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x ed to 231231. >> this situation room with wolf blitzer welcome to week nitric six cnn are they dueling canaries in the coal mine? >> i, michael smerconish in philadelphia. this week came to different events that might forecast the outcome of the 2024 american election. first, the elections in europe that leaned right. and second, the arrest of eight foreign nationals believed seem to be affiliated with isis, who entered via the mexican border. i have amazing expertise on hand to discuss each kurt volker, former us ambassador to nato at richard clarke, former adviser to three us presidents. first to the eu elections last weekend, which saw right-wing populist parties score big wins driven in part by board what or politics and inflation? far-right parties won 134 of the european parliament's 720 seats forming a substantial

block against mainstream parties, assembling coalitions that are needed to pass laws. the right gain significantly in the union's three biggest countries, france, germany, italy, in france, marine le pen's rn party won more than 31% of the vote, more than doubling president emmanuel macron coalition party, which had only 14.6% of the vote that prompted macron to dissolve the national assembly and call for a risky snap election in germany, the right quote alternative for germany party had its best ever showing. >> and in italy, the anti-immigrant and right-wing incumbent giorgia meloni's brothers of italy also won. >> many are now wondering if this is reminiscent of june in 2016 when the uk voted in favor of brexit, which ended up foreshadowing donald trump's victory that fall joining out is kurt volker, former us ambassador to nato. he also served as the special representative for ukraine

negotiations. what do you think ambassador is this a canary in a coal mine? how predictive do you believe the eu elections are of the united states? >> well, as always with things, there are similarities and their differences there are frustrations in europe with immigration just like there are in the united states, frustrations about the economy just like there are in the united states. but the patterns you are a little bit different in the uk, they're going to have a general election july 4th, and it looks very likely that the pain and in germany and france to the country, as i just mentioned, the losses for the incumbent seem to be more frustration with the incumbents than about an ideological direction. >> i think yeah, we're having trouble with the ambassador. let's hope to get him back and

move on to richard clarke if we can. okay. gang on radio. i often say that the election will be influenced by people we've never heard of events, we could never imagine. well, this week came news that ate too tajikistan nationals with potential ties to isis were arrested in los angeles, philadelphia, and new york on immigration charges the suspects crossed into america from our southern border. and michael morale, the former acting director of the cia and harvard professor graham allison. they just outlined for the journal foreign affairs. this piece titled the terrorism warning lights are blinking red. again, saying that officials are sounding the alarm for the potential rise of error and gaps of security at the border, adding quote, the fact that several serious plots in the united states have been foiled, point to an uncomfortable but unavoidable conclusion. put simply, the united states faces a serious threat of a terrorist attack in the months ahead so could a national security threat coming across our borders up and the

us presidential election campaigns often game theory just the sort of scenarios. in fact, in 2008 richard clarke, the former white house counterterrorism coordinator helped then candidate barack obama plantar response to a hypothetical the gold attack by israel on iran's nuclear program. clark and his team later found out that that potential scenario almost happen. but the bush white house at intervene today, it's were kaddish.com. he's published a theoretical analysis of terror and how it could upend the 2024 campaign. joining me now is richard clarke. he's a former adviser to three us presidents and coauthor of warnings, finding cassandra's to stop catastrophes. so richard clarke, welcome back, game this out god forbid, if something were to occur, how would it be responded to by the biden administration, and how might trump seek to take advantage? >> well, i think something like this could happen. the fbi

director christopher wray has been publicly warning about it something like this did happen in moscow in march of this year, an isis attack that killed 130 people at the concert so let's imagine the concerts in the united states and it happens in september or october. the october surprise you know what trump will say, he'll say this is a sign that biden fell down on the job. that biden was weak that biden abandoned afghanistan even though trump would have to and he will say that these people came across the mexican border whether or not we know at the time that they did all of that will hurt the biden campaign. a lot. unless it inoculates itself. now and how will it do that? you mentioned the article in foreign affairs and which morel and allison suggests something they suggest that we do now, a 1999 style alert

1999, bill clinton asked me to put the country on alert on the terrorism alert in december of that year. and we shook the trees. we looked everywhere, we questioned everybody. we augmented all the personnel we could and we stopped two or three attacks. that's the kind of thing that biden needs to do. now do you think that those forces that are antagonistic toward the united states, whether it's potent and russia and the submarine and cuba, whether it's china and she, whether it's north korea, whether it's isis, are acting in the manner that they are. so as to impact the outcome of the us election there's no doubt that russia and china want to affect the outcome of the us election. >> not only by their overt actions, but by their covert actions. they're both engaged actively in us social media through fake accounts trying to

promote frankly the trump narrative. >> we know that they want that outcome and we can expect that they will do something in october as the time gets closer to the election what's clarke, some might be surprised to hear that the game theory aspect of this takes place that in a campaign such as we're in the midst of right now, they actually do prepare themselves for possible scenarios. can you say any more about the role you played in 2008, as i described in your introduction? >> yeah, susan rice was the national security adviser for that campaign. and she asked me to put together a group of so-called dirty minds people who could think of bad things that could happen not paranoids but people with experience who could look at tea leaves and see what could happen in the next two or three months. now, we should be doing this all the time but we do it almost every election season. the campaign

and the administration put together a little secret cells to think about the unthinkable. think about what the opponent, not the campaign opponent, but foreign policy opponent might do and how you would react to that kind of surprise so that you have a script in advance. you've thought it out in advance you're really not caught flat-footed. when it happens, we came up with about ten scenarios for obama and thankfully none of them happened but as you pointed out, the israeli bombing of iran almost happened ambassador volker, if we've re-established, our connection, and i hope that we have. >> can you give us a final thought on what i'm discussing with richard clarke? how might the international perspective influence the us election yeah, i think that richard is exactly

right. >> that prospect of a terrorist attack is real that the social media engagement of china and russia in our election is real. >> and it is aimed at influencing the election. >> now that social media but a terrorist attack, what would clearly have an effect, probably people rallying around the president gentlemen, thank you both appreciate your expertise. >> as always, what are your thoughts at home? hit me up on social media. i'll read some responses throughout the course of the program from the world of x, formerly known as twitter it's only a matter of time before someone who crossed the border illegally is involved in a terror attack will it be before the election? who knows? chuck baker? we all hope that you're wrong. but the sheer volume when you stop and think about, i think the number was close to 300,000 and counters last december, which set a record. the sheer volume of those who've come across the border make the odds high that

there will be maybe not an act of terror. but acts of serious crime they murder, be they rape. and we've seen that borne out. and when they are, you can rest assured there'll be shown on a loop. and made fodder for this campaign i want to know what you think go to my website. it's were cottage.com and answer today's poll question. it actually directly relates to me asking ambassador volker about the significance of the eu election. will the maga movement outlast donald trump, something that it's a phenomena simply tied to him, me, i look at the results in the eu and i say there's something much larger than trump that's taking place and it's all around the globe, largely driven by migration and porous borders up ahead, you're looking at catherine princess of wales, earlier today when she made her first public appearance in months on the buckingham palace balcony attending king charles birthday parade known as trooping of the color. we're going to get a report from london and smartphones aren't just thousand dollars toys, they contain our entire lives,

including getting banking and credit card data, which is why street thieves keep grabbing them. >> in london. one is stolen every six minutes. what can you do to prevent it? what can you do? two if it happens to you plus, i sat down with acting legend kevin costner to talk about horizon. is long plan multi-part western feature film that he stars in directly did you wrote and invested 38 million of his own dollars? why did he pursue it this way? be sure to sign up for my smerconish.com news it's letter where you're going to find exclusive content from political cartoonists. can i say this, steve breen drew that for us this week. can you read the soundcloud? hunter on the top bunk? trump down below? you know, nobody loves his country more than i do. i believe me, i've sacrificed so much more than any president yada, yada, yada yeah, that is hunter biden receiving the harshest possible sentence five good things.

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i guess that's to be expected yeah. >> she looked perhaps then but she was incredibly well i thought and had a smile on her face and i think for the public, it was just fantastic get to see her after so many months while she's been recovering and undergoing treatment for cancer. of course, she is not out yet. we're not expecting to see her regularly events like this and big official events is going to be a case-by-case basis. and we believe the prince of wales will liaise with her medical team each time to see or not whether it works and whether she's she just feeling good on the day today, was one of those good days and it was rather fitting because this was of course the king's birthday parade. it's also called trooping the colour now, which is a big military event that as a way to market. and the regimen that was part of this today is actually the regimen, the princess of wales is cattle off. so as particularly fitting she was able to be there. and i have to say each year this is the event that really royal fans loved the most because it's the one that brings the

whole royal family together. because at the end you see them gathering on that balcony of buckingham palace, just that behind me and you see them gathering to wave to the crowds and see a fly pass. and really that's a snapshot in history because each year, the same day, each year, you see who's on that balcony and it changes over the years. >> under queen, less of a second. >> that was quite a large group. normally the balcony, 40 he or more people extended family, it's become a really slim down monarchy at this stage with prince harry and the duchess of sussex of course, departing for the us s, that's only made at slimmer. and so in recent months with both the king and the princess of wales undergoing treatment for cancers that's been an even more son dam monarchy. so really for the public, this was a really crucial moment to see them all together up there anna, is there anything else on the summer calendar, summer tradition? >> chablis, a slower time for seeing the royals. when might we next see her so i think what we're going to have to do is

really look at what's cool. >> the court circular. it's incredibly golden, very british, but i can hear thunder now that is also very british. and that will just be a list of general events but the world's via possible, there's nothing as big as trooping the colour coming up in the diary, but it will be week to week, whether or not there's maybe a foundation event or a charitable event at the prison us wants to be a part of that and she feels that she can be a part of so i think there won't be anything significant in the diary. and as you say, to be honest, the royals do take a lot of the summit office vacation. so i think it will be a quiet few weeks ahead anna stuart, thank you for your report from buckingham palace. >> we appreciate it now to another story from london, mobile phone theft is ramping. and our whole lives are stored in these little devices. everything from our personal photos to our finances you're walking down the street, you're sitting at a cafe. suddenly you're the victim of a mobile phone mugging sometimes by a pedestrian walking by sometimes by someone riding on an e-bike. what i was in london last week,

the tabloids were filled with stories of such incidents. one thief, finally apprehended, had stolen two dozen phones in one day and it's not just the thousand dollar phone thereafter. it's all the data on them, including banking and credit card information. according to the trade group payments industry intelligence in the year ending this past january, there was 33% increase in reported mobile phone theft in the united kingdom with losses from mobile banking fraud increasing 17% sent to nearly 24 million with an average loss per victim of nearly $3,000. i happen to have witnessed and attempted theft on my trip to london last week, last saturday afternoon at a time when i would normally be here delivering this program, my wife and i are having a beer with our frequent cnn guest, nyu business school professor scott galloway in marla bone, sitting in an outdoor cafe, all of a sudden there's this explosion of activity. people shouting, gathering round, right where we were one man had another by the throat,

screaming to a woman who was at the next table. he tried to steal your phone? apparently this guy had, walked up with papers in his hand, laid them down as if to ask her a question when his real intent was to scoop up her phone, they called the police. police didn't arrive. the guy was ultimately let go and fled the scene, but it raised the question like, what can you do to prevent this type of an outcome? and what do you do if it does happen? my next guest has the expertise and the firsthand experience. david birch is an adviser and global comment or on digital identity and digital money. wired magazine named him a top source for business information. his books include identity is the new funny. he wrote this piece for forbes, my iphone was stolen. i survived. so did my bank accounts welcome to the program. tell me what happened to you? >> hey. michael will happen to me was exactly what you just described. i was sitting in a

cafe actually having a business meeting, talking with a colleague of mine and a woman came up waiting some papers around. she puts the paper on the table you waver away. she goes a few seconds later, you glance down and my phone has gone and i knew she taken us. i ran out the door after her, but there was a car waiting for she jumped into a car drove off my phone was gone so i panicked for a couple of seconds, but then i did what i think most people should do in these circumstances, which is i went straight to where it straight online, use my friends laptop, and i logged into icloud and change my password reported the bonus stolen wiped all the data from the phone and made sure all that was taken care of is the number one most important thing is to stop looking, getting into your cloud so it did that. is there anything i use, david, is there anything that color is there anything that can be done? is there anything that can be done in

anticipation? the preventative measure. is there anything that we can do to protect ourselves should this happen i mean, if you're going to have your phone out in public, there's not much you can do to stop it. >> it's the honest truth because you're walking down the street with a $1,000 and for the for the thieves, that's very tempting. but i think what you said is correct. it isn't just that they're stealing because obviously, the photos is worth some money and they'll either sell it or they'll send it abroad to be broken up and pass or something like that. but i wasn't worried about the value of the foe i had insurance my insurance company but i was worried about was the data and stopping people and getting access to that data is the number one job. i did. what everybody should do because i turned off previewing the messages when the phone is locked down because the criminals is that there are lots of banks, credit card companies they'll send one time passwords to the phone and

you can see that pop up on the screen before it disappears, you need to turn that off to stop them from doing that. you need to change the password right away so they don't get into it. then you need to call the phone company to block the phone, which is also what i did and then i called the police. don't call the police first. make sure the phone is safe. make sure your data is safe, then called the police david, these don't seem like they're they they said, well, they seem they seem as if these are organized crime rings. >> can you address that so you're absolutely right about that, michael, because the idea that these kids, they're riding up on the bikes i'm taking the foe now, the idea that there it specialists who are going to know exactly what to do with no, that's not true. >> this gangs, so the kids or stealing phones. they're handing them onto gangs. and

the gangs then conduct in the frauds, which is what they really want. because remember, if i if i steal your phone, i'm ceiling thousand dollars. if i can get into your bank account, i can still $100,000. so that's what they really want. and in fact, after my phone is stolen, because i've locked it up and there's only could do it for a few weeks, i would get messages. hello, this is apple. we found your phone, please login here to prove it's yours. hello, this is your phone company. please login here to prove this phone is, et cetera, et cetera, because the criminals desperately need to get into the firm. what they want is the data, not the phone. so i'm just saying to people, it's all about protecting the data i'm happy to have the conversation with you as almost a public service announcement for people in the states who are traveling abroad. because this seems to be an issue in major european cities. i haven't seen evidence that it's out of control here in the states as it is overseas. but my hunches,

it will soon come this way, if not already, you get the final word i think it's growing quickly and in all major cities. >> but i think what's happened is people's awareness of it fortunately are starting to go up and the tech companies actually are helping air because apple and google have introduced new services to make it harder for people to change their passwords after they stole and that kind of thing, if people would just spend a few minutes going through their phone settings, going through their security settings, making sure all of that is turned on it's a much better is a much better way to protect yourself when the phone gets stolen. honestly, michael, there isn't really a limit to what the police can do. they just aren't enough policeman to go and track all of these phones. so you just need to get the phone set up to make sure your data's say i'm unfortunately it's the modern world. i don't think is you can do to stop these kids at monday. >> yeah. and i'm taking away a

number of bits of advice from david birch, not the least of which is that the first call should be two, your service provider and not to the police. thank you for being here. we appreciate it well, the world social action. >> thank you, sir. thank you. social media reaction, lot of long distance connections on today's program doing the best we can ken how about we re-establish law and order, make the penalties for trafficking and stolen property and stealing severe thieves steal our quality of life, which is contrary to reconstitution. >> okay? all of that is true. this is a particular issue that i wanted to focus everybody's attention on because it's i mean, it's where's mine right here. it's not it's not your phone. it's your life. it's all those family photographs and it's the banking information and it's it's absolutely everything and i don't think of it walking around on the streets in philadelphia or being abroad as walking around flashing $1,000

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journey of the american expansion out west during the civil war era, audiences at the con film festival gave the film and costner and 11 minutes standing ovation last month. the advanced reviews they've been mixed. i thought it was terrific and here's my interview with kevin costner on why this passion project that he conceptualized back in nine 18, 88 was worth taking that risk thoroughly enjoyed your movie. >> thank you. >> i watched it on my home television because it was an advance and i thought to myself, you would probably think that's heresy because this is a movie intended for a big screen. >> the reality is that there is a there is a difference. >> but the movie still has to speak to you whether it's this big or this big or this big the only way that happens is if you somehow buy-in to what's being said, what's being filmed, how it's been linked together. for

me growing up, going to the movies was like an event and the theater in my hometown, which still exists, the county theater in doyle's town, pennsylvania. it was a happening and i kinda got that feel from just the tone and the vibe of your film. and i guess that's what was intended for me. i it's a film that needs a curtain, write it open. >> and what happens is in you think to yourself, something magical can happen. >> horizon, an american saga. what's intended with the subtitle. >> there's probably more to it than the nurse should be i make my storage until they're done and i knew that there was four movies here. and they are linked and they are built like a novel for me, sometimes people say, what's the book you're reading? other thing is any good first on her page as we're man did it. boom when you can't have a boom? unless you have those first hundred pages, you can have it you lay the framework, you lay how

people are going to look, how they're going to move the landscape. and so i'm in love with that. i'm in love with the first hundred pages. >> is it all going to converge? i mean, it's you and it's sienna miller. you're on horseback. she's with child. there's wagon train, their the settlers who are battling the elements. and it to some extent, yeah, digitalis, it's coming together. >> well, what happens is people were there there was a promise of the west, which is if he were mean enough, toughen up smarten of yukata, own some okay. and fliers were being made in chicago. that's why i ended that moment. there was a man flipping things, right? and it's just a lie about what occurs they become more elaborate. you can catch a trout in that river. and yet he will show up and he will be dealt with and you'll love it and so for me, it's a big secret. what each one is, not a secret, it's more of a surprise when i go to the movies with my wife, i'm usually there for the

gratuitous sex violence, some profanity and then on the way out i'll say to her. so what was that all about? is there a message to this? or is it pure entertainment? >> the message is that if you can't place yourself back 150 years, you're not going to understand the need of water and the idea of bathing and maybe you need to watch what other people do and get up early, do what they do. so we think, oh yeah, we've heard there's water in the desert but what happens is i like to go that extra step where in one guy won't talk to his wife and the guy goes, well, i will. and the guys you go expect to understand quit looking and they're just as mean that i liked the literacy of movies. so maybe there's no less lesson, but it's like can you feel that that could have been you sing your son, come back into a room when he should have disappeared down a whole yeah. and there's no moment at that point that's why simply says

tim, are you ready all right give me the data know thanks. so dad are you ready to die? >> that's what i didn't add the line die on purpose. i just said, are you ready this is i think so. >> the two step release is also very unique. come in june, come back at the end of summer, it occurs to me that if i hadn't seen fast and furious one through 27 and i went to see 28. it wouldn't matter. it wouldn't matter. right? in this. case, it's going to matter. it is going to matter. and and three is two is just dependent on three and four as and i'm not making it up. it's done. it's written, it's where it's going.

>> and it's just a story too. >> perhaps revisit its language the language is the star of the movie, women are the star of my westerns quite honestly you gotta thing for the american west. >> you obviously are passionate about this. you've been working on it literally for decades and it's been in the press and you've confirmed it, you've written a big check to make it happen. why are you so passionate about horizon? >> it's been a series of checks. >> are the kicks over, or i get to know, look at it i'm me. listen, i've been so happy that some of the things that have happened, i mean, i have been able to amass a certain thing. i appreciate what i've have and i want to try to protect it but not detect it to the point that i can't make a move and risk that to do this because this is what speaking to me i was just going somewhere my relationship with an audience is to take them to a place that surprises me because i believe it will surprise them that they

will find honor and the way people live not find dishonor and the way people conduct themselves. and now, maybe have a little empathy for both. >> final question, you know, i'm a political guy people love looking at your last project through a political lens. surely you know that, right? it's like championed and some states maybe even more than others do you think about that in terms of what your work and how you're perceived politically no, not really the one thing i love about america as you can go in that booth and you can still close the curtain on what it is you think and do what you feel is right and there's times when you can, you feel like your voice needs to be hurting. >> there's other times when you can to tinea to listen. i can see i see things really clearly for myself. i under this country means an incredible amount to me flag means something to me that people who lives cut short defending it is

you know, we we have something to protect, something to push forward, and we've and only way we get there as to lose our ego and fall back and have a higher understanding what public service means. >> good luck with horizon. thank you. thank you. >> i love that last answer. love that last answer about his faith in america and love of the flag governor dutton yellowstone for those of us who are, who are fans, good fleck. go see it kind of gutsy. you gotta go see it on the big screen and he's got the first to installments. >> so it's like good oh, and june come back in august still kind of more of your best and worst social media comments don't forget to vote on today's poll question. it's where kaddish.com, the maga movement is it going to outlast donald trump? and while you're there voting, sign up for the free and worthy daily newsletter. >> i mean, come on, scott status drew this for

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i love these editorial cartoons and i also love your social media reaction, catherine, what do we have some more of what came in during the course of today's program. why would external forces tried to influence elections in favor of trump? when they have you doing that every week says regime i asked i asked the question of richard clarke and ambassador volker as well. i don't think there's a coincidence in the fact that putin, all of a sudden is off the coast of florida. and in cuba, although admiral staff redis tells me that happens with regularity some of the other world events that we described, i'm sure it's their way of trying to put a thumb on the scale of the american election. unlike me, just calling balls and strikes more social media reaction. what do we have? >> to update carpals maximum for clinton's 92 election campaign. >> it's the immigration stupid says that really well, it's not only the immigration. i am a believer that there's something going on globally and that we tend to be myopic here in the states and focus only on our

own political dynamics. and i'm guilty of that as well. well, until i have a trip that takes me abroad. but the commonality that i see of the eu election and the american election in similar fashion to what was represented in brexit in june of 2016. and then trump getting elected that november. it's a combination of demographic change globally migratory change, or porous borders, and migration which is taking place amidst climate change and only going to get worse. lot of folks being driven out of where they've been living here for and the perception among many that they've been forgotten in a world of such change. they've been forgotten and they look to someone like marine le pen in france or to meloni in italy, or to trump in the united states as being their saving grace so the poll question today, which asks whether maga is going to outlast donald

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