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situation room much more fallout of donald trump's convictions among wolf's guess, trump's niece, mary trump, appeared weekend happening now, donald trump is raging after his historic criminal conviction condemning it as a scam and promising an appeal and rambling remarks filled with grievances and a flurry of false claims. >> we're looking at the road ahead for the former president and his campaign to return to the white house. also tonight, top republicans are rushing to trump's defense with house speaker mike johnson, taking it to a whole new level. the us supreme court should step in. >> all of this as the gop standard bearers facing new restrictions as a convicted felon will take a closer look. >> what trump can and can't do in the days, weeks, and possibly even years ahead welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer a

year in this situation room our top story tonight, donald trump defined, as he begins to fall hi, this felony conviction in court and in the court of public opinion as well seen as kristen holmes is outside the trump tower in new york city where the former president spoke out and lashed out earlier today, kristen, what does trump say about the verdict with a lot of ranting, a lot of airing of grievance since there isn't a lot of what we have heard before essentially saying that this was election interference of this was driven by democrats. >> of course, we know that this, there's no evidence that this was driven by. do both in an or democrats or had anything to do with the election. it was brought by new york state, the case floors. but that didn't stop them and it didn't stop his team from encouraging him to, you this messaging, take a listen to what he said it was a rigged trial. >> we wanted a venue change

where we could have a fair trial we didn't get it. we wanted a judge change. we wanted to judge. it wasn't conflicted and obviously he didn't do that there's nobody's ever seen anything like it i used to continue to listen to this kind of messaging because donald trump's campaign right now. >> thanks. it is working for them i think it is riling up the base. it is galvanizing republicans around them and they think it is helping financially as well. the campaign announcing that they raised pretty 4.8 million since that verdict came out. and of course, we cannot confirm those numbers until we see the fec reports, but they say the money is going to keep coming in. now, we also heard from donald trump's rival president joe biden, who seem to take on donald trump and his comments directly reckless dangerous. it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just

because they don't like the verdict. justice and should be respected we, should. never allow anyone to tear it down remember, we have just over five months until that alexa november and now we are seeing boats trump and biden, looking that way. >> they are trying to get the voters to cap their own judgment to determine who is going to go to the white house come november. >> but one other piece the reporting i just received that i'm trying to ide that. i believe we should get out there because there's been a lot of conversation around where some of donald trump's family was during his trial jared and ivanka, his daughter, as well as his wife, melania's son, barron, none of them attended any single day of that criminal hush money trial. i was told that they were all here at trump tower earlier today to lend support to donald trump. none of them came to the press conference. it wasn't really press conference. it was for just remarks. but they were all there. another source telling me that this kind of reporting

that they have distanced themselves from the former president is just simply not true. >> wealth. >> grossman homes outside trump tower in new york for us, kristen, thank you. i want to bring in cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid right now. paul, i understand you have some new reporting about the trump team's strategy for his upcoming sentencing? >> that's right. well, because that sentencing is scheduled on july 11, just days before the republican national convention in around the time he was expected to announce his running mate. so asked if they're going to move to push that date back about six weeks out from the verdict, which is pretty average here in manhattan. and i was told they're not sure because there are some in trump world what to believe there's a political advantage to being sentenced so close to the convention that something like that could help them as they continue to try to frame the former president as a martyr, being persecuted by an unfair justice system now there are others who believe that yeah, they probably should push it back. as legal team is busy with another criminal case down in florida in the weeks leading

up to that sentencing date, what are the next few days it will be meetings and discussions about this, but wolfe, i want to note this marks a turn because historically when i've talked about things specifically related to this case, the primary consideration has been a legal one, not a political one, but it appears as they go deeper into the campaign season, all of these additional dates, potential appeals will be seen through a political prison paula how is the trump team factoring in the judge's gag order against trump just ahead of the upcoming sentencing so there's some questions about why todd blanche didn't move to lift the gag order after the verdict, but the trump team notes that on wednesday, they filed in a motion for expedited review of the gag order that they have been aggressively litigating against since it was imposed. now that is still in progress. there's no plan to do anything else right now. but as the gag order is still active, any potential gag order violations can be considered at sentencing. and today, during that press event that he held,

this was something that everyone was looking for and he did attack at least one person who is covered by the gag order. let's take a listen to what he said about michael cohen now i'm not allowed to use his day because of the gag order. but you know, he's just sleazebags everybody knows that took me a while to find out but he was effective. he did work but he wasn't a fixture. he was a lawyer michael cohen because he was a witness, vq witness in this case. >> he is protected by the gag order. but what's been interesting is judge juan merchan, when he does reviewed what prosecutors have said or violations of this gag order, he has let a few words against michael cohen's sort of slow by arguing that trump does have a right to punch back and just moments after trump made those comments, cohen came out and attacked him. so it's unclear if this will actually be considered a violation of the gag order, but notable that trump did not violate the gag order in any other way that has been recognized and imposed for

fines by the judge? and we'll see how all of this impacts his sentencing, right now scheduled for early july. july 11, just a few days before the republican national convention. alright, paula, thank you very much. i want to bring in our political and legal experts right now, including karen friedman, agnifilo, who's of council for a firm that represents michael cohen, but she doesn't work on that case. and there are no restrictions on what you can say about the trump case. elie honig is with us as well. let me start with you. triple the sentences. we all know july 11 by the judge. what's the likelihood, the possibility that he could wind up in jail? >> this is gonna be a really close call, whether judge merchan sentences donald trump to any jail time. now, if we look at the universe of cases of new york defendants convicted of the same crime here, falsification of business records, which is a class e felony. it's the lowest in terms of seriousness, a through e. the healthy majority somewhere in the range of 70 to 90% of those defendants get non-prison sentences. so that would mean probation fines,

potentially community service. however, further arguments that i think we'll probably hear from the prosecutor's about why trump is different, why his conduct is more serious, that he has not shown remorse, that he chose to go to trial, that he has lashed out against the judge and others. it's going to come down to judge mug shots decision. one thing that's really important, even if he does get sentenced to prison, he will almost certainly be given bail pending appeal, meaning he wouldn't have to serve that sentence until his appeals are done, which would certainly be after the 2024 election. >> interesting. that he is elderly. that's a factor whenever a judge's sentencing someone and doesn't have a criminal record. and this was not a violent crime. all of those things i think will be arguments made by the defense for sure. >> this is going to be the judge's discretion, and it's a tough task. he's going to although trump, today's said he doesn't feel elder all right. >> it depends on your definition of them. >> are karen. >> let me get your thoughts. if you were the prosecutor in this case, would you seek jail time against trump? >> i think i would likely seek weekends in jail because i

don't think that would be a hardship in terms of his obligations as a candidate for office. but i also think given the fact that he has so willfully violated the gag order and was held in contempt ten times by the judge i also think that the jury in this case had to find unanimously that this was about election interference. and so that really escalates this from just a falsification of business records case to one where he tried to the jury unanimously found that he tried to interfere with the presidential election i think given those aggravating circumstances and how serious this case is, i would try to seek probably weekends in jail. that's what i think. >> and maybe some community service, like picking up trash in the subway yeah let's see if that happens. a bill brennan, your former trump attorney, do you think jail time would be appropriate? what sort of sentence do you expect i think

it'll be a sentence of non incarceration, wolf the benchmark four sentencing is set by the federal government. >> they look at in 183553, which governs sentencing the seriousness of the offense, the nature and circumstances of the offense itself, the nature and circumstances of the offender the need to avoid unwanted parody of sentences they want similarly situated people to be sentenced the same way and the potential for re-offending and rehabilitation and then elie said 70 to 90% of these types of cases are not incarceration. 77-year-old defendant with no criminal record. very unlikely to re-offend. and in his lifetime and when you. factor into this the lifetime secret service protection, it just may be onerous even if it's a close

call for judge merchan. so i think that it'll probably be a sentence of probation gloria, if trump were eventually given some sort of prison time, do you think that potentially could help him? >> politically? >> you know, it's it's hard to say we've, we've we've seen all of this helped donald trump politically again, we don't know what this conviction is going to do. it's too early to say. i think if he were given prison time, even people who agreed with the sentence and the jury might say, wait a minute, that's going a little far because he's a first-time offender. the guy is a former president, et cetera, et cetera. so i think it could it could it could potentially help him. but by the way, i don't think it's anything donald trump would ever want i mean, even if it could help him politically, this is not a man who sees himself in any way, shape, or form being incarcerated, he could barely stay in the courtroom for the trial. i mean, i just don't i just don't see him dealing well with that.

>> you're right on that front day. ellie we're watching all of this very closely and a lot of other people are watching it as well, including the house speaker, mike johnson, who, who actually said today, he thinks this potentially could go before the united state supreme court. listen to this i do believe this supreme court should step in obviously this is totally unprecedented and it's dangerous to our system. >> i think that the justices on the court, i know many of them personally. i think they're deeply concerned about that as we are. so i think they'll set this straight, but it's going to take a while. >> welcome that actually entail. so the supreme court can't and won't quote, step in. they're not just going to step in. now at this point, if we are to get to the supreme court, we are several steps away from that, and it's not certain they would take it. so let's just walk through real quickly the structure here. donald trump was just convicted in the new york state trial court, which may be somewhat confusingly is called the new york supreme court. that's the bottom adam layer you see here, he has an automatic right to appeal to the middle layer, the new york appellate division, if

he loses their he can then ask the top court in the state of new york, which is called the new york court of appeals, to take the case. they don't have to when he's done with his new york appeals, then he can ask and only then can he ask the us supreme greene court to take the case and they don't have to take any case either. it's up to them. they take a very small minority, mid to low single-digits of all cases presented to them. so maybe it ends up at the supreme court, but we are a long way away from that. >> can i ask when did the house speaker become a spoken? it's meant for the supreme court. i mean, he said he's spoken to people on the supreme court. i'm just wondering what kind of conversations was he having with people on the supreme court who've got to decide the question of presidential immunity about what occurred bird yeah, in this state court, i mean, it seems completely inappropriate. >> i think he's be very careful that we have separate branches of government and there should not be any substantive conversation of potential cases at all. >> yeah, bill, do you think it's at all realistic that all of this could wind up before the us supreme court i really

don't. >> i think ellie's graphic and his explanation are right on point and unlike other cases, the former president is facing january 6 related issues of presidential documents and classified hi documents, immunity issues, which are all ripe for federal review. this is the new york state class e felony, about records keeping. i mean, it's the lowest it's really a misdemeanor on steroids, but it is in fact a felony. this is a matter that is going to be resolved inside the state of new york. and i don't see a compelling federal issue that would interest the us supreme court into granting certiorari. i just i don't see it karen, as you know where trump earlier today lashed out at michael cohen, his former fixer and lawyer. are you actually spoke with michael cohen earlier today for your podcast? what did he tell you? >> yeah, so i launched a new

podcast called mistrial and my ss trial we've done up with danya perry, who is who is my work with her in her law firm, and she is michael cohen's lawyer and former house representative house member kathleen rice and we spoke the three of us spoke to michael cohen today and it was the first time i've ever spoken to him. i wanted to be a very bright line and not have any contact with him up until today. and i was struck by the fact that he, you know, he talked a lot about how solitary confinement when he did time for the crimes that he did that he had to suffer and had to suffer the consequences of for what he did with donald trump, what solitary confinement did to him. and he said it really broke him and really broken his soul. and the humanity of him and his family that stuck by him. i was really an interesting conversation. i urge everyone to to watch it. >> all right, guys. thank you

very, very much. thanks to all of you coming up. donald trump's niece, mary trump, is joining us live. this hour to react to the guilty verdict against her uncle plus the newest lit this tested trump's republican party. how gop lawmakers are rushing to defend trump and who they're going after in the process. stay with us you're in this situation room in one of the most active 22 seasons. you can't control a tornado. what kinds of interventions? chen's can we design go inside the store. >> the premiere of london earth with liev schreiber, sunday at nine on cnn this country has never been so divided. >> are you with licorice lover or haider? we had licorice.com have 50 plus gourmet flavors that you flip out over, get some for yourself or licorice labouring your life. licorice lovers unite at licorice licorice.com. >> the all new temper poetic adapt mattress was designed to help me aches and pains. a thing of the past because only temper material eases your

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donald never in a million years thought that this could happen to him. and understandably so this is somebody who has lived his life with total impunity and for finally to come for accountability, finally to come after almost eight decades, must have taken a wind out of them as you know, trump's daughter, ivanka, your cousin, posted a picture or after the verdict came down saying, i'm quoting her now, i love you. >> dad were showing a picture on the screen right now and a source tells cnn that ivanka her husband, jared kushner, and melania trump, and baron trump for that matter, we're at over a trump tower today, despite not attending the actual trial, what do you make of this? >> i think that like all of donalds relationships, even his relationship with his children, is transactional and that goes both ways. and i think of anca

made very clear that she doesn't get enough out of this relationship anymore. she's barely been heard from month she could not be bothered to show up at the trial, which is really when you would want to be supporting somebody, right? not after it's over so i think it's way too little too late but that clearly is where they've landed in their relationship at this point. >> you're told i see an colleague, gabby philip you think trump should should go to jail. do you think that would energize his supporters even more i think it's a possibility, but i also believe that it's relevant to the decision justice marshall mix these are decisions that need to be made within the context of the trial of the jury's findings and if it energizes the space, anything would energize if he gets any punishment whatsoever, it will energize the base and what i find fascinating is that we

never asked the other question what will they do to the rest of us who believe in the rule of law if he's not punished appropriately. so whether or not he is imprisoned, i think it's less likely than likely but i do believe that this is a very serious crime. we're talking about 34 criminal we'll charges he's a convicted felon and whatever the punishment is, it does need to be appropriate to the severity of the crime. seek a minute i'm thursday, as you know, in a very different legal case in new york court of appeals ruled that trump can sue you over your role as a source for the new york times investigation. >> trump argues you broke a confidentiality agreement. what do you know about this i don't know too much except i disagree. >> of course, with the court's decision but we're going to see how it plays out i guess the

next step if if we can come to a meeting of the minds, would be depositions and donald, as the decide if it's worth his while. i do not believe that he would be able to get the penalty. he's seeking, which last slide chuck was something like $100 million so i'm not worried about it, but i do believe that this is something that should have been put to better long time ago. >> now you're trump. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it very much thank you up next, the battle lines being drawn up on capitol hill republicans rushing to defend donald trump and now taking steps to go after the manhattan district attorney in present when a biden will have a live report on that, i've talked with conservative lawyer george conway russia were trying to spy on us we were spying on them saudi friday this is a

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doc? powering progress i'm mj lee at the white house, and this is cnn the chorus of republicans kid dominik, donald trump's conviction is growing tonight, even as former vice president, sometime critic mike pence, is calling the verdict and outrage but undermines the us justice system. >> many gop lawmakers are rallying to trump's defense as well are congressional correspondent lauren fox is getting new reaction right? now. learn what work can you tell us about the gop reaction? >> yeah, wolffian rallying around former president donald for many of these republicans are undermining the integrity he of americans justice system saying that this was a sham, saying that this was unfair, saying that donald trump is just being demonized because he is a republican. here's some of that reaction but under joe biden the weaponization of the justice system has become front

and center in this selection cannot say that this trial was anything more than politics, masquerading as justice. >> i do not think it was a fair trial at all. >> its entire thing is absurd. this is a purely political exercise, not a legal one, and everybody knows that they know intuitively that it's wrong and minority leader mitch mcconnell in the senate, someone who has had an ic and distant relationship from former president trump. >> he even tweeted last night, quote these charges never should have been brought in the first place. i expect the conviction to be overturned on appeal. you saw people who are vying to be the republican leader in the senate. both john cornyn and senator john thune putting out statements rather quickly after this announcement came down yesterday of the verdict but it's not just strongly worded statements that we're seeing from capitol hill. this morning, jim jordan announced that he is requesting than alvin bragg testify before his committee on june 13, and a

group of conservative senators led by senator mike lee of utah, they sent a letter warning democrats that they will no longer cooperate on legislation, whether it's to fund the government or a nominees, unless it directly deals with national security. now, they can only slow walk the process, but that could have major implications. and the united states senate, so making very clear here that this isn't just about words some republicans on capitol hill making it clear that they have allegiance to the president through their actions. >> laura laura fox. thank you very much. let's discuss this in more with conservative lawyer and vocal trump critic george conway. george, thanks so much for joining us. why are we seeing so many republican lawmakers parrot trump's baseless claims about the weaponization of the us judicial system against trump the republican party is in the thrall of a now convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. >> and they are all jockeying for position in the party because that's what they're

used to doing, they're used to parroting his lies and protecting this man who has basically done nothing but bring disgrace to the party and it's just absurd. it's just mendacious on so many levels. mean, first of all, the first person to be charged with any crime that involve the stormy daniel's episode was of course, michael cohen, who charged michael cohen. it happens to be the united states department of justice in 2018 lo and behold, who was president in 2018? me, this is just absurd. the man cohen went to jail for doing under federal law for committing campaign finance violations that he admitted two and then testified to under oath just this past month. >> and the notion that somehow donald trump should get a pass for what donald trump's own justice department charged as a federal crime, which then became a predicate for the state law, fraud that donald trump committed to cover up the

federal crime is just absurd. >> to suggest that the biden administration, know, i i have been a lifelong republican but there is no weaponization of justice department by joe biden. i mean, this notion, they argue that joe biden as senile yet now he somehow the mastermind behind what the what the district attorney of the counting of new york is doing. it's just preposterous and it's particularly preposterous in light of the fact that the justice department binds own justice department is prosecuting a democratic senator in the southern district of new york in a courthouse down the street from where trump was tried and is prosecuting joe biden's own son. that's not the weaponization of justice. that's i mean, you can argue about one case, so the other and whether it should be brought in the merits of one particular case and another. and i know people have strong feelings about those other cases but that's justice. that's justice that people on

both sides are being prosecuted by the justice department and vice and by other prosecutors. and this is not a weaponization of justice the reason why donald trump is now convicted are 34 felonies is because he committed 34 felonies and a jury of 12 people, including one person who got his news. only from truth, social donald trump's own personal social media website found him unanimously guilty. and they found him obviously overwhelmingly guilty because it just didn't take them that long. they heard the evidence. there wasn't even a diff i sat through that trial. i read the transcript. there was no defense. the case was never even close. and frankly, i think a lot of people immediate misled the public by suggesting that it might hey, be anything but a runaway walk off victory by a complete blow out by the prosecution, which it was, and the jury agreed for trump gave remarks earlier today is we all know slamming the verdict. i

want to play a little part of that. listen to this this is a scam. >> there's a rig trial it shouldn't have been in that venue. >> we shouldn't have had that, judge. he should have loud allowed us to have an election expert wouldn't allow us to have witnesses. he wouldn't allow us to talk. he wouldn't allow us to do anything you were in court for parts of this trial, george, how do you respond to what he just said he's lying just the same way he lives of blight about the election, lied about the temperature in the courtroom, lied about the security around the courthouse. >> he's lying. he could have put on any number of witnesses the legal expert he put on was going to testify about law, but under the under the rules of evidence in every state and in the federal courts, you can't, you can't put somebody to testify about domestic law. the fact is he could have put on any of these you could have put on his son who signs up one of the checks that he could have put on himself, but he was to check scared. he could he would never have withstood cross-examine communication. he knew that he doesn't know if

this man who follows who doesn't always follow his lawyer's advice, decided not to testify. he didn't he says all this stuff in the courthouse out in the hallway in trump tower about how it was all rigged at all. it was all lives. and this is false and that is false. well, where is this testimony? he was too scared he. was too weak. he was two he was he knew that he would be shown to be the absolute liar that the jury found him to be. and if anything, if he had testified the jury verdict would have come back faster he knows that i'm looking at that's what he does. >> he said i wanted to testify. there's a direct quote. i would have loved to have testified he could have testified nothing stopping them except himself. he decided not to testify earlier today, georgia the house speaker johnson called on the us supreme court to step in and set this record straight. his words regarding the case. do you see any reason why the us supreme court would get involved? >> it's amazing because i

think speaker johnson is a lawyer. i if i'm not mistaken and he knows better than that the way that an appeal happens is in the ordinary course the defendant will be sentenced on july 11th. at that point, the defendant can take an appeal to the appellate division. first department of this spring quarter of the state of new york. and then you can take another appeal if he loses their to the court of appeals of the state of new york and then he can go to spin court of the united states if he has a federal issue, to assert and there is no going to be no federal issue in this case. >> george conway, as usual, thanks so much for joining us and just ahead, it's a new world for donald trump now that he's a convicted felon, what we know about new restrictions that will offend his everyday life hey, for including whether he will still be able to vote the assignment with audie cornish. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts i've struggled with generalized myasthenia gravis but the pitcher started

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verdict. and what comes next for the former president of the united states. he and his top form and is taking a closer look at all the things trump can and cannot do. now that he's a victor, good felon. tom, tell us about the new restrictions. trump is now facing well, let's start with the first basic question here. can donald trump be the president of the united states as a convicted felon? >> the simple truth is a constitutional, he says a few things. be a natural born citizen of the united states. that's required be at least 35-years-old, and you must be a resident of the us for at least 14 years those are among the requirements for being president. it really says nothing about felons and in truth, many legal analysts say, even if you are a felon, you could literally win the office and serve as president from a jail cell. if you had you can he vote? that's a different question. this is a little more complicated that first one sort of a slam dunk. yes, he can be president. little more complicated, almost every state

is it for vermont maine, and then dc as an area down here? >> almost all of them have some kind of restrictions on you if you have been convicted of a crime, if you are a felon in those states, some more, some a little bit less but that is usually focused on whether or not you're actually in jail. >> and it's complicated further by the fact that trump is a resident of florida where they say you have to serve all your time and pay all your fines before you can vote again. but he was convicted in new york where it's somewhat more lenient and this is the state that would take precedent there so although it's not entirely worked out, the general belief is that on balloting day, it's very free likely that he will be able to cast his ballot. well and tom, what about the remaining months until the november election will trump be able to fully participate in this campaign? >> yeah, a simple question, right can trump travel as a convicted felon? can he go to all the places these are all

the states, some of them. there's some more places he visited so far in his campaigning yeah, he can travel. he can campaign, he can go to interviews and go to debates like cnn's debate. that'll be down near georgia tech here and atlanta hanuman gold traveled to golf and he wants to, unless the court tells him he specifically cannot, that would be a different matter if they don't want him to do that. but beyond that, there are other restrictions for felons. sometimes some might lose their passport might not be able to get mortgages from certain banks, might not be able to take part in certain government programs, especially involving money. not sit on a jury, own a gun, but i do want to point out, we put this asterisk down here for a very big reason. this is a former president a potential future president. and that means virtually everything we've talked about here could be subject to change. >> wolf on non-pharm and excellent explanation. thank you very much coming up. the presidential historian doris kearns goodwin is standing by to join us live. we'll get her take on the latest

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before this? never didn't happen after this. i think the next step that i imagine the history books might say is what happens in the appeals process. and if that appeals process claims that it was a fundamentally fair trial and his conviction is not over turned than the real step is what happens in public sentiment, what happens in the election? will it be fought on a corrupt rule of law on the one hand, and a rule of law and the other, or will finally, we'd be able to just talk about what these candidates, one of present as a vision for the future and who they are as people people. and that's what i'm hoping the history books will say many years from now, and i'm no longer around to ride it will wait to see what happens on that front. >> i love american history as you know, on cnn last night, the legendary journalist bob woodward, pointed out the 50th anniversary of nixon's resignation is coming this august. how do you think these moments in history compare 50 years apart this is one of those moments when i think it's so important to remember history, because think of what happened and how the republican

party came around to protect the rule of law the supreme court ruled that his plane claim for executive privilege could not be met and the tapes had to be turned over. >> the impeachment process was going forward. senator goldwater scion of the republican party, house minority leader, senate minority went to president nixon and told him that he would be convicted and republicans would be behind it if he did not resign and he resigned. so that meant that every institution really came forward and thought for that rule of law so different from today, so different from today, the, your fellow presidential history and tim naftali, a frequent guest here on cnn, thinks this verdict will create and i'm quoting him now, a torrent of poison and further divide the united states. do you agree obviously that's what's going to happen in the short term. >> we've already seen happening in these days that come. my real hope though, is that we've seen in polls already that a certain percentage small but yet important and significant in the election said if he were

convicted, they would not vote for him. and maybe when people i digest what happened here, that a jury of 12 citizens, in the way the jury trial system works worked hard. listen to it, ask questions and came to the conclusion that he deserved to be convicted and if that settles into a certain percentage of the country, everything is so we'll close that. it could swing the election if that happens, it'll be hard for me to imagine that we're still going to be arguing once again. okay. the last election they will claim was corrupt, was not wrong this election is not corrupt at a time. we're going to get exhausted. and these, these arguments for after a while are not gonna be able to be held. that's what i'm hoping in the future. >> let's see, in brief remarks earlier today, duress president biden said the conviction shows and i'm quoting him now, no one is above the law and said those who are calling the outcome or being quote, reckless and dangerous. is that how you would have advised president and bind to handle this to react in this way yeah

i think he should not react and called trump any names in response to the names that trump will call him. >> but i think defending the rule of law is probably pretty important, but much more important. he's got to offer the american people a vision for the future. what it is that were prevented from happening because we're so caught up in this trump knowledge. we've been talking about trump now for four years, for six years, for eight years. and it feels like there's no oh, time left to really talk about climate change or talk about gun safety or talk about a woman's right to choose. those are the issues that really matter in the future. and i think he should focus on that and just talk about the fact that we can't be caught up in another retribution grievances because and go backward were already backsliding. and in order to go forward, he's gotta be a fighter for going forward. i'm not sure he has to be a fighter against trump per say, but a fighter against the whole idea that we keep going backward in time, we keep claiming that elections are not right the jury trials are not right after a while. that has to stop and have to look at the future. and that's what i would advise them to do. >> your presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin. thanks. so doris, once again for joining us. and once again, let

me put the book cover up on the screen. her excellent new bestseller unfinished love story, a personal history of the 1960s is out there now, it is available if you lived through the 1960s, it'll bring back a lot, a lot of memories, doris, thanks so much for joining us and coming up. >> oh, thanks. thank you. >> of course. will have borne our top story. the fallout from donald trump's historic conviction. i'm 30 four felony counts we'll be right back the russians were trying to spy on us. >> we were spying on them. >> i'm sorry, frank this is a the secret. >> war, secrets and spies, a nuclear game premier sunday at ten on cnn today. >> at america's beverage company, our models might still look the same, but they can be remade in a whole new way. >> thanks to you. >> were getting bottles back and we've developed a way to make new ones from 100%

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