hands, lawyers for the former president just file their answer to special counsel jack smith hall for a gag order in the classified documents case. also tonight, what we're learning about how trump and biden teams are preparing for the cnn presidential debate less than two weeks from tonight. and later, new details on the princess of wales is first public appearance since revealing her cancer diagnosis. it's gonna be tomorrow. and what it could say about the state of her treatment. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with the breaking news on a gag order jack smith says, is designed to prevent the former president from making statements that quote pose a significant, imminent and foreseeable danger to law enforcement agents participating the investigation and prosecution of this case in a statements such as the former president's false claim that he narrowly escaped death during the search of mar-a-lago. his lawyers had until today to file their counter-argument and tonight they did cnn. it's evan perez joins us now with more. so what does the filing say? >> well, anderson, the president, the former president's lawyers are

ridiculing the effort by the special counsel to have a gag order in play put in place on the former president. they're calling it an unconstitutional overreach by the special counsel. and their say this is actually a ploy to help joe biden in the election. i'll read you some of what this filing said tonight. it says like manhattan district attorney alvin bragg jack smith is seeking to restrict president trump's camp campaign speed as the first presidential debate approaches at the end of the month, that's of course the debate that's going to be here on cnn then later this month, they go on to say the following. they say that the motion is a naked effort to impose totalitarian censorship of core political speech under threat of incarceration in a clear attempt to silent president's silence, president trump's arguments to the american people about the outrageous nature of this investment and prosecution. and look, what the former president's lawyers are really homing in on. anderson

is the part of the gag order request by the special counsel for this to be a condition of his release, essentially, putting it in the hands of the probation office and that really what that would do essentially is it takes donald the hands of judge aileen cannon, who has ordered a series of hearings beginning next friday. i'll be down there in fort pierce federal court, where she'll have a number of hearings, including one on this request by the special counsel for a gag order on the former president. and as you pointed out this is really an extraordinary thing for her to be doing. so so late after the after the special counsel made this request so can you just remind people why jack smith sought this gag order in the first place? well, yeah. because as you pointed out, the former president's been making very inflammatory comments about the 2022 search of mar-a-lago. he said that the standard fbi order which which

oversees all of these all of these searches, including the search of president biden's home when as part of that client that's if i documents investigation it is the standard order for fbi agents to be armed doing doing their jobs, right? that is part of their requirement for their jobs. and what the former president has been claiming is that he was put in danger. keep in mind, he was not not present for the search at mar-a-lago and so he was never in any danger. anderson, evan perez, thanks very much. >> johnny was former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and former federal judge. sure. shetlands. so, judge, what do you make of this? the legal merits of this filing? >> well, there's something to be said for both sides as always, the government says, this is so bad and dangerous law enforcement in general, it endangers the people who took part in this rate, although they have not been identified,

but because it the tax law enforcement, you never know what his followers first, we'll do. and there was a previous incident and august of 2022, after he made the same comments and somebody attacked an fbi office so there's a risk of real danger and that's one of the reasons you can amend the conditions are balle there's a risk of danger or risk to the community on the other hand, from the trump perspective, he is on the eve of the debate. he's on the eve of the republican convention running for president president, and he wants to be able to make his classic campaign speech. but i don't know that he really needs to say that joe biden is locked and loaded and trying to take take me out. that's really all jack smith is complaining about. he'd like him to stop saying that the fbi was trying to kill them and that joe biden is trying to kill them. if you read their papers. and i did quickly tonight. those are the two things they're worried about. stop saying the fbi is trying to kill you. stop saying that president biden is trying

to kill you. they're both lives. that's for sure and they're unnecessary to his point, he can still attack the raid. he can say the rate is over the top, but as the reporter pointed out, he wasn't even there and they did it purposely when he wasn't there and they coordinated with his lawyer and that is what jack smith wants the foreign president not to be able to say that he is trying to kill him. >> that's really the two things he's most worried about when you read their brief, that he should stop saying the fbi's trying to kill me, and that joe biden is trying to kill me because that just incite people. and when people are cited, you don't know what one crazy person could do. it's a danger can you just remind people why you think trump's false claims about the boilerplate lethal force language in the mar-a-lago search warrant or is dangerous? i mean, again, that weren't was actually two and trump's is not there. and then in the secret service was obviously looped in sure. >> so you have to you have to begin with the understanding that the way that he characterized that language was

entirely deliberately misleading to create this impression that the that the fbi had been given authorization from above to essentially use lethal force against him. that's absolutely not true. the language it's just standard language. it's actually an admonishment to fbi agents telling them what to what to not do when they execute a search warrant. it's an every search warrant operations order. >> the reason it creates risk is for exactly the reasons that the judge just mentioned. >> we know that trump's most ardent followers listened very closely to everything he says when he deliberately goes on truth, social, or in his campaign mailings, says things that he knows are false. and create the impression that the fbi is out to kill him he read, raises the significant risk that someone might act out against fbi agents are an fbi office it's anywhere we know that's happened before there's no reason to think that language like this might not have the same result into trump's legal team is arguing

and i'm quoting from their brief, no fbi agent who participate in the rate has been publicly identified in a court filing or commentary by president trump, not a single fbi agent who participated in the raid, submitted an affidavit or even an argument of claiming that president trump's remarks put them at risk. what's your response to that well, he didn't there was no individual fbi agent raised the first time that he complained about the quota go illegal raid on his home at mar-a-lago and that very nonspecific language and misleading statements lead to ricky schifflin attacking the fbi field office in cincinnati, which ultimately resulted in an armed standoff in which mr. schifflin died. >> so that that part really doesn't hold much waiting for me, but i will say that there are some things that i think the government could have done better here. they filed this motion requesting what is essentially an emergency

relief, but they didn't request emergency handling by the court. they didn't request an expedited briefing schedule. i think they just assume the judge would go along with it. that was probably a false assumption. and to be quite frank, i think they're application would have been stronger had they actually included in an agent or affidavit from an fbi agent kind of bearing witness to these facts that they assert in the application. nevertheless, what they're asking for is reasonable it is narrowly tailored and it should be approved. >> gentlemen, would you be inclined to approve a gag order you know, i i was a very practical judge. i would look at trump's team and i would say, can you can you assure me that he will stop saying that the fbi is trying to kill him and the joe biden is trying to kill him that's the essence of this. if he would agree to to not say that there's no need for a gag order because gag orders are hard to enforce and how to decide who decides whether they've been violated and they do create problems.

they can be vague in their language. i understand that. so to to try to work through it, i would try to try. we're trying to be practical for somebody running with the president that they can't say they want to say their opponent one just to kill them well, but here it's very explicit this rage shows that he's out to kill me. >> he's locked and loaded, he's sending an armed agents. and as age went dark, deputy mccain, the cave just pointed out that's exactly contrary. it says you can not use the weapons unless it's absolutely necessary. and it couldn't have happened here was all coordinated. the lawyers new yes. secret service knew, and trump wasn't there. >> so, shannon, thanks very much. andrew mccabe as well. the foreign president is celebrating his 78th birthday tonight at 5,000 seat the convention center in west palm beach, florida. among the lawmakers singing his praises on stage to vice presidential hopefuls, congresswoman byron donalds, and senator marco rubio said a rubio we learned today was on hand when trump visit a republican party headquarters yesterday in washington for two advisers are calling a policy discussion,

not a debate. prep says his team, but helpful. an advisor tells the run-up to cnn's first the election presidential debate on the 27th, journeys now seen as kristen holmes and west palm beach so what have you learned about the former prisons debate prep so far? has he been doing it? >> well, there is no traditional debate prep when it comes to donald trump. but in fact, weeks ago when i asked the debate, prep is going to look like a senior advisor actually said we don't use that word current that work being separation. donald trump himself is actually having some versions of debate, brad, whether they call it that or not, they say things like hidden taken questions at the turning point event and arizona is part of debate, rabbi will let you think about what those questions are and how those might compared to a debate. those are supportive if voters that are in that room, but they view all of this as different ways to prepare him to be on the stage with president joe biden, part of the reason that they don't do it for additional the vapor up is because donald trump isn't no, just sit through or have the patience for that. it's not

going to be like what we've seen in past years or past cycles where someone six for the moderators, this case, jake tapper, dana bash, fits in for president joe biden and said, it is going to be these kind of snippets. one of them being this policy session which we know happened on capitol hill right after he met with congressional republicans they talked about a very various number of topics. marco rubio was one of the people who grew, as he said, senior adviser users, as well as senator eric schmitt of missouri. now on the topics they talked about, one that was a very critical because they believe is going to be inevitable questions in a debate what's about democracy, about january 6? how to answer questions about the attack on the capitol that day, how to answer questions about what donald trump has talked about which is pardoning the people who were involved in the attack on that de, now, obviously, they didn't give us any insight into what those answers might be, but we should expect more of these kind of policy sessions more of these interviews, they actually said that part of his debate rep, would be contentious interview

so far, we haven't really seen that ease that interviews with sean hannity and dr. phil, but all of this they say is wrapped into getting him ready to face off with president joe biden anderson. >> what's the scene like at trump's birthday celebration there playing apparently macho man by the village people that he really embraced the fact that it was his birthday yesterday, it was his team that posted republicans presenting him with a cake. >> today, they sing happy birthday to him on the stage i say that was surprised because donald trump is very much aware that his age is a factor in this race. as president joe biden's age is a factor and that's why when he goes after biden, he doesn't attack him for his age. specifically says things like it's about congress good of ability or it's about mental fitness. he doesn't talk about age because of donald trump is to win in november. he will be the oldest person to be sworn in as president and something hi again, that he is very aware of. so i was surprised to see how much they

embrace the fact that it was a 78th birthday, but he did here today greatest, heads kristen holmes, thanks very much. prison biden is heading home right now from the from the g7 summit in southern italy, capping a trip of probably meeting with pope francis, who made history himself become the first pontiff to attend a g7 gathering. this was the president's fifth papal audience. mr. biden, st. francis told him to keep taking communion as for advice on the upcoming debate, the biden campaign official tells cnn he'll be getting help from his former chief of staff, ron klain, joining us now with more on the president's debate prep, cnn's mj lee in bari, italy. >> so has the president been able to do actual debate prep? >> is he planning to anderson? he is up in the air right now heading back to the states, but beyond the box having had loved ones time last week, of course, he was in france for the d-day commemoration in italy this week for the g7. and now it really is time for him to focus

on trying to get re-elected with that first debate are only two weeks away and we are told that ron klain his former chief of staff is leading the debate prep and that has begun and the strategy really for the campaign, this tried to focus on ways of holding trump accountable. so that is really the strategy we've seen from the white house and the campaign over the last few months trying to draw the contrast on issues like reproductive rights, trying to hit trump. >> four promoting political violence undermining democracy. and i think the campaign is going to see this debate as having been successful if they feel like they have painted trump on the debate stage as chaotic and divisive. and meanwhile, president biden, standing next to him as sort of the steadier and wiser alternative campaign official so i spoke to said that president biden has been a little punchier recently in talking about donald trump. and we should expect to see that side of the president on the debate stage doesn't the president have some sort of like big fundraiser in

california on his schedule? i mean, is he actually going to be doing debate prep? i mean, continually or do we know yeah i mean his? >> first stop is los angeles. he is attending this fundraiser that is going to feature actors like george clooney and julia roberts, former president barack obama. and then on tuesday he is expected to go to another fundraiser hosted by bill and hillary clinton. so it is a busy time and the first focus as soon as he gets home is going to be on raising money. but then later in the week he is headed to camp david, and that is when the most intensive debate preparations are expected to take place. anderson, obviously this is so different from four years ago when he had a lot more time to do debate prep because he didn't have the day job that he has now i'm daily. >> thanks very much on his now to cnn, political commentators margaret hoover, the host of firing line and pbs, former biden communications director kd benningfield. >> kate, does it concern you

the schedule the president has been david axelrod, i talked to him awhile ago about prison. >> obama, his first debate in when he was running for reelection then and it didn't go well and axelrod has talked about how difficult that can be for somebody who has been president for awhile to get back into the groove of debating well i think it is tough to balance the job of being present the united states with preparing for a high-stakes debate, of course, but i would also argue there such a thing as overpreparing. >> and i think that joe biden knows the fundamental arguments he wants to make against donald trump. and i think prep a lot of prep, we'll be working through some of the specifics, but i think you know, he, he knows the message he wants to deliver and i think my sense of this is that the person who wins this debate is gonna be the person that we're not talking about in the hours after the debate. for biden, i think that means being on the attack, trying to make the debate about trump. you heard him, jay say his team is really

trying to focus on a strategy that holds trump trump accountable. but i think again, the person who comes out of this debate with the attention focused on him, we'll probably be the loser. and so for biden, i think he's got to be aggressive and he's got to have trump on the defensive. and i think he's preparing to do that. >> moore grandma should also point out on in terms of trump, i mean, he hasn't debated anybody since 2020 either and clearly, you know, he probably isn't doing a more standard debate. prep is a given, you know, he's not interested in facts and figures and things like that. but in terms of strategy, i mean, i think back to his debate against hillary clinton, back in 2016, where he was the second debate he was wandering around the stage. it was very unexpected how do you think he's going to handle this i think that donald trump and we all know this seize this opportunity as a very, he sees this as an opportunity to

present himself once again to the american people in a state on a stage, right? >> i think he's thinking about this, not as the policy points is going to make the arguments he's going to litigate. >> but as a sticking opportunity to show that he can be presidential again, i mean, i think he's, he realizes that all the preska is gotten in the last several weeks has been as a criminal defendant. >> his the most frequently his mug shot has been shown. images of his face have been thrown without other than his rallies, we have not seen him really commanding the stage in charge of his narrative. and so i think wounding him to washington, dc, having him meet with senators on capitol hill. all of this is part of putting him in this position of appearing presidential once again, i think he sees this as an opportunity, very much like you saw the stage of the apprentice to play a role and

present himself once again as somebody who can inhabit the weighting of the office of the presidency kid. >> i mean, sometimes president biden, publicly speaking, is soft-spoken. he's sort of squinting, reading off a teleprompter, making a speech then other times he's like at the state of the union where he seems to be kind of expecting and ready for and more than energetic engage in giving back combative with those who are being combative with him in the audience. >> i'm not sure which technique works in this kind of a debate format. what do you expect? >> well, i can tell you he is a game day player. he's somebody who really dials in on the big moments. he really focuses in on the big stage and he knows what the stakes are. so i would imagine that we will see a very energized and aggressive joe biden on the debate stage. and

i think if you look at their exchanges in 2020 you see that not only was biden, i think aggressive and successful at pressing his case and presenting himself the voice of stability as compared to trump's chaos. >> but there were also a lot of moments where he really allowed trump to just run and essentially destroy himself. >> and i think that biden will be smart about using those moments, standing back, letting trump's show the country who he is on the debate stage. >> we're going to think trump will just sort of attack, attack in ways that one doesn't normally see in a debate stage or or i mean, to your point earlier, do you think he will try to subvert expectations? somehow luck. >> he is he's not going to try so already is going to try to win. it's gonna be difficult for him. i mean, we all know trump performs best in front of an audience, in front of a crowd when he's feeding off the energy that's being fed back to him. this is not gonna be that as we know, this is going to be in a cnn studio in atlanta with very serious

interviewers talking about i'll see point. and so i actually think the dynamic does not play well to donald trump strengths noralyn hoover, kate benningfield. >> thanks very much. come up next to sandy hook families, get one step closer to finally collecting at least some damages from conspiracy pusher alex jones bankruptcy judges ruling the controversy over some of it and reaction from connecticut senator richard blumenthal, also tonight, a royal return. kate middleton will make a public appearance tomorrow, the first since announcing or cancer diagnosis and the latest on the state of her health can i want to be with him and to be with my family i want you to join your brothers in the rank. welcome to the show i just love being out there with you guys the only thing that matters to me

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spoke with two survivors of the sandy hook massacre, first-graders than young women in high school graduates. >> now, they talked about all they'd been through over the last 12 years starting with the moment they learned that 20 classmates had been murdered along with six staffers their journey in that of those who lost loved ones has been made a measurably worse by conspiracy peddler alex jones, who falsely claimed that sandy hook was a hoax jones has yet to pay sandy hook families any of the approximately $1.5 billion in court judgments that he owes them today, a texas bankruptcy judge approved the liquidation of jones personal assets. the judge rejected a plan to liquidate his company saying it was in the best interests of creditors to let it keep operating and earning money our next guest knows the impact of alex jones cruelty allies senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, senator. does the judges really make sense to me that alex jones is personal assets should be liquidated, but that families we'd be better off if his show basically continued anderson, the families have been through a really tough week.

>> i will say i've talked to a number of them because their children would have graduated this week from high school and a number of those young people who were classmates and the report that you did was absolutely gripping and heartbreaking and moving would have graduated with them but this ruling make sense in terms of chapter 11 bankruptcy law in terms of the ultimate effect that alex jones can continue broadcasting his bottom feeding gatera, sniping conspiracy theory well he has a right and the first amendment to express himself. >> but the connecticut families who might note sought to shut down that operation. infowars and free speech systems. and the argument could be made very

forcefully and they trying to make it that the bankruptcy judge should have not only liquidated his personal assets, but also stopped him from this kind of continuing right-wing trash. free speech systems is the name of the company that jones has. so i mean, he can continue to spread laws online until i i guess he gets sued again and the families i think we'll continue to pursue not only assets, but also justice in so far as they are seeking to not silence him necessarily, but deprived him of the huge system and set of assets that he uses to broadcast. >> this stuff, to use a euphemism stuff for what he is actually spreading yeah. >> i mean, he makes a lot of money. i mean, he's selling supplements, is selling all sorts of products the supreme court's today struck down the

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she feels weak and tired. she says her treatment is ongoing and will be for a few more months. the princess of wales says she's also focusing on the joys of life engaging in our children's school life and starting to work from home meanwhile, a much-anticipated announcement in her first appearance since last year three and hopes to participate in saturday's traditional trooping. the colour which marks king charles the thirds official birthday parade, a buckingham palace spokesperson said the king is delighted and looking forward to having the princess join him at his birthday parade. it'll culminate in a balcony appearance. the whole family, including case up there, a buckingham palace. people are so excited to catch that first glimpse that already camping overnight, but they're being warned. this is not a return to full-time duties. for the princess significant. nonetheless, this will be kate's first public

engagements since christmas for months her absence was the object of much speculation, which grew stronger. after a photograph released by kensington palace was found to be digitally manipulated soon after kate released this video dispelling the rampant rumors about her well-being by sharing her cancer diagnosis. >> this of course, came as a huge shock and william and i have been doing everything we can to process and manage this privately for the sake of our young family. >> kate appears alone, again, a stark reminder that despite the good news, her journey ahead is still difficult and deeply personal. every time we see the princess on saturday, she'll be with her children in the carriage up on the balcony. and that really speaks to everything she's been trying to do this year away from a treatment. and that is make sure they're okay before she's ready to step back into that public role anderson. thanks. sir. thanks so much. cnn chief medical

correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta joins me now so what's your reaction to the prince of wales think she's she's not out of the woods yet well, this just sounds like such a tough chapter going through this obviously, so much in the public guy, young children i think when she's talking about not being out of the woods, i think it's probably two main things, which is that this chemotherapy is it actually doing what they hope it does? >> is it? >> really addressing these cancer cells? >> but the second thing is when you're taking chemo you can have a lot of side effects. i mean, not as bad as they used to be ten years ago. there's we've gotten much better, but still, you can have significant fatigue. you can have significant impacts on the body, mood issues as well. and these things can fluctuate, not just day-to-day, but even hour to hour or so. it's a long road, still is what i think she's saying by not out of the woods yet get started. >> what she called preventative chemotherapy in february and today she revealed her treatment will continue for

what she said was months is that typical for chemotherapy yeah. >> we don't know. still as you know, anderson, what what kind of cancer this is. and people, a lot of people speculating obviously about this, but we don't know what the cancers, we don't know what the stage of the cancer is. cancer and then what stage is it? don't know what the medications are, the cheese receiving, but if you say look, is it possible someone could be taking chemotherapy for six months? nine months, even? >> yeah there are certain cancers that do warrant that. and again, it's dependent on the type of cancer, but also the staging and as you said, she hasn't revealed the type of cancer is it was discovered during what was described as major abdominal surgery in january what stands out to you about that yeah. we can put the timeline up here as well. so she had major abdominal surgery in the immediate after the math of that, you may remember. they

said this is non, was non-cancerous but then it came back to be revealed this cancer. so i don't think they expected this initially but you know, when you hear major abdominal surgery again without speculating too much you there's lots of things that that's sort of it could still be uterus, colon, liver ovaries. there's all these different things. but i think we just don't know we just don't know. and many of those things could have similar courses of treatment many months of chemotherapy following the abdominal surgery. so there's still a lot of things that are possible here, but what an amazing picture of her where she looks like, she's doing pretty well and we'll see how she's doing tomorrow as well jen, i mean, is it or things found during surgeries or is it in the preparation for surgery that tests are done? yeah. so typically what happens is there's some reason for the operation maybe somebody has symptoms that warrants a

testing, including scans and they say, well, they're here's here's an issue warrant. they have the operation and they think it's not cancer either because of the at the time of the operation or because of the scans but then what happens anderson? as they look they look carefully at this under the microscope, basically saying, hey, look, do we see any cancer cells here? and it sounds like in this case they did after the operations so unexpected. and they also seem to be saying as a result of this chemotherapy we think we probably removed a lot of this, but we still suspect that there is cancer that has left behind as well and that's what the chemotherapy is. four, maybe we can't see it on a scan. but based on what we know of this type of cancer, there could be cells left behind and we have to treat that. >> sanjay. thanks very much. good to just ahead. major new belmont more than three decades later in the case of pamela smart, the high school staffer, who seduced a 15-year-old and pressured him into murdering her husband. details on what's happened next.

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husband's killing gary tuckman has more gregg smart was still a newlywed when he was shot to death this is his widow today. my name is pamela smart i've, been incarcerated since 1990. i was convicted of being an accomplice to murder, the murder of her husband pamela smart, was found guilty more than 33 years ago in a courtroom in exeter, new hampshire, in a trial that captivated the nation even inspiring a movie starring nicole kidman and joaquin phoenix, loosely based on the case that's the truth. he doesn't deserve to live i'll say this defendant, guilty or not guilty of the offence, charming. guilty she was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, and has never acknowledged her guilt until now, more than three decades later on this video to new hampshire state officials, my

husband's murder, i had to acknowledged for the first time in my own, you mind and my own heart. >> how responsible i was because i had deflected blame all the time. >> gregg smart was actually shot and killed by a 15-year-old high school student, who pamela smart's head while working as a median structure at their school and hampton, new hampshire and pulled the trigger. >> bill flynn and three other boys who helped him were all convicted, but accepted a plea bargain to testify against pamela smart, who prosecutor said masterminded the murder, and wanted her husband dead to collect insurance money the four collaborators were all released from prison years ago. i was guilty. i would have pleaded guilty and plea bargain with the rest of them pamela smart is asked for clemency before despite never acknowledging her guilt. >> i interviewed her in prison in 2005. >> you might be better off saying while i did this and i

have remorse parser, whatever, but that would be lying and that's just not the truth. and i feel like that i just don't feel like that that would be the right thing to do. >> 34, years is a very long time. >> but in this new video, along the packet of information sent to the governor in a state executive council that deals with clemency issues. >> she writes, this quote. it has taken me decades to come to a place where i can more fully understand and accept responsibility for my inexcusable actions and behavior 33.5 years ago, i'd lied to myself and rationalize that because i wasn't there the night greg was murdered because i didn't pull the trigger. i wasn't responsible. i became comfortable my warped logic because i didn't want to face the fact that greg's murder was no one's fault, but my own mark cysteine has been pamela smart's attorney since shortly after her arrest in 1990. >> we're asking the governor and council to grant her eligible eligibility for parole and leaving it to the parole

board to trb to determine whether she should return to society regarding her clemency request, the state's governor, chris sununu, has released a statement to cnn saying, new hampshire is process for commutation or pardon requests is fair and thorough pamela smart will be given the same opportunity to petition the council for a hearing as any other individual? >> gregg smarts devastated parents were at the trial and always fought to keep the woman convicted and his murder in prison. his mother judi, died in 19988 years after her son was killed. and i'll leave the gold. i talked to his father william in 2005. he called on pamela smart to admit her culpability and remain steadfast in his anger. you just a wonderful sudden any father would be proud to have him as a sudden i wish to god that he was here, but i can't get them back. so i have to just go forward and i have to continue to fight or and i'm going to do it till the day i die five years later in 2010, williams smart died never

getting the chance to finally here the woman responsible for killing his son admit that greg's murder was nobody's fault, but her own qarrah tuckman joined just now. so fascinated to see i hadn't remembered that. i hadn't remembered this case until we've talked about it. when does the bid for clemency come up or write sensors? >> so this new hampshire executive council and the governor have regular meetings, usually every month they discuss state business and they discussed clemency. but the attorney for pamela smart's says he doesn't know when they will discuss pamela smart could be later this summer, could be sometime next year, but he doesn't know yet. >> all right. gary tucker. and thanks so much. appreciate him coming next. who knew that? eating hot dogs fast would be so controversial this year. it is eating champion joey chestnut as of now will not be competing in the nathan's famous hot dog eating contest. this fourth of july would tell you where he will be competing so get out the napkins and condiments, harry enten it's friday night, clearly has brought some hot dogs and has

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week, that's a sentence i never thought i'd say i didn't know competitive eating was really thing. >> joey chestnut cannot compete in this year's nathan's a famous fourth of july hot dog eating contest in new york's coney island. the reason major league eating, which i guess on major league eating, which oversees the annual competition, says that chestnut signed a deal with one of nathan's rivals, plant-based impossible foods making him ineligible to compete however, he will be eating his way through a labor day face off with his arch rival to carol kobayashi. >> in any case, he's a nathan's champs 16 times over three years ago, he had a world record 76 hot dogs in ten minutes. >> or senior data reporter harryette and joins us ice. first of all, believe maybe he will compete. there may be a little work something out and this is some sort of promotional wouldn't surprise me if there's promotional things go on but hot dogs, i did bring hot dogs. welcome to enten slaughterhouse here we have a load of hot dogs, a lot of different types, different toppings, and we're going to make our way, haven't had a hot dog and years while my friend,

you are infrared treat tonight, let me tell you how to sales of plant-based meat products and regular animal products? yeah. yeah. you know, all this got me thinking, okay, the plant-based industry seems to be hot, hot, hot, but how does it compare to the animal eat industry animal meat industry. and i got eating on my mind. we've got through that in a second, but it turns out that the animal meat industry look at that crushing the plant-based meat industry. we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars for animal meat versus just hundreds of millions eons of dollars for plant-based meat. but anderson, i hope that you'll be willing to partake with me. sure. and some eating here because i want to try a meat and a plant-based and see which one okay. so why don't we go for this one the furthest one away from you right now, is this, is this meter plan. well try it how does that change for anybody like me? >> okay, let's try the other one go ahead what do you like

about that? i don't. know it looks totally i mean, it looks like it's some way like this. it doesn't look real. so this is, this is, this is the impact that's the impetus that's the impossible. i really okay. so you work correct. so did you like them that you'd like to be hotdogs and maybe a sharp hospital more often no, no, no edges is terrible for you, isn't it? i mean, it's terrible for you, but you have a lip light once in a while, have some water by the way, if you need to, the definition of living life lightning. so nothing like that ever talked chip cookie or a big mac. how about how about a big mac, a hot dog and a chocolate chip cookie? i would go for that. what is so i've never had coleslaw that is my personal favorite and i'm not going to have any color. i don't want to and i've never had actual just mustard. so interestingly enough, mustard is the number one condiment is. yes, it is.

>> that blows me away there was a marist poll, there's pulling on everything as i liked the thought ketchup. no ketchup is number two at 30% mustard. number one at 40 27%. and i understand that joey chestnut is having a rematch with kobayashi on netflix. he had they signed a netflix deal. they have for labour de for labor day the last time that they matched up. i'm going to have this julia, you have the chili dog let's see some chili dogs sold on the last time that they matched up. i'll inform the audience as we eat stress not was able to crush kobayashi. i believe he's been at him multiple times and so this should be a very interesting match-up where we get these arch rivals going against each other. kobayashi and chestnut have not faced off in a while. and i think there's a real question about what exactly will occur here. now anderson, i do have to say how many hot dogs do they eat? a der roughly, do know. oh, yeah. they roughly they could be eating into the 50s, the 60s and 70s. as a matter of not with buns though. no, you have

to eat the bonus as well. you have to you have to dip and so kobayashi able absolutely dip the buns and hot dogs in the water and then stuff from down his mouth. my son has been different so from water and i keep donald maybe it can be here's what we're gonna do you have to eat some mustard hot dogs right now because you've never done it before. anderson cooper has never folks. anderson cooper has never had mustard on a hot dog in his life. i mean, what's the point if you'd like catch up? wow, need mustard. how is that possible if no, why do you need it? you need it because it tastes good and trump his good night. my masters. how is it possible you never more if ketchup is good enough, you don't need more things, don't need what's sauerkraut? and i've never had that. the more the merrier mr. cooper. now, you're having trial. i've tried to go to i was out for you. >> i don't see the point. you see the point? i don't see the 0.0 get the heck out at some point could you just at least know i'm not going to call a solution. that was my mother's favorite. you're disappointing my mom. you're disappointing, dr. strasburg. all right. how he entered. thanks very much. the news continues urin