haven't divided mess were nationhood declined serious to try millions and millions? the people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists. and they're taking over our country we have a

country that's in big trouble. but this was a rig decision right from day one with a conflicted judges should have never been allowed to try this case, never and we will fight for our constitution. this is mod from barbara. thank you very much dell trump not talking details of the case, but attacking as he has pretty much every day consistently and often late at night, the it's processed in the united states claiming that this is rigueur, that they shouldn't have been brought in. >> new york where his business is in fact located here with paula reid and kaitlan collins. i mean, this is again clearly he's turning this to politics into the campaign and trying to link this what he calls her rigged system to a rigged system that he hopes his voters believe in it. >> he has to now, right? because he's the republican nominee. and this is going to

be a factor of perhaps not a big one, perhaps not one that'll change the hearts and minds of voters. but this is something he is going to have to contend with at his framing is again, that this is all election interference. the same argument, the crossing peters made against him, right? he was trying to subvert democracy. that's how he's going to try to frame this to the american public to explain why he is now a convicted felon and what's remarkable is the sentencing for donald trump in this case is going to happen. that hearing four days before he will attend the republican national convention as the parties, he's presumptive republican nominee. now he will become the party's official nominee there. it's also when he's expected to announce who is going to be the vice presidential candidate. and it's remarkable that obviously so we've never been at this moment in history, but the fact that he will be at that convention four days after he is sentenced in this case, when we find out what the judge here, judge juan, were, sean who is attacked repeatedly as corrupt without any basis basis for that. it is a remarkable moment and where this election is headed, we don't know what

the political impacted this op, but the fact that he'll be sentenced as a convicted felon four days before the republican convention is something we've never seen before. >> daniel dale fact checker force. it is so where does daniel you heard what form president said there, what stood out to you? >> he made the false claim that he made before the trial, made almost every day during the trial and repeat it again now, after the trial, he said that this was all done by the biden administration, as i've said, i think on tv more than ten times at this point, there is not a shred of evidence that the button the striation did anything to bring this case two orchestrate this case to run this case, this was a case brought by a locally elected prosecutor, has a democrat manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. there is no sign that joe biden, his doj, his white house, had anything to do with it. now former president trump continues to to reference a former doj official under president biden, who went to work for de a bragg's team, there was no sign than anyone else had doj where the president himself had anything to do with that personal

employment decision. and then off-topic not not a focus today, he repeated his claim that people are pouring in over the border from mental institutions as caitlin has repeatedly noted, i've specifically asked the trump campaign for any evidence to corroborate that claim. they have provided zero nothing at all then you'll dale. >> thanks so much. you can hear helicopters now circling thank. above the location we are right outside the courthouse. obviously, this is something police in new york's or service and others and certainly been preparing for very carefully we're going to have continuing coverage throughout the day and throughout the evening right now is go back to jake tapper in washington jake. >> thank you, anderson. and for those wondering about the political consequences of these 34 guilty verdicts. the short answer is nobody has any idea, period. >> nobody has any idea what the effect will be. we do know that there has been holding information about how a guilty verdict might affect individuals but theoretical is obviously different from

actual. there was a new npr, pbs newshour marist poll released recently that suggested that any verdict in the hush money trial would be unlikely to have a major effect on most voters choice. it wouldn't impact for most people overall 67% of registered voters said a guilty verdict in the trial would not make a difference. 76% said the same thing about a not guilty verdict where there is significance, is in the margins because this is as far as we can tell right now, going to be a very close election in a handful of battleground states and a few people defecting from biden or trump could make the difference between winning the white house and losing the white house. and in the polls, a small share of people who support trump say that a guilty verdict would dissuade them from supporting trump in the marist poll, 7% of those who say they would vote for trump on the presidential race, say a

guilty verdict would make them less likely to back them and a quinnipiac poll six 6%, not a lot. and again, theoretical, this took place before the verdicts, 34 of them but it is suggestive. dana bash, that this could have an impact on some trump voters. >> it could. and i mean, just to reemphasize what you just said, we have no idea time we don't know, and it's one thing to sort of say beforehand. and it's another thing in the words of one of his allies who i talk to while they were up in new york on the air 34 is a big number just not not only on the his personal impact, but on the political impact, it just despite the bravado that we just heard from the former president, and we will continue to hear from him and his allies as they're statements are pouring in in support of him and echoing the witch-hunt greg and all the things that he claims, which daniel dale and

we should know speak, the speaker of the house, mike johnson, republican speaker of the house called today a shameful day in american history democrats cheered as they convicted the leader of the opposing party on ridiculous charges. predicated on the testimony of disbarred convicted felon. he goes on from there. but the point i think you're making is we're going to have in addition to the momentous snus of these 34 counts we're going to have months of that kind of rhetoric from very powerful republican officials throughout the country. let's go to kara scannell right now, who just come just came from inside the courtroom of this incredibly historic day, qarrah hey, jake. >> yeah. so we thought that this was ending at the end of the day without a verdict. and then the judge came back on the bench after saying he was going to excuse the jury. he returned at 4:36 saying the jury had another note. it was timestamped at 4:20 they had a verdict and they need an extra 30 minutes. the mood changed

entirely inside the courtroom. trump had been laughing with his lawyer, todd gland. they'd been talking a lot but he was smiling. it appeared they thought that the state was sending without a verdict. and then after the judge had read the head node, everything changed. he became very still he had his arms crossed folded across his chest it became a much different situation inside that courtroom. and the way waited for the jury to enter when they came in, they filed into the courtroom none of them looked over at donald trump. that is normal. they normally don't, but they all walk toward their seats, took their seats, and then the court's carrie officer asked them to read the verdicts to the foreman, stood up with a microphone and he was asked for each count if they had reached a verdict and what it was, and he went through all 34 counts saying guilty. then after that, the court security officer asked them if this was a unanimous verdict by all the jurors. they answered audibly in the courtroom saying that yes, it was the judge asked if

any of the parties wanted this individually pulled. todd blanche trump's lawyer said he did want the jurors individually pulled, so they went through each juror each of the 12 jurors, one-by-one, and they each confirm that their verdict on all 34 counts with guilty then the judge had thanked the jury for their service. he excused them and said that he wanted to talk to them afterwards, asking them to stick around for a little bit because he wanted to thank them individually for their service over these asked seven weeks of this trial since jury selection began. so they were waiting in the backroom for the judge to go and discuss with them. and then the judge sent the sentencing date for july 10th, 11th excuse me and then at that point, he said if there was nothing else, he was going to excuse them at this point. donald trump stands since up we can now finally get a good look at his face. his face was red. >> he looked upset. >> he had a frown on his face. and as he walked toward the well that separately great.

where he's sitting into the common area, the galley where the rest of us are, his son, eric trump is sitting in that first seat. and so donald trump reached out to him, shook his hand vigorous slate, and then as he's walking past him, eric trump padded his father on the back so kind of the most humane moment we've seen in this trial, this personal emotional interaction between the father and son as trump then walked down the center aisle of the courtroom and out into the hallway, were then he spoke to the cameras so it was certainly a historic moment and quite a dramatic moment coming very unexpected at the end of this day, which had looked like it was heading toward they're not being a verdict. so certainly a surprise to donald trump and his team. and something that they do not see coming based in the street change in their demeanor in a certainly a serious monk for trump or heat did look like he was upset with the outcome of the trial and gay qarrah tellus, if you would about the jurors, these 12

americans, 12 manhattan knights in addition to the six alternates who are asked to consider give up their lives for several weeks consider the very complicated case and charges came back fairly quickly with this unanimous guilty verdict of 34 guilty charges, making for the first time in the history of the united states a former president of the united states, a convicted felon when they were sitting there as the foreperson read the verdict when they were being pulled, each one of them, all 12, saying they agreed with the guilty verdict on all 34 counts. did they look at the defendant, the former president did they have any emotions on their face? you said earlier that the president was looking at them what were they doing with their faces when the when the foreperson was reading the verdict of the jurors, i'd say

half of them were looking straight down at the ground and others were looking at the job i didn't see any of them. >> look at donald trump and as you noted, he had craned his neck so he could look at them as they were being individually pulled one of them appeared to make any eye contact with him while they were sitting in the box throughout this whole of reading of the verdict, both when the foreperson read it, when they were individually pulled and when they left, so they did not appear to look at him at anytime entering or leaving the courtroom. and as he was watching them today, none of them appeared to look back at him. and this jury is all made up of new yorkers, but the foreperson is from ireland and immigrant here. there's a well-educated jury. there were a couple of lawyer there's on the jury. some other executives. so representative of new york in many ways, in a jury of trump's peers as he is a native new yorker himself. but there's appeared to be no emotion either displayed on the

faces of the jurors. they were all pretty straight face, no expression throughout. this whole process. and it is something that they knew coming into this, that this was going to be a significant historical trial. and throughout the trial none of them had betrayed any sense of what they thought of the evidence or how they were reacting to any of the witnesses. they've really kept straight faces. boston. they've had poker faces on this whole time. you really were not getting anything, any revelations from them throughout this trial, jake very wise, what at what about the judge juan were shawn, who has been attacked over and over by the defendant, former president trump, now a convicted felon by his allies in the media. >> what was his reaction? and also, if you saw any reaction of the defense attorneys or the prosecution, what what they did during this rather surreal

moment in american history now the judge had brought the jurors in. >> he seemed he's a soft-spoken man. and he was even soft-spoken when he came in and had said to them, initially, he came in and said, i'm going to excuse the jury at 4:30 today. i'll be right back and he left the bench. there's up 15 minutes left in the day he came back and it 436 and he said, i have a note. there is a verdict, but he has maintained this cool composure. the entire time. then when he brought the jurors in and what love are waiting in this period for the jury to come in. it is almost pin silent in that courtroom. i'm everyone being on edge, everyone waiting for the door to the right of the judge to open and for those jurors to walk in. there was no discussion amongst the part parties, as we are waiting in this moment then when the jury came in, the judge essentially hands it over to the court officer. he asked him initially at first have, your note, is this accurate? is this your

note that you have a verdict? the four-man confirms and then the judge hands it off to one of the court officers who does the individual verdict reading asking the foreperson at each time for count one, have you find and say guilty across all 34 of those counts? it was only after all of that was completed, the judge then thanked the jurors for their service, said he wanted to talk them, said he couldn't talk about the case, couldn't talk about the facts, but he just wanted to talk to them because he knew that they had sacrificed it's a lot to be members of this jury hearing evidence for the past six weeks in what is undoubtedly a very high profile case. and these jurors know that they know where they are, they know the attention on this as you'll remember from jury selection, there was a lot of attention on whether jurors felt that they were being to expose it's by the idea that people knew that they were here for jury duty. so he wanted to take the jury back to meet with them. now this jury has been essentially anonymous, only the lawyers have known their names. even

the foreperson since finding the verdict sheep was just supposed to sign with his juror number, and that was the judge had done that at a protection for this jury. so we do not not know if any of them are going to speak. the judge told them that all of the restrictions it has placed on them have been lifted, that they are able to speak if they want to. but he also told them that they don't have to speak if they don't want to now, also, i would say the prosecution as is pretty typical, they kept straight faces throughout the reading of the verdict and they left the room without saying anything or showing any emotion all right thank you so much, kara scannell unbelievable de in that rather shabby courtroom in the new york city courthouse the white house has generally been avoiding commenting on that on this case, but that has seemed to change in the last few days. >> the biden-harris campaign sent robert de niro and two of the police officers who were attacked on january 6 to manhattan to talk about the case and let's go to kayla

tausche, who is out outside the white house on the north lawn right now because we are now getting our first reaction, if not from the white house cell, from the biden harris campaign, what do they have to say? kayla? >> well, jake, the statement is from communications director michael tyler and it says in part in new york today we saw that no one is above the law. donald trump has always mistakenly believed he would never face consequences for breaking the law on his own personal gain. but today's verdict does not change the fact that the american people faced a simple reality. there is still only one way to keep down on trump out of the oval office at the ballot box, convicted felon or not, trump will be the republican nominee for president. the statement goes on to allude to the chaos that the campaign leaves. would ensue if trump were reelected, saying the american people will reject it. this november. of course, we just heard the former president say that the people will be the final deciders here and that november 5, when this case ends and it is in his words, long from over

now it's unclear exactly when or even whether we would hear from president biden responding directly to the fact that his predecessor is found guilty on 34 felony counts throughout the week. needs were non-committal about whether the president would weigh in personally, alluding to very complicated schedule that he has, as well as the fact that today in particular, is a somber day for the biden family. they are in delaware where they're remembering beau biden, the president son who died nine years ago today at age 46. it's de, that the family usually spends out of the public eye and to that end, the white house called a lid 9:53 a.m. earlier today, that means that we were not expecting to see the president in public. again, of course history could change things jr. kayla tausche thank you so much. and let us consider this moment. a rather significant one in american history for the first time ever, a former us president is now a convicted felon, found guilty by a jury of his peers

of 34 felony counts of falsifying in business records. some questions that some of you might have. can a convicted felon run for president? the answer is yes, i can a convicted felon serve as president? the answer is yes. can a convicted felon vote for himself or herself? four president? >> the answer is it depends on the state, but in florida, where donald trump lives, former president trump lives, they tend to defer to the state where the conviction takes place. >> and that is new york. and felons are able to vote in new york if they are out of prison so those are some of the questions now, i have questions i'm karen? let me start with you, which is what exactly is going on in that courthouse right now. we know sentencing is going to be july 11, which just happens to be within a week of the beginning of the republican national convention for those keeping tabs on the overlap of this case and the political realities in which we live. what are they doing right

now, or the jurors getting out of dodge? there? i saw something the screen saying something about no bail and i know that this meant like they weren't even thinking about requiring the president to need to put a bail or anything like that. he is he is a free man, of course, but tell us about what's going on behind this teams. so there's a couple of things going on behind the scenes right now. first of all, security, there's a whole security protocol that is making sure that everybody including trump supporters are behaving and including people who wanted the former president convicted that there is we're going to become, and that everybody is. okay. so that's going on in the jurors are also being protected and their anonymity is being protected. so they're going to continue to be driven back home, taken back to the place that they essentially came from so that they can remain anonymous as long as they choose to 21 more thing just to also keep in mind the gag order is still in

effect, which i thought was really interesting that todd blanche didn't request judge marsha now that the trial is over, now that the jury is excused, that the gag order be lifted, which means just to remind people sorry to interrupt. but the judge issued a gag order saying that donald trump could not talk publicly about the jurors or the witnesses, or members of the family of the judge or the prosecution team. but the judge on the prosecution team themselves were completely fair game rhetorically, go ahead. i'm sorry. and then in the da's office, i just saw they're about to hold a press conference at 6:30 i think alvin bragg is going to speak, so they're preparing what they're going to say and how they're going to address this and they are going to i guess tell everybody what, what this means on behalf of the manhattan da's office. >> so i think everybody is doing their various their various jobs right now and collecting themselves because this is such a big deal and i also think the da's office is

going to start thinking about sense sentencing. >> let's talk. you should think about, let's, let's talk about that now with this side of the table, because i believe that the judge gets to decide the sentencing, not the jury. is that is that standard? is that how it always sometimes the the jury never designs instance like this? >> no, that's not going to happen. and remember, we know that in fact, remember what happened during the closing arguments and todd blanche made the reference to prison. the judge was quite clear, even giving a curative instruction the jury to say, your job is a factfinder. my job is to actually sentence and the sentence itself could be a maximum for all charges of 20 years, up to four for each count. but the maximum of 20 years, this is a first-time nonviolent criminal offender, though. and so the likelihood of him serving hard prison time is pretty slim, but it does not remove the stain of now being a 34 times felon. and to your point about being a felon and being from florida, there is a

great irony in this instance that he would, if he were in florida, be asking people to vote for him and he could not do that because it's a crime involving dishonesty and fraud. it's considered under the umbrella of moral term for two, which means that even after you complete your entire sentence, you'd still have to appeal to the governor of that state if he addressed convicted in florida had been in florida and so this irony of the governor or tennis even having to weigh in prospectively. >> so let me let me ask elie how does this work? the sentencing because first of all, obviously donald trump for former president trump and his legal team are going to appeal. and we've discussed already the grounds for appeal and the arguments that he might bring up for appeal. and there are many beyond that though he can't appeal and told the sentencing right? right. >> and how is that decision made judge, marsha, i'm just go to his chambers and emerge like moses with tablets or are there arguments that are going to be made by donald trump's attorneys, by the prosecutor. >> there will be intensive investigation arguments between now i love look one. yeah, we

will get public filings where the de will ask the judge to impose whatever sentences they think is appropriate. donald trump's team will put in their requests certainly for a non incarceratory, non prison sentence. and let me address the question that i imagine is on a lot of people's minds, which is how likely is it the judge merchan imposes a sentence of prison. now? this is a class e felony in new york state. you have class a is the most serious felony. class e is just to interrupt for one second. we see the former president there and his team getting into their motorcade of suv's to return to his home on this unbelievably historic de no doubt he is angry, no doubt he is sad to a degree dejected. kara scannell talked about a moment where he reached over and shook his son's hand. his son patted him on the back whether you think this was the right verdict or not. it is one that weighs heavily on any defendants emotions and this is

a former president of the united states. i'm sorry, i'll go ahead. >> if we look at the universe of class ii convictions in new york state and several good researchers out there have done surveys over the last year or so generally the estimates are that somewhere between 70 and 90% of class ii new york convictions result in non prison sentences. so that would be some combination of probation, fines, perhaps community service, but the converse of that ten to 30 ish percent do result in prison time. and this will be entirely up to judge judge is there a difference? are the ten to 30% that are sentenced to prison for class ii felonies individuals with worse lawyers are there individuals with with with we a previous criminal records like dana says, i mean, is there any sort of delineation? so i'll give you what the relevant factors usually would be in a case like like this. first of all, how big was the effect, how major was the offense? it's a big difference to steal $5 million versus $100,000. was this person a first-time offender or

are they on their second, third, fourth conviction? yeah. quality of lawyering can absolutely play into it, but this is the most difficult thing that judges do. i mean, you talked to any judge that will tell you the hardest part of their job is imposing a sentence. and one other thing i just want to make very clear if donald trump does get a prison sentence imposed on him on july 11th, odds are very, very high. he will not have to start serving thterit away because in a case like this, he's very likely to get what we call bail pending appeal, meaning he will almost certainly not have to be again, serving any sentence until after all of his appeals are done. that would certainly take us out, past the november. >> he could be out on bail yes, he will. >> in all likelihood, in november, be he will have been sentenced on in july. and the sentence will not actually be imposed until his appeals are done, which will take us well into 20. >> so the appeal process, just to be clear here, so the appeal process which will kick in the very moment after sentencing, right. i mean, the trump legal team already has those briefs ready to go they're going to peel every single one, every

single avenue. they can all the way up to the us supreme court. i would imagine that will take months and months, if not years, potentially. so donald trump has won appeal as of right to the mid-level new york court, the court of appeals for new york, which is the middle level if he loses their he can ask the top court in the state of new york, which is actually called the court of appeals. >> that nomenclature, it gets confusing. he can ask them to take the case. they don't have to though that's the same as our us supreme court. they can take it if they want to. they don't have two and then from there he can try to get it up. >> we're watching by the way, just the the motorcade of the former president leaving the courthouse on its way to trump tower. several cars. you see supporters of the former president with trump flags in the streets and it is an area that where there is a lot of security. so there does not appear to be huge crowd for blocks and blocks and blocks. it's also a large, tall, a

capital d democratic city by enlarge anderson jake, thanks very much. one side of three, you see some trump flags gather. i saw a couple of one finger solutes there as well, but the the former president now making his way back, assumed to trump tower it's just remarkable. >> i mean, this is typically drive he's obviously been making every day after he's left court, you saw i'm getting in the motorcade. there. the last person i saw chunk top speaking due before he got in was steve witkoff. it was a donor. he's been here almost every single day of court from from what i've seen i've been inside the room and now he is making this drive back to trump tower the first time he's done so as a convicted felon, typically he uses this time in the garden call allies friends of his remarkable to think of the people who will be on the receiving end of that call. and this ride, i should note obviously this conviction is landing in the middle of a presidential campaign we just talked about the sentencing happening four days before the republican convention and the

white house is actually just responded. they don't typically weigh in on any of this, but they had made a plan to say something once this happened from a white house spokesperson and sam's from the counsel's office. he said, quote, we respect the rule of law and we have no additional common but obviously this is going to be something that the president biden himself will be asked about. it's just so interesting to watch this small motorcade moving through the streets of new york i just drove down through these very same streets. >> i mean, people going about their lives. this is not he'd been deal in the city of new york. i mean, there were several hundred people waiting outside today but i'm i literally ran down these streets about 30 minutes ago and they are packed with people out chopping, packed with people out doing their business. >> yeah. from work most people in america going on with their lives, of course, manhattan is rarely phase by anything, but also connects to the jury. remember when we first started

this case, we were concerned that the people who are called to serve on this jury, my bag off, might try to step down for fear of what they could face them or their families as a result of their participants patient in this trial. and we did not see after the jury was seated, we did not see one juror advocate their responsibility or choose to remove themselves from the situation. and again, i think that also speaks to manhattan nights. they understood what they were getting into and they were up for this assignment. >> we have not heard obviously, from any jurors. judge merchan had has instructed them they can speak out if they want to. they can also remain quiet if they want onto the choice is up to them, obviously, to be a lot of interests and what they have to say. but for all the pretrial talk about the complexity of this novel charge, the difficult guilty of perhaps understanding what crime was committed, or maybe there'd be a disagreement of a web. particular crime was committed and arguments over the judge there's instructions

to the jury. did that make it easier for them to find him guilty verdict that they didn't all have to agree on the exact same criminal count charge or criminal activity they were able to make this very quickly. >> yeah, it's really i talking actually to those of us who are, who are you're waiting for the verdict that they were able to do this so quickly because even those of us who have watched it have had questions clearly the jury had additional questions about their instructions about count one and obviously it comes to the great risk for any of these jurors to speak out, but it would be fascinating for history for the record to know how these deliberations preceded if there were holdouts that they had to be personal sweden and how clear the assignment was to them, that would really be i think a really significant thing. yeah. kristen holmes is joining us as well, chris and i mean, do the jurors had requested good the judge's instructions be re-read to them to exactly here. again, the instructions from him. they also wanted the

details of that meeting in 2015 that took place at trump tower between david pecker, michael cohen, and donald trump. >> that was the original meeting to kind of talk about being the eyes and ears of the campaign. >> those are phrased to david pecker had used by his testimony in that meeting it was a meeting we'd learned during the trial called by trump and michael cohen in order to reach out to david pecker to find out what he could do for his campaign to become president yeah. >> and clearly, after the jury really looked at all of that evidence, they came to the conclusion that trump was guilty on all counts. now i am told that trump live id. now, we were told by senior advisers, but people around them, allies and who's calling them late at night at trump tower, that he was saying that he thought it was likely that you would be convicted blaming the fact that the jury was based in manhattan saying that most men out and i taught a left or liberal leaning tint.

so he thought that might happen. but when it comes down to actually happen the name donald trump has tended to believe that he is teflon, that nothing can actually stick to him. so this did come as a shock to his team, particularly given the day they had they had told me that they were getting ready to leave, that there was no verdict that trump was going to come out to the cameras right after they were dismissed, and then they were going to head back to trump tower expecting another de of deliberations now, i do want to talk about something involving that sentencing that caitlin mentioned and the convention. one other things that was slightly overlooked was the fact that todd blanche actually asked for a late the, lie sentencing date that is notable because that would have been after the republican convention, donald trump's de and has been incredibly concerned about this trial around the convention when they were using their delayed, delay, delay tactics. one of his senior advisers told me that they were worried about pushing this too far and that the trial would but up against convention. now, you're seeing todd blanche asking for this to be after the convention and instead, he is going to be sentenced just days before he

officially becomes the republican nominee for president. and while it is incredibly historic that he is the first former president to be convicted in a criminal trial. it is also historic that he will be the republican nominee. being sentence just days before. and not only that, despite all of his legal peril currently at this time, he is still resonating in the polls. his team tells me that because of the messaging that we heard from him today, the election interference, the linking this to former are current president joe biden, that they believe that this isn't going to impact him in november, but i want to be clear that they also know that we are in uncharted territory and anything could happen. they have absolutely no clue how this actually plays out when voters go to the ballot box and also how it plays out in the messaging of donald trump moving forward. >> he's had a sort of brother post-apocalyptic view of the country. will that increase? we

certainly heard some of that after the, after the yeah the verdict today, christian, we'll check back in with you back here with paula reid and kaitlan collins. i understand. paul, that michael cohen has released a statement. >> yeah, michael cohen obviously key witness in this case is just released a statement and he said, quote today is an important day for accountability and the rule of law. well, it has been a difficult journey for me and my family. the truth always matters thank my attorneys, danya perry industrial called for their invaluable guidance and support throughout this process. and in many ways, while trump was right, the one who is the defendant here, michael cohen was also certainly being scrutinized by this jury because his testimony was critical as the only person who could really directly link the defendant to this alleged conspiracy. and trump's defense attorneys they did their best to try to just destroy any credibility that michael cohen had. that really was the defense the cross-examination of michael cohen undercutting his credibility highlighting his criminal record, a. highlighting his disdain for

the defendant, the fact that he's profiting off of it but at the end of the de the jury appears to not have been swayed by those arguments, and it appears that they believe that michael cohen corroborated by additional evidence was credible enough to convicted. again, this underscores why it would be helpful for history to hear from some of these jurors, even if they're anonymous, to understand how they perceive michael cohen and because even admitted to stealing from the trump organization. at one point, it was really just in unprecedented kind of appearance on the witness stand. it would be fascinating to know how the jury three metabolized everything they heard from the importance of david pecker. i mean, the fact that he was the first witness called by the prosecution, they clearly view good him as essential to kind of setting the stage for all of us. >> those are the two witnesses whose testimony clearly mattered to the jury. we can only speculate when they were asked sending those notes and asking to be read back their testimony hours ago, but but last night, the indication was that it wasn't a good sign for

the defense because it wasn't about the checks. it wasn't a about the invoices they wanted to hear the testimony about specifically that meeting at trump tower in 2015, that now fateful meeting where it was trump and cohen asking how david pecker could help donald trump's campaign. now as he is in his third run for the white house, david pecker and michael cohen's testimony about that meeting at trump tower where it was just the three of them, hope hicks in and out of the meeting that is clearly something that was very pivotal to this jury because they wanted to hear the accounts of david pecker of that meeting. and from michael cohen of that meeting. and what was the underlying factor of it was that it was done to influence the 2016 election and the outcome of that. these are also two fingers who have known donald trump, michael cohen for over two decades now, and david pecker for several decades. >> two different distinctly figures. >> david pecker wanted donald i'm trying to be president, still views him in a favorable light which was made clear on the witness stand. michael

cohen obviously is that he wanted to see trump held accountable. we saw what he said his podcast and it was those two figures whose testimony was the one of the last things that jury heard this morning before they made this pivotal to todd blanche, it's been a lot of time trying to knock down the importance of that meeting in 2015, essentially saying, well, david pecker never use the term catch and kill, though, obviously, when the testimony he was read back to the jury they would have heard he may not have used that phrase, catch and kill, but he did talk about catching and killing stories as being one of the services he could offer to then candidate trump it's a great point because it his closing argument, todd blanche spent a lot of time trying to debunk the idea that this was all done as part of a conspiracy to influence the election that point, it was pretty clear that that was actually something that prosecutors had establish beyond a reasonable doubt. and a lot of the questions lingered on trump's involvement in the actual falsified business records. so in hindsight, it's not clear that that was the highest best use of the closing argument to spend so much time

on something that was clearly pretty well established in large part to your point by david pecker, the first witness out of the box. clearly someone that they believed prosecutors believed was the perfect person to present their case. we initially present their case with because he was so credible, he doesn't have an ax to grind. yes. this was a long time ago, but he seemed to have a pretty decent memory. and again, no bill numeral dog in this fight? all right. and the jury apparently found him quite credible and you know what i'm thinking about right now is obviously there's a lot of unknowns, but also all of the major republican figures that we've spoken to who have said whether or not they would still vote for donald trump, even if he's a convicted felon people like chris sununu, bill barr, and others remember if the first republican primary debate that we're all asked if they would still vote for the party's nominee, even if he was a convicted felon, he or she esa hutchinson and chris christie were the only two who did not raise their hands and said they would this is going to be the next major question for all of those figures. now that some of them had already prefaced that they would still vote for it because they they

questioned that algorithm, this verdict, whatever it was