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god oh, my god. >> two shark attacks in two hours on one stretch of beach in florida and hunter biden's federal gun trial nearing an end. >> well, the president's son, take the stand all right, 6:00 a.m. here in washington, alive. >> look at the white house on this bright nearly summer morning here in washington. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt it's wonderful to have you with us we begin with that stunning hostage rescue operation in gaza. and the deadly consequences the israeli military freeing for captives from the grip of hamas on saturday watched this video that the israeli military just released this video is edited and it appears to show israeli forces so as escorting rescued

hostages toward military helicopters on saturday, those for israelis now reunited with their families and beginning the recovery from months of captivity. among those freed, 26-year-old noa argamani, her abduction during the october 7 attack was captured on tape. you may remember seeing get at the time, noa screamed for help as she was forced by hamas members onto the back of a motorcycle and driven into gaza. she would spend the next eight months there. >> the rescue operation marks the deadliest day of the war in six months, at least 274 people killed, hundreds more injured according to gazan health officials the israeli military is disputing those numbers. >> they claim the casualty count was quote, under 100. cnn cannot independently verify the death toll and we don't know how many of those were civilians. we do know that the hostages were being held in residential homes in a densely populated area. cnn also learning this morning that some idf soldiers disguise

themselves as hamas fighters and displaced palestinians to conduct the raid. let's bring in our panel alaimo plot calibre. she's deaf writer for the atlantic. jonah goldberg, co-founder and editor in chief of the dispatch a new york times journalist, lulu garcia navarro good morning to all of you. thank you so much for being here. joanna, let me start with you on this because this raid pre-stage, some turmoil, political turmoil in israel that also played out over the weekend with benny gantz resigning. >> clearly, it also highlighted this raid. >> some of the tactics that hamas has been using in the course of the conduct of this war. >> yeah, i mean, what would you say tactics, sleep, and highlighting the reason why the casualties are as high? i don't believe the hamas health ministry and they keep you and keeps revising down their numbers and there's always, you should never trust them immediately after any operation. but the same time, a lot of innocent people died. and the reason a lot of the dozen people died because, because they hide hidden these hostages in the middle of

concentrated civilian centers. and when israel tried to rescue them, they got involved in a 360 degree firefight. and the weird reaction from a lot of the international community and the media is simply that sort of how dare israel try to save hostages that were stolen from it? and i don't have a lot of patience for i think what critics are addressing is the fact that israel is one of the most well-funded militaries in the world. >> it is one of the best trained and if the united states military, for example, did array to rescue hostages because and had this high casualty count, there wouldn't simply be applause. it also be congressional hearings. >> and i think a lot of people are concerned and rightly so for the high casualty count, i mean it is important and everyone celebrates the fact that these hostages were rescued. >> but at the same time, palestinian life is equally as valuable. and so people are upset about it, of course, but

how do you look at the reality that there is a ceasefire plan on the table right now, the president biden put out there that would release hostages. it would end the fighting, it would prevent a lot of what the carnage we are seeing and we are waiting on hamas right now we're not only waiting on hamas well, so waiting on the israeli government, i mean, this is a two-way street bibi netanyahu has also shown himself to be less willing to engage in some of the some of the planning for this ceasefire. >> and we now see that benny gantz and has resigned simply because he has no more patients with the leadership of bibi netanyahu. we've also seen the israeli public have very little patience with the leadership of bibi netanyahu. and on your show, we even heard hostage family members say that they want this ceasefire to go forward and they feel the israeli right and the hard-right, which is part of the bibi netanyahu government,

isn't actually playing ball with this. so i think it actually makes a ceasefire less likely that benny gantz is pulled out, then more likely because now bibi netanyahu is beholden to the very right flank of his own government. >> let's take a look at what benny gantz had to say. this is of course in hebrew mean it's, it's translated when he, again the sort of further to the left. so in the center portion of this war cabinet that as lulu outlined, may end up pushing things farther to the right. let's watch what gantz had to say it's only me regrettably netanyahu is preventing us from advancing toward true victory, which is the justification for the ongoing and painful cost of war that is why we are leaving the emergency government today with a heavy heart, but with full confidence i call on netanyahu, set an agreed election date. >> don't allow our people to get torn apart and of course, gan says comments coming as the administration here in the the us continues to put pressure on

the israeli government to accept to move ahead with this ceasefire and call on hamas to accept it. >> here was jake sullivan, the national security adviser on with us over the weekend, watch ti thinks the best way to get all of the hostages home is in a deal where they're brought out diplomatically, where there's no need for military operations to get every last hostage out. >> what we would much prefer to see is a ceasefire where the hostages come out peacefully. that is available. israel has said yes to it. now hamas needs to say yes to it. that's where president biden's full effort, energy, and attention is so alaina, how is the us government thinking through this at this point there's so many moving parts with this right? >> now. of course, you have secretary blinken in the middle east trying to galvanize netanyahu and the farther right forces to get behind this deal. but what i think the implications of this could mean if bibi netanyahu remains reluctant to kind of push for it as hard as blinken with like

for him to what does this mean for netanyahu's planned joint address to congress? that's supposed to take place later in july. you've already heard nancy pelosi within the last couple of days say that she does not agree with the decision to bring him here for this joint address, and you know, the outcome, i think of these talks could affect how members of congress, especially on the left, are feeling with his presence later this summer, right? >> we're going to talk a lot more about those throughout the hour, but up next here will here won't he all eyes on a hunter biden trial to see if the president's son is going to testify plus a massive landslide forcing a major mountain road food to close details from wyoming that's having yellowstone ahead. and donald trump has an appointment. he can't miss today with his probation officer no third world country has weaponization where they go after political candidates, like we have either the

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future of soda is now in it's called poppy. >> the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max welcome back. >> this morning, donald trump is scheduled to meet virtually with a probation officer for a pre-sentencing interview. as judge juan merchan ways the punishment for the former president's historic hush money conviction in an effort to prepare a pre-sentence report, the probation officer is likely to ask trump about his conviction his employment, and his criminal history. you could even interview family members and friends before next month sentencing but trump campaign assuring everyone in a

statement, quote, president trump and his legal team are already taking necessary steps to challenge and defeat the lawless manhattan da case my panelists back, jonah goldberg, i think i'm a little bit still kind of like wow, i'm really reading a script that says all of these things here in the year of our lord, 2024. >> yeah. all i can think of is the seinfeld were george gss stands at once to keep his girlfriend in prison because it's much easier relationship wise where you notice where she has all the time and he just keeps about telling the probation officer yeah, she could start about getting back to her schemes with the gang just to i don't know. >> you could think you'd see at some that people in trump's orbit might talk to the probation officer in ways that are not convenient to drama. yeah, it's a very strange place. yeah. yeah. >> let's see if our production team can dig that up. we can play it on the way out of this block but i mean, in reality, this is, we're starting to see some of the earliest signs of how this is going to affect things or not. there's a new cvs yougov poll.

>> our official cnn parlance is that this is to close. >> it doesn't show anything one way or the other. but if you compare it to the previous poll, if there's a two-point swing in job biden's direction. do you think that that is significant and not significant. >> i like when we got 146 days or something totally auction i think a lot of this stuff is just going to become fuzzy memory is baked in. i think i actually don't think the fact that he's a felon is the thing that's moving the polls to the extent that they are. i think it's just the reminder of the chaos that he brings. and this is one more example of it that is problematic for people if the elections are referendum on donald trump the polling suggests joe biden win if the elections are referendum on joe biden, the polling suggests donald trump wins. it's very hard for things not to seem like a referendum on donald trump when he's meeting with his probation officer. >> i mean, i think this is a sign of how week president biden is that with all of the problems that we're seeing

with donald trump, i mean, he is a convicted felon i mean, there was just a hush money trial about porn stars and all these things. every time he speaks, you're just hearing over and over again. the same talking points and and this destructive language. and yet the polls are so close. and so i think that really does speak to president biden's weakness and i think what we're seeing is that people are not adverse to the message of the democrats. they don't like the messenger and that's president biden. >> yeah. i'm i'm impressed that last time the two of you were sitting here next time? each other, i think it was a little spark here, but john is not. >> the first time since 2016 where we have two candidates so unpopular, each of them has a chance to lose to the other so alaina we heard from trump over the weekend at this vegas rally. >> and of course the next sort of looming legal issue for trump is going to be his supreme court case. they've got to decide whether he's immune in the january 6 prosecution so

here's what he had to say at trump had to say about jack smith the special counsel overseeing that probe at this rally, watch what they've done is they've weaponized the department of justice. the only thing they didn't understand is that we just had the largest fundraising effort. it a period of one week than anybody has ever had. i did nothing here. we have a deranged individual named jack smith. he's a deranged that dumb guy is at dumb son of a so that's where we are with trump. >> and jack smith's what is, what is your reporting under eychner, you talked to members of congress, et cetera. what do they say to you about how much the january 6 case might make a difference with voters as compared to what we've seen with the manhattan case. >> i haven't heard anything from members of congress or aids that they expect to make a huge difference necessarily. but i think glistening to the

clip of that rally, just confirms when trump went to vegas his sort of isolated efforts to appeal to possibly persuadable voters fuels. so out of place in a way, i don't know if you all remember, but when he was down there, he was trying to appeal to the culinary union to say, you know, once i'm president, i will get rid of taxes on tips and whatnot and the culinary union immediately fires back with a statement. this is a family. we take real candidate seriously not false promises, but just even trying to kind of put forth and advertise a policy proposal fuel so out of place now with the trump, who you see on stage 97% of the time, we should also say the culinary union is hugely democratic organization that campaigns for democrats in the state. >> but nevada is so interesting because of course, is because it's gotten latinos he's trying to appeal to that demographic tina swing towards

trump from latinos especially working class latinos. >> and so the message, i know it sounds frankly a little ridiculous coming from him because he doesn't deal in policy. he deals in emotions and yet, i mean, i think he is finding a more fertile ground even when it's just a small little snip in a longer speech, i will say when i talked to sources about what's going on in nevada, i think that they would not be surprised if trump wins. >> yeah. yeah. fall. all right. coming up next here, the us releasing its first public statement on israel's deadly hostage rescue operation. and two shark attacks in two hours on one stretch of florida beach this is a secret, war. >> secrets and spies sunday at ten on cnn. >> they say we should stop eating so much meat so we made meet out of plants because we aren't quitters impossible. we're solving the meat problem with more meat used for two

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in the gulf of mexico most of the ship and the booster had a successful fourth flight test this weekend it critical highway between idaho and wyoming shut down after part of the road cracked and then collapsed a landslide this weekend, officials say there's no timeline for reopening the past, which is a key route to the grand teton and yellowstone national parks i don't know for, whether more heat and store for multiple states across the west this morning while south florida is bracing for heavy rain and flooding this week, are weatherman derek van dam. has it all for us, derek, good morning. >> good morning. he building once again for millions of americans this time we're focusing our attention on the central valley of california from southern nevada, right through arizona including las vegas and phoenix. in fact, speaking of phoenix, you've had 14 consecutive days where the mercury in the thermometer has climbed above 100 degrees. so what is happening? it is a ridge of high pressure, so that brings out maximum sunshine suppresses the cloud cover, and we get the heat that is going

to soar into triple-digit territory, vegas, palm springs, phoenix, even sacramento. in fact, las vegas, you've had the warmest start to june ever since records have begun since 1937. the other big story coming out of the state of florida korda, you know that you've been in drought conditions for much of the southern half of the peninsula. but watch what's happening this week. go forward. this is the rainfall over the next five days locally up to ten inches across the southwestern portions of the florida peninsula, including naples and fort myers. it's all thanks to an approaching cold front tapping into abundant moisture from the gulf of mexico. and that is going to bring multiple days with the potential of flash flooding. casey, back to you all right. >> derek van dam for us. derrick. >> thank you very much. all right. coming up next here, new details about the rescue of four hostages from gaza and how israeli soldiers pulled it off plus caitlin clark speaking out after being left off, team usa

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war in gaza on saturday, israeli defense forces executed an operation in gaza that freed four hostages from hamas custody. however, at least 274 people were killed according to gazan health officials, the idf disputes those numbers first, they put the number of casualties under 100 and cnn cannot independently verify the death toll. sullivan saying the us was not involved in the operation, but supports israeli efforts to free the hostages we, didn't have any us forces on the ground. united states will support israel and taking steps to try to rescue hostages who are currently being held in harm, held by hamas. and we will continue to work with israel to do that, we will also continue to reinforce the point that all of their military operations, including hostage rescue operation, should take every precaution to minimize the amount of civilian harm cnn's oren liebermann joins me now, live from tel aviv. >> oren. good morning. we're learning new details this

morning about just how this israeli raid unfolded and how the us provided support. what's latest that's right, casey, this is an operation that took weeks of planning according to the israeli military, including hundreds of personnel that includes military intelligence as well as a special police unit for the training that went into this, including the building of mock apartment buildings in which the israeli military believed these four hostages were held in new site on a refugee camp in central gaza, a densely populated area. >> the operation itself carried out in mid de, israel, believing that would give it an element of surprise hi, is that hamas wouldn't believe that israel would do such an operation in midday when the streets were busy, the israeli forces moved in just before noon on saturday again to, to apartment buildings that were fairly close to each other, pulling out these four hostages. a celebration for israel. there was celebration, and joy on the streets of course, politicians, prime minister benjamin netanyahu celebrating a major and very difficult operation. but of

course that operation came at a steep cost as israeli forces extracted the hostages, there were both gun fights and israeli strikes to try to get those hostages out of central gaza. and in that, the palestinian ministry of health in gaza said there's more than 270 palestinians, including women and children, were killed as part of those israeli operations and hundreds more wounded. israel disputes those numbers, saying there we're less than 100 casualties. it's impossible for cnn to be able to verify those, but either one of those numbers or anything in between, frankly, makes it one of the deadliest days in gaza. as we have seen in months. meanwhile, witnesses on the ground see israeli forces moved in in disguise, effectively trying to dress as hamas militants or has displaced palestinians to try to get closer to those apartment buildings where the idf says the hostages were held before the operation itself, the extraction effort unfolded here. now, after the operation here, the us says that rather us official said they helped with intelligence. they

haven't been two specific here. we simply know that ever since the beginning of the war, there has been a us sell here that is worked hand-in-hand with the israelis to try to share whatever intel is out there, to try to push forward a hostage rescue effort. however, as the us has acknowledged the success of the operation, us officials including putting you heard jake sullivan there warning that the right move now is to go to a ceasefire, as well as a hostage deal, putting pressure on both israel and saying now it's up to hamas to act all right oren liebermann for us in tel aviv. >> oren. thank you very much all right. >> let's turn now to 2024. and how immigration policy is shaping the presidential race. new reporting, this morning indicates that as he tries to court swing state latino voters president biden, is considering a second executive action focused on providing legal status for long term undocumented immigrants who are married to american citizens. donald trump was in the key

swing state of nevada over the weekend and he used to always say creative language to criticize biden's first executive order it's week, it's ineffective, it's both. what he signed this word, seems to be catching on a little bit, but in a much more positive way than deplorable i had sorry, i'd take your piece out, clipping and also wonderful that this is now introduced to the political lexicon. i mean, another, another trial trump kept, you know, i have to say i when i first started doing this, i feel like i guess it was covering mitt romney. everything was a little more polite. but that was not that was not the can that was not the can let's talk a little

bit about and we were continuing to talk about this in the break earlier in the show. let's just kinda bring our viewers in on that. the way that nevada is changing. latino voters. in particular, an opportunity for donald trump in a way that some people may not have wrap their heads around, but lulu, it does seem like i'll be honest at this point, it feels like nevada is going to land in trump's column y. >> if nevada land lands in trump's column, it's going to be because of the economy frankly, nevada as a place where you have a lot of working class service workers they are very impacted by high prices. they have been hurt during the pandemic and they are looking for improvements in the economy. and as we know, people are nostalgic about the trump economy pre-pandemic. they think that they did better than and they believe that he would be able to turn the economy around for them now. and so that i think is the main appeal, the mistake. i think people make with latinos is that they think that immigration is the main issue for them. and in fact, that's

not true. what really is important is education is crime, is the economy and those are issues in which donald trump is pulling back at right now. >> i mean, if that's the case, jonah, does that mean that this is a mistake for biden to consider the second executive action that would welcome some people that are here with undocumented status. >> but i think it might be they pay a lot. so maybe they've got some data that we don't know about. but to lose point, it has always been true that hispanic voters, as they move up the socioeconomic ladder become indistinguishable from the median voter people think longtime law republican, so that oh, hispanics just always vote democrat now, for people tended to vote democrat. and as hispanic moved up, the socioeconomic ladder, they tended to look indistinguishabl e from other voters that's changing a little bit because now we're seeing the electric sort along working leinz non-college educated versus college or getting really bizarre gender gaps, stuff that's really sort of solidifying. and blacks and latinos are just following a

little slower behind what's been happening with the white working class, the old fdr coalition has fallen apart part and it's moving right? and the sort of college-educated boudoir parents want to send their kids to college has been moving left. >> there is a caveat here though, which is that even though immigration is not the most important thing for latinos, moseley, he knows have family members who were who came to this country might be undocumented. and so it is an issue that matters. so i do think that actually biden if he is going to do this, which is i think the plan is to give a path to citizenship or at least legality for those who are married to sit us citizens. i think that that actually might have an impact, at least it will distinguish him from trump's stand on this. >> so just don't call people who look like you vermin. if you want to get their vote. there's something there too? >> yes when you talk to democrats about this, they're like that's the distinguishing thing, right? like we're not going to use dehumanizing language to talk about people that that is the thing that donald trump does here, that they really helps us base, i

mean the progressive base actually wants a path to legalization when they talk about comprehensive immigration reform, they mean that yes, there should be border enforcement, but also their needs to be a path to citizenship for those who are in this country legally. >> yeah. and the governor of nevada puts it this way in the new york times this morning, he writes, quote, as the 2024 election inches closer, candidates would be wise to consider the effective their actions on voters every day, lives if recent polling on democratic candidates in nevada is any indication, i think it is. mr. biden has a big problem to overcome nevada's were losing confidence in him to do something meaningful about inflation in housing and their left feeling that he just doesn't get it. >> and we are talking here about broadening out beyond latino nevada and voters. this is just about the state and why it is so essential to this election. recall first that it was a nail-biter in 2020 when joe biden one. so this was never a shoe in for him but lulu, it struck me when you said how these voters correctly, they urine for a

pre-pandemic economy under trump. but i think what biden's challenge is going to be as to remind voters that 2020 was in fact a year that donald trump was president i think when i was just in reno for our panel talking to a lot of voters at the university's campus. there a lot of people were upset still about the closures that they thought harmed the economy, but they were attributing those two biden which i found interesting as of 2020 has been erased from the national memory, is having been indeed a part of trump's presidency. >> yeah, i mean, i think there's sort of a collective desire to erase 2020 from just in general yeah, ginger, a few days president of the united states, but anyway, up next here, a potential new front runner in the mad dash to be donald trump's running mate plus splash mountain is out at the mouth kingdom, the right that will replace it ahead

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she answers questions like that? >> i mean, i always forget that she is just out of college because he carries herself, i think with such dignity with for 22-years-old, it's really it's really impressive. >> all right. >> now this hunter biden's federal gun trial resumes in delaware in just a few hours. the big question whether the present this isn't sun will take the stand today is the deadline for the defense attorneys to decide whether hunter will testify. the president's son facing three counts related to his purchase of a firearm in 2018, which of course prosecutors say violated federal law because he was addicted to crack cocaine at the time on friday, hunters daughter naomi testified about her father's struggles with drug use joining me now from wilmington, delaware is alex thompson, national political reporter for axios. alex, great to see you here again. can you bring us up to speed on what we saw from naomi on friday and what we might expect to see today. >> yeah. it was an incredibly emotional testimony with hunter biden's daughter. the first

grand daughter, who just a few years ago got married at the white house, basically taking the stand, was a little bit nervous, was really trying to vouch for her father and say that she believed that he was you in a really good place with his sobriety to crack cocaine in around the time when he was buying a gun. but she was really subject to a really sort of emotionally gutting cross-examination when the prosecution brought up text messages that hunter sure. it's sent between them. the two of them in just the days after he bought the gun, he was sort of a radek texting at all times night at midnight at 2:00 a.m. looking to asking if her husband could bring a car to 57th street in manhattan where she was going to law school, and then basically reading out this text message where she said, no, see you, joyce on one time when he was there for a few days and then said i just

the text message said i just can't take this dad. i just want to hang out with you and for 23-year-old girl to just text her dad saying, i just want to hang out with you and then him saying, i'm sorry, i can you know, it really was very emotional moment. i can tell you when they were all coming out of the courtroom, the first family, the first lady, jill biden, sister bao. bao biden they all look a little bit, a little bit shaken. they all, it was a very emotional sort of testimony when naomi came out of the courtroom. i was right there and she she sort of wiped one of for wipe to tear from her eye. and when she came out of the witness room is indoors, but she was she had put on these it's very dark black, huge classes to shield her eyes so it was an emotional day for the entire family really remarkable. alex there is, of course this question about

whether or not hunter is going to testify. >> we've talked at length in recent weeks about because of a different defendant, whether or not it's a good idea for people to take the stand in their own defense. generally speaking, it seems like it typically isn't it is there a right, of course, to do so? what are you expecting? >> i think at the again the de he's not going to do it, but i can tell you that i feel very confident that he really wants to it. i mean, a lot of defendant's want to take the take it. i can tell you, you know, going back years, hunter has always try has really favorite and much more aggressive approach which and at times has been very frustrated when his father's aides have just basically encouraged him to just keep his head down. that's actually part of the reason why he hired abbe lowell, has current lawyer in this case was because he was tired of being quiet and you saw that earlier this year when he how he dealt with the house republican since investigations

when he started going out publicly he was just being much more public publicly aggressive when a hunter has, you know, i've spent time with them. i interviewed him earlier this year. hunter has charm as we've seen from the many girlfriends he was juggling that testified trial. >> so he, you know, he has an ability to really make you know, make his own case and be very, very compelling and so i'm sure he wants to, but just given the amount of material, the prosecutors would be able to introduce in this trial if he were to testify that could then have repercussions not just professional investigations, but other legal cases i'd be surprised if he does alex big picture here. this isn't the only problem that hunter biden is facing. he's got another trial set for the fall. how are people around in the biden family around the president, thinking about the difference? between those two things, because the other one

it might seem has a higher potential for doing damage to the president from a political perspective, what are you hearing? >> absolutely well, because the other trials more problematic for two reasons. one is it starts september 5th, so we're talking just two months before the election. the other reason is it's it's just messier. and this one is a little bit more, little bit simpler. he bought a gun while in the myths of when he was addicted before when he was six after the trial. as we've seen, the trial is going to last just a little over a week the other one is about his finances and not paying taxes and 2017 and 2018 when he made over $2 million. each of those years. and the finances they're sprawling. i mean, in that indictment, they they name his ex-wife and the civil case when he was not paying millions of dollars and alimony, they talk about the other civil case with an arkansas with a woman he had a truck that hunter had a child

with and just all the different pieces of the finances where he was making that money i think is going to be messier all right. >> alex thompson for us, alex, we're grateful to have had you on the program on this come back soon. thank you. >> thanks. >> all right. >> he is a businessman who self-funded his political career and was first elected to office in 2016. does that sound familiar that's basically where the similarities end between donald trump and north dakota governor doug burgum. but he bardem is the man who has climbed the former vice president, the former president's vice president shortlist as a new york times reports is merged as perhaps trump's safest option. also the biggest wildcard burgum has reportedly received vetting materials from the trump campaign and has spent months supporting trump on the campaign trail and in court while also walking back comments that he made in this nbc interview last summer would you ever do business with donald trump i don't think so

why i would i just think that it's important that you're judged by the company you keep i just wouldn't do business with him. >> no, i wouldn't house back. >> jonah wouldn't do business with them back then. >> tune has changed but what do i mean burgum in many ways is probably what donald trump would have conceived of as like, you know, if, if, if vice presidents had baseball cards, yeah, this guy will go well on one. >> what's your view? >> yeah. so i mean, i've long thought that trump if he was sure he was going to win, wants the scary as vice president, that doesn't hurt his election chances. because that makes them harder when ph, when he's president, right? because like you can keep me. are you going to have this medusa head right and pull out? >> okay about it that way here lake or something, but i don't think he's that company is going to win mike pence was equally boring to doug burgum, but he also back then brought evangelical christians social

concerns. >> did that then trump needed it then trump does not have a transactional relational need with any constituent when see on the right the way he did in 2016. and so the two things he's looking for, most are loyalty and money, burgum, i think has the money jd vance has more of the loyalty and i'm just i have no idea. >> good had hair and good hair. very, and. very important eyebrows very i mean, look, it's an enviable head of hair. yes, many would kill for anything what i have continued to hear from my sources in the trump campaign is that the internal effort to convince donald trump to choose jd vance is much more aggressive than it is for governor burgum. >> at the end of the day, obviously trump makes his own decisions and at the very last minute, you could have an intense lobbying effort from every single person around him. still might not result in that person, but yeah, that line i'm hearing is unchanged.

changed from people around him that advance is still you've heard kristi noem saying he needs to choose a woman, a woman. you also have marco rubio of florida talking about how he might help with latinos there are lots of different reasons to choose different people and ultimately it is up to donald trump. and what is interesting to me is that he is waiting to the very last minute. apparently he's going to make this announcement at the convention. it is like the apprentice style unveiling. >> we're getting b as possible. >> it has to say the drama. i feel you it's very smart because it gets all these people to be just unbelievably sycophantic surrogates on sunday shows and everywhere else for months on end her sessions about whether marco rubio would be willing to move out of florida if you review of waukesha that's exactly what i meant. >> yeah. >> well, i mean, in in there also is this sort of like he requires some certain degree. it seems of humiliation from these people as well. >> all right.

>> i'll leave you with this and this is a little bit of a point of personal privilege today. i got to spend some time with a very special group of heroes over the week he can at the annual dc fire and ems awards dinner, which honors all of the first responders who answered the call in 2023 that year, one of those calls was mine or i guess technically my husband's after i rather abruptly went into labor at home last march the labor lasted 30 minutes. my daughter grey, was born on my bathroom floor and my husband had to deliver her himself the baby was delivered through no fault of anyone who works here before you can arrive only because it was so fast we didn't actually have times call 911. so that happened once we did have a chance to make the call. they did at dc fire and ems arrive in force. we had a ladder fire truck and all they made sure that gray and i both came out happy and healthy. and while i certainly hope that this was a

once in a lifetime situation for me the for the people that came to help, it was really just all in a day's work situations like this really show everyone and certainly showed us in this instance just how much all of us out in the world depend on all of you and again, i want to thank the crew from medic 24 firefighter hayden campbell, firefighter, paramedic, atom iq, and fire inspector paramedic, kimberly booser, who helped bring gray into the world. i got to be reunited with them over the weekend and i also learned when i spoke to adam and his crew, they were just as happy as i was to have a friendly female face on that crew. thank you. to kim for taking charge because man, she did. we also do want to just take a moment to thank all of the first responders here in the district of columbia, but across the country that all of us trust with our lives every day, because you really have no idea when you might need to make that call and having those people on the other end of the