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laura coates on this busy tuesday night for months, donald trump and republicans have tried to make the case that there is a two tiered justice system one system of justice for trump and one for everybody else. there are tax goes something like this that the justice department is being weaponized against donald trump. and donald trump only at direction of president biden. never mind that trump and his allies are also claiming that biden is slipping mentally while at the same time orchestrating that conspiracy set that aside. just consider the trump-world allegation that biden is behind this plot. two persecute the former president just so you understand this is all done by biden and his people maybe as people more importantly, democrats across the slide they've crossed the line in which now the court system is a political weapon. this department of justice, the biden department of justice he is the most partisan department of justice in our nation's history today that same biden department of justice secured a conviction against the

president's son, hunter, guilty on all three counts for lying about his drug use when he purchased a gun here is david weiss, the special counsel leading the case no one in this country is above the law. >> everyone must be accountable for their actions. i want to thank attorney general garland for providing the support necessary to fulfill our mission. >> that's why it's thanking the attorney general for ensuring that he has independence. the same attorney general that the former president and his allies have relentlessly accused without evidence of conspiring to get trump's today. some of those trump allies accused the biden administration of pursuing a conviction of hunter basically accusing the president of sacrificing his own son to continue that conspiracy. former trump white house adviser stephen miller posted this. take a look at this. the gun charges he says are a misdirection, don't be gasland. this is all about protecting joe biden don't be gaslight. indeed, new tonight, the new york times reports

hunter biden's conviction not only undercuts trump's narrative, but also hurts his campaigns fundraising efforts, citing a person familiar, the time says, quote, there had been discussions about how much an acquittal of hunter biden would help mr. trump? potentially raising tens of millions of additional dollars as they plan to cite it as more evidence. the justice system was rigged oops it's an ai, democrats on the hill noted their response to the biden conviction was different. >> we're not here contesting the results. were not here trying to defund the fbi or the department of justice because we don't like the outcome of a of a given trial we respect the judicial process, which we respect the outcome of it for his part, president biden two, it says he accepts the outcome of the case, and we'll respect it. >> he issued that statement before he changed the schedule to be with his son, fleming fine. to wilmington, delaware, where he remains the night photographer. you can see right? they're capturing their embrace hey, shortly after the

president landed on the tarmac. now i want to get to brandy harden, a criminal defense attorney, liam donovan, former national republican senatorial campaign committee aid and karen funny a cnn legal commentator. brandy, i so let's let's jump right into this. republicans still saying that doj is a big weapon but against them, does that hold up anymore? let's listen to a speaker johnson. he was talking to our manu raju and other reporters about this verdict will talk about the other side every case is different. >> and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have been brought again, obviously brought for political purposes. hunter biden is a separate instance separate instance. the speaker say separate incidents, and so i think, look, this convictions certainly undercuts the theory that there are two there's a two tier justice system in reality, there's not one system for donald trump in one

system for other folks in reality, we see that this conviction stands that when the government sets their sights on you, when they think that you've committed a crime, they're gonna go after you and just like what happened here, a jury of your peers is going to listen, is going to figure out what happens. >> and here there was a guilty verdict yeah. >> and leon, the new york times, reporting that the trump campaign plan to raise millions of dollars off of 100 biden acquittal, i guess that's oh, well, i guess that's not gonna work out now what do you make of that? >> well, i mean, it's certainly makes sense if you're trying to play into the cynical idea that the system is rigged, that would certainly be prove it. >> i think well, with the punches though, if you start with that premise, then you can use that to any anything can come back and affirm that. so there's there's nothing that can prove the negative the system's not rigged, not a conviction of hunter biden. i mean, look, this would never should have gone to trial was supposed to be a plea deal. the plea deal fell apart. this also doesn't resolve because there's going to be a tax trial that comes up in september. it's just a mess. nobody's actually satisfied

the president. but what do you sent through a tax trial to get help right? exactly what where does the conspiracy end? >> all the way up and then sanity begin? >> but here's this so cynical and discussing about that anybody who is dealt with addiction or it has people that they know deal with addiction it is a journey to stay clean, right? and the idea that the president would want to risk his child sobriety for the presidency. i get why in donald trump's mind that might make sense because that's how he thinks about things, right? is how do i work the angles to get the result i want, but the thought of joe biden doing that after again, i think what's important about today, i think about the contrast here you have a man who has this is a guy who has taken punches throughout his life. joe biden and he gets back up and he's resilient and he has figured out how to say, look, i love my son, but the law is the law versus trump, who acts like a spoiled brat, who just doesn't get his way yeah.

>> i mean liam, the trump campaign saying in a statement, we put this up on screen. this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family and limb. >> people buy this stuff. >> i think there is a separate issue. i mean, truly if you look at this, this is kind of the it's the bragg case of the hunter charges. it really is small potatoes. i mean, i don't think republicans truly do believe there are other things that foot here they. haven't produced the goods though. they haven't been able to put together a case in the house of representatives that would that would be able to pursue this. i know that the oversight committee is tried, but there are big things that you're going to call the biden crime family. should you have are tied to the president, wears we're doing we're doing hot dogs later ron, those out. we'll look at for the nothing now, you know, that's why i think we are where we are. they talk a good game. they talk

like there's going to be something else. but in reality, this is it. this is what they have. this is the case that they have and ultimately it's resulted in a conviction. yeah. and brandie, a juror ten, spoke to cnn about the decision all 12 jurors did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs yeah. i know everything gets thrown into the political meat grinder in dc. but again, this is further validation of the jury system that we have in this country. it's, it's not perfect. it's flawed. our justice system is why there's no doubt about that but in the trump case, you had a jury of men and women doing their job, doing their civic duty. they came to a verdict. they issued that verdict. >> same in this case, saving this point in new york one and delaware, you know, it's really important that we rely on the jury system. i mean, we call it a jury of your peers, whether it's actually your peers or not, it's 12 people who listen to the evidence and make get

decision. one of the things that i think is so problematic here though, is that why is this? i mean, you shouldn't be able to lie on an application, but with respect to whether or not he was addicted, i mean, that just takes it another step and i think it's sad that he was struggling with addiction is sad ultimately that he said what he said on the application, but i do think that the jury system i'm has 12 people decide what the evidence is and i listened to what the juror said the jury seem to say the fact that he's in the biden family had nothing to do with the case although in reality, everyone knew it was joe biden son and so even if it was in the back of their minds, they may have been at the front of their mind, but certainly it was something that everyone was aware of apparently it didn't, impact the verdict. >> this ties back to this larger theme about democracy that we've been talking about, right? because there is a part of democracy that is a leap of faith. you have to have a leap of faith that you go into the system 12 people are going to listen to the evidence and make a decision and you abide by that decision, you have a right to appeal, you have a right,

you write, you have plenty of rights, under house that hunter has that right there's rather, you know, exactly. and so but that's democracy that and when some of the commentary that we're seeing from republican let's the whole fact that the trump campaign initially put out a statement that had sympathy for hunter and then pull that back. i mean, all that does is undermine people's belief in our democracy and in our systems at a time when we actually should be reaffirming into your point, it's not perfect. there's so much work we need to do. but this is our system and we've got to work with it. and by undermining it actually makes us less safe as a country tree. and the jury system works. i mean, at the end of the day and we're gonna for a long time, it worked and so regardless of how perfect it is, one way or the other, 12 people look at the evidence, they listen, sometimes say they get it wrong, sometimes they get it right, but the jury system works and leave just very quickly. there's a bob menendez trial going on henry cuellar

trial going i mean, there are other trials of prominent democrats going on right now. >> i think the tricky part is and you're exactly right, but i think the tricky part is if you look at these piecemeal, you can say, well, this just proves the democrats are corrupt in this case of menendez or whomever. i think the tricky part is, as you say, i think there is trust in these institutions. but when we start to, when we start to talk about the supreme court, we start to talk about judge cannon and we pick apart things that maybe it looks like it's not on the level in other areas. i think it's hard to make these cases that we need to trust in the system if we're not bringing that across the board fair point, our guys, thank you very much. >> great discussion. i appreciate it tonight the bidens are huddling together in their delaware home to be with their son, hunter and addressing the verdict, the president said he could relate to families who have had loved ones battling addiction, saying quote, i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man and he is today and chris whipple joins me now he's the author of the fight of his life inside joe biden's white house chris good to see you. i see you studied

the bidens for a long time. how painful is this moment for the president yeah, i think it's extremely painful, just heart wrenching and it's impossible to overstate date just how close joe and hunter biden arnon it goes all the way back to that horrific car crash in 1972, which hunter and beau barely survived. it's the reason why we've been seeing him holding him close through throughout the trial and jill biden has been there and why you see these continuing statements of support? i mean, i think that for joe biden, this is a personal tragedy at a political windfall because i think that politically, i just don't see any downside soup so many people, so many americans can relate to a father, loving and supporting his son why? >> and chris, we were talking about this new york times piece that's out this evening where the trump campaign has sort of analyze this various different

ways of how a biden acquittal or conviction might play out. one of the things that says in that story is that the former president has been talking about hunter biden a whole lot less out on the campaign trail in part because the former president thinks that there's some sympathy out there for the current president because of what his son has been going through. and it is worth reminding our viewers just how much tragedy, personal tragedy, the president, the united states has endured over his life. and it has shaped him. it's made him the man he is. >> now. it's absolutely true and i think that look, i think a lot of the joe biden's advisers are keeping a close eye on him, not because they're worried about the political fallout as i say, i think that's nothing but upside, but i think they're just worried about him personally. they're worried about having to shoulder this on top of the burdens of the presidency. this is a guy who's got a lot of stuff on his plate but again, politically, i think there's no

downside. i thought so even before the verdict and after the verdict, even more so because the guilty verdict gives the lie to the notion that joe biden is some kind of puppeteer who weaponized as the department of justice punishing his enemies it's and freeing his friends, obviously hundred biden never would have seen the inside of a courtroom if that were the case. and i think luck we've got a debate coming up and i don't think joe biden, would ever go there. i don't think he'll bring it up but let me tell you if donald trump is makes the mistake of going there and spewing nonsense about the biden crime family. i think joe will be prepared. mean can you imagine if that happened? joe biden saying, look, last time i checked you were guilty of 34 felonies i'm guilty of loving my son yeah. >> and chris, the president,

has said that he will not pardon his son. what did you think of that? >> i thought it was extraordinary. i mean, it was it was a moment of just moral clarity on the part of joe biden and couldn't have been in starker contrast to the way donald trump has handled his own conviction so i think it was extraordinary when he was asked will you will you accept the verdict, whatever it is? he said? yes. >> would you and then again, what would you rule out a pardon? yes. >> you can't be much more clear than that. >> all right. for swivel a great discussion. thanks so much for your time. really appreciate it. good to be with you as we were saying earlier, new audio of supreme court justice samuel alito bashing the courts critics, the activists releasing these tapes this audio is here to walk us through it. that's next. say what the assignments are going

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text dra w to 369369. today i'm rafael romo at the georgia state capitol in atlanta. >> this is cnn tonight a new recording of supreme court justice samuel alito slamming investigations that uncovered ethics scandals at the highest court in the country is the latest in a series of recordings released by progressive filmmaker who secretly recorded alito while posing as a religious conservative, the next clip was recorded by her colleague, ali said marco, take a listen to this tylee they don't like our

decisions, have, they don't like now they the sides of the case that's the beginning and there are groups that are get somebody gets a lot of money now, cnn is not obtained the full video, but we've reached out to the supreme court and propublica for comment. we have not heard back from the supreme court, but of propublica saying

in a statement tonight, propublica exposes abuses of power, no matter which party is in charge. and our newsroom operates with fierce independence. the fact that clarence thomas amended his past filings to formally disclose trips that were paid for by billionaire harlan crow speaks for itself and joining me now, the executive producer of the undercurrent, lauren windsor, she is the person behind those secret recordings. lauren, great to see you again, we talked to you earlier this morning thanks for coming back on. >> walk us through this. i can first of all, why did you want to get these justices on tape? and was it tough when you walked up to them where they more reserved at first digit to warm them up. >> how did it work? >> well, so it went to two different dinners. there's one and 20231 and 2024, at the first one? i spoke with justice alito only there were several justices there, but we had a good conversation. i had gone initially because of propublica reporting on clarence thomas so

i thought at the time, will he be there? will he not who knows, but the reporting is it's like one of his favorite dinners so i thought there was a good chance he was not there. harlan crow is not there to my knowledge but justice alito was and so i had a conversation with him about how do we repair this partisan rift in our country that's right. they didn't say partisan rather, sorry. >> how do we repair the polarization in this country at the time he responded really and newsworthy way it was. i don't know. i don't know. that's not really a role. so he didn't publish that audio. but then this was before he actually went under the glare of propublica is fantastic reporting, right and so i imagined that because of that he might be more aggrieved and i might have a second shot at that this year. and sure enough, when i asked him similar questions, he had a much different response. >> and let's talk about what

he had to say. they're about pro public. i mean, it is odd to say the leaves to see a supreme court justice or hear a supreme court justice go after a news organization which by the way, for propublica did a perfectly legitimate series of new stories on what was going on at the supreme court. and it's raised all sorts of questions about the ethics there there have been calls for ethics, codes and so on, because of that, they've wonderful is a private one that they did they did honestly, i have no idea what propublica is budget is, but let's just say that what is it 4 million that i think that clarence thomas is accepted in gifts from donors. >> i would, imagine that given that it's an independent newsroom, that the annual budget probably rivals the amount that clarence thomas is taken in donations that he hasn't reported. >> do i know for sure? i don't know. i just you know, if you're talking about millions of dollars there that you didn't report and justice

alito is saying, oh, they've spent a fortune on going after clarence thomas. let's look at that relative. >> were you surprised that he was as candid with you as he comes across and as mrs. alito comes across, i mean, what what surprised you the most? >> it was very surprised in my so just to give some more context to this, i spoke with justice alito at the cocktail reception before. that's nris spoke with mrs. alito after the dinner? and i was surprised with him because when i went, i honestly thought these justices, they have to exercise discretion all the time. and so it wasn't surprised the first year when it wasn't newsworthy. the second year i go back. okay. we'll try again and see if we get something newsworthy so as i'm standing there and having this conversation with him, it's blowing my mind when he says there are fundamental things

that can't be compromised. and so to me that's okay. well, wow what are those fundamental things that can't be compromised because it's clearly is going to affect how you rule on really critical decisions that are impacting the lives of americans every day yeah and i know you and i talked about this earlier this morning, but just in case the viewers have missed that, are watching now let's talk about tactics and the way you went about doing this when i was talking to you earlier this morning, you said spare me the pearl-clutching but what about the folks at home who might be saying, oh, you know what, she shouldn't have misrepresented who she was, she should just go in there and say, hey, i'm i'm doing this investigation, talk to me well, you know, if i were to walk up to someone and say, hi, i'm a journalists, would you please tell me that you have a lack of impartiality. that's not something you're really going to be candid about. and it really goes to the genesis.

i've done undercover reporting for a long time back to a huge scoop that i had in 2014 with the koch brothers it's reserved for events or situations where you're not going to get information. >> really any other way. and in this particular circumstance, they're not forthcoming. there already evading any accountability measures whatsoever. and so is it worse for me too? tend to be a fan girl or is it worse for them to not disclose millions of dollars worth of gifts from gop donors let's talk about relative ethics violations here. i think that what i'm doing is in service of knowledge for the public good, the greater good for all of us congress needs to take action this i shouldn't have to do this it should be congress and this should be the media holding these justice. justice is two accounts is say your public service as part of the problem, the supreme court is

unaccountable course. >> it isn't accountable. they can get ethics reform passed you know, why are we having congressional hearings into this? >> i think any reasonable person would say that clarence thomas let's getting his mother's house paid for or his nephews tuition paid for or an rv loan, much of which was forgiven. all of these things, any reasonable person would say there extraordinary. all right. lauren windsor. thanks a lot. you got i got us all talking here in dc. that's for sure. thank you, jim. thanks for your time. i appreciate it. all right. just ahead. a cnn exclusive rare access inside detention camps and facilities in syria where children of isis isis fighters are coming the age. and it's being described as a breeding ground for the next generation of isis plus could trump may military service, mandatory why some and his camp are pushing that idea. we'll talk about them the most

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of those camps as a breeding ground for the next generation of isis. cnn's clarissa ward got rare exclusive access to these sites including a prison that holds some of the most dangerous isis members. and here's what she saw. >> cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters the world no journalist has been allowed in sayyed panoramas since 2021 until now. so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf what we walk through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern at pan panorama is a prison break the fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates

managed to escape and i look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless. >> the men we see appear to be indecent physical condition. >> but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison. and we are only allowed to look inside two cells versus your where are you from? >> a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us funding did panorama illegal black hole worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room, we he made 19-year-old stephane ux charloux from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14, along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you

talk to a lawyer? well, i don't know about the big guys. you speak about the kids assume we're all feeling know the truth. you don't know even my we're always punished is like five years in prison. i were punished we don't even know what he's done. like we've been imprisoned because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters. we made british pakistani dr. mohammed socket accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas. inmates are abused so we live in torture. >> i live in fear we say, you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically being tortured? this happens on and off. >> what kind of torture, like beating by the stick by the gods. >> to be honest, i'm just waiting for my death. >> is no getting in out of this prison. belle-v never the

warden at panorama called psaki claim of abuse false, saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act this way the sdf and the us are pushing countries to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. >> but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose, can we meet brits, canadians, belgians, australians, and a couple of americans? >> survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years. >> i have to ask you, i'm seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces you're not covered, you're wearing a t-shirt is that hard

it was hard when i first took it. >> i would say for the first 23 here's people were not accepting of it, you know, and they harassed us a lot. they stole our stuff in i had to stay strong and show example for myself. >> born and raised in the us. hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20 and left her family in alabama to live under isis a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison have you reconciled yourself without possibility i always tell myself that i'm going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i'd server and not come out and begin my life with my son for now. >> that is not an option. >> while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled hold is

us citizenship invalid on a technicality, i didn't write down. >> she lives in fear for her son's future what do you miss most about america? >> i just want to breathe at moroccan air and be around people i loved the people of america. they're very open and they're very forgiving and they're vary. their people who gives second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance and clarissa ward joins us, dow, chlorus are great reporting as always, i want to ask you about hoda the american we saw there, the us just completed one of the largest repatriation is from syria to date last month. >> why wasn't she part of it well, this is an interesting one gym, so we did actually reach out to the state department and ask them about hoda and they basically told us and i'll just read you the statement. >> the department has does not

changed its position with regards to ms methanol citizenship status as the state department determined, and the courts agreed she is not and never was a us citizen. we've also heard from who does lawyer who said the us has taken a high and mighty approach and lecturing other countries that they need to repatriate hello to them athena is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law that directly contradicts what the us government has stated that other countries cannot and should not do the lawyer also raises the issue of who does 7-year-old son, whose grandparents are american? again, so this is a complicated case it is continuing efforts to try to resolve it, and i should add, jim, that is senior us official told us there are about a dozen other americans who are also still in those camps. in syria. the difficulty with repatriation is that some of them don't even want to go back. we spoke to one woman.

she didn't want to be identified she said that she doesn't want to put up her hand to go back to the us. she's fearful of whatever punishment or recrimination she may face there for her actions. jim all right. fascinating report. clarissa ward. thank you very much just ahead. >> one of trump's cabinet secretaries pushing for mandatory military service if the former president gets a second term. but what does former trump defense secretary mark esper think about all of that? it's not his ideas. other cabinet members idea. we'll talk about that last convex older chains is cold calculating, cynical and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised secrets and spies, a nuclear game sunday at ten on cnn from real quality that starts in our factory to real performance in your backyard.

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suggest the donald trump could be pushed to consider supporting a mandatory military service requirement. if he wins a second term, the washington post reports as former acting defense secretary christopher miller, floated the idea for the armed services. biller told the paper the concept would create a common quote, rite of passage in a shared sacrifice among america's youth. america stopped. the draft. we should note in 1973 ending decades they divisive policy and ushering in the era of voluntary service, trump denied that he wants to revive mandatory service posting on truth, social quote, the story is completely untrue and he never even thought of that idea. he says, but the report highlights a concern all military leaders have in the united states plummeting recruitment staffing levels have dropped in every branch except for the space force is raising fears about military readiness and security with me now cnn global affairs analyst and former defense secretary under trump, mark esper of us

secretary. great. grateful to have your time. this late tuesday night christopher miller says that mandatory service should be quote, strongly considered. what do you think of this idea well, jim, we do have a problem in the united states when it comes to recruiting and the numbers seem to be getting worse, we have when i was army secretary in 2018, only 71% of america's youth qualified to serve and now 56 years, years later, 78% are unqualified to serve. >> then the number who are interested in serving who remain has decreased from about 13% to 9%. so look out of a cohort of 34 million or so, 17 to 24 year-olds we can only seem to generate 500,000 or so that are qualified and interested in serving. so this is, this is a matter i'm deeply concerned about. it's not going to bite us today or tomorrow. but if these trends continue in their cultural there lifestyle trends, if they continue, we're going to find ourselves in a bad situation when it comes to

the all voluntary force, 5810 years from now let me ask you about the political dimensions of this, because trump says he doesn't. >> this is not his idea, but he famously calls some american veterans who died in we're losers and suckers does trump's past comments about the military make recruiting more difficult i mean, can you imagine something like this happening in a second trump term after what he has said about fallen american heroes there are a number of things that have made recruiting difficult coming from both sides of the aisle, frankly, but i think it's the bigger issues in our country. i mean, the bottom line is that america's youth just are not familiar with americans military, with the one-half of 1% that serves and defense them. and that's the challenges we had to grow that with a close that knowledge gap among america's youth. so i think there are a number of ways to address that. measures that are far less radical than then reinstating a draft.

things such as expanding j rotc and making sure that recruiters are guaranteed full access to high schools too. >> to simple things like bringing back physical fitness to high school students every day. and when they go to school and high school, things like that, they could really improve the pool of applicants. >> because right now, they just simply don't know that these are credible career fields and we don't want to go the way of mandatory service because what's really made the american military great since the draft was ended in 1973, was affected, they're all volunteers. they're professionals who want to serve. they want to be there. they want to do right by their country. and that's makes our military so capable and so great you and i were talking before the segment about various things and i asked about d-day. >> and, you know, my thoughts. i mean, there's still with those amazing veterans that we saw on june 6, last week. you

know, these these men who and women who we are in their late 90s and 100s, just a stunning and just stirring example of bravery to americans all over the country have you been able to put your finger on what has been lost in and why? maybe americans just don't have the same reverence for military service that we have for the greatest generation for the people who fought on d-day know what i mean yeah, there are tremendous generation toughened by the depression of course. and then brought together by the spread of naziism. and of course imperial japan in world war ii they're just remarkable and they thought that war for four years and then came back home and went straight to work and raised families and built america into what she is today. but look i think that ember is still there in the hearts of america's youth. i see when i visit the academies, when i used to go to visit basic training or units out in the field, i think it's still there but again, they're a distance is grown between the american

population and the military that serves them. and we have to bring them back together and we need our national leaders to go out there and talk about the virtues of military service, about what it means to help one another to serve one another. and i do think there is also a virtue and bring them, bringing the americans together from all democrats graphics from all ethnic groups, from all religious and racism, bringing them together that would go a long distance to helping bring our country together, make us more cohesive. as cohesive as the greatest generation was nearly 80 years ago now. >> yeah, and i should note, you and i both though after 911, we saw the same kind of patriotic response. inside this country. and so does somebody extent what chris miller is saying is that maybe we need to bring back mandatory service because that doesn't exist anymore. but if there were to be a national crisis, international crisis, i agree with you. i think americans, young americans would respond in the same fashion. we have to keep fostering that kind of spirit in this country secretary mark esper, great to talk to you as always. thanks so much for your time. really appreciate it

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sponsored by a rival brand and plant-based company impossible foods. >> nathan says it has a longstanding rule banning competitors sponsored by rival brands, but major league eating says in a statement, quote, joey chestnut is an american hero. we would love nothing more than to have him at nathan's famous international hotdog eating contests, which he has dominated for years just not tweeting. he's gutted and argues the organizers are changing the rules from past years and regard to partnerships and cnn senior data reporter harry ensign is here now, eating a hot dog, though less hairy. >> what i figured we'd be talking to you about this so where's the beef here and all of this? >> what's going? but on this is going to open up the competition. i suppose. and a pretty big way how dominant has chest not been hizon this thing. >> he's absolutely owned it. just look, joey chestnut to record he is when 16 nathan. >> no, no, no, no, not another always said don't speak with

you while you're chewing your food. but anyway, anyway my mother is not here. >> that's what's most important. all right. >> he's 11617. >> last contests these in a total of 1070 hot dogs, the most at once. a world record 76. this dude eat hotdogs and his sleep, if he was here right now instead of just taking one byte, he would have finished all of the hot dogs that i have on this desk. so this dude is amazing he is an athlete. there's no question about a world-class athlete. >> and this is a tradition along the coney island boardwalk in new york harry wax poetic here. how did it start? >> this? there's a lot of myth-making with this particular contest and i actually went in, i thought maybe it started in the 19-teens, but no, it's only been every year since 1978, maybe a kind of start in the early 70s, but it's been consistent since 78. it's really been a competitive contest since 1997 when major league eating first sponsored it. and that's when we really started seeing the crowds and those competitive eaters, sometimes 40,000 plus people turn out to watch this thing.

my goodness, gracious. you've got 40,000 people to watch. anything yeah. and i don't want to think about what was going into those hot dogs back in 1918, but all move on. >> hairy chest on sponsorship change reflects this, i guess shift towards a vegan products plant-based meat. i eat some of this stuff every once in awhile. it's good stuff what are the number say in terms of what's more popular now, meet or plant-based alternatives. >> i mean, meet, it's still so dominant i mean, you just look at the profits and over the last year and you see, you know, look at the animal meat, 122 billion plant-based meat, only 806 million, far less. but you know, jim, you mentioned plant-based and i wanted to do it the taste tests right here, i got a plant-based impossible hot dog right here. all right. i'm going to take a little bite here. >> all right it looks tasty so it's nothing compared to this. i mean, this is where you want it that is where you want it. >> that is where you are right now.

>> it's where i am. i am in heaven, jim, i'm in heaven right now. fantastic. i just love hotdogs overall. there's nothing that says some are more than a nice hot dog especially one that's made in the finest city in the world at a baseball game. there's nothing better. i harry answered, i'll let you finish your food, please chu and shoe everybody and swallow and please don't show up. we're still on the year. all right. i'll be fine thanks a lot see a light, wash it down with a good beer. >> all right. see you later. and thank you for watching. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn anderson cooper 360 is next tonight on 360. what happens now that the president's son is a convicted felon and why supporters convicted felon who is running for president are still complaining about the criminal justice system, keeping them honest. also, a cnn exclusive course award goes inside a searing detention camp. were families, vices, fighters are being held and some fear of the next generation may be being born. plus we have breaking news tonight. a bus