is a part of everything we see and do even if it's not the elections themselves but the politics and the influence on our lives yes. i mean, sports is a microcosm of society. sports is not though will conda, society, like where you can just wall it off from the rest of the world and i think we have been two innocent at times and our person exceptional sports. >> look the thing we can't do, we can't celebrate the societal gains that sports helped to contribute, whether it be the story of jackie robinson, whether it be the totality of muhammad ali's life, we can't celebrate those people and then say, oh, we want sports to be apolitical. we can't cheer for athletes and then say, we don't respect you as a human being when you're not wearing your jersey such. an important point. >> i mean they're not just to

be looked at in the fishbowl, they are human beings who also have athleticism and talent. >> but the idea of having them not be comprehensive full people would be something that would be selfish and wrong. and we see that more and more every single day. jerry brewer. thank you so much for joining us this evening. and hey, everyone out there. thank you so much for watching anderson cooper 360 is next tonight are 360, the former president on loads and the verdict that made him a convicted felon and republicans joined him and attacking the criminal justice system what's ahead and his case in new polling on the political impact also tonight, someone who knows what it's like to get inside his head, order, the deal goes, right, or tony schwartz and how his former subject may handle the days ahead and breaking news. >> the details of president biden's new ceasefire proposal for gaza, the timing of it, and the reception. it's getting. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin what comes next? legally politically and otherwise now that donald trump is convicted, both he and

president biden weight in today, the president very briefly, the former president at great length more than a half-hour this morning at trump tower this is a, scam. there's a rig trial. it shouldn't have been in that venue. we shouldn't have had that, judge you saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our sayyed, they were literally crucified by this man who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil hush money, hush money. it's not hush money. it's called the nondisclosure agreement. >> and it all comes out of the white house. >> crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of our country. he's the worst president in the history of our country his former lawyer and fixer, prosecution witness michael cohen called his old bosses performance today, a quote, crazy avalanche are broken brain word manure, from a factual standpoint that often stated claim that president biden was somehow behind the trial is simply fall something the president underscore today was a state case, not a federal

case and it was heard by a jury of 12 citizens 12 americans 12 people like you. >> after careful deliberation the jury reached a unanimous verdict they found donald trump guilty on all 34 felony counts now it'd be given the opportunity as he should two appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity that's how the american system of justice works. and it's reckless is dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged. just because they don't like the verdict congressional republicans meantime, many of whom identify and campaign on being tough on crime and supporters, law enforcement, or almost unified in their condemnation, not just the verdict, but also the justice system but under joe biden, the weaponization of the justice system has become front and center in this selection cannot say that this trial was

anything more than politics, masquerading as justice i do not think it was a fair trial at all. >> or you have a a district attorney that literally ran on convicting donald trump. that's a problem how she judiciary chair jim jordan, subcommittee on so-called weaponization of the federal government today announced it wants manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and one of the trial prosecutors to appear for a hearing next month. >> several republicans centers today signed a letter saying they quote, are unwilling to aid and abet this white house and will not allow expedited consideration and passage of democratic legislation. and mike johnson's speaker of the house. second in line of succession to the presidency, went on fox this morning. he said something striking given his role and what the constitution says about separation of powers between the three branches of government i do believe this supreme court should step in. >> i think that the justices on the court, i know many of them personally. i think they're deeply concerned about that as we are. so i think they'll set this straight i'll keep them honest. there's no indication this room court is going to get

involved in trump's felony convictions, and there's certainly no precedent for their involvement either. joining us. now is new york criminal defense attorney arthur aidala with us as well tonight, retired new york judge george grosso, also former manhattan chief assist since district attorney karen friedman, agnifilo, who recently interviewed michael cohen for her podcasts and full disclosure, her law firm represents him, but she does not work on that case and there no restrictions on what you can say hey, about the trump case judge, i heard something you had said i wanted to ask you about. um, you were in the court every single day you were there for the guilty verdict guilty verdicts as well. >> you don't rule out jail time for donald trump. i absolutely no so on the one hand, we look at this and we can say it's e felony, the lowest level of felony, it's non-violent. we have a 77 year-old convicted felon here without a prior record. so that would all obviously way towards known cost ration. on the other

hand, judges the judges waiting now for about six weeks, he's going to get a pre-sentencing report. they're working on now hi, going to be looking as he learned anything as he is, he contrite. what we just saw, what we saw it together there. so kinda like x that to me most serious is this is not the typical falsification of business records cash said with all you think of them as like the average person might think was like a green eye shade the thing like and an accountant putting a book in the wrong drawer or something like that. >> this is the connection crime here. >> the object crime was a violation of new york election law before 34 separate felony counts where the jury found unanimously, then new york state election law was violated. who likes to rant and rave constantly about election interference. election interference. well, the guy who was just convicted of 34 counts, essentially if of election interference in an election in 2016, that was actually close enough that the actions he stands convicted of

could have turned out electron and that's about a serious as it gets. and if i were the judge, i'm not saying i would i would impose jail, but i would strongly consider it the max is four years. it doesn't have to be jail time. so you could these got a lot of range. they could do like 60 days jail and three years probation to send a message about how serious it would be. weekend's in jail, immunity service, pick up pick up trash on the subway. >> karen, i mean, do you think it's a possibility? >> i think it's a possibility. look, i think i just adding to everything that the judge just said is also the fact that he was held in contempt ten different times in front of this, judge. i mean, did you that in a normal case would actually be taken? well, that's all state for the fact that trump was treated differently in this case. he was treated far more leniently than any other defendant who would have been put in jail like contempt number two, or three. >> i can't wait to talk. >> i just can't wait to talk because i couldn't disagree with you more. >> why? >> if you look you look at the

median sentence on an e felony nonviolent 77-year-old person with no record whatsoever in a crime, anderson, where they're not talking about stealing millions of dollars or any kind of massive corruption that's taken you can let old ladies dealing they would not prove it wasn't proven that he stole the election. it was defined it unanimously. if you read the jury charge, that's fine unanimously. beyond a reasonable well, dad, that there was that they stole that there was election interference, but we're able those are the ten okay. there was an intent to an intense two. i want to know how many people in the united states of america who voted for donald trump would not have voted for him had they found out that when he was extorted by stormy daniels, he entered into a non-disclosure agreement and paid her up. and the judge already said, during we will never know that, but they were certainly earned enough to have gone ahead. >> yes. and committed another corollary did judge the judge said, i don't want to put you

in jail, mr. trump, you are the presumptive nominee of the republican party and a press president. >> i don't want to put you in jail. and if alvin bragg dares to ask for jail time after on the first day of him being in office he put out a memo about how soft he wasn't crying to the degree that it took, judge. it drove this judge to leave the bench. a prestigious position he had to run for district attorney in queens. because he thought crime was going with going crazy alvin bragg said, i want you to find alternative school parts or ration is on robbery on this and now on this old man, he's a judge me that i got tears in my eyes i'm violent crimes. >> you're going to ask for jail on this. i think i feel stealing an election, right let me the judge 34 felony touts

involving a crime constituting a conspiracy to use unlawful means to impact on 34 felony. let's not forget the 2016 election. i believe it was 40,000 votes in michigan and wisconsin, 80,000 votes three swing states we know through the testimony of 20,000 votes, i think in wisconsin, yeah, we know the testimony of hope hicks, who who felt so bad about her testimony sheet sheep spontaneously broke down crying she was the inside out path for the jury to know exactly with a panic mode that the trump campaign was in when the access hollywood story broke and she got the email in trump tower, october 7 of 2016, and trump was practicing for the debate. they were they were in freefall, they were in panic. the rnc was talking about replacing trump well, we were not going to settle this. we

get we get your positions what would you think that blanche will go for? appeal and what will they tried to focus on. so i think that a couple of things i think they will they will take an approach where they will try to appeal everything that they talk about all the time that the judge is conflicted and should have recused. what do you think is the best avenue for it? >> i think there's really there really is only only one appellate issue that i think has substance and that is one that has potential merit is the jury charge regarding the thing we're talking about with the election and what was the object? object crime that made this a felony it's complicated and the number one area of reversal in new york is in jury charge because that's that it can be very tricky. and you have to get it exactly right. and. uses as as arthur has

arthur has repeatedly stated, this is a, this is creating something out of a new a new claw. well, slightly slightly. so i do think that is one area that has some merit and some validity. i don't think it's going to be reversed, but i think it's a genuinely legitimate substantive issue that will be taken very seriously by the court. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. ram that would be i'm going to add to that. i also think i knew you would that's that's my job. i also think whoever is trump's attorneys at the appellate level, you have to look at the inception of this because that's the grand slam. what karen said, what gave trump a new trial? but if he wanted to hit get a grand slam and have it dismissed, he would have to go back and say, the way this case was charged. so uniquely, taking misdemeanors out of the statue of limitations and bringing the backend as felonies in the statute limitations is something that the appellate court has to look at and say, is this well, how

we want to treat every citizen in the state? york. >> arthur aidala. thank you, judge grass. you karen friedman, agnifilo as well. >> the political impact. now some new polling from reuters, ipsos and appears to show republican voters doing republican lawmakers have been doing since the verdict, namely falling in line. take a look at the row in the middle of the screen post-conviction 14% say they would not vote for the former we're president pretrial 24% said they would not vote for him if you were convicted felon said another way, republicans in this bowl say they are now more likely to vote for the former president's since he became a felon joining us now to cnn political commentators from the right and left respectively, david urban and van jones. van i mean, you see republicans support for the former president has grown post-conviction at least in that poll, should the biden campaign be worried about a similar effect you think in swing voters. >> i think it's predictable. first of all, let's not forget this was not the strong case. this is not, this is not a donald trump leading an insurrection against democracy. this is not donald trump stealing sensitive documents that if i had stolen the white house ib in guantanamo, this

isn't all the abuse of women cases. this was the hush money case, falsification of records around some sex stuff when bill clinton got impeach for stuff like that, he went up ten points and so it's not surprising that you're seeing this kind of effect. but i think that democrats should let the republicans fan and faint and act like they're acting and yes, they won't have january 6 every day tearing down american institutions and systems corrupt but we've got to get back to talking about stuff, broglie americans care about this, this case was not going to be the case that brought donald trump's numbers down. it will always gonna be the case. brought them up david maria, former president trump and his allies blasting the justice system as partisan weaponized against republicans. >> how do you square that with prison? biden son standing trial and gun charges in federal court next week. and for that matter, democratic senator bob menendez standing trial on federal bribery charges in manhattan yeah, i think both things can be true. >> can't anderson this case was kind of a zombie case. are colleague elie honig wrote a

great piece that's appeared de, new york magazine which i would implore everyone to read about how this was cobbled together in a bespoke fashion by an incredibly political a district attorney, he won't prosecute other cases, but chose to revive this case. so i don't i don't see this having a lot of a lot of stickiness as you pointed out in the poll, i think republicans will fall in line. they're going to be more inclined to support trump. he saw a historic fundraising day-to-day stork in one day raise over 50 million and interestingly, 30% filing nurse, but are now i'll go okay. well, they're generally don't lie about those things you can verify and pretty shortly, but over 30% of those new, those new donors, excuse me, are those donors are new people, new, new, new under the polls, putting money into, into their, from their coffers into the end of the campaign. and so if they're so motivated to open their checkbook and support donald trump in campaigning. they're gonna be, i think aqueous, motivated to show up at the polls come

november. and so i do think it'll be a little bit of a bounce as van said clinton got a bounce. i think trump will, but we're gonna, we're gonna get back to this substance here. we're gonna have a debate in june. cnn's going to host it. i look forward to seeing president trump talking about the issues and if he sticks it out, i think it'll be clear sailing or november, then there's all their other older those questions about lena where will the nikki haley voters go? i mean, nikki haley has gone back to prague president trump took for the former president. >> i mean why won't those all those people who continue to vote for nikki haley in primaries follow her lead and go back to the former president. well, i mean, the democrats got to get a good reason. i mean, part of what's going on now is a donald trump is pulling off this this trick of, on the one hand, coming across as the underdog, who's beleaguered. he's the martyr. everybody's against me and kind of getting the sympathy vote. at the same time. he's a top up dog. he's, he's bees like this, almost like mob boss figure inside the republican party that makes everybody come and kisses rang and kisses total and kiss you're in this

weird underdog top so i kinda thing and it's working for him right now. and what's going to happen is once we get further into the summer and we have the debates and we have the conventions. democrats got to refocus and what we can do to help ordinary people. we are all too focused on donald trump trump is focused on trump and so is everybody else. and so we got to get out of this narcissistic trap. he's put us in and talk about real issues and that's going be what moves by, not this stuff. >> venue. you're prison by the way on the verdict. how do you think he should approach to this and coming months me know how should try. yeah. then how do you think anything but i think i think by i think biden did did find a day because he he's the biden should defend american institution to defend that jury defend the judges, defend the witnesses used to defend american institutions and then move on to talk about the american people and that other people talk about donald trump david do think speaker johnson, tim scott, congressman jordan, all the other electrode republicans who rushed, condemned the verdict would have opposed prosecuting for example, brock obama, feed falsified business records to

cover up a hush money payment, or they were all the ones chanting lock hillary clinton well, no, i know this alvin bragg case that's a really bad precedent because to your point, what what if this happened exactly in a an texas courtroom with a texas a really read district attorney. >> this this opens a pandora's box who george, i'm afraid that you're going to find some crazy person is going to pursue alvin bragg campaigned on you. no one's going to be able to have sex with a porn star and then pay somebody to cover get up about this case is about this case is about how your file something to your checkbook. >> this is not about all these other things that may be the flashy, sexy stuff. but that this is about documents the really boring case at its heart. and the american people i think kind of shrugged their shoulders by next week, this will be cut off the front pages until it won't be again in july 11, three days before the republican convention. you know, your previous guests, the judge is delusional. i think that he thinks that donald trump's could serve prison time that you might as well

just handed election that mean the american people would go crazy, going to put donald trump in jail for a case it's a misdemeanor. they're not put people in jail who are robin stores in new york it's insane. >> even ban would oppose that. but under first-in, first step back, van would be participating in asking for the release of donald trump van. >> and then we gotta go i agree that he's not going to jail. >> anybody says he's going to jail, paying attention to where it gets didn't say he is going to just was talking i came out various legal aspects said he could go to jail setting maybe conceivably, yes. >> anything by law considerably? yes. he could go to jail he also could conceivably grow hair. >> it's not going that is, it could be. i'm not sure which one i placed bets on a look david urban van jones guys thank you very much coming up next to the assessment of what this conviction looks like through the eyes of the convict, tony schwartz, the man who goes wrote the art of the deal, joins us. >> and later president biden's new ceasefire proposal for the

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up with donald trump at the man always liked being first at things. the question now how does he like being the first former president ever to be convicted felon? his appearance stay at trump tower provided some clues joining us now someone who's spent months there with the former president writing the art of the deal more recently, tony schwartz is the author of dealing with the devil. my mother trump. and me. what what was your thought as you heard the verdict i was in a plane returning from hong kong and i wanted to jump up. >> i just woke up and discovered it on my texts and i wanted to jump up in the air and pumped my fist than the air and yell it out to people and i was able to resist it, but the enthusiasm for the verdict was there what i don't know if you've saw trump's public comments since the verdict. >> what what do you make of his response to it? i mean, it's not a surprise, right? >> 100% predictable and he's still following the authoritarian playbook, which is repeat, repeat, repeat until people, no matter how absurd it

is. and this is absurd. what he's saying, absurd come to believe it. and he has been spectacularly effective at that he plays by his own set of rules. and if the world has to play by conventional roles or his opponents do or choose two and he doesn't have to play by the rules. it's an advantage for him and he is using that to advantage. so it's astonishing that we are at a point in america where a guy gets convicted on 34 different counts by a unanimous jury of his peers. and he is not going to and he can go out and raise $50 i know it hasn't been made official, but i'm sure he raised a ton and it's a measure of how bizarre the misunderstanding of who he is has become. >> do you think it is a misunderstanding of who he is or do you think it's a full knowledge of who he is and just

an embrace of what they, what people think he represents. >> okay, so take this 20% of black americans are supposedly in the polls saying they're going to vote for trump black people remain as do many other groups. a marginalized group in america and if there's anybody who's going to suffer under an authoritarian second trump term. it's marginalized people. and yet they're saying they want to vote for him. so no, i think it is a deep misunderstanding. i think the only person who could justifiably say it makes sense to me to vote for donald trump than somebody who grew up in a authoritarian country came here and discover and says, i loved the authoritarian, i lived under and so i want another one. >> but do you think for for many people he the former president represents something rather than what his policies are on any given particular

issue. >> he represents unfortunately two people, a victim and many people in this in these dark days feel like they're victims. and he stands for them and he somehow is able to carry a flag that they can't waive very high problem is he is as little a victim as you can be in this country based on all the privileges he's grown up with. so it's again, the reality is all you have to do is listen to trump for five minutes and reverse, say the opposite of what he just said, and you'll arrive at the truth this is a man who i don't think almost ever now, utters a word that is true. >> are you surprised at all? i mean, given look, there has been a long r& to where we're at now, but just the

complete devotion by the republican party and the republican party now is completely in thrall of him and he is still despite on the evening of january 6, when lindsey graham was saturday at a moment's few hours but it is it is a remarkable i mean, it is an unrecognizable party to anybody who grew up in the time of ronald reagan i am surprised that never, i think in my lifetime. so i've been here a bunch of decades now. >> have i seen a moment when self-interest was more problematic than it is right now, that the attention to your own concerns without a recognition of the impact on other people. >> it's so corrosive and yet these republican congresspeople and senators are standing up and saying things. first of all, that they know not to be

true. do you think kristi noem came on? i half-hour gone. cnn and doesn't know that trump is all the things that people say he is gino's. and so does marco rubio. and so do all the people who are bowing before trump. so they're making a short-term calculation, which is it's better for me right now to support donald trump they will suffer to donald trump doesn't have loyalty. he only commands lilly t commands loyalty demands while he doesn't give loyalty. so all these people are so underestimating how pernicious he's going to be in their lives i know he's gonna be pernicious in my life. and as i've said before, i'm not staying around to watch if he gets reelected. >> but most, many people who would feel the same way, i do, don't have a choice and these folks who think they're making the right choice to support donald trump, don't recognize that he is actually they're

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didn't surprise me. >> i was highly disappointed, but i wasn't surprised at all. >> some trump supporters were galvanized and upset over what they viewed as a rigged trial from the start. >> it just maybe angry because why is this even? >> you know, anything to do with what's going on now in oral like we have like so much going on in her worry about this, like climb i feel like justice was just thrown out the window, restores my faith a little bit in the justice system, but other voters we spoke with in nearby war princeton pennsylvania, we're pleased with the outcome i know that there are some people who won't change their mind no matter what they will believe, the things he says, like the judge is corrupted everybody is corrupt except him. of course and i worry about that but i'm i'm hopeful i fell that the the jury did their job they

actually student to me, they turn out to be a hero of the day. we spoke to all of these voters in bucks county. one of the all important suburban collar counties. surrounding philadelphia president biden, won bucks by about four points, roughly 17,000 votes the margin here crucial in the critical swing state that president trump lost in 2020 by just over 80,000 votes i know it's coming everybody knew was coming really. >> yeah. you can't escape the mousetrap every time. >> rudolph richardson is undecided, he thinks the conviction actually made trump more relatable. >> and while he says he voted for biden in 2020, he's still not sure who will vote for in november could you imagine voting for someone who has been convicted of felonies judge i'll never judge. >> so the law if you do write pathway, if you do it, you're going to save you do. i'm more

straightforward. if you're going to do what you say, you're going to do then that's it. that's the horse you got to go with now, anderson, we ask these voters if they thought this conviction would change anyone's mind heading into november. and frankly, most of them said no, the trump's supporters, we spoke with said that they're more dug in now than they were before the biden supporters that we spoke with said that they were skeptical that this conviction would shake up the race at least in pennsylvania and that one undecided voter that we spoke with said this is still not his biggest issue. the thing that will drive him to the polls and we'll make him support one or the other in november it's still the economy. >> all right. >> riemann, thanks very much. are you enten joins us now with data from the new poll on the verdicts impacts so what, what does this show? i think danny and his interviews that he took out pretty much give you a pretty decent idea that this is not going to be something that totally shakes up the race, right? this is not something that's going to launch biden to attend point late. or trump to it ten point lead. >> but this election anderson is so close to even the slightest smallest change can

make all the difference in the world. >> so take a look that ipsos poll now and compare it to where we were pre conviction and what do we see? we see that now, joe biden leads in that poll among registered voters by two points. now that's within the margin of error. that's not a major change. hinge from the tie that we saw before the conviction took place, but i done the cross tabs a little bit, you know, i love digging into those costs have cross crosstabs. it's the thing that gets us each and every time i know you love doing it too. it's a great thing on a friday night and i saw on those cross tabs was that will republicans were very much sticking with trump and democrats were very much sticking with joe biden. there did seem to be some movement, a tiny bit of movement among independents. and that was slightly shifting the race towards joe biden. and i know that there was another poll that also came out that showed perhaps slight movement towards biden. again, the keyword here, slight but still movement, nonviolent fundraising for the trump campaign. and we heard that number floating around that how much they've raised since, you that $35 $35,000,000 figure, i believe was what they were putting out. that is they say that's nearly are about twice

as much as the prior record. so clearly crime does pay for the former president at least when it comes to fundraising. but that's not a big shocker to me, anderson, because that's something we've seen before. look at the big trump fundraising day so far, what do they all have in common? they all have to do with crime or being in court. you go back last year, the new york arraignment, right? you go back last year that fulton county that georgia mug shot. and now today or yesterday, what we saw again was another thing involving donald trump and the courtroom, big fundraising. and this is something i think a lot of people need to get through their heads earlier on this year, there was all this talk about this joe biden fundraising advantage will last month donald trump and the rnc outrage the democrats and joe biden. this is probably could be another month, may, another month where donald trump is able to outrage joe biden, money it's probably not going to be the difference in this election. the fact is both parties are going to have a lot of money to compete come november. and how we're voters overall viewing the strong, yeah so you have all that stuff showing republicans, you know,

being coming out, being motivated, raising all that money for donald trump. >> and then you saw that first slide, right? that slight movement towards joe biden, and you kinda go okay, those kind of see maybe a little bit in contradiction. what here's the thing, donald trump has command said this trial is a sham, right? it's a fraud. all this stuff. but what do the american people overall thing, not just republicans and what do we see they say by a slight majority that they believe that the court system in new york upheld the rule of law a, enormity of 46% believe it was politically motivated to hurt donald trump at the fact that most americans on this particular point think that the court probably made the right call her anton. thanks very much. thank you. next, remembering michelle obama's mother, marion robinson, who has died at the age jd six. we'll be right back why choose asleep numbers, swipe bad? >> can it keep me warm when i'm cold? >> wait, no, i'm always hot. >> sleep number. does that can i make my side softer?

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us are quite sure how exactly will move on. on without her. michelle obama rights on social media. my mom, marion robinson was my rock, always there for whatever i needed when the obama is moved into the white house. so did she in 2012 essay in essence magazine, mrs. robinson wrote that her job there was the easiest one of all get to be grandma more now on her life and legacy from randy k married robinson was a fixture alongside the first family, often referred to as barak and michelle obama's secret weapon. i want my mommy to stand up this is the woman who keeps me grounded, who stays at home with my girls and make sure that they're okay. i love you in a statement after her passing, the former president and first lady wrote marion robinson had a deep understanding that the world's roughest edges could always be sanded down with a little grace they said she instilled in them, don't sweat the small stuff and know what's truly precious.

>> marion robinson was one of seven children and grew up on the south side of chicago. robinson study to become a teacher before working as a secretary, according to the family's statement about her passing? she married frasier robinson and had two children, craig and michele, according to her family, she taught her children to read at an early age, took them to drive in movies and taught them to believe in the power and worth of their own voices. in 2008, robinson had a front row seat to history when her son-in-law, barak obama became president and her daughter, first lady of the united states on election night, she was right there holding barack obama's hand. soon she said goodbye to the south side of chicago and moved to the white house, taking on the role of what she called first grandmother her husband had passed away in 1991. here's what marion robinson told the boston globe at the time. doing it. but i really want to do it not even a job

with these kids had been better as the obamas noted in their statement, we needed her the girls needed her, and she ended up being our rock through at all. >> and she seemed to embrace her new role. there was the white house easter egg roll the kennedy center honors, and a certain celebrity came with it too. she and michelle obama graced the cover of essence magazine and she had the chance to travel the world with her daughter. this photo is from their trip to south africa. according to her family, over their eight years in washington, are the only person robinson asked to meet was the pope after the white house, marion robinson returned to chicago. her family wrote today, we are comforted by the understanding that she has returned to the embrace of her loving frazier, that she's pulled up her tv tray next to his recliner that they're clinking their high ball glasses as she's catching him up with a stories about this wild beautiful ride. marion robinson was 86 joining me now

by phone is david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama, is now a cnn senior political commentator. david, i mean how are you remembering mrs. robinson tonight? i mean, i think she made an impression on so many americans during her toe goodness and everybody who was, who worked for him in the white house and i worked with him was his friend before that the word that michelle used is such an important word grounded. i've never met someone who is more centered, grounded unflappable she didn't didn't say much when she was in around the political people and so on. but there was the sense of sort of wisdom about her. she raised these magnificent kids on a south sayyed of chicago, went on to princeton and harvard law

and business school and did amazing things in the world and her fraser was someone who had ms but worked in at the water filtration plant in chicago for 37 years and they are just splendid examples. and you just felt that solidity all the time. i will tell you the last time i saw her anderson, she came to an event at the institute of politics that i found at the university of chicago pizzas or the white house photographer was displaying some of the photos that he had taken in the white house and she was there with a friend in the front row and when it was done all these young people sort of gathered around her and she was imparting all of this homespun wisdom about life to them in honestly never heard talk so much. i heard her say to one of these kids, this is so much

fun. they never let me talk when i was in washington so it was she was a great, great percent one of the things that i really appreciated about her was she was completely resistant to the glitz and glamour of the white house. she had very little interest in it she didn't really participate that much in all of that. she didn't gawk at the stars. are she she used it, would it actually was a source of concern because she would wander out of the white house by herself and just wander around washington with friends and she wanted to lead a normal life. and as soon as she could, she got back to the south side of chicago where she had spent her entire life other than those years in washington. but the years that she spent there were so important, the obamas could not have done what they did without her. and you look at asha and malia, their daughters. and what magnificent young women they are. that's a

lot of mrs. robinson. and that just loving care that she devoted to them in the same kind of guidance that she poured into michelle and craig just a sheet. she's just a magnificent person and had a wonderful life and she she will be missed as somebody who's raising kids who who's don't have a grandma because she she got a couple of years ago before they were born. i was thinking of vowed, i'm just wasn't extraordinary thing what in front of your blessing for the obamas to have mrs. robinson there when they were on the road or couldn't make it to dinner or whatever it was to have that maternal role for the kids and maybe even for personal mama who lost his mom. i know long before obviously he won the white house yeah. >> well, i think that relationship was really

interesting. barack obama was sort of rootless when he came to chicago. he was looking for roots and he found it in the robinson family and mrs. ross as you pointed out, a his mother died quite young. his father, as was not really a part of his life and michelle's family became his family and mrs. robinson was mother to him as well. and their relationship was very, very close she meant a lot to him and i know he to her she was the center. she was quiet. she didn't impose herself, but somehow she was as michelle said, the rock that everybody looked look to, our thoughts are with the family tonight, david rohde. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> just ahead. more breaking news, president biden, today detailing new ceasefire proposal between israel and hamas might end the fighting and free the hostages and hamas suggest responded details in

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hostages to come home for israel to be secure. the suffering to stop it's time for this war to end for the day after, two began joined now by or political in foreign policy analyst barak ravid, is this realistic at all? i think the chances for this deal to go forward are not high, but they're definitely there. meaning, when you look at the hamas proposal from a few weeks ago and when you look at the current israeli proposal that biden laid out in his speech today the a lot of differences. there are some differences, but they're not very big. and this is why i think that if, if you managed to get the parties into the negotiation table it is not far-fetched that you can get a deal what do you think is the main sticking point? what where's the difference then

the difference is word-smithing. >> that's that to be honest, and it's focused on the fact of how do you describe how you describe the kind of ceasefire that will take hold in gaza is this the end of the war? is this a cessation of hostilities? is this sustainable calm? it depends who you ask. if you ask hamas, that's the end of the war. if you ask the israelis, this is just a long ceasefire. if that's us, this is a sustainable calm, or cessation of hostilities at the end of the day, what happened was that in the last few weeks, the israeli position came much closer to hamas position and right now, israel says it is willing to go for a cessation of hostilities in gaza. this is much, much closer to anything israel agreed until today, and much closer to what hamas wants. >> i mean, hamas for a long time, it has returning civilians or returning some

dead active males of military age that has been a big sticking point netanyahu said in a statement or his office said in a statement, the war went on and until all its goals are achieved, including the return of all our hostages, the elimination of hamas military and governmental capabilities does that wording is that any different than how the wording from when this war began, the military and governmental capabilities i think what is different is the next sentence in netanya statement and the next sentence said that the current israeli proposal for a hostage deal enables or allows israel to achieve exactly those goals. meaning, what was interesting in netanyahu's statement after biden speech, he did not attack the speech. he confirmed that everything biden said was basically these rarely position and he did not push back. i think it was very intere