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this is cnn. the world's news this is gps, the global public square. >> welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live for from new york today on the program president biden outlines a plan for a seat it's spire in gaza, a full and complete ceasefire, and suggests benjamin netanyahu was prolonging the war to stay in power what will it take for israel and hamas to reach a truce i will ask richard haas and in a dramatic shift, biden issued and second of action this week capping the number of migrants who can seek asylum at the us-mexico border. will this help him politically, or is it too late? talk to the new yorkers, jonathan blitzer also

this week, mexicans elected their first female president who will likely continue the policies of the populous leader amlo i'll dig into what it means and what worries the political analysts, denise wrestle plus i'll dr. richard sharma about what he says has gone badly wrong with capitalism but first here's my take indian commentators are running out of adjectives to describe the election results in the world's largest democracy surprising shocking stunning among others the results have diverge sharply from most predictions including those of exit polls. and of prime minister narendra modi, who confidently declared that his party would win 370 seats and his coalition with scale 400 in the end, his party, the bjp, got 240, and his coalition

to 92 the indian stock market crashed as the result, struggling but markets can be wrong. this could well turn out to be good news for india politically and even economically why did modi lose so much ground? one important reason was many opposition parties came together and projected one common candidate as the face of their alliance, which meant the anti bjp vote did not splinter the bjp's share of the total number of votes in this election, 37%, was roughly the same as in the last one. yet this time it translated into 63 fewer seats in parliament voters also seem to have wanted to personally rebuked the prime minister at least 20 of his ministers lost their elections. modi's own victory in his parliamentary constituency was surprisingly narrow. his race ranked 116th of the 200 bjp victories by

margin among the lowest ever for a sitting prime minister. the party even lost in a yeoja, the town where modi had built a massive new tempo on the side of a mosque that was torn down. and inaugurated with great fanfare just months before the election the results of most remarkable considering the many advantages that modi head, he's the incumbent prime minister. his party massively outspent the opposition using an election financing schemes. so blatantly one-sided that even india's often compliant courts eventually shut it down the agency charged with promoting government policies spent millions on ads with modi's face on them reminding indians of bodhi is guarantees that the economy would saw and their lives would be improved. many government benefits in india from vaccine cards, two bags of grain come with modi's beaming smile, as if they were personal gifts from a generous benefactor in addition,

opposition politicians were investigated by tax authorities, the leader of the opposition was unseated from his parliamentary seat to chief ministers, the equivalents of governors of states in america were jailed and opposition party funds were frozen to make it virtually impossible for them to operate or travel and yet, india's voters, many of them still poor, poorly educated, than vulnerable. one in four for my illiterate voted for checks and balances for limits to power, and against the excessive cult-of-personali ty during the campaign, modi campaign with the pump and ceremony of a monarch even claiming that his birth was not a biological event. implying that it had spiritual origins india's voters seem to have reminded him that he is human under modi's rule, india's economy has boomed. but it's democratic institutions have

suffered badly all three independent and widely respected ngos that assess country's democratic levels have downgraded india dramatically documenting abuses of authority decline in independent press and politicized judiciary and independent agencies the fact that so many indians appear to have lived to pollsters and the exit polls tells you that they probably feared reprisals but now modi faces an emboldened opposition state governments that will stand up to him more strongly. and a media and civil society that might even be willing to push back against governmental power and abuse investors in business when have been most worried by the election results. they see modi is pro-business with a good track record on the economy. and they loved the idea of a strong leader that they are short developing country needs to prosper but they are wrong the country that first broke

out of the ranks of the developing world and became a rich country, was post-world war ii, japan it did so under a series of colorless prime ministers to other economies that had breakneck growth over the last six decades, greater than even china over that long run, are south korea and taiwan. for most of that time, they have also had blend leaders who taiwan for most of that time, they have also had blend leaders who just muddled through india's own seismic economic reforms took place under a coalition government headed by an unknown prime minister, narrow somehow row, who only got the job because the congress party leader rajiv gandhi had been assassinated the prior bjp leader at el bihari vajpayee, who presided over a strong growth, also headed a coalition in fact, since 1989 coalition governments have been the norm in india, one to which it appears to be returning average income growth under the last

coalition government headed by manmohan singh was actually slightly higher than during modi's tenure in office many sophisticated observers of the world, often lord strong men who run poorer countries, who can build roads and get things done. >> but the average indian voters seems to instinctively understand that in the long run pluralism cooperation, diversity are all india's distinctive features and its enduring advantage to cnn.com slash free for linked to my washington post column this week and let's get started last week, president biden called on israel and hamas to accept a oh minutes ceasefire deal. nine days later. however, a deal appears elusive. on saturday, israel rescue four

hostages in an operation in central gaza, engaging in heavy bombardment that gaza hospital officials say killed more than 270 palestinians meanwhile, netanyahu is struggling to hold his coalition government together and discontent around his handling of the war. >> so is a path to peace still possible, joining me to discuss his richard house or former director of policy planning at the state department? >> and the president emeritus of the council on foreign relations richard welcome so tell us what you think is going on because you were just in israel, you met with everybody there from prime minister netanyahu down president biden presented this deal and pointed out that this was israel's proposal to hamas but bibi netanyahu seems to be not quite distancing himself, but not accepting the de lai though. >> what is going on in his head?

>> i think what is going on in the prime minister's head fareed is what i would call a sequential approach. he believes what israel needs to continue doing is to go after hamas to quote unquote, destroy it eliminate it. i don't believe that's possible. it is, however possible degraded, militarily, but he wants to do that first and he really doesn't want to talk about what comes after in gaza and the west bank or anything, or anything else. and secondly, as things to ultimately begin to wind down in gaza, which is not to be confused with peace but, i, think the intensity of the military operations will soon wind down. you haven't israeli prime minister who is increasingly turning his gaze to the north to what to do about another iranian group in this case. his bulla, all of which to say is i don't see the pieces of the elements of peace there and, every once in awhile we've got to listen to what officials say in this

case, the israeli national security adviser, who said he expected the war in gaza to continue through the end of this calendar year so what that suggests is that more israeli operations and the idea would be to what at some point declare victory because what president biden said was, look, you've degraded hamas to the point where it cannot abide by any stretch, launch an operation such as it did take the win as it were. >> and let's talk about a post-war alternative to hamas rule in gaza. why is that are not attractive? obviously, it's dark, there's one part of it which is it's not attractive domestically, politically to the prime minister. is that all it is well that's, that's a big part of it for read that if you begin to pivot to the day after that, it raises some difficult questions about what israel is prepared to du, as to the

future of gaza or the future of the west bank. >> and that has real potential to bring down this government, which is the last thing this prime minister wants to do, given the political uncertainty and his legal vulnerability, what i think so interesting about the last couple of days though, and this rate is nothing that happened in this rescue of the four hostages changes any of this this was a tactical success for israel. it was impressive. what was accomplished, although as there's a pointed out, obviously it came at considerable cost in lives but but it doesn't change any of the basics in terms of what is the definition of success in gaza and how do you make a transition from having militarily reduce the the competence or capabilities of hamas and translating that into something political. because the last thing israel, i would assume wants to see is the reconstitution of hamas. but in order to prevent that, you've got to have someone else

provides security in gaza and you've got to have somebody else other than hamas provide political direction provide an economic environment where people can prosper. so if you don't want hamas and you don't want israeli occupation, you need something else presumably with palestinians and arabs. but this israeli government for exactly the reasons you say can't allow that to happen. so what you have is almost putting off, it keeps pushing off the question of what comes next and what about hamas? is it is there any prospect if it would accept the deal? i don't see exactly why are you in if it did accept a deal that would be a short-term deal. but why would hamas sign onto something where essentially the entire logic of the policy is to eliminate their role in gaza's future i don't see that they're prepared to do that i don't see that they're prepared to give up all the hostages because again, that gets rid of their,

their principal piece of leverage. so i don't see hamas as a partner for serious peace talks. here. again, i keep coming back to the same point for it, and i think it's probably one you share that israel has done some real work at degrading hamas. but you can't beat something with nothing in order to beat hamas politically. you've got to introduce another element here, the saudis, the uae, and the other arab governments are willing to do it going, to need some role for the palestinian authority. president biden made it clear that the united states will be a partner. but in these israel to, to pivot to that, to that place but it's unwilling to. so i think what we're likely to see sorry to sound so downbeat this morning i think what we're likely to see is the war in gaza continue for some time albedo at a lower level, you may see more attempts to rescue hostages. it

won't. there's no way to physically get the most of the hostages out. it would only come politically. so i think we're looking at a probably a long hello grind. in gaza. and as i said before, where you could see increased conflict, intense military operations might be in the north and lebanon a sobering assessment thank you, richard haas we will be back with biden's border moves and what they mean russia for trying to spy on us. we were spying on them this is a secret, war. >> secrets and spies tonight at ten on cnn have heart failure with unresolved symptoms. it may be time to see the bigger picture heart failure in seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious yes

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issued an executive action this week that will prevent migrants of the us, mexico border from seeking asylum. >> once border crossings reaches seven-day average of 2,500 per day. biden said he had no choice but to take action after congressional republicans blocked legislation that had significant border restrictions and he's acting on his own to gain control of the border immigration issues have become a primary concern for voters in this year's election. here to talk about the new restrictions, is the new yorkers, jonathan blitzer, who has a new book on america is immigration crisis everyone who is gone is here. the united states, central america, and the making of a crisis jonathan, welcome. so what i want to sort of start with use, when we think of illegal immigration, we think of all these people furtively crossing the border in the old days said the 1980s. >> and we think of asylum is something different, with a few people are persecuted jews in

the soviet union or people like that as a few thousand applications how is it that we have these two things seem to have gotten conflated. >> now you have hundreds of thousands of people coming across and asking for asylum. when did all this start yeah. >> i mean, the the sort of short answer is all through the 1980s when the us first created the asylum program enshrining it in american statute. you had civil wars raging in central america and the us was deeply involved. and what was happening there. it was trying to limit the spread of communism. and as a result, it was supporting repressive regimes that were driving hundreds of thousands of people people away from the country and away from the violence. and so even from the very beginning, you saw american foreign policy in stark tension with the principles of asylum and the idea that the us legally is going to extend protection to people who are being persecuted. the consequences of years of neglect and disregard for what the asylum program was supposed

to entail meant that by the time you get into the early 2000s and the 2010s, you start to see large numbers of people primarily from central america showing up at the southern border king protection. the us for all of the money it had poured into the border over the years, had never actually anticipated that that many people would show up seeking protection legally, they had the right to the us, had the obligation to extend them protections, but there wasn't the infrastructure in place to do it. >> so because the immigration system it's sort of paralyzed immigration reform is paralyzed people figured out. here's a bath. >> we have right? to stay in the country when trump weaponized it in 2015, was he referring to the asylum immigration? i mean, all of the above. >> i think the kind of political innovation patient of trump on a rhetorical level was to conflate what was happening at the border and images that seems to people like images of chaos and disorder to conflate all of that with him. regression generally and with

the legal immigration system. and it proved an alarmingly effective instrument that's a very, very important point where what trump did was to take the fact that the asylum system had broken down and turn it into immigration is out of control because actually immigration america is not out of control. we have a fairly to orderly process. you can argue the mix of skills-based and family might not be right, or it should be expanded or whatever. but you know, as as an immigrant as have a slow plodding but fairly systematic process. >> i would say a corollary of that is the fact that the asylum system has essentially had to answer for the failures of the wider immigration mission system. asylum was never designed to be just a vehicle for people to come to the united states for work to reunite with families and so on. it was designed specifically to help people who are persecuted based on their identity. but what's happened in washington has been that no one is able to who span the partisan divide on immigration as a result, the wider legal

immigration system hasn't been updated since the very least 1990. and so you have people who do have very legitimate and urgent reasons to come to the united states who don't have legal avenues and so they're taking their chances at the border and we're in this perfect circle will what biden has done make a difference? >> what he's basically saying is you can't just show up here and apply for asylum. you have to do it from your home country, or you've got to do it from mexico. there's got is that fair? >> roughly what he's trying to do. there is a specific logic to what biden administration is trying to do. it is trying to incentivize migrants to go to what are called ports of entry. these are points along the us-mexico border that are staffed by border agents that have minimal facilities for processing people so to the administration's way of looking at it, if they can direct people to show up at these ports of entry and to seek asylum there. then the system will be at least somewhat more orderly than if people cross irregularly between ports of entry. >> and will it work politically

in european, i mean, this is the whole issue here is the republicans, this is the number one issue igniting the republican base as far as i can. yeah. yeah one of the challenges has been all along. >> how the biden ministration walks this line. if on the one hand making the case that look, we are ready to be tough at the border and congressional republicans are blocking us and at the same time i'm trying to take action because they're the government in charge. it's obviously an extremely controversial issue in an election year, the polling is really quite bruising for the president on the matter. >> to my mind, it's sort of an unwinnable battle for biden. >> if he's only going to try to demonstrate that he's been taught without simultaneously making the case for humanity, for pragmatism, for legal limit in that, in that's in the legislation that's proposed, but that all gets turned down by the republicans on its troops dead on arrival. that's true. that's true it's legitimate bind.

>> i have to say, i mean, what what initially prompted that legislative push back in the winter was the fact that the biden ministration requested significant amount of money to help manage these increases in arrivals at the southern border in congress wouldn't appropriate the money and so the biden administration is in quite a difficult position because the primary mechanism for dealing with this legitimately complex situation at the border is for congress to act and congress won't act we get a lot of heat on this subject. i think you've given us a lot of light, which is unusual, jonathan. thank you so much. thanks for having next on gps from us border politics to politics south of the border, mexico just had a big election. i will talk to an expert who's worried about the the result because of what it will mean for the fate of that country's democracy the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't we hire the president and the former president one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live

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democracy. explain what you mean. >> well, more than nar and claudia sheinbaum won by a landslide with 60% of the votes, leaving the opposition in the dust. and this was a mandate for what andres manuel lopez obrador promoted throughout his presidency and led him to campaign with and for claudia sheinbaum on the one hand, the election was a reflection of material benefits. increases in the minimum wage cash transfers to the poor, and a manager station of a very unequal society that feels that this president, newly elected, and the previous one have actually listened to the people but what the election has done is put mexico in a situation or consolidate the situation that has been

over the last several years of democratic erosion where socioeconomic rights win a majority and political and economic rights that one associates with a functional democracy crissy will probably be eliminated. the plan on which cloudy, ashamed campaigned was for example, popular vote. four justices of the supreme in court, popular vote for all of the councilors of the autonomous electoral institute. the permanent militarization of mexico, which has increased under president lopez this obrador. so basically the elimination of checks and balances on a party that has now become a hedge of monic party and the argument is that these are the obstacles in the way of him being able to provide even more large asked, right? >> it's a it's a populist argument that i i can solve all these problems if you get rid of all these institutions and all these other checks and

balances on me that a blocking my way yes. >> the argument is all of those institutions are an obstacle. there are legacy from neil liberal elitist oligarchical will rule a democracy that only served elites and those checks and balances have impeded lopez rather from carrying out his true agenda. >> i'm low and now it seems that his successor are giving more and more power than used to be held by civil authorities please, by local police, by the police. to the army. and when we think of the army's certainly the case that we've famously a former defense minister, being arrested by the usda because it was so corrupt and so in cahoots with the drug cartels this doesn't seem like a good idea if you're trying to fight these drug cartels, why is the army being given so much power well, this is one of the reasons why some of us have

argued that mexico's incipient democracy is truly under threat now because as you well know, democracy and militarization du, not coexist the only countries that give hundreds of activities that used to be in the hands of civilians to the military that basically acts as a parallel governance with no civilian control, are countries that are authoritarian regimes militarization in mexico started in the 2000, but lopez obrador accelerated the pace to a degree that is unprecedented in mexican history the military today runs businesses, controls, the air face 18 airports, ports, immigration. >> and i think that lopez obrador delegated so much power to the military because he wanted to do away with civilian institutions. these actually cut the size of the mexican state finally, it seems to me that the united states has decided that it needs mexico to

manage its southern border. and that lopez obrador has been reasonably willing to do that and that as a result, whether it's trump or biden the united states is not in any way pushing back on this democratic decay. would that be fair? >> that would be a correct interpretation. i think that president biden's son sold his soul to the devil he made the same packed with lopez rather that trump did, which was remains silent on democratic erosion and mexico, for the sake of mexico acting de facto as a border patrol, a policeman containing mexican and venezuelan nicaraguan, central american immigration to the to the united states it's particularly in an era in which immigration has become one of

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symbolize the heroism this war, like many others, that fell in a hole, i should come. >> all the commanders of the ideas come on. you've been listening to the israeli war cabinet minister benny gantz. there in this announcement he says, true victory is to bring the hostages home. however, he was critical of netanyahu's strategy, saying it's time to change the national priority and bluntly said fortunately netanyahu is preventing us from victory therefore, we will leave the emergency government. i think he said with a heavy heart that coming from the war cabinet minister, that hey, gas. so what is next? i've got a team of correspondence also listening in, watching all the latest circumstances and this breaking news cnn's paula hancocks live for us in tel aviv and paul of this coming a day after four hostages were

rescued by the idf in a joint mission. this was a press conference that was scheduled yesterday benny gantz delaying it till today. but very emphatic that he thinks this is the time in which to leave that's right, fred. >> and as you so we were expecting this resignation on saturday, but it has come this sunday and he has said that israel should not put up with empty hamas's and that he has to resign from the emergency government calling on the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to call elections. so he is being very critical as he has been, that the israeli prime minister, this is something that was expected. it is something that on saturday the prime minister netanyahu had tweeted and had austin not to leave the emergency government saying now is the time for unity. but what we

heard just a few weeks ago last month, benny gantz, the fourth former defense minister, and war cabinet member up until a few moments ago saying that there had to be certain conditions met by netanyahu for him to continue you to work within this emergency government. he says, there needs to be a plan, a decisive plan to get the hostages back from gaza. there needs to be a hey, after plan for what is the strategy once the war ends in gaza and also there needs to be a planted, too quiet and down the northern border. so tens of thousands of israeli he residents could move back to their homes there that they'd had to evacuate for the last eight months. now, we know that those conditions have not been met and this is what we yeah. hearing from gantz's side. so this is why he has decided to withdraw from that government. so what does this mean immediately? it doesn't mean the coalition government fails, it doesn't collapse. we know that netanyahu's still has a

majority in this government, but it is a much slimmer majority at this point. what it does mean though, is that netanyahu is now more isolated, both domestically and internationally. he has some very the far-right elements within his government and without the counterweight to that, which was gantz and his national unity party potentially those far-right elements now have more power within this coalition and just one more note, we do know that us officials had approached gantz and his team trying to persuade him not to leave effectively, according to officials, familiar with those conversations because they're concerned what this does and what this means. for the potential hostage deal and ceasefire deal that's set the us and others are trying to push through at this point and paula, even the brand i minister netanyahu had also publicly asked gaps not to leave his post when there were

rumblings and that's what that announcement was going to be yesterday. >> course now, we're seeing it happened today. so now, what now for a potential replacement well one. >> key position that gantz actually held was very influential. he was part of a close-knit war cabinet. there's three main members of that war cabinet. it was gantz, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, and the defense minister yoav gallant. a third of that war cabinet has now been disbanded. so the concern of course is that this now gives a stronger voice to those more right-wing elements in the coalition we know that benny gantz is popular here in israel. he certainly has support in the united states, for example, he did a trip to washington and met with officials there they do see him as a counterweight to these more far-right elements within

this coalition. but what we've been hearing interestingly, you went to the protests last night, saturday night. it's a weekly protests calling for netanyahu to resign and they weren't really calling for gantz to pull out hoping that coalition would fail. fred all i will check back with you. >> let me bring in doubt priscilla alvarez who is in wilmington, delaware. the president president biden it is expected to return soon from his trip from overseas and france. so priscilla, we just heard from polo who said, you know, members of the biden administration, we're trying to purge gantz to stay put. he's made his announcement that he's on his way out. so how might this resignation? potentially impact the relationship that the us has with israel well, the concern among us officials until this point was that his departure could jeopardize the deal, that hostage deal that they have

been trying to secure. >> and as you heard, that u.s. missiles had privately urged men against not to leave again, making the case that if he did a could have that impact on this deal that they have been working around the clock to try to reach to release hostages and also stop the fighting in gaza. now, of course, us officials have said that while they've done that they weren't the it's telling him what to do. but benny gantz has been in touch with you as visuals. he is visited washington in march. he met with vice president kamala harris national security adviser, jake sullivan to talk about the day after planning to talk about the ceasefire deal and after president biden outline hi, and that three-phase proposal, just a couple of weeks ago, there were questions as to whether that would be enough, whether that would suffice to keep benny gantz in government. and now we have that answer sorry, he is going to be departing. now, we have reached out to the white house for their comment. now that this decision has been

made, and announced, the president of course, is currently on his way back from france. we expect him here and wilmington, delaware later today. >> bread. >> okay. >> thank you so much. priscilla alvarez. appreciate that. let's go to cnn has been wiedemann now joining us from beirut so ben, the palestinian ministry with health saying that raid yesterday, they did result in the rescue of four hostages they also claim that it is it was the deadliest stay in gaza since this conflict began. what more do we know about what happened and how much of the deal? tales about the raid impacted the decision potentially of a benny gantz's resignation actually i have no idea how that impacted his decision to leave, but what we know is that this raid took place at a time when the streets in the nuseirat refugee

camp in central gaza, were full of people and the death toll, as we know, is the highest in gaza. >> daily death toll since the 10th of december last year. now, when you conduct this sort of raid in broad daylight, when people are out out in the street, you need to get in and you need to get out. and it appears that the israelis used maximum firepower to make sure that the road out are the root out was as clear as possible. to get the troops and the high the four hostages out. no, hamas is claiming and they've put out a video that didn't provide very much in the way of evidence claiming that three hostages were killed by the israelis. in the course of that operation. and in that video, they claim one of those hostages had american citizenship. now the israelis,

of course are denying that, but we have no way of confirming or denied it. one way the other, given that the israelis and the egyptians aren't allowing international journalists inside of gaza. but obviously this is an operation yesterday that is being widely condemned in the region as a result of the high death toll. also, keeping in mind that when there was a ceasefire at the end of november 105 hostages were freed without any loss of lice life here here yesterday, we saw four hostages released as the loss of 274 palestinians, according to the gaza the ministry of health, fredricka all right. >> and then ben just given you're familiarity with the region reporting in that region for very long in time, when you hear the arguments about the

high cost of civilian life during that raid, of the more than 200 70 that it's a result of hamas using them as human shields. at the same time, the flip side of that argument is, it's a very condensed area and so there is the coexistence of members of hamas and civilians. and so this is the consequence of that. can you paint a clear clearer picture? about that dynamic well, i mean the fact of the matter is that hamas the members of hamas do not come from mars. >> they are part of palestinian society. many of them, according to studies militants within hamas, are children who've lost one of their parents as a result of israeli operations and therefore, they are just a part of the society and also keep in mind that given the fact that gaza is a very it's smaller area with a

very high population. there's no such thing as a military facilities separate from civilian housing. i mean, it's all mixed up together there are no military bases in gaza. everybody lives together. it's a very crowded place, so sure certainly the israelis are saying that hamas is using civilians as human shields when it comes to its placement of the hostages. but oftentimes because of the way, i mean, for instance, here in lebanon, hostages were also held. people did not know that hostages on the people living on the third third floor didn't know that the hostages were being held on the fourth floor of a building. it's all very secret, so it's hard to say how israel could have conducted this operation without killing so many civilians. on the other hand,

hamas, as i said, is part of the society it's imbedded in the society fredricka. then wiedemann. thank you so much. and upper show alvarez at the top, as well as paula hancocks. appreciate it. >> all right. we'll continue following this breaking news much more right up to this smile you found it the feeling of findings, psoriasis can't feel filter out the real you. >> so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only so tick to a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis and the chance that here are almost clear skin, it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up, are finding you don't have to hide your skin. just your background once daily. so check two was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill oh, don't take if you're allergic to so take too serious reactions can occur. so ticked, you can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb, serious infections, cancers including lymphoma, muscle problems and changes in certain labs have occurred. tell your

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