regain his lunch break. try now for free visit the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. >> i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from london today on, the program why won't hamas agreed to preston biden's proposed ceasefire deal that would pause. maybe end the war in gaza will dig into the many motives of the palestinian militant group and its leadership also, should russia's frozen assets be used to aid ukraine? >> it's been a big controversial question and the west, and it came to a head this week at the g7 meetings. >> i'll talk to the fta is julian data, about it all bill

gates diggs nuclear power in fact, he thinks we need much more of it, and he's putting his money where his mouth is breaking ground this week on a new reactor in wyoming gets tells me why he is so bullish on this controversial power source. but first, here's my take an american in europe these days might find themselves in a strange situation, or at least that was my experience having recently spent a week, they're traveling from germany to norway, to spain in the united states, we talk about our economic problems in europe. the torque is all about how europe has been unable to keep up with the american powerhouse the facts of stark in 2008, the united states and the eurozone economies, or roughly the same size. today, the american economy is nearly twice the size of the eurozone and it's

not just one measure average european income is now 27% lower than in the us. and average waiting just 37% lower when the british left the european union, they fantasized about forging a close relationship with the united states, almost becoming the 51st state were that to happen, it is surely so going to britain's to realize that it would be the 51st poorest state in the union where the per capita gdp below that of mississippi, the american economy towers above europe's these days america's technology companies dominate the continent. american banks of far more profitable than european ones, american energy production in has created a boom in manufacturing, which is luring many european companies to the us as one german ceo said to me america is an easier place to do business has fewer regulations and now has much lower energy costs how do i

rationally invest in europe? two of europe's largest oil companies shall and tertel energies have mused about fleeing europe and floating their shares on the new york stock exchange european leaders understand the problem and have proposed a series of solutions to former italian prime minister's enrico letta and mario draghi have been tasked with producing reports with policy ideas to counter the slide let us is out and many people who have spoken to druggie have a sense of his proposals so as well, they center on the central issue, europe is two divided technology is a good prism through which to understand the challenge to create powerful digital companies these days, you need three factors. great engineering, talent, easy access to capital and a large market into which you can quickly deploy the new products scale america has all three as does china europe has some of

the world's most talented engineers. it has access to capital, but it does not have a single market despite often been described as such tech entrepreneurs struggle to navigate 27 different markets. with different regulations, authority standards, and requirements. this is why as the letter report notes europe is home to 33 trillion euros of savings. but every year, 300 billion euros of european money is diverted to overseas markets to find superior investments. most of them in the united states these economic challenges are mirrored in the geopolitical arena europe remains a conglomeration of countries that pretend to have a unified defense and foreign policy defense spending is now rising, but remains to low, having gone down to a new normal since the end of the cold war germany is the best example in the 1980s, west

germany had over 500,000 soldiers in its army on high alert to take on a soviet invasion through the folder gap today, a unified germany has fewer than 200,000 troops under arms and readiness levels are not nearly as high the british navy that once rule the waves is now smaller than it was in the 70s century and while efforts are underway to boost spending two of its warships were recently decommissioned because they simply wanted us sailors to man them european countries need to spend more, but they spend a considerable amount already alas, much of it is wasted because there is little coordination and no grand strategy that animates it. many western european countries still spend money on territorial defense. >> who is going to invade belgium when they should focus on the capacity to move troops and equipment to defend the eastern front tears of europe,

which is where the threat comes from. >> again, because european producers do not have continent-wide scale. much of europe's defense spending goes to american companies the solution to europe's worst can be summarized in one line. a deeper, more united, most strategic europe. >> but that solution is inevitably more power to the european union, which feeds the populist backlash that was so evident in last week's elections. >> a european politician explained to me the continents dilemma. we know what to do. he said, we just don't know how to win an election after we do it perhaps the best rejoinder would be the quote, another european genre, mane, one of the founders of the european union europe will be forged in crisis and will be the sum of the solutions adopted for those crises. >> go to cnn.com slash fareed

for linked to my washington post column this week. >> and let's get started after more than eight months of brutal war are new ceasefire seemed possible this week, a planned back by president biden was approved by the un security council on monday. >> prime minister netanyahu himself hasn't publicly supported the plan, but top american officials suggests it is hamas that is keeping the planet from moving forward. the militant group has proposed changes to the deal secretary of state blinken said some of the changes are workable, some are not meanwhile, reporting by the wall street journal earlier this week quoted hamas leader yahya sinwar is saying that palestinians suffering amounts to necessary sacrifices hamas has dismissed these reports, labeling them as fake. to deconstruct the motivations of hamas and much else i'm joined by the director of middle east

and north africa program at chatham house. sanam vakil, pleasures and i'm so put yourself in uis and worse shoes and i know you teach a course on real leadership. imagine you're him for a moment. >> when he looks at this landscape and this peace deal or. >> the ceasefire deal. what is he saying? >> well, i think it's very important to think of liters and their calculations. and too often we don't. yeah, he has sinwar is oftentimes seen to be miscalculating because he's not putting the lives of palestinians at the forefront. and pushing for this ceasefire. instead, what sinwar is doing, he has three objectives. his personal survival, the survival of hamas, as well as elevating the issue of palestine back on the international stage. he has succeeded in elevating the issue of palestine for now. what he has also 60 that is

keeping hamas somewhat intact, right? and he continues to survive but to guarantee those three goals to move forward, he also needs a permanent ceasefire, and that's what he's pushing for in terms of the changes with the biden administration's deal so when you say he's succeeded, you're right eye, people are talking about the palestinian state, though, of course, not in israel, which is the country they would have to grant it, but it has elevated the cause he's personally safe. >> how badly has hamas been destroyed from best you can tell? >> well certainly they have been degraded it did israel continues to press in terms of military capabilities their weekend and there are tens of thousands of hamas militants that have been killed. but hamas is operating underground and clearly sinwar is living underground and it's unlikely that he'll ever have public outward-facing leadership again. but hamas is an idea that is going to be very

difficult to eradicate. >> hamas continues to live on as, as a fighting force against israel. >> and i think that for now the fact that they are still there, still fighting and still live moving on as the idea means that israel's objectives are unachievable in a sense, if they survive, they have one, which is what you're saying. what about hezbollah? did sinwar miscalculate in expecting that has bulla what join in the battle frontally. they have provided some support by, by shelling the north, by lobbing missiles. >> but was there do you think sinwar expected more from his bulla to be honest, it's really early to say too early, actually to anticipate what the nature of the planning of october 7, was i think that of course we assume that has below would pile in and support hamas. >> but the nature and calculations of the axis of resistance that includes hezbollah, hamas the houthis,

et cetera. is evolving, hezbollah has, as you mentioned, provided that support that distraction. it's also invested in keeping hamas alive but all of these groups are also self-preservation. all they have a domestic mandate. they have a domestic constituency that they're trying to answer two, and it would be a mistake for hezbollah to gamble on its own survivability for hamas or for the broader access to there, as well as number one issue is make sure hezbollah is fine. same for the houthis what about this the, the peace deal that uses so what sinwar wants as a permanent end to the hostilities. so that he can stand up and say, we survived. we were still around how likely is that to happen? i don't think it's likely to happen in the immediate future he is more vested and keeping himself alive and keeping hamas alive. and he very much can read the israeli landscape quite well, knowing full well that the israeli prime minister netanyahu also doesn't have an

interest in immediately signing on to a permanent peace deal because that taking out who's objectives are the eradication of hamas. so both sides haven't yet hit that step male mate, that mutually hurting stalemate that is often described in conflict to get to that deal. so there's a mutual interests actually and continuing this war for now, and these timelines are not aligned with that of the biden administration that needs that pcl, right now? >> so you're saying this is going to go on. you have your prediction is this is going to continue and you, what hamas is going to keep trying to do is to show that it hasn't died by both sporadic violence popping up in the north and things like that can israel do anything? to really eradicate hamas i think it's gonna be a long long-term military exercise, but it has to move beyond the military engagement as hamas is not just a military power, but an idea of resistance. >> i think that the israeli landscape has to start

embracing alternative map mechanisms to deal with the issue of palestine that they have pushed aside for two decades. one state solution and putting people behind walls and gates has an worked for israel it hasn't given israel's security so perhaps it's time for israel and its leadership to engage with an idea of sovereignty is statehood self-determination? chen for palestinians and give them the dignity that palestinians deserve pleasure to have you on thank you. >> thank you next on gps, ever since russia invaded ukraine and the west sees hundreds of billions of dollars worth of russian central bank assets the question has been, should the west take those funds an answer and emerge this week? we'll hear about it when we come back fareed zakaria gps brought to you by fisher investments clearly different money management for sure

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i think it was wondering is look, why not just, we've confiscated the assets. why not just take them and spend them on bill rebuilding ukraine? >> yes. i know this looks pretty complicated. like a lot of financial instruments and derivatives that are out there in the financial system. but the reason why why they haven't just grabbed the assets is twofold. firstly, many europeans don't want to set a precedent that if a country leaves the assets inside europe and there's a big geopolitical row, those acid a seized because they fear that if that president is set than other countries won't ever use europe again as a place for distort financial assets it's but secondly, the problem with season the assets is that would be permanent it can't be reversed if say there's a change of government in moscow in the future, or if there's a peace deal, yes. or if there's a fee still and the key point is that although america is driving this desire to give the assets to ukraine most of the the assets, 200 hours of 260 billion euro acids are actually

sitting in europe and that makes it discussions very, very complicated. >> and so in europe, they, there, in effect, this is one of the businesses a places countries like belgium where they act as clearing houses for all this money and the fear is that the indians were to pull their money out there. all those other people, what is the american answer to that? >> well, absolutely. i mean, remember europe is fighting to maintain itself as a financial center in the world and not have all the business go to new york or singapore, or dubai in the future and so what they've essentially done is a very clever compromise where they've said we're not going to seize all the assets permanently. >> we're going to use the interest on the assets and back alone with that interest. so that means that there will be money going to ukraine not until the end of the year, but there will be money go to ukraine. but it also means that if the situation changes again in the future, then essentially those acids they're still sitting there frozen and they can be given back to russia in the future if there is indeed a peace deal or a change of

government. so they're trying to thread the needle. and if you like, have it both ways with optionality, but also the money flowing to ukraine. obviously, ukraine would prefer to have the $300 billion rather than just the $50 billion loan. >> obviously, that will be a lot cleaner. but this is attempt to, as so often in international politics and finance create a compromise that keeps almost everyone happy. and the key thing to ask about this whole deal is if somebody breaks rules like invade another country illegally. >> does that justify breaking more rules to punish them or not? and that's really the problem right now. >> do you in order to uphold the rules-based international system, do every now and then have to break some of those rules. i mean, when larry summers bob's elek said hey, look, we are setting a precedent, and the president is your assets are safe, except if you engage in naked aggression absolutely. >> and of course, a backdrop to all this is a concern them in

europe, that and of course, ukraine, that if donald trump wins the election in november in the us, then suddenly there'll be not only less aid for ukraine or if no aid for ukraine, but also, you'll have the president in place who doesn't believe in rules in general it seems and international order. >> so they're trying to lay down if you'd like a path for supporting ukraine that can't be easily reversed. but they hope will actually keep the economy going. the other thing to bear in mind is that the history of wars show that in many, many cases, when a country falls into war, it ends up having hyperinflation and a collapse in the economy because it runs out of money so the west is frankly trying to avoid ukraine tumbling into hyperinflation. and so many war struck countries have in the past, why has that not happened to russia? what are your thoughts on what how russia has survived the sanctions and why? >> well, up until now, russia has survived relatively well, although it's worth saying that ironically, inflation

ukraine right now around three or 4% in russia, inflation is around 20%. and in many ways, the russian economy is showing a lot of stress and strain. >> the reasons why it's advised so far is at firstly, the kremlin has reorientate to the economy towards industrial production. >> and in particular, war production. and that's given quite a boost. and it has enough control of the economy that really can read or write assets when it gets herself organised. the other reason course, is the oil price has not collapsed. and so russia still getting revenues from the oil price in spite of western sanctions. but the other big highly controversial reason is china china is providing all kinds of support to the russian economy at the moment in a way that many russians feel quite uneasy about because they don't like being depend on china many americans and the europeans are furious about. but as long as that flow and that's what happens, it's going to be tough for the allies to crush the russian economy as they had hoped. although what i would stress is if you look into the weeds of

the data coming out of russia right now insofar as they're accurate, it does indicate the russian economy is based in growing stress. and those stressors will almost certainly get worse and worse as a year. rolls on bottom line, you think that this deal worked out at the g7 is a good compromise or allows the europeans to feel that their businesses, their long-term business is protected allows ukraine to get some money absolutely. i think it's probably is the least bad deal. and right now, we are in the world of not so much good deals, but least bad deals. ukraine definitely need support. it ideally need support that it's really protected from a change of government in washington that might potentially occur later this year. but at the same time, i do understand why people are saying that simply season his assets, right now in a permanent way would be risky. and the other point to bear in mind is that all costs european leaders and america have to stay together united right now because if they are split apart by fighting about this kind of

deal or anything else it will be so much easier. for vladimir putin to triumph or to at least look as if it's time thing and so much worse for ukraine. >> julian, as always, so enlightening next on gps, bill gates, who's shoveling dirt in wyoming. i'll tell you why when we come back every weekday morning. >> here are the five things you need to know to start. you're de, gift the news, you need. >> how about this for an earnings ball headlines in five minutes or less since five things with kate bolduan streaming weekdays on cnn.com and mac, it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. >> a healthy weight to help dogs live longer, happier life, the farmers dog and makes weight management easy with fresh food free portion for your day needs. it's an idea whose time has come everyone sees meanwhile, at a vrbo when

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he broke ground on a new facility in wyoming that he says will do just that it is a nuclear power plant with a reactor that is about one-third the size of a traditional reactor. and it's cooled by liquid it's sodium instead of water. gates says that makes it safer and simpler to build out its the latest initiative from his company, terra power. the project phases, hurdles most prominently, the nuclear regulatory commission has indeed approved the plan for the reactor in the past nuclear projects have been plagued by delays and high costs. but proponents of these new reactors say that they are the key to a future with an abundance of clean energy i spoke to gaetz this week about the initiative and the future of nuclear power bill gates pleasure to have you on the show great to talk to you. when i talk to people about nuclear, they said the biggest problem with nuclear is not all the things people worry about

radioactive waste and it's just it's so expensive. the capital expenditures are so massive. >> have you come up with something genuinely? >> why is this? this kind of nuclear plant gonna be so much cheaper yeah, we've been willing to go back to the basics and do what people have always said should be done, which is to cool the plant with metal instead of water. and that means that this problem of high pressure and extra heat when you shut down is complete at least solved. >> and so the complexity that's meant that nuclear has gotten more complex and more expensive as it's gone from first to third generation. we change that utterly there's a russia angle here to write, which is the fuel that you need is mostly comes out of russia. >> is that a limitation? how do you think about that? >> yeah. so we've had to change the original plan, which would have gotten done in 2028, was dependent on fuel

fabrication and russia, that's of course unacceptable noun. so all the fuel for these plants we'll come either from the united states are friendly countries. >> what about the politics and psychology of this bill, which is, you know, whatever you may say about the facts, the reality is that it post fukushima in japan. there's huge concern in germany, they shut down their nuclear plants what do you say to people to give them assurance, particularly with regard to this nuclear power plant, terror power yeah, the inherent safety features in here are pretty amazing it, even though nuclear actually has a pretty good track record, despite but the problems. >> this is in a different regime. it doesn't require operators to do the right things. it just inherently the heat fully gets absorbed with no release. so there's a lot of

countries like france, the uk japan, south korea, who are very accepting of new contract. they know they need nuclear. japan's not as luck, he's the us in terms of land for solar wind and so to go green, it's got to be even higher percentage to clear in that case. and so working with those countries will show that we can get the cost down and then i think even countries like germany will look at this next generation and reconsider but you once said that if you get one wish if you had a magic wand and you had one wish, it would be to find a source of energy that was cheaper than coal and had zero emissions so i think you're nuclear plant is going to have close to zero emissions, but it ain't going be cheaper than coal, right? well, he called particularly looked at the health costs of the emissions coal is being out competed by natural gas and so

what we have to do is compete effectively evil now, to a gas. so once we get to like our tenth unit and we have our component costs down we shouldn't expect people buy electricity to pay higher prices in the risks should be these private investors and the us government and we believe we can meet that very aggressive cost target. and that's why we have the company and why we think it can not just in us but globally contribute to the climate challenge you've invested in this for a long time. >> if this happens in the next five years, will you actually make money on it or is this is this this is a write-off because you think this is important for the planet well, amazingly, when a company succeeds in innovating, then it can be profitable all these climate investments i've made

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commercial.com i'm dr. sanjay gupta in atlanta. >> and this is cnn ai has the potential to transform the world we live in, from warfare to banking, to health care. and according to my next guest education as well, sal khan is the founder and ceo of khan academy and education platform that was teaching students online long before covid force kids from classrooms in 2020. his new book, brave new words, looks at how ai will revolutionize education, enhancing the way teachers teach, and children learn. >> south, welcome, thanks for having me. >> so you have an amazing story here about the openai guys, sam altman and company coming to you before we knew about chatgpt and all that. why did they come to you it was summer of 2022 and i got this cryptic email from sam altman and greg brockman. >> greg's the president openai saying, hey, we have our next

model that we're training, but we'd love to meet and show it to you to see if it's useful for you and i was skeptical and they said, look, the reason i want to meet you is we want to lead with social positive use cases with organizations that folks trusted. they thought of khan academy and yeah, that first demo, they showed an ap biology question. they say sal was the answer, i'm like, i think that's osmosis. okay. c and said, see, i'm i going to maybe got lucky. i said ask it to explain the answer and it did ask it to explain what the wrong answers it did create more questions. and now people are used to this we all use chatgpt, but you can imagine the summer of 2020 hey, do i started a use this for real and then they gave access that weekend and i couldn't sleep that weekend. >> everyone at some level, things is going to transform everything but i mean, how do you think about what is going, what is the transformation going to look like if you were to characterize in a way that will help people make sense of it. i know it sounds hyperbolic, but it will transform it everything. and i

think it's very easy for people to imagine the negative transformations and they will happen. but i point out, i put it out in the book like all technology to amplifies human intent. and so it's all about, can we, can we amplify some positive intent? and that's where education, you should never put the technology in front of the use case at khan academy. we set up as a not-for-profit many years ago, as you know, it started with me tutoring family, and everything we've done since then has been to scale up that type of personalization that that was originally able to do with my cousin nadia. we used to do that with videos. we did that with exercises, with teacher tools. >> but now we can use ai to get that much closer to emulating it. >> but in very simple terms, it can get that much closer to a real tutor for every student and a teaching assistant, not a teacher. i think the teachers are going to be more important than ever. for an ai world. >> why do you need the teacher if the ai is able to answer the question to tell you why it's the right answer. if interact with the student who says, but i don't understand this part. and the ai can do that better

than the human teacher because the ai has all the knowledge in the world, et cetera. are you just being politically correct by saying, oh yeah, well, i'll always be room for the teacher. >> i don't think i have. i mean, i genuinely and i thought about this from my own family, if i had to pick between amazing teacher and no technology or amazing technology and no teacher. i'd pick the amazing teacher and no technology. then the question is, why? and even when khan academy pre ai khan academy first came on i've seen people used to say, oh, you've made some videos want this replaced the lecture, and i was like, it actually will replay if someone is all they're doing is giving a lecture, then yeah, i do think on-demand video we'll replace that but in an ideal world, it liberates that person who used to have to use that class time for lecture. now do more interactive things. mentor students, do more focused interactions and now with artificial intelligence that extends that, i tell every teacher if you could get teaching assistants that can do all of this work. now you can spend more human to human time with students. >> how do you deal with the problem that everybody i know in education is worried about, which is will students actually

do the work if i can do the work for them? how do you devise tests and a world in which the students can just have the ai do the right, the paper, do the answers, whatever. >> so the book, there's a whole chapter on cheating and how is like to start first principles like what was going on even before chatgpt. it turns out there was a lot of cheese hitting and to some degree, chatgpt just put a spotlight on a problem that already existed but i also think the underlying technology maybe not chatgpt can be part of the solution. what we're building with kohn amigo is the student can work with the ai, but ai reports everything to the teacher. so it's not going to do it for the student. it can support the student better. but then when to submit let's it to the teacher. the teacher doesn't just get the final output, which is when we were growing up. that's all the teacher got. but now the teacher can get the entire process. >> you use sound altogether it kind of too optimistic about this. >> what are you, are you really not as worried about the downsides? >> oh, i'm very worried part

of why i tried to focus on the glass half full is including it's very easy to imagine the negatives. i am very worried there's already examples of people a phone call from someone that sounds like your grandson saying that they're in jail. this is only going to happen more and more. >> you're already seeing buhle fleeing in schools where people are creating deepfakes of their classmates doing horrible things. this is, there was a recent school system where someone fabricated or racist comment by a school leader and that person almost lost their job. so this is this is going to accelerate, so we need ways and state actors are going to use it to minute. you can imagine creating people, people, creating videos those of runs on banks that create financial situations so there's a lot to worry about, but i hope that by reading this book, people realized, once again, it's not a flip of a coin, whether ai is a net positive or net negative, the bad actors are going to do the bad stuff. hopefully we can police them and protect from them but the good actors need to lean into this. and if more positive human intent, positive

human resources go behind it. there's a lot of good that can happen. >> south khan, always a pleasure to talk to you. thanks for having me next on gps. british prime minister rishi sunak has a controversial plan to send asylum seekers all the way to rwanda, some 4,000 miles away from britain is that smart is it ethical? i would scroll when we come back this is a secret war. >> secrets and spies tonight at ten on cnn thinker appointment and 30 minutes you got this one. >> remember? i don't want surgery for my patreons contraction to i don't want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with middle more downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. good boy and five. and if non-surgical treatment is an offer i've get a second opinion. >> let's go take charge of your treatment. if you can't lay your hand flat, visit, find a hand specialist.com to get

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rwanda, not britain. >> the britain would provide funds to help people build a new life there. rwanda itself would benefit financially and reputationally but the flights may never happen because the labour party is totally opposed to the plan and is polling well ahead of the conservatives sunak says the choice of this election is clear because only his plan will deter people from coming. we want genuinely in search of a asylum the idea is that many, many people who show up seeking asylum are really economic migrants trying to cut the long line for normal immigration actual refugees under international law of people fleeing persecution due to their identity or opinions. they are entitled to live in a place where they will not be threatened on account of their race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion rwanda, for country, wouldn't be high on the list for people fleeing poverty but

most people persecuted in their home country would not face the same threats. and we wonder, there's no reason to think that an ethnic group targeted by the taliban or religious minority targeted in india would be at risk in rwanda it's, worth noting, that rwanda has come a long way since the genocide. >> it is one of the fastest-growing economies in the world. >> and boasts a murder rate, lower than that of the united states. its, leader does have autocratic tendencies stamping out decentered, targeting political opponents. but it is a stable country and most types of asylum seekers should be safe. there. still critic sarah, one is unsafe and the briton is becoming a rogue state for sending these vulnerable people there britain's supreme court struck down an earlier version of the plan, saying rwanda lacked adequate safeguards required by international asylum law sunak retool the plan and signed the treaty with rwanda to ensure more protections. >> but legal challenges remain

the labour party is objections are mostly about the costs keir starmer calls the policy a gimmick that wouldn't work but would cost a fortune indeed, britain would spend about $600 million for the first 300 migrants. >> they'll go to wonder about $2 million per person but a lot of that reflects high up-front costs and future relocations would be much cheaper. also, the uk currently spends almost 4 billion a year on hotels for tens of thousands of asylum seekers. so if the policy dissuaded large numbers of migrants from coming some of the costs would be offset labors plan on the other hand, is to invest in law enforcement efforts against human traffickers it also wants to hire more agents to speed processing of asylum claims and quickly deport people who are denied whether they're wonder plan ever happens. the idea has caught the world's attention. outside advisers to trump are

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