doesn't abide by this israel is in the right to defend themselves and we will help. >> and obviously the hostages are still a huge issue in this ab returned arena nine and great to see you. thank you so much. next week, president biden and dignitaries from around the world will head to northern france to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day in his new documentary, jake tapper takes a look at their fight what were we? >> we were locked in a battle with fascism. we're fighting for our freedom, for the freedom to think as we wish, talk, as we wish they gave their life to preserve and protect that constitutional big died for our democracy. >> that wasn't the thing that we're thinking about when they ran out of the landing craft, whatever. but at the end of the day, that's it's what they were protecting you can watch

d-day, why we still fight for democracy on an all new episode of the whole story. >> that's this sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern only right here on cnn. and thank you so much for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now. have a great weekend well tonight, donald trump turns his conviction into a cornerstone of his and pain. but will it work? >> plus american airlines soon after eight black men say they were kicked off a flight because someone complained about body one of them will be my guest tonight and laura coates live so. >> we actually have no idea what sentence judge messiah is going to actually hand down to donald j. trump next month, but we do know one thing for sure. donald trump is not leaving his political future up to this judge between now and november,

donald trump is going to use that 34 count conviction to try to get to 47, the number 47 that is. and today, a furious trump railed against the verdict during a speech in trump tower. you know, trump tower, the same place. this is infamous 2015 announcement. you remember this moment, the ride down the escalator with melania in to really ahead of them. well, the smiling and the waving this time there was no ride down an escalator. there was actually no melania and there were no smiles. and for 33 minutes, donald trump stood alone and told his supporters that he is a victim of a weaponized system everybody is a case where if they can do this to me, they can do this too anyone these are bad people these are in many cases, i believe sick people the man who chose not to take the stand also, children take a single question on what he called a press conference, which is not

a speech, it's a time to actually hear questions be asked and you answer them as well. >> and perhaps one that he would have been asked was, why are you telling him? anyone, let alone your supporters and it's all president biden's doing when you know that that is not true, there is no evidence that president biden had anything to do with the manhattan da's case? >> not under his umbrella and under his watch, separate sovereigns entirely state, federal. >> i could go on in fact, biden himself has been careful and say a whole lot. if much at all about the trial, at least until today reckless dangerous. >> it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict justice and should be respected and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. to simple as that now, in president biden, biden calls and dangerous, there might be some good reason for that. >> it's not hyperbole and think about that because

according to reuters, there's been some alarming commentary on some pro-trump corners of the internet okay one example quote, time to start capping some lefties said one post. this cannot be fixed by voting joining. me now, is, adam chins and girls see an senior political commentator and former republican congressman who you know, served on the january 6 committee. congressman. thank you so much for joining. i have to begin on that last point in particular, because you have spoken many times about the power of speaking up, but also the prospect of being harmed, of being called out of being mistreated, of being threatened. when you see what the former president had to say and the actions we're hearing from those who are as allies in congress. they're pushing quite a message what is your action? the other really they really are pushing this message and it's not surprising because when you have to and i mean this like seriously when you

have to sell your soul and your entire moral center to stay in power. and you can't look at yourself in the mirror like most of these republican elected officials. you're going to find yourself angry, but you're also going to find yourself very willing to go over the line because your future, your legacy will be judged by who stays in power? this is, this is brown shirt type tactics. what we're seeing when you see those comments, like what you just showed on the internet, an attempt to intimidate people an intent, an attempt to scare people to have people not feel free to speak out. and this is the time when it is essential for democracy, for people to stand against us with authoritarianism, to double down and not be intimidated. but it is a real thing because people have had their brains broken by donald trump. >> there are many who have spoken out. in fact, some of your former colleagues, i want

to play for you a little bit of money because of what some have said, whether it's byron donalds it tim scott or jd vance, just listen i think a lot of people are looking at this case and see it for what it is. >> it is a sham, this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats this was certainly a hoax, a sham every single thing about this points to the fact that this was a political sham prosecution assisted met hans republicans and for tax democrats, braswell in manhattan alone, there is a democrat on trial. it's also a senator. his name is bob menendez, just to name one example of this. but when you hear that a justice system hunting republicans i'm flabbergasted what's your ekg action i'm flabbergasted to because like with tim scott aye. >> i grew up with him in congress. we were both elected in 2010. this is a man who i believe takes us faith seriously. but yet can go on

television and lie to people who are looking for his trust and say that this is hunting republicans when he knows the house, republicans had been spending the last year begging for a reason to go after joe biden and to go after hunter biden? hey have been used. they wanted hunter biden in jail before they even knew what he was going to be charged with. look i get it. they're angry. okay. >> you have you have nominated a convicted felon now who can't own a gun would lose a security clearance if he was in the military and it would be discharged from the military right now. >> i'm sorry that you nominated this guy is your front runner, but it doesn't mean you now have permission to stand in front of the american people to lie to them. you think about officer michael fanon, who spoke out his mother, his 70 some year-old mother was swatted. were they called the emergency services and the police showed up because this is the level of

intimidation do not be intimidated, ladies and gentlemen, because they will not win perspective from someone like yourself, having been a member of the military and former air force combat pilot just putting into perspective the limitations now on a potential commander in chief unspeakable adam cans and her. >> thank you so much for joining you bet. i want to bring in cnn opinion contributor and former house gop investigative committee counsel sofia nelson, also here with me, meghan hayes, former special system to president biden. i mean, i want to just play for a second for you all and just thinking about this. what president biden also went on to talk about? and this is one of the first time he has addressed this. we know they were surrogate two were doing it in the past, but listen a little bit more about what he had to say they found donald trump guilty i'm all 34 felony counts now it'd be given the opportunity as he should to

appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity. >> that's how the american system of justice works you know, i i'm michele alone, have a series on exonerated people who have not committed the crimes that they were accused, who have sat in prison for it, sometimes decades for egregious unspeakable crimes. >> and they have respected the system, appealed through the actual and while sitting in prison this is not at all, even with a former president, is articulating. and now the current president talking about the reason to do so how can this be where we are? >> that's a great question. i mean, we're going to leave it to the american people decide to move in a different direction come november, but i do think that the president is trying to make the point that we need to continue to respect a lot, just the congressman was saying like people we need to tell people this is not acceptable, this behavior is not acceptable he was found guilty by a jury. he has proper things that he can do to move forward. he needs to take those steps. and that's the way it needs to happen. we need to

have faith and our justice system, whether it is hunter biden who's going on trial in a few weeks or whether it's the former president. this is a justice system that we need to have faith in. and what are your microstates built upon. and of course, the president i'd say it's not for nothing is the head of the executive branch whose job it is to obviously enforce the laws. >> and under that is the doj. so i don't know how you're going to be the president and say a whole entity that you're responsible for doesn't really have any credibility. but how do you bring the temperature down? i mean, you have and so get really gave me a lot i know i've given you the hard question and maybe in some respects it's a fool's errand. think you can solve the problem. but we're 189 days away from a presidential election. >> how do you get the point where you can bring the temperature down first, i think we have to be very serious about this. >> one of the problems here, laura, is the celebrity apprentice flair to this this is a reality show that we're all really addicted to. i used to watch the bobbi brown and whitney houston thing. it was awful. you remember that show recited and i'll be like, why did i watch that? but i'd go go back and watch it. i think that's where we are right now.

we keep watching this donald trump show in the way that we get this temperature down is to be sober and serious about one thing that i hope we all agree on his america gins and that is that no one is above the law in this country and no one is below it either. so former president trump has the right to appeal. he will he is going to be sentenced in july on the 11th, which that's gonna be very interesting because he could be in jail before the convention four days later that is something the country is going to have to wrestle with what happens if this man goes to jail, or we really going to put on the same stage will debate will be over with president biden, right? but are we going to really elect someone that's in prison? whereas secret service agents can stay as congressman kinsey pointed out, right now donald trump couldn't get into the military, enlisted because he's a convicted felon. how are you going to be commander in chief when you can't get into million yet, he is fund raising an extraordinary amount of magnetic is my 53 million has been already been raised

the calculations a site broke down because of all of the traffic that was coming in. this has been his consistent drumbeat that i'm standing in the way for you. i'll take this. he even said today, it's an honor to go through this because it's on behalf of you. when you've got that sort of messaging and the money is coming in, how do the demo? gratz combat that? >> i think it's really tough. i think it's challenging, but i think that the president needs to continue to show the contrast at the kind of person he is, his characters really makes a difference here. and i think this election-related going to be decided. and what five or six states there? president biden won arizona by 10,000 votes, that those votes on the margins right now. and i think those were the people who are going to make the difference in this election. so his base is going to be drummed up. he's going to raise a ton of money which is totally great. i'm sure biden is also raising money and the same way today off of this, but election will be decided on the margins and those are the people who are going to need to pay attention and the character issue is really going to come into play. >> why aren't we seeing more of his family that have an impact? melania did not come

down to be at this press coverage. she was in manhattan. on the day of the verdict. she was in manhattan obviously for this as well. she has not been there. she's not appeared and she was not the most omnipresent prior first lady, as it can't. and the campaign. but what we see more of her what impact would it have? there's an old latin seen kliger test it, constant. terry, the day tour she who is silent when she should speak, is understood to consent that means her silence tells you everything you need to know because a wife in this situation would come and stand by her husband normally, we've seen political wives do at eliot spitzer when he was in trouble, he was getting run out. his wife stood by him and some of the worst circumstances. so i think the fact that mrs. trump has been absent and silent it speaks volumes. she doesn't have to say a word. >> you know what i love about sofia nelson and we to meghan, hey, is but what's really in the same conversation we talked about bobby brown and whitney. i mentioned just quoted latin

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is the crime that i committed that i'm supposed to go to jail for 187 years for no that's not at all true. >> trump does not face 187 years in prison. he faces a maximum penalty of 20 years. and many lee lead for things he might not go to jail at all. others say don't roll it out i wouldn't make book on the fact that he's not going to have a prison sentence. so a lot depends on the behavior of donald trump when he's in front of the person he has been insulting repeatedly. >> if i were the judge, i'm not saying i would i would impose jail, but i would strongly consider it well, joining me now is elliot williams. he didn't legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general for legal affairs. so elliott here we are. it's definitely not 187 years, but what are the factors that judge merchan is going to weigh over the course of next month or so when he considers how to sentence trump, how to sentence trump not to 187

years, laura, but some some set of time or conditions below that so this is all up to the judge. the judge has full discretion here and we'll consider the biggest thing in addition to what the law says, what the statute says, and new york sentencing and guidelines, what is the defendant's criminal history now this is a defendant that does not have a criminal record, so that works very much in the foreign presence favor acceptance of responsibility is very important. this idea of has this defendant shown remorse, admitted that he did it, accepted that he did it, and willing willing to just go there and we haven't seen much of that from the former president, but there's plenty of daylight between now and july 11 when sentencing comes. so maybe he has a change of heart. is the individual a danger to the community? are they violent? are they armed or they are fugitive? that's not really the case here, works generally in the president's favor deterrence is an interesting one because there aren't that many presidents are former president's alive. but needless to say, cam the judge seek to deter future

people from committing crimes or this person from community or crime. and the big one, the defendant's conduct right here wows the defendant behaved and here we've had these gag orders. this defendant, the former president, has mouth off quite a bit. but to the judge and the judge can consider that really important to see all these and writing and again, with exceptions, responsibility, he can accept the process without admitting his guilt. and that could be looked upon by a judge in his what they call the allocution. now, trump says he's going to appeal and that could be a very lengthy process to walk us through how it's going to work. >> oh, lengthy is exactly the right word, laura. so three levels of courts in new york and elsewhere, you've got the new york criminal court that's where we are sentencing july 11, then after sentencing, a series of dates and deadlines come up, the defendant within 30 days of his sentence syncing can file what's called a notice of appeal, just a document signifying that he intends to appeal the decision, then he has six months in which to file is briefs, pull the transcripts, and everything. the government then has 30 days

after that. now if you're doing the math that gets you into now, 2025, and the appeal hasn't even been briefed yet. then more back-and-forth. the appeals court can will write a decision when they wish that could take months, if not up to a year after that after that decision, then the former president, if he loses, can go all the way up to the new york court of appeals, the highest court in the state. they don't have to take it, but they can. and that whole process starts over again. this is why appeals can take years and years and years to finish. >> 2025 is what i'm hearing you say as well. and now that trump has been convicted, there are certain things now that he is a crooked felon 34 times over that he can and he cannot do. we talk to congressman adam kensington are about this and about the military service or the lack thereof? >> what can he can what can and kitty not do? >> well, everything now until his decision is final, until the appeals are all exhausted. but there's a circumstance in which under federal law, someone, if they go to jail in

another state based on a conviction they could be barred from voting. they they could be barred from serving on a jury there's an important civil rights lesson here. millions of people, literally million, several million are barred from voting in the united states, on account of felony convictions, you can be barred from holding public office, which is interesting, and getting certain licenses if the former president wishes to, i don't know, be a real estate broker or something. i don't know if that's the case. the big one federal law prohibits felons from owning firearms. i understand the former president has had a concealed carry license in the past, but federalize it is right now. if you have a felony conviction, that is a bar, unbelievable. of course, they complication does not say that he cannot be the president or run for office, which for a lot of people has been very illuminating to think about this seems counter-intuitive, but indeed is the constitution. >> elliot williams. thank you so much for it's the case that we'll let the define alvin bragg's career. but it was a long winding road that got them and hattan da to trump's

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the historic conviction of a former president i did my job, we did our job many voices out there the only voice that matters is the voice of the jury. >> and the jury has spoken and resoundingly, they convicted on all counts with minaur to friends of alvin bragg, amy slotnick, and nick suplina. i'm so glad that both of you are here tonight to talk about this. it has been an historic week, has been an historic time in american history. >> amy lee, begin with you because you previously is that de a bragg would never bring this case unless the evidence supported a conviction, which frankly is how prosecutors are supposed to pursue. >> it's not a gut check, it's supposed to follow the evidence and what they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt. do you think that this has vindication that he has done just that by this verdict absolutely. mac alvin as

someone who is remarkably level headed, remarkably committed to the rule of law and the facts. and so from the start, it was clear that he would never bring a case like this unless the facts were strong. and certainly yesterday, it became clear that the jury wholeheartedly agree and. so certainly this is a vindication, not gas for alvin and the incredible team at the manhattan da's office. but really for the rule of law and for our justice system. if you pursue a case rooted in strong facts the jury will actually agree in key moments like this. >> i'm glad you clarified the point about vindication for him or for the rule of law more broadly, because there has been an emphasis frankly, an over-emphasis on those bringing the cases as opposed to the facts that actually are a part of the cases. and what the jury has done and i'm wondering from your perspective and continues to second, nic, amy, do you think that bragg will ask for prison time for trump? >> but i can't speculate as to what you ask for.

>> i know that in every case, i worked on with him in the new york attorney general's office. >> every case i've seen him pursue, and every decision he's made more broadly as a leader and as a prosecutor he has been committed to what the law tells him to do and committed to the facts. and so i know that that is what will drive him that glandular in the rest of his team in making their decision as we head toward sentencing nick, let me bring you in here because for so many people, when they look at an elected da, they may be skeptical, completely about what their motivation is. >> they may think that whenever the campaigning is that they will adhere to that even if the facts are not support it. he himself was accused by so many of caving to political pressure by even bringing this case. and and you know, congressman jim jordan, he wants him to appear at the subcommittee on allege weaponization what do you say the people who believe this line of thinking that he was

politically motivated and not motivated by the facts and the evidence that was now proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> the people there they're 12 julie handled burs in from an app that would disagree with has never promised to prosecution in life, never is prompt to the fact where they and it would be good reminder i'm bringing cases construct nothing those would just see no trump classic for him in the past and say, pretty horrible thing, adam. and then because there was a criminal case or field the difficulty hearing you and i want to be able to hear it understand your points. >> very much. so just give a second to work. cracked your

audio for a moment and we'll come right back to you. amy, let me go to you here on this because after the verdict bragg stress that this case was just frankly, one of many that the da's office is prosecuting every day. i mean, he made very few appearance in the courtroom. no real public appearances, which i found very interesting given that there have been others who would have a very high profile case like this, and they would make sure that they themselves were present omnipresent and even having daily press conferences. and you can see this happening other places as well. what do you think that he chose to lay so low and then be very vocal with the american people that this is one of many look that's exactly who he is. >> and i think there's a story that just came out in the times that describes him as quote, allergic to milking any moment. and that really is outlet and he is someone who is not there for the line length is not there for the politics. he's there because of a deep

commitment to the rule of law and so we saw this when he ran for office and made clear that he would follow the facts wherever they lead you did not refuse to actually commit to prosecuting trump despite pretty significant pressure during that campaign to do so. as my friend nick was explaining, he actually declined prosecutor in different criminal case against trump in the early days of his tenure as be so he's not someone who was doing this for political reasons. he is not someone who's doing this for the glory. he's doing this because this entire career has been rooted in a commitment to the rule of law and to pursue injustice and he is someone who is able to actually drown out so much of the noise. whether it's the pressure on him to bring a case for political reasons or in this case, frankly, the threats and the smears against him following the successful prosecution of trump it is a difficult and go back to nick on their assistive

a call to reconcile. i mean, the what comes along with this position? this prosecution and now this conviction? for so many were fearful about what that could mean. there's the rule of law. their safety issues mean nick, you study extremism online. are you concerned about bragg safety with all the attacks we've seen the threats that he has received throughout the course of this trial, and frankly, before yeah. >> well, i end to actually amy two and our professional lives really know what the coded language is and what the overt languages that appeals to extremism and what we're seeing from powerful elected officials right now is exactly the permission structure that they need to take action and to stand back and standby the fact of the matter is it's deeply are responsible. a jury has found a man guilty of a crime

the process was from beginning to end by the book. there's nothing untoward about this and yet, you have elected officials for partisan gain or small term, small term political advantage are throwing the whole system under and really bringing about a moment that could be very dangerous for the country. one of your earlier guests said, the way to turn the volume down is to not make this a reality show. the fact is, is that donald trump and some of his allies are trying to do that. they're just trying to gain attention and raise money off of this while alvin bragg is giving the facts and saying, i'm here to do my job and that's all i have to say about raising money. they are indeed amy's photonic, nick suplina. thank you both so much next, eight men pulled off an american airlines airplane, all of them black none of them knew each other. and they were not

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you're one of eight black men on that jet bridge all of you having been removed from the plane. so you take your phone out. >> he started filming representative says that there was a complaint about body odor and the complaint having come from a white flight attendant on board, a utah the wrap this is discrimination you know what they agree with, you i agree you get back to the gate and you ask a rapid if you and all these other men were singled out because you're all black and they agree with that as well okay why do yes because because the alto okay disagree

now, after an hour an hour of attempting to rebook flights, the airline determined there aren't any other flights that evening and you and all of the other men pulled off that slide are finally allowed back on board the flight is delayed. >> you are humiliated because of the indignity that you have had to be subjected to and you get on a plan with all the eyes looking at you, wondering perhaps what? >> you all did wrong. >> now all this is what my next guess alleges in the lawsuit against american airlines, three of the men pulled off the flight are now suing saying that they and the other black male passengers were ejected quote, without any valid reason based solely on their race now american airlines tells cnn that they are quote, currently investigating the matter as the claims do not reflect our core values or our purpose of caring for people here with me now is emmanuel jean joseph and his

lawyers, sue cuda emmanuel. >> let me begin with you. i cannot believe what has happened. i cannot believe that you had to endure this when i heard about this story, the first thing that came to mind was just the sheer indignity of what you had to be subjected to, how on it must have felt. and for all of you to realize strangers though you were that it was happening to you all what was going on. >> did you know why you are being asked to get off the plane? >> no all i was choked grab my belongings and i was going to be rebooked on another flight and i just complied because i thought it was something like, you know their flight was overfilled, they need to someone else. so i kind of just went up there without a guard. i'm just kinda just a naive mine and just and that wasn't a case and to be clear, you were not traveling with any of these other men. >> you didn't even know each other, right? >> no. i had no knowledge of

the men on the plane you are in close proximity. >> did you notice some offensive body odor which was allegedly by the way, what the complaint was about no. actually, i was just sitting next to an foot passenger just laughing and listening to aaron and grand day and just getting ready to take off the. idea, that that is what happened and the realization when you finally saw i looked around at the other passengers who've been pulled off that plane. what went through your mind as you noticed? >> we're all black i think when i got to the nose of the plane and made a left on the jet bridge my heart sunk and it kind of was like everything was connecting about the attitude i got from the flight attendant earlier and what was happening at once. >> i heard that it was a complaint i i mean my brain went fuzzy because it was clear

about body odor. but you took eight people who are not traveling together. it just didn't make sense. and it still doesn't today what was, it like? >> because we understand that an hour goes by. there is no other flights. and they say, despite that it was apparently so egregious to take you off the plane before they put you back on the plane and hour later i can't imagine what it's like to walk down the center aisle of that plane. did you have any reaction from the other passengers? >> yeah i mean, it was a horrifying feeling because there was no one there to give compassion or to ask me, am i right? and it was just like kinda just walking down an aisle of eyes people rolling, people in the eyes and people just kinda like trying to assess a what happened some people had attitudes because it's been an hour and they've been sitting in their seats and i kinda had to go back to my seat and be quiet. for the

entire rest of the flight, and be uncomfortable emmanuel, i'm just so sorry. >> that is happened. and just keep thinking about the aid of you must knowing must be thinking in a way, don't give anyone a reason to justify this egregious behavior against us. this unspoken communication that those who have been discriminated against often feel in solidarity in these moments. and i'm just so sorry that that was you're experience as well. let me bring in your attorney here, sue which i want to know how american airlines has been responding to these allegations. are they given any answers as to why these men were taken off the flight? >> no. other than what a manual told you what the men were told at the time the body odor issue know we've heard the generic statement of the type you read. they take these complaints very seriously. tebor tip so what is what can be done? has there been any disciplinary action sought? hasn't even taken many

if i dance, i think there are they unionized. what happens now they are unionized the case has just begun. >> so we have to get to the bottom of exactly who made these decisions, who made the complaint. we have some information. we don't know if it's true so we're going to have to get to the bottom of how this egregious incident actually came to be with all these american airlines people involved in it in a minute interacted with multiple people inside the plane at the gate how could this decision has been made to say, okay, we're going to handle a complaint is we're going to walk down the aisles identify the black men, and take them off the plane. in until they've gotta be rebooked. >> you done cases is similar to this. have you ever seen a fact pattern like this no discrimination can be difficult to prove, right? it's it's

not always this obvious that race is playing a factor in the decision. and i'd say that here because again they didn't know each other. they weren't sitting next to each other. it is almost inconceivable to imagine an explanation for how this happened that doesn't involve the fact that they were black men. >> emmanuel, let me give you the last word here what is this done to you in terms of your your emotional well-being? has this changed the way you want to experience flying? what do you want to see happen in this case? >> i think that it's definitely going to change the way i view flying forever. because now when i get on a flight and i see staff talking or whispering or just chatting together. i'm thinking, are they conspiring against me? so it's just going to be very uncomfortable. i still haven't flown today and

i'll been who happens to be in a rock band, tours all the time and he flies and he no longer has or cheap flights. he has to look for flights an airlines. they're not going to discriminate against him. so it's a different thing now emmanuel jean joseph, we're going to continue to follow this tsukuba. thank you both for being here this evening. it truly is shocking and i really thank you for joining me tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you next call it the grievance games from anger over kneeling to outrage over athletes calling for racial justice. >> why have sports gone from a maybe unifying force to a source of division? we'll talk about it next you have an excellent warren g t, blurring

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team in 20 years to win back-to-back winning back-to-back. i got like that a not so subtle wish from president biden, hoping he will share the same fate as the kansas city chiefs. >> and the upcoming election. biden, welcoming superbowl champs at the white house today. >> yet again he was gifted a chiefs helmet by head coach andy reid, even put it on after cheers from the team. >> now, all the stars were there, including pep mahomes and travis kelce, also in attendance, kicker harrison butker, who was of course there is no mention of his controversial commencement speech earlier this month where he encouraged women in a way that was unsettling to many who were listening from afar he even by the way, attacked biden directly in that speech. >> but those comments sparked a political firestorm and it certainly was not the first time that sports and politics have collided. in fact, it seems like it's happened more

frequently over the past decade then maybe ever before my next guest argues american sports stability has now collapsed. and in his article titled how grievance splintered american sports, jerry brewer says this, i used to have no doubt about the unifying super power of sports i used to believe it was an imperishable kind of magic. i don't anymore or rather, i can't division has seized too much control jerry brewer joins me now. he is a sports columnist for the washington post. jerry, good to see you this evening. more on your article. and in just a moment. but i am curious about this event today at the white house. i mean, there was no mention of the kicker's speech at all. there was also no protests it went off without a hitch. are you surprised by that considering frankly, white house visits by sports teams under trump became so politically fraught and made it even happen at all. >> yeah, a lot of them didn't happen i was impressed that

harrison butker showed up. i think that was more of a thing for his team than maybe what he wanted to do the chief did by him but sports tend to be passive aggressive. so i'm not surprised that there wasn't an incident. i can i can think back to so many times that people had some kind of beef about whatever president bush, clinton, even obama, and they came to the white house anyway and today it actually felt like a normal de is 40 400. >> look, they won the championship. he was a part of the team. he had every right to be there. but in your piece, you referenced this infamous moment from a 2017 trump's speech. listen wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a drop the field right now out, he's fired i

remember this moment well, and you say the politicization and the division in sports was missing before this moment, but this was super charged at that moment. i mean, the former president has since sparked with so many sports figures there on the screen. just name a few what has the sports world? >> become so divisive yeah, look at that moment back from september 2017, as donald trump not being the culprit, but being the closer. >> and i think you have to go back, laura, for 12 years. go back to when trayvon martin was killed, which was the same de as the nba all-star game. in orlando? trayvon martin killed in sanford. and how that deeply affected the nba. that that led to sports be in part of the black lives matter movement, if you will, protesting police lethality it all kind of peaked

when colin kaepernick had his demonstration for the entire 2016 season even though colin kaepernick was essentially blackball from that point forward, after trump became the president and his first year, he made this, what he considered a winning a winning issue for him to be able to just throw the grievance that people felt nearly sports fans who did not agree with any kind of patriotic things that they would consider anti patriotic. and so for the first time like that's sort of in the middle of athletes protesting for the last six years, seven years we've had the movement needing a counter movement and that's why we i had to explore this and call this the grievance games. >> well, we naive to believe that there was some realm of

society that would serve as escapism when politics really is a part of everything we see and do even if it's not the elections themselves but the politics and the influence on our lives yes. i mean, sports is a microcosm of society. sports is not though will conda, society, like where you can just wall it off from the rest of the world and i think we have been two innocent at times and our person exceptional sports. >> look the thing we can't do, we can't celebrate the societal gains that sports helped to contribute, whether it be the story of jackie robinson, whether it be the totality of muhammad ali's life, we can't celebrate those people and then say, oh, we want sports to be apolitical. we can't cheer for athletes and then say, we don't respect you as a human being when you're not wearing your jersey such. an important point. >> i mean they're