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outside the courthouse in wilmington, delaware, and haven't used spoke with juror number ten. tell us what he told you that's right. jake, juror number ten, who we spoke to with without showing his face. >> he was concerned about his safety. one of the things he told us was that very quickly, very, very very early in the case. he had a pretty good idea of where this case was going, but he said he wasn't 100% sure on tv, heard all of the evidence, listen to what he said was with the crucial part of the prosecution's case when you look at the form, are are you a drug addict? >> are you an unlawful user of drugs and he said no clearly he lie jake? >> there was five days of prosecution evidence, mountains of evidence, overwhelming these jurors trying, to drive home

the point that he was addicted to drugs and the defense really tried to focus on the days around when he bought this gun in october 20, 2008 ten and it's clearly that did not really make an impact for these jurors. we also asked us juror about the idea that politics could have played any role in this case. we say this is the first time the son of the president has been on trial for any criminal violation. and here's what he had to say i would tell them hunter did get a fair trial politics played no part in this whatsoever. >> we were not allowed to talk to anybody, not even are families not even the durer's. we cannot talk about the case until it was actually given to us yesterday. now that i look back on and nothing was met mention anything about the president of the united states jake got the idea that hunter biden has there are so many

family members, including the first lady, the juror is notice that, but they didn't talk about it. >> they didn't even discuss it within themselves when they got to this to this to the jury room, he said that this was a decision that was pretty unanimous fairly quickly, given all of the circumstances that they had to deal with here alright. >> having patterns with the breaking news and wilmington, delaware. thanks so much. boron breaking news this in our world lead hamas has responded to the latest proposal for a hostage and ceasefire deal, and hamas has rejected it. cnn, political and foreign policy analyst barak ravid is breaking this. did hamas barak give any explanation for its rejection? >> hi jake. so first hamas did not say that it rejected the deal hamas said that it gave response to the qatari and egyptian mediators that it gives several comments and remarks on parts of these rarely proposal israel, the israeli government, israeli

officials are the ones saying that after they received hamas response and analyze it, they treated as a rejection. i think we still need to hear from the mediators and most importantly, from the white house that white house spokesman john kirby the dwight is still analyzing and studying the hamas response. so hamas is saying it just gave few comments israeli saying hamas rejected the deal. the white house still hasn't said anything of substance. i think we should wait and hear more what the white house says, what the qatari say, and what did so us officials say that they believe hamas leader yahya sinwar feels as though he has the upper hand and then negotiations this after a wall street journal report that says that the messages that they've seen from sinwar show that he believes hamas is benefiting from the civilian death toll of palestinians in gaza. is that

similar to what you're hearing from officials in israel and the united states and elsewhere so these were any set for a long time that sinwar, that there's a big gap between sinwar and hamas leadership. hamas's political leadership in qatar that sinwar was much more hard line and what, what i heard from us officials in the last few weeks is that because sinwar thinks that as the war goes on, israel would be more under pressure and the us will put more pressure on israel. this is why they tried to mobilize the international community to support president biden speech, including the security council resolution that passed yesterday that the button demonstration thought that if sinwar cares so much about the international pressure on israel may be when he sees the security council resolution, you'll have second thoughts on where the

international pressure is directed. >> maybe understand that he is also under pressure. >> and not only these values all right, barak ravi, thanks so much for that reporting. last night in new york city, outside and exhibit that memorializes the 364 innocent victims hats the nova music festival who were slaughtered by the terrorist. if hamas a group of anti israel protesters, many of whom could be accurately described this as pro-hamas, set off flares and smoke bombs and chanted, there is only one solution intifada revolution. they also displayed this flag celebrating the october 7 attack, which slaughtered more than 1,200 is israelis and others, new york politicians ranging from house minority leader hakeem jeffries to governor kathy hochul's condemned the celebration of the slaughter of jews with even israel credit congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, calling the protest and the display atrocious antisemitism

but hamas and hamas supporters, callousness about the death of jews is not particularly new, nor is it news what might be is the stated callousness about the death of palestinians, necessary sacrifices is how hamas terrorists leader yahya sinwar describes the deaths of thousands of gazans, his own people theoretically, this according to messages viewed by the wall street journal, which shed more light on how sinwar may be influencing a potential ceasefire deal. despite the fact that he's been in hiding ever since hamas attacked israel on october 7. the cnn's oren liebermann examines the messages and what could come next in ceasefire negotiations in an all-out push to stop the fighting in gaza, negotiators are hoping for elusive success the focus is on yahya sinwar, hamas, military leader hasn't been seen in public since the start of the war hiding somewhere in the bombarded enclave. but sinwar may believe

he has the upper hand we have the israelis right where we want them. sinwar said in recent messages to hamas officials viewed by the wall street journal. sinwar is leaked messages which cnn hasn't seen and cannot independently verify shed light into his mindset during eight months of brutal war. according to the palestinian ministry of health in gaza, more than 37,000 palestinians have been killed in israel's assault on the territory in one message to hamas leaders in doha, sinwar wrote, these are necessary sacrifices. the israeli military responded on social media saying, sinwar profits off the deaths of gazan civilians hamas leaders don't care about gazans. how many times do they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? secretary of state antony blinken in the region to push a ceasefire proposal aimed his message directly at sinwar while the people that he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making or will he do what's necessary

to actually move this to a better place to help end the suffering of people to help bring real security to israelis and palestinians alike. >> sinwar spent more than two decades and israeli prisons convicted for playing a role in the murder of two israeli soldiers and four palestinians suspected of working with israel. he was released in the 2011 hostage deal for israeli soldier gilad shalit and rose to the top of hamas israeli journalist shlomi el dog says, sinwar is assent was marked by his brutality. >> this is sinwar and life and therefore him is nothing. as many palestinian were killed by the idf. the more pressure from the international community believed to be the mastermind of the october 7 attack messages suggests even sinwar was surprised by its atrocities things went out of control. you wrote early on, but sinwar soon doubled down on the war in a message to hamas's political leaders in december, he said, we have the capabilities to

continue fighting for months secretary of state antony blinken is still in the region. he's met with jordanian officials, egyptian officials, israeli officials, and soon he'll meet with qatari officials. problem jake, is that it's not clear any of this has the intended effect which is trying to put pressure on hamas. and you see it there in the messages viewed by the wall street journal from yahya sinwar that's where the focus is because he is viewed as the decision-maker and perhaps the soul decision-maker, even if he's out of touch with hamas's political leadership sitting in qatar not demands and habits that's with what the people in gaza want him to do. oren liebermann, thanks so much. we're going back to the other big story this hour. today's guilty verdict and the hunter biden gun case. how many republicans are now? we're comparing the outcome of this case to donald trump's conviction, plus a stunning verdict you'd likely have not heard about today, produce giant chiquita was just ordered to pay 30 million to victims of a colombian terror death squad. >> this case is frankly

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long-held claims of the justice department goes after republicans. and let's democrats off the hook but mr. speaker, you've been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here's the president sam being victim on three counts as that undercut your claim. >> it doesn't every case is different and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. i don't think justin case in the trump trials and all the charges that have been brought against them have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden as a separate instance now, republicans in the house are indicating that they're still pressing head and trying to investigate joe biden, even if there's tried for months and months it really is just the beginning of this congress to tie hunter biden's overseas business dealings with the president of the united states at the time when he was vice president, they have struggled to prove anything in that case. >> hello, james comer, who is leading that investigation said he said today's verdict is a step towards accountability, but until the department of justice investigates everyone

involved in the bidens corrupt influence peddling schemes that generated over 18 million in foreign payments to the biden family. there'll be clear. department officials continued to cover for the big guy joe biden, but again, the that investigation really has not borne out that biden joe biden acted corruptly, are enriched himself based on his sons hunters, business dealings. now, democrats have a bunch different view. they say it essentially confirms that the justice system works fairly and treats both sides equally what would republicans 0.2 as a two-tiered system of justice on the president's son was just convicted of a crime. i mean, if anything this shows the difference that democrats are willing to accept when our justice system works as fungi and as design, we're not here contesting the results were not here trying to defund the fbi or the department of justice because we don't like the outcome of a of a given trial.

>> we respect the judicial michelle process now, also, jake, there's also been silence among top democrats as well. >> chuck schumer, the senate majority leader, has not yet weighed in on this, and neither has ackeem jeffries, the house demo credit leader. so you are seeing a much different approach between the two parties over this issue as republicans, they're a bit divided about how they're responding so far. >> all right. manu raju on capitol hill. thanks so much. appreciated. my panel joins me now. kate benningfield, let me start with you because, you know, the bidens having been communications director at the biden white house this obviously is personally very i'm sure horrible for the president and his family how much of a blow is it to him? not forget the politics for one second to president biden well personally it's very hard. >> i mean, he is the biden family is incredibly close. >> they're very close knit. they lean on each other. i worked for joe biden for almost eight years. i sat in countless

meetings in different scenarios, including in the oval office when a member of his family would call him and he would stop the meeting and step out to take a call from his family. i mean, he truly puts family first so for him, obviously, this is very hard. it's hard to watch your son grapple with the kinds of demons that hunter biden has been dealing with. it's hard to watch somebody in your family who you love, gill with addiction and all of the awful things that can flow from that so this is hard. i don't think that it will it's not something that's going to knock him sideways, prevent him from focusing on being present united states, he's very resilient. he has dealt with a lot of personal tragedy in his life, while also being in public office, you obviously lost his son, beau, to brain cancer while he was vice president. so he is somebody who has dealt with personal difficulty while handling the rigors of public office and he'll do that here. but of course it's hard for him. >> liz, good. one. the washington post office of joyce's. thanks so much for being here. so you heard cnn's biden arrives, you tick, tick through some of the reaction from republicans on the hill.

we mentioned before that republican senator lindsey graham and former congressman trey gouty have criticized it's a case for being brought at all. today, congressman thomas massie of kentucky, republican posted hunter might deserve to be in jail for something purchasing a gun is not it. matt gaetz, the florida republican said on twitter, the hunter biden gun conviction is kinda dumb tbas, to be honest, what do you make of this reaction kinda mixed. >> yeah, i think this case it's in some ways is the hardest possible one for republicans to celebrate or grab onto. so the most positive comments you've seen today from people like comer or even speaker johnson or more, just saying okay, it's a step towards the accountability, but we want them to focus on payments or are these financial dealings that we believe are inappropriate idea of celebrating someone having a gun for 11 days who didn't check the box that said they were drug user. it's just not it's very awkward. it's a second amendment issue. it's

something that i think a lot of republicans don't really want to celebrate like, let me ask you this whole two-tiered system of justice. >> is it not undercut by this by the menendez trial going on by the pending trial against congressman cuellar. not those are three. >> i keep saying no, i know. but how explained to me because those are three prominent democrats, the president's son, because i think i've got a different definition to your justice system here. >> i think what we've seen happen with hunter biden and what we saw happen with president is on a different tier than what we're seeing with menendez and others that is pure corruption where the fbi investigates bribery or the investigates, they investigate votes being sold. this is, this seems to me for tat we can't forget. it is unfortunate what happened, but we can't forget that this is the outer growth of a failed plea deal that this

was probably of a plea deal in order to try to get a little bit more to push on the hunter biden signed to accept the plea deal that went awry, and now he had to face the consequences of them filing this action. but we do have a two tiered system. 11 is being used for political purposes right now that we see in all of the quotes that are out there. and the other is just pure corruption that we've had in this country since mr. smith came to washing. so which let's put the new york case and then both new york case is assigned for one second. do you think the jack smith cases are purely political that there's no reason there for there to be any prosecution or even investigation. >> no, i i again, i think with the sum of the federal charges that have been brought on, jack smith charged on the top-secret documents. i do think that that there is some level of political opportunism there. but i think in some of the others, that center around january 6, absolutely. those should be pursued. but then

when we talk about those cases in georgia nevada wisconsin, arizona, those cases seem oh, against the fake electors exactly. right. and the timing of those the individuals who are who were brought when they were brought to bear, all of that seems to be on this other tier of our two-tiered system. >> so we don't know what's going to happen. >> you can go i just phase was saying her expression was saying a lot, might as well use words. i'm just good you're arguing that you're are you arguing that hunter's case is politically motivated or not? >> i was just i was i think i think that interbreeding i think a lot of the gun charges most likely on the tax evasion i don't know enough about that case to make that point, but to what you've been saying of republicans, keep pointing to september. i think that is the case that it's going to be a little bit more. >> that's the that's the tax trial. that's the tax charges. i think that case, if there are any political repercussions of these cases this is with hunter biden i think that case is

going to be the one that may affect some some individuals voting for the president. >> and then let me also note that darrell issa, who's a member of the house judiciary committee, he posted on twitter, this is only the beginning of accountability for the biden culture of corruption. and this has to do with these charges that not only hunter biden, but the president's brother, james biden made a lot of money selling access to whether directly or indirectly to the venn vice president. now president, well, right. but they have not been able to prove any kind of link between hunter's business dealings or or gym biden's business dealings and joe biden. and that's the issue here. i mean, there's a continued effort to try to muddy the waters, but they have tried and tried and tried. comer has tried. it's been months. i mean, this has been an effort by house republicans. they've been unable to turn up any shred of evidence that shows any any corruption and so you can talk about hunter's trial in september maybe it brings these issues back to the forefront as a messaging vehicle. but the fact of matter is no evidence

has been found that links hundreds dealings to joe biden. that's where you're corruption case falls apart. >> if this case goes up to the appeals court process, this is a hunter biden case even the us supreme court, it's a second amendment case and you heard tom massie basically say earlier in the show, like, i know plenty of people who smoke pot, who i'm paraphrasing, but it's been plenty of people who smoke pot who shouldn't have their gun rights taken away from them. is this a case you might sink that the the conservatives, even perhaps the nra, might weigh in on, on a hunters behalf, or is that just not how politics works anymore? >> i guess that is possible. i mean, broadening it out to think about people who use pot recreationally and gun ownership. you could actually see a drug usage. it's not hard drug usage are hard drug addiction. it's just drug use. >> right? and i think federal definition, which includes both. >> and i think that is why this is just so awkward for a lot of republicans to latch onto at this point. >> all right, it'd be

interesting to do get a venn diagram of gun owners and marijuana users because i'm guessing there's a bit of overlap. >> i don't know. >> not that i know personally thanks you all for coming up. >> a doctor who robert f. kennedy jr. one's called to learn about vaccines that physician says ariff could junior, then went on to publicly twist his words and the doctors here to set the record straight. what he says he really told that now presidential candidate, that's next you 19th, cnn celebrated juneteenth special performances by john legend, hadi lewbel smokey robinson. >> we still have a lot of work to do. >> juneteenth celebrating freedom and legacy wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn. >> not flossing well, then add the wo of listerine to your routine. new science shows. listerine is five times more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gum line for a cleaner, healthier mouth this three, feel the wo if you have heart disease and struggle with ldl, see even

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perhaps best known for his opposition to vaccines after he falsely asserted a link between childhood vaccines and autism and a story published by rolling stone magazine and slot.com, salon.com, in 2005. both rolling stone and salon.com later retracted the story. my next guest says okay, junior called him 20 years ago to talk about vaccines for that article. and he says that rfk junior quote, became a bona fide sorts of disinformation, falsely saying vaccines cause autism ever since, unquote dr. paul off at joins me now, he's the director of the vaccine education center at the great children's hospital of philadelphia. and he's author of telling tell me when it's over an insider's guide to the ciphering covid, myths and navigating our post-pandemic world, dr. abbott, thanks for joining us so you write about this conversation with rfk erik kay junior and you say, quote, kennedy had sandbags me. the article was full of misstatements the regret having that conversation no, he called me 20 years ago and asked the

question, i have had mothers come into my office telling you that they're concerned about this ethyl mercury containing preservative thigh marisol and vaccines. >> could it do harm? because certainly mercury at high levels can be harmful. were these the levels containing vaccine smart? so now at that point that he hello me around 2004 aerosol had been at a pretty much all childhood vaccines since 2001. and so it was easy to do those studies. you can look at children who got the marisol containing vaccines, compare them to tillman who got the same vaccines that didn't contain time aerosol. there were four or five studies that had been done at that time and i went through those studies with him and he seemed perfectly amended to them. he was he was appreciative. i went home that night and told my wife that i thought that i had a really good conversation with rfk jr. then roughly a year later, there's an article published in rolling stone called deadly immunity which just had a complete misstatement of series of facts. and what he said was that i was basically just a shill for the i'm a suitable industry because the virus vaccine that we were working on at children's hospital

philadelphia, a rotavirus vaccine was quote unquote, laced with time aerosol and that's why i said it. but in fact, no live attenuated viral vaccines contain preservative. so that was wrong. there are also many misstatements. in fact, i called rolling stone and went through those misstatements and ultimately they retracted the article and that to me was his birth as an anti-vaccine akre, his birth as a science denialists because that's what he is. he refuses to look at the data that proved that he is wrong. >> and years before i should disclose, i worked at salon.com. i wasn't involved. i didn't work for salon at the time. but joan walsh worked under her and she was the editor in chief at salon at the time. this is how she describes working in that article with rfk jr. she wrote, quote, it was the worst mistake of my career. she writes this in the nation. she also wrote quote in are many interactions rfk junior was charming and funny, but gradually he became a charming bully. resisting my efforts to rein in some of his over-the-top rhetoric did you reach out to him at all after the experience and what is your

experience been like with him at all since that initial conversation? >> no, i didn't. i have had several people come up to me in the interim represent him, presumably that have said that he would like to debate me, that he would pay me $50,000 to debate him, but that's not a debate. i mean, you can't debate facts. i mean, the fact is that and then vaccine doesn't cause autism or time air assault. the level containing vaccines was never harmful. >> those are the data you can't debate that it's like debating whether birds are real you have to at least agree on basic facts. >> so those aren't to base, he just simply would be the stating facts and i would be saying his he was wrong. i don't see how that advances the argument. >> what impact do you think he's will have his comments? he continues to say these false things about childhood vaccines, which obviously save millions of lives. and he's only gaining and prominence. what are your concerns about that?

>> what you're seeing it happening? >> i in the last we eliminated measles from the united states by the year 2000 in the last four years, we've had more than 300 cases of measles because parents or choosing not to vaccinate their children more and more parents are making that choice now there's about a few hundred cases way till you get to about 10002000 cases and then you'll once again start to see children diagram beetles, a virus that killed 500 children a year before the vaccine. >> i think that's where we're heading and it's really hard to watch. >> now the proud legacy of rfk jr. doctor paul off but thank you so much. good to see you coming up or reunion, you'll see only here on the lead after a family was separated during that chaotic us withdrawal from afghanistan, stay with us the assignment with audie cornish listen wherever you get your podcasts because their tech allergy relief works fast. and last a full 24 hours so dave can be deliverer, dance okay. >> dave let's be more than our

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afghanistan. the father and sons made it to the united states. the mother and daughter remained in afghanistan under brutal taliban rule. but today, today, we're finally, finally able to bring you some happy news to exclusively report that that awful chapter in their lives is close and we thank cnn and it's natasha jen for bringing us the incredible moment when the family was able to reunite here safely in the united states playing in a park with her brother is something moussa, not roman has waited to do for almost three years in august of 2021, the roman family was separated in the chaos of the us withdrawal from afghanistan everyone was running for plain and they couldn't control mother and daughter were pushed outside the airport gates and couldn't get back in. >> but the father, ahmad and their two boys were able to get on a plane to the us we last saw them in february 2023, only able to see mom and daughter on

video chat after years of multiple applications and very little information, a mod got help from an attorney, a congressman, and refugee aid group, mary's list. now they're finally reunited on us soil. ahmad had tried to take a video of the moment that drops the camera as emotions took over as. see them. >> and i just run and also my son other he just ran uncommon hug me. i was so excited i couldn't control myself. i couldn't control my my tears all the pain come out you want to hug them? >> you just realize, oh my god, i have message to you miss two of her birthdays, all that time that most sonata at her mother's suffered under taliban rule. i didn't go outset for months because they

two girls with themselves, the taliban, would take girls yeah, they took a lot of girls with them because they say, oh, you or hijab is not good even now, i'll bina is covering her face to avoid being recognized because her extended family is still in afghanistan. >> her father and brothers worked with the us government for the first year after the taliban took over, they moved every few months when authorities came to check documents as females, i'll bina and moussa not stayed inside as much as possible and could not go anywhere without a male chaperone. >> i mean, i go out for like shopping, something. i feel like someone is hauling me when i come to us so did i feel like free like thinking myself. so save a new sense of safety now that they're all together yeah including for little rockman who won't let his mom out of his sight when we separate, he was like babies, small baby in

my heart and now he just stand on his own not says her older brother, who's a year is different now and way more fluent in english than she is. >> nasa 30 to them so she said in the old time, you will not like playing with me that much on legal not acting not good but when i came here, you're just checking so funny. >> he told us he even missed fighting with his sister. >> what do you want to be when you grow up all you want to be a dentist? >> yes. >> this future dentist, just turned nine. this time a birthday. her entire family could celebrate together. >> i'm coming to my five and my brothers way very happy her father urges the us not to forget the thousands of afghans are still separated. >> now, the state department tells me they've resettled more than 140,000 afghans since

the withdrawal. now there was also a backlog of asylum applications, but after a federal lawsuit that us has now adjudicated more than 90% of those overdue applications. jake dasha can it's rare we get to report good news. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. >> coming up don't you forget about me. the 80s, brad pac took over movie theaters became a cultural icons and for now they're the subject of a new documentary from one of the stars of the so-called brands who will join me with a behind the scenes preview next on june 10, 19 the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max everywhere. >> but the seat proceeded level now and we get a you love your bike? we did two. that's why we're americans number one, motorcycle insurer. the do you have to wedge it and everything? >> but don't do that reminds

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gang. this wasn't really but within days, the name brat pack was being used around the world and now it is the subject of a new documentary, brats by one of its founding members, andrew mccarthy thing we need to establish as i who is in the brat back to me, that his raw blow, judd nelson emilio as severe as ali shady, demi more monitoring wall. it's a movable feast. i think from the documentary brats, and they're a lot of questions the documentary explores. >> i have some of my own. andrew mccarthy, actor, author, travel writer who served as an editor at large for national geographic for traveler magazine for more than a decade has journeyed here to the lead and joins us now interest, so good to see you. one of the key questions is, what was it like for the good and the bad to be part of this brandt pack, let's take another quick look at this compilation of the film from the trailer of your doc

hey, you round not interest in talking about the brand pack year. i can everything i can to talking to me? because you call it was i'm the clear the earn a couple of things i love hey, i hated the brad pitt for decades. what disaster. if you could have the brat pack name not exist? test, would you really irritated me? >> they said, what's more important to you, the movie are your life. >> i said so, what's this is my wife is flashing before my eyes here. what did you discover on this journey? >> my life to isn't interesting thing because jake, i get alerts to their, i mean, when this phrase, this term was coined, we all hated it. we all thought it was really pejorative, negative thing. i mean, who wants to be called a brad, who wants to be stuck in a pack? and it changed our lives really, it would seem so odd. and yet it did. and so, you know, it's something that stayed with me for low these

many decades now. and i just went on a journey to kind of because my feelings about it have changed pretty much 180 degrees. i hated it so much when i was a kid and now i've grown to realize it's probably the greatest blessing of my professional life. and so i thought i'd go see what everybody else thought about it because i haven't talked to most of those guys and 30 years it's amazing. >> and so many of you of course, continued to be a public figures and producing amazing, amazing content and pop culture. let's remind people a bit about the moment this was a time when all of a sudden movies we're being made for younger audiences starring young actors in a way that they'd never been before. >> yeah, i mean, it was a real seismic cultural shift. i mean, before that, movies were adult entertainment, the french connection, the godfather, all these kind of from the er tours and things and then suddenly hollywood discovered that kids go to the movies 567 times. grown-ups go once. let's make movies for kids. and so overnight, every friday, there was a new movie for kids, whether it was the karate kid this week and then teen wolf

that week. and then pretty in pink and just week after week and what's hard for us to realize now to is it was such a unified youth culture for them because now everything is so fractured and everything. but back then, everybody was looking in the same direction and the direction they ended up looking was, our direction and then this article came out that you alluded to and sort of put a label on us and then that was it. so we became this cultural touchstone. >> but i never, i never thought of you guys is brats and i was right in that generation watching all of your movies in the theater de it wasn't pejorative to me. i'm like, oh, that's so cool. there are so cool. look at them. >> if you are exactly right, you and the public were exactly right. that it was this because i'm the avatar of youth and other members of the brad packet, the qatar of your youth really in a certain way. and so people of that generation look at me and their eyes glaze over and they've got other brand pack movies. they're talking about really themselves and their own use within that wonderous moment in life when you just sort of clasping into the world and we represent that to them. and so i think you're

right when you say it was this amazing, we were the cool kids who just didn't get it. we just didn't get it. >> but i should note. i thank god every day that there was no social media when i was in high school and college but can you might have this been different for you better or worse you think if if everything off camera was posted, livestream and captured, say i think people often say, my god, can you imagine what it would be like now, i think it couldn't happen now. i think because like i alluded to before, there was just unified youth, cultural. everybody was looking at the same thing. and so if it came out, now, i think it'd be a new cycle, you know, when people could push back instantly on their feeds and go, this guy said this nasa and our fans could speak out and all this kind of stuff and it would just fizzle very quickly. but i think it really just captured it wasn't about us really. it was just capturing like, you alluded to as seismic cultural shift that was happening. and we just happened to be the wii fit the close at the time. and the label is such a great, catchy label. so i

don't think it's something that could happen again. >> well, it's so fun. the documentary and so fond to catch up with. you and emilio and a demi and others. it's really timothy hutton. it's incredible. i, andrew mccarthy, thanks, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, jake the new documentary, brandt's starts streaming on hulu in two days, thursday we're back with lastly, it's next rat pack name not exist aldrich shames is cold calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was a compromised, secrets and spies, a nuclear games sunday at ten on cnn. >> dad is a legends and his legendary moves might be passed down to you ancestry dna can show you which traits we're inherited where are they came from and who he shares them with but get moving. the sale is only for a limited time one

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