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cheesesteak with swiss cheese instead of the traditional cheese whiz which locals say is just a small step below criminal. now cynthia nixon's bagel order that dominated headlines while she was running to be governor of new york. it turns out the cream cheese locks red onion, tomato, and capers on a cinnamon reason bagel did not sit well with the locals senator mark, warner once shared his famous tuna melt recipe, which microwave white bread with loads of mayo canned tuna, and cheese. it became world famous for all the wrong reasons. an earlier this year, president biden was criticized for answering questions about the israel-hamas war how eating an ice cream cone and who can forget donald trump's tribute to cinco de maya with the taco bowl and the caption. i love hispanics that was just a few years after new yorkers called
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out his pizza etiquette. and john stuart was particularly offended by this and you stop your slices no disrespect. >> i apologize. let's let's continue with the meeting. is and thank you for watching these night. laura coates live starts right now. >> good evening. i'm jim acosta and for laura coates on this monday night, ten days out from the highly anticipated debate between joe biden and donald trump right here on cnn and tonight, a moment from this past weekend is leading to questions about a candidates mental fitness for office i took a cognitive test nih docx,
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ronnie dr. ronny johnson does everyone know ronnie johnson, congressmen from texas it's actually dr. ronny jackson, not johnson, donald trump there for getting the name of his own doctor while challenging biden to a cognitive test. if you've been watching right-wing media, that's probably not the moment you were expecting us to play. no. instead it is this clip that they've been circulating to question biden's mental? fitness? it's biden at the end of his los angeles fundraiser from over the weekend, you can see him standing before cheering crowd and then barack obama grabs biden by the hand and walks with him offstage. the new york post, among others, claiming biden froze. there is no evidence of that, but fox and others have been replaying this on a loop, claiming otherwise for his part, mark cuban weighed in saying, both candidates are old, very old? there both are going to have senior moments, misremember, forget things, and have physical frailties. he adds, one is great at sound
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bites, but also thinks in soundbites. the other is awful lot sound bites, but things in complete sentences, voters will decide which we prefer. now this all comes just days after trump's allies pushed a misleading video of biden at the g7 summit falsely claiming he was meandering into a field when in fact he was thanking a skydiver who had been cropped out of the video, the white house tonight fed up and pushing back i think you all have called this the cheap fakes video, and that's exactly what they are. they are cheap fakes video. they are done in batch. >> let's not forget, president obama president biden have a relationship. >> they are friends, they're like family to each other. and i think that's what you saw as trump's allies. question biden's fitness for office team. biden meanwhile is questioning trump's the biden campaign out today where they $50,000,000 by on a new ad hitting trump as a convicted felon in the courtroom. >> we see donald trump for who he is. he's been convicted of
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34 felonies, found liable for sexual assault, and he committed financial fraud for this election is between a convicted criminal who's only out for himself and a president who's fighting for your family democrats have been warning that trump would make an all-out assault on the justice system if elected, one of trump's top allies steve bannon's stoking those fears this weekend. >> watch you are going to be investigated, prosecuted, and incarcerated. >> we're going to use the constitution two and the rule of law to go after you and hold you accountable. november 5 is judgment day january 20. 2025 is accountability day. ladies and gentlemen. it's very simple victory or death victory or death, whatever happened to victory or defeat if for some
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reason you were to doubt whether trump keeps in touch with steve bannon. >> here's the former president calling bannon during the middle of bannon's show just today the carry hanger, four-sided get i got a call from somebody got to take just to hang on okay. hey, mr. president, i'm live on tv back i'll call you back sir. thank you carrie continue on. your favorite person and joining us now, is. >> do york. democratic congressman dan goldman congressman. thanks so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> when you listen to steve bannon say things like november 5 is judgment day, january 20 2025, as accountability day. >> i mean, you can write this office that there go. steve bannon again, but after january 6, you can't really do that? what's your what's your reaction when you hear that no. >> remember steve bannon was the one on his podcast the day before january 6, who really rallied the troops, so to
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speak, to raid the capital. >> and now he's using the same rhetoric so it's the same as donald trump. it's one thing if you do it the first time and you don't necessarily realize what the reaction will be it's entirely different when you know what the reaction is, two, your violent rhetoric and you still continue to do it so let's not make any mistake here. steve bannon, those exactly what he's doing. he is riling up a violent base. that is the same base that invaded the capitol and he is saying victory or death, which means either we win or we kill our opponent that is the definition of fascism. and it is incredibly scary, jim to think that this is what we are facing in this next election i don't want to talk about policy. we
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can talk about policy all day long, but it's irrelevant what we have is steve bannon and donald trump trying to destroy the country that we know and i mean, we do know that the biden campaign is trying to sharpen its arrows a little bit. the biden campaign released this new ad today directly going after trump for his 34 felony convictions in new york, polling suggests public sentiment has not exactly turned against trump in any significant way. there's some new polling that shows maybe with independence they might be having some effect. do these ads make a difference? do you think at the end of the day that this felony conviction will make a difference i do jam i think when you add the felony conviction to the fact that he was held liable for rape? >> and for financial fraud and a civil context, what you realize is that donald trump, donald trump has the most unfit person to become our president. and if he cannot own a gun, why would anyone ever give him sole
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authority over the nuclear codes? >> he is not the person that should lead this country. >> he will lead us into a completely different country than we know and i'm happy to work across the aisle. i work across the aisle with many of my republican colleagues on many different policy issues but i cannot emphasize enough that what you're seeing from this revenge tour that he's on is not even donald trump in 2016, you are seeing someone who wants to get revenge for his own personal failings and his own personal misconduct and he is using our government. he is using the possibility of becoming president to get back at his enemies because all he cares about, and i've done this since 2019 when i led the first impeachment investigation. all he cares about his himself and you have joe biden on the other hand,
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who has been a lifelong public servant, who cares deeply about american families, about the average american about making life better for americans. that is a stark contrast and it's one that we will be talking about from now until november 5, well, congressman, you know, you have a fight on your hands. the president's campaign is running that ad going after donald trump. you're seeing this criticism now on the far right and far-right media saying the president froze over the weekend at this fundraiser in la, when you see these videos, do they do they give you any concern? >> and if you're saying okay, i have no concern there. >> what about the potential for mischief that these videos can be manipulated, that they can be deceptively annotated, and that you can pull the wool over folks eyes off from here until election day well, we don't have to look very far. >> yeah that video that you're showing right now does not show someone freezing, does not show
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any help needed. >> it just simply shows two former colleagues, two friends walking off of the stage. but you can deceptively edit it to make it look like joe biden was unable to get off the stage just as it was deceptively edited in norman de, when he was looking for a chair and that they purported that there was no chair there. >> there wasn't share their he was just looking for his chair. so the deceptive videos to make joe biden look bad will continue. but at the end of the day, jim, you have somebody who has led this country with such dignity, with sudden strength, has rallied our allies, has dealt with a terrible hand that donald trump gave him and has done it really, really admirably. >> not to mention the historic legislation that he passed in the last congress that has
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completely revamping and revitalizing our infrastructure that is building renewable energy, that is building manufacturing in this country, that is lowering prescription drugs for all americans, lowering student debt joe biden is the greatest president for the middle-class that we have ever seen. >> and that will continue after november 5th. >> all right. congressman dan goldman, thanks very much for your time today. i really appreciate it. >> thank you all right. >> let's continue this discussion with communications director for president donald trump's 2016 transition team, bryan lanza, and also with a cnn political commentator, national coalitions director for the biden harris 2020 campaign ashley allison ashley, let me start with you first. i mean, you're going to see these attacks on biden's age. i mean, this has been happening up until this point is going to keep happening. but they've been pretty relentless on a right-wing media tonight. let's take a look at this this
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thing looks bad and now they're talking about swapping hillary in. >> obviously president biden, he's not capable of making any momentous decisions. we all know that none of us really know who's in charge. >> the democrat avengers, barak obama, bill clinton, nancy pelosi, and chuck schumer have deliberately thrown down the gauntlet for an early debate to stress test sleepy and here are avengers right here brian, and ashley. >> ashley, what do you think i think it's disingenuous. >> i think it's dishonest. >> yes. >> the president states as old, he's 81-years-old. there's no dispute. is disputing that fact but when you take footage and you manipulate it to feed a narrative that is not honest in the underlying fact of he wasn't confused. he wasn't talking and meandering out into a field. it's dishonest and it's misleading voters. do i think it is having an impact? perhaps because the way social media works is that there is no
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fact checker. and so a consumer of voter can get this information and not maybe ever receive information that disputes it. so what the campaign has to do is continue to push back let the american people feel the confidence of the president's ability to show up and represent them and draw that contrast about who were telling the lies and misleading them and trauma brian, as we saw with trump over the weekend. >> i mean, he's prone to gas as well. he forgot the name of dr. ronny jackson there been some other moments as well. let's watch. let's take a look at this i took a cognitive test nih dot ronnie, dr. ronnie johnson. >> does everyone no. ronnie johnson, congress from text? >> viktor orban. did anyone ever hear of him is probably like one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world and he is the leader of all
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right, he's the leader of turkey saudi arabia, and russia will repeat will be reducing yeah, i mean, brian, we could do this all night. >> we'd go back and forth. i got my clips. you've got your eclipse and just do that all night. >> get us anywhere. >> i would say this, i think here's the challenge. it's not joe biden's age. it really is his cognitive decline and it's not misspeaking because everybody ms speaks on television. >> i do. you have have you have you people get nervous and even complete decades. i'll give those things that joe biden is the fact that he can't find a door becomes a problem. like he goes to the podium and it has to be told where to go. go, he's gone to the wrong doors. i'm sorry. maybe obama and biden who do have this friendship. but to the average person looking at this scene this weekend's image of obama having the guide them out. it reinforces what we're already see. it's not the he misspeaking is that he appears lost on the national stage and lost on the international stage. and that's the challenge here. these people in the international stage, i've known joe biden for 40 years. you don't think they've seen the cognitive decline were
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being this honest by saying it doesn't exist, it's donald trump train guy. he wasn't 20, so sure. but he's not going through the wrong door. >> so he doesn't need help to get off the stage. that event that you sought took place it hold on. let me say that event that took place thanks this weekend, somebody was telling him minutes before he went on stage exactly what to do. and exactly what to do to get off. it didn't happen. >> that's a cognitive issue. >> now, let me tell you, as someone who worked for both of them, i read that event exactly what happened president, i know by obama is someone who follows the scheduled to the t when they say go off at 3:01, he's off at 301. joe biden when they say go off at 3:01, no matter what he is, he always runs late. he would have stayed out there until every single person left that biden and obama, that's the role they've always played him by. obama was like comando. it's time now go yeah, it wasn't a bad guys. it's not one video. it's not one clip, it's not this weekend. it's three-and-a-half years of his entire administration where he looks lost on stage page where somebody has to show him where to go, where the door is. i'm sorry, guys it back you have to
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admit. >> i mean, some of these videos have been deceptively edited but how we box this past week on a second i'm holding it out. >> i remember during trump's term when you when when cnn showed president trump dumping a bunch of fish food to the coi pons with the prime minister of japan said that was disrespectful, that was out of protocol. that was selective edit and near the trump people complained and the biden people are going to complain to nobody is nobody is free of that game is to cnn plays at foxx, plays at msnbc, plays it, but you can say, ryan, ryan brian cnn, or fox or no, excuse me. >> you guys go back to where we surely in this data, come on, hours dedicated to acknowledge that donald trump made a misspoke, misspeak about the ronny jackson i can i can't tell you why why foxes and acknowledged these things, but i just said minutes ago that both politicians to make speak that's a normal. >> i don't when we're covering both. they don't. but anyway, let's let's talk about this poll out of iowa showing former president trump with a
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commanding lead over joe biden speaking of things that, you know for where the reverse they wouldn't show it in the other network, but harry answered, are senior data reporter has this breakdown. let's look all right, jim, so there was an important poll that came out from the state of iowa. >> and i'm gonna give you a little glimpse into those numbers right here. all right. so the iowa presidential margin and cells are comes out with her latest poll from the hawkeye state and look at this. donald trump is ahead by 18 points. you go back to november of 2020. trump won the state by just aid. in fact, this would be the largest republican presidential win in the state. and a generation or two all way back, you have to go oi back since 1,950 the six. now the question is, why is this such an important result from iowa? and this may give you a reason why. all right. the final and cells are paul error and presidential races. >> she's just really, really good at her job right in 2012, she was off by just a 0.20, 16 off by two points, 2020, she
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was off by just a point keep in. >> mind that the average state pollster during this time span was off by get this five, count them five percentage points. so the fact of the matter is an selzer is significantly better than average of course, you may be asking yourself, why do we care about a result? and i will given that donald trump wanted easily plea in both 2016 and 2020, here's the reason why you know what i was next to its next to the state of wisconsin. and you may know something about the state of wisconsin. it's a very pivotal state that for joe biden to win come november, he obviously want it last time, but donald trump won it back in 2016. and here we go. iowa and wisconsin presidential results since 18, 56 get this only twice, only twice out of 42 times, was there a difference of greater than 18 points between those states? so if joe biden is losing an iowa by 18 points, the chance that he is able to carry wisconsin very, very
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small so that's the read right now from iowa we'll see what happens down away back to you, jim. >> all right. here. >> ashley, i mean, we know iowa. i mean, it's not the same place that it was in 2008. what obama did really well there is this a big sign of concern for the democrats for the biden campaign? what do you think? >> look, i think every state that's quite honestly 50 state strategy is what i've been telling people. but in the battleground states we know it's going to be extremely close i also know that to your point, iowa is very different in terms of the politics that it is in wisconsin and the campaigning that takes, takes place in iowa's different in wisconsin i don't think the democrats be concerned. i think they should pay attention. i've been saying they should pay attention and they should not let up the gas. but i also think it doesn't help when donald trump also says things like milwaukee, which happens to be in wisconsin, not in iowa, is a horrible place. so how's that going to land on? and those voters, i don't think this kind of pull takes things like that into consideration. >> what do you think brian?
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>> i mean, listen, you iowa in 2016, i remember the clean campaign thought they had a chance of winning that. so it wasn't that long ago that this was a swing state and it just goes to show that the evaporation of the democratic party in the midwest. my guess is wisconsin is was probably the last stand they have and will see the impact. i think thank you know, president trump making statements like over the weekend aren't helpful, but at the end of the day, i think the thing that's going to matter most to the people is going to be the economy. it's going to be inflation, it's not going to be the unemployment rate and it's not going let me the stock market, it's going to be the rate of inflation that it relieves pain. and for 36 months that president biden has been there. he's promised to hit the target of 2% inflation rate and he's miss that target but 36 months. so that's 0436 in actually helping the american public deal with the most important issue to them, that to me is failure and that's what people wisconsin are going to care about. >> and you going back to milwaukee i mean, talking about things that are said and when you misspeak and so on, if you had that moment back, you'd want that moment. but hundred percent. yeah, i have percent. yeah. >> and trump does that. yeah.
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he's going to have moments like that between now and that there's going be more moments like that. >> and i think that's sort of baked into support. i mean, you're going to have of the the media, this outlet, other house for create the outrage of specific things, but i do think this election is going to boil down to you. hey, what have you done for inflation? joe, and i'm sorry, the record of zero for 36 and hagen hitting that target but good is a fail rate that's just unacceptable. >> i think it's going to be bigger than that issue. i think that people will held at joe biden is fighting for them in an economy to work for the middle-class, wisconsin is a big union state that we know that the republican party, particularly donald trump, is anti the work we know that reproductive rights is going to be an important issue. we know voting rights is going to be an important issue. we know criminal justice reform is going to be an important issue. sure immigration is going to be before an issue, but there's a contrast. and most importantly, i think what's constant nights care about our democracy and they know the threat that donald trump poses to our democracy before we go, i did want to ask you brian, because i know you're for an honest broker about this, in particular, this subject, when
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steve bannon is out there saying victory or death, you don't want that anywhere near the trump campaign, primarily because, because you guys are talking about it like steve bannon's a private citizen, has a radio show, his inke impact on the campaign has minimal, but when he says stuff like this msnbc, you guys, you guys all jump on it that becomes part of the story. >> you're not talking about. is that going to matter in this election? because and i think inflation matters about the election and people think inflation made his echoing trump, wait we just watch a clip where answered the phone because donald trump we call and he's not an important component of the property. i mean, i didn't see the phone ring. i didn't see him say president, you're not so sure that was i'm not so sure that that trump called band in the middle of his show it's a good prop though. yeah, it's a good prop. maybe it wishes to prop brian ashley, guys, thank you very much. appreciate it. i just had russian president vladimir putin heading north korea for the first time and two decades. what does it mean for putin's war in ukraine all right, and ten colonel alexander vimeo right there. he's going to discuss in just a few moments, de was for that.
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>> russia's vladimir putin will travel to north korea to meet with dictator kim jong wound tomorrow. satellite images showed north, were preparing to host putin, clearing out the central square and pyongyang where a large parade is expected to take place please, the two met last year in russia when kim toward facilities that produce fighter jets and rocket launchers joining us now is retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vin meant he served for as former director for european affairs at the national security council during the trump administration, colonel wimmen, always great to see you so tell us about this meeting or i mean, what do you think? should we expect thanks, jim. >> always get to beyond with you this is what i find interesting about this is the stark contrast to the recent flurry of activity in support of ukraine there was a very, very large-scale summit a peace summit, in which ukraine was able to marshal the democratic world at signatories to a, to a
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a peace plan proposal or at least a course for towards peace. before that, a g7 with a large number of bilateral security agreements and $50 billion pledge towards ukraine alone package that ukraine is going to be able to tap into for its defense all sorts of resources pouring in to support ukraine's war effort and on the battlefield, ukraine is holding its own. it's actually starting to make tactical account are attacks and take back territory and really punish the russian forces. stymied, rushes offensive what is putin do? he reciprocates a visit that kim jong-un paid to russia last year and he's their hand out asking for additional resources, additional artillery shells. you'll get some some 30, 40% of that. our artillery is ineffective is pretty much
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useless. and he's gonna go with his handout around to the authoritarian world to iran with its drones that it's providing a, but that's not going to amount to much and the stark contrast is what's amazing this is a guy that's positioned himself as a world leader. he can't travel anywhere. he's a hermit because he's been there's a warrant for his arrest and he's going to the hermit kingdom yeah. >> i mean, that's one of the questions i have is whether this speaks to some kind of desperation on his part. kernel wimmen you and i have been talking about this for some time now. there was a lot of concern that the ukrainians, because they were waiting for so long for support, military aid from places like the united states places like europe, that was going to give a russia the upper hand. but now we see putin going almost hand-in-hand to the north koreans but that's exactly right. it's amazing how quickly things have turned.
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>> we passed a ukraine aid bill that democrats have been charged to force that the biden officials have been trying to move on for months since september of 2023, being held up by speaker johnson and trump and some eight weeks ago, this ukraine aid bill passed and it immediately age started flooding back into ukraine and right away you see those effects on the battlefield ukraine is holding its own. it's actually has in certain areas a artillery superiority. the russians are no longer able to launch a massive barrage has follow those with these are human waiver attacks and gain any ground. the ukrainians are fighting quite effectively i'm, i'm now slightly more optimistic, but just does show a defensible nature of this nation. and if we have a trump administration come back starting next year. if trump wins in november, you'll see the likes of donald trump, a visit with kim jong-un and
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putin instead of what biden's have been doing, rallying the g7, rallying the democratic world to advance the interests democracy. >> well, and i did want to ask you about that, about how the presidential election could really change things. let's listen to what trump was saying over the weekend about ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy i think it's zelenskyy is maybe the greatest salesman of any politician that's ever lived. >> every time he comes to our country he walked away. it was $60 he just left for days ago was 60 billion and he gets home and he announces that he needs another $60 billion. it never ends. it never ends yeah, we can talk about those numbers that trump was throwing out the kernel amendment. let's talk about one thing though that more americans, 31% of americans think the us is providing too much assistance to ukraine. >> that's up from 7% at the
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start of the war. does the biden administration maybe after the election of the president is reelected as he need to go back and do another sales job with the american people to talk about this i think so. i mean, i think the ukrainian war is central to us national security. >> it'll either push russia back on its heels, really defanged russia as one of our two most inveterate, most aggressive adversaries. russia and china. >> or it'll embolden russia and own bolden china. >> so i think the president does have some work to do. i was out on the campaign trail for my twin brother today actually, northern virginia and v7 meeting folks visited a working class community. the bulk of the folks i spoke to were minorities immigrants and we had that in common with because my twin brother and i both came here as refugees and i don't think that this is a message that's hard to sell to the american public that we
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should be helping our allies around the world. we should be advancing the cause of democracy. and we shouldn't be doing what trump is doing. first of all, abrogating things like zelenskyy was here four days ago. that's not true. and the 60 billion nonsense that's also not true ukraine's received 80 billion at the best majority of that has gone to us defense sector back into american jobs, american industry. so you don't have normal american president our allies, and celebrate our adversaries and we don't need that back in the white house. that's why a joe biden and my twin brother need to go out and win all right, kernel of immigrate to talk to you as always. thanks a lot thank you are coming up. it's a story only new jersey could deliver a big player in the state's democratic politics, charged with running an alleged criminal enterprise and who's there in the front row? bro all the indictment is being announced define defendant
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we're on the california coast and this is cnn politics is kind of known for being a blood sport in new jersey. >> and today we got a front row seat. the state attorney general announcing a 13 count indictment against a democratic political operative while the defendants sat in the front row of the press conference, george nor cross is a longtime kingmaker, democratic politics. you jerseys attorney general says, nor cross also ran a criminal enterprise for at least a dozen years to control lucrative property, collect millions and government tax credits and threatened and extort officials. norc rasa allegedly told me one developer who refused to relinquish property rights that he would
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quote fu up like you've never been eft up before nor cross denies the charges as he's ready to prove his innocence. now i want to go to trial in two weeks. i want not plaque in to come down here and try this case himself. because he's a coward and join me now is the new jersey editor for politico, justin ross eop, dustin. it was quite a scene there today. take us through the biggest allegations in the indictment. is this making waves in new jersey? >> yeah. as we put it in our star, our story today this was like an atomic bomb that went off for new jersey politics. this is something that lots. of people had reported might happen at some point because it's already he's had investigated nor across for many years, but nobody really quite expected this to actually happen. and it finally did. it really just shock to everybody.
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and to answer your question, i don't know if there's one particular thing that really stands out. but i think the totality of it, as you pointed out a dozen years, his alleged to have run what the attorney general called a criminal enterprise and when you just put it all together, all the different allegations, it's a pretty pretty stunning set of circumstances. there. >> yeah. just and why was nor cross in the front row staring down the attorney general today and what does that say about how he operates? >> well he operates on fear that's sort of his calling card and it was shocking and surreal to see him do that, but not at all surprising. that's just the kind of personality he has. he's very very combative he doesn't back down from fights. he picks a lot of fights and he has a lot of hubris. >> he has a lot of pride. so i stepping into his head a little bit, but i imagine he's
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thinking, okay, well, you're going to indict me what you're gonna do it face-to-face with me nor cross was often called the most powerful, unelected democrat in new jersey. how deep are his connections and new jersey and beyond? >> going back at least three decades, he's built up at this really formidable democratic machine down in south jersey and he effectively controls almost everything that happens down there. and for many years, especially under republican governor chris christie, he had a strong alliance and was probably at his peak of power because he had not only his friendship with kristie, which was beneficial to both of them, but he also had his longtime friend as the senate president, the most powerful legislative later there is in trenton. so between those three people they got a lot done in training and
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that's where a lot of these charges stemmed from is tax break legislation that got passed and the money that flowed down to south jersey but he's got three three-decade run, at least of having enormous influence in the state capital yeah. >> what what is going on in new jersey these days, the senior center or democrat bob menendez also facing corruption charges along with his wife hizon, the nickname gold bars bob for the gold bars and bags of money. prosecutors say they found in his home what's going on in new jersey right now i wish i had a clean answer for you, but that's what everybody's wondering because it's just head-spinning the pace of change and all the action that is happening. >> when you have the senior senator on trial for the second time on federal bribery charges. you have what happened today. and much less notice is that there's just been a whole reordering of the political
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machinations in new jersey. it's got a very longstanding and very unique way of doing politics and running into elections. and that's all changing kind of like in the blink of an eye, just within the last six months, things i've really heated up and it feels like the ground is shifting underneath all of us and we're in the midst of really serious political change. >> yeah for some reason, doesn't i want to end this segment by saying forget about it. but anyway are destined. thanks for joining us, keeping us posted on what's happening in new jersey. come on back. anytime. thanks for your time today. i appreciate all right. just ahead could social media apps soon come with a warning label like cigarettes, america's top doctor says they should kara swisher is here to weigh in next then in your man
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we decided to put in an end ground pool a literally went on angie and typed in cool, getting to talk to different contractors see different bids. we wanted something beautiful, we wanted something that our children will feel happy swimming in, and we love it. >> get started today at andy.com violent earth with me up fiber sunday at nine on cnn is our moral responsibility as a society to take care of our kids. and in that mission, when it comes to social media we are not doing well. we are failing in social media as bad as smoking. >> that's the parallel surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy is trying to make his warning that social media apps pose such a risk to children's mental health that they should have a warning label just like the ones you see on a pack of cigarettes. it's something congress would have to approve. but he's pointing to data to backup has claimed including one study that showed teens who spend three hours a day on social media double their risk for depression. definitely a worrying statistic, especially
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considering teens spend on average nearly five hours a day on social media joining me now to talk about this is cnn contributor kara swisher. she the author of bern book and host of the on with kara swisher podcast, qarrah, great to see you. you're the perfect person to talk to you about this. what did you make of this surgeon general warning business you buy this. is this going to work? >> i don't think it's going to happen for one thing, but i do think it's, you know, it's a little bit of a stunt on his part and it's something he's has been talking about depression and loneliness and things like that, and the mental, the deleterious health effects on it. and so it's good to focus on it. i feel like it's a stunt, but a goodstein to bring people to, to be talking about the issue and maybe he looking at it more carefully i don't think it's going to pass though. >> and do the social media giants even pay attention to this? do they take stock and we're saying oh yeah, no, it's not good to be called a cigarette company, you know, when i interviewed marc benioff, a couple of years ago and he called it a cigarette called facebook, in particular, a cigarette company. and i
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don't think they like that very much you know, they'll, they'll push back by saying, well, he also pointed to some of the benefits of social media and online activity. and there's no good thing about cigarette smoking for kids, right? so it's a mixed bag and some of these studies are problematic. some of them are actually accurate, some of them aren't so the question is, is the best thing to do to put a warning label? on or is there a better thing to do like age gating, social media, perhaps, or getting rid of cell, cell phone mobile phones in schools. >> that's been proven to be actually very helpful to schools. lots of stories about that more studies, more government studies, more payment for real studies that are independent might be a good idea to do first i'm not, i'm not think it's a bad thing to slap warnings on certain behavior, but it's a little like if we when we were younger, would you slap a warning on television watching yeah. >> maybe it's when we were kids. >> television was thought to
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rot your brain, if you recall? >> yeah. >> i'm glad they didn't have a warning on pac-man and gala yeah. >> yeah. my mom or give me a roll of quarters at the arcade. >> have a good time. yeah. that was the end of vague. i'd be gone for like hours. yeah right. >> but parental responsibility, i guess as part of this too. >> i mean, i have found it to be effective with my hey, kids to go into their phones and set limits. i mean, if you can get into that. yeah. >> you know, there are ways to do control. yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. i think the issue that the problem with rental responsibility and it's so pervasive and also parents themselves are addicted to these phones. and so it's not just a youth thing, it's everybody uses these phones and it's sort of a do as i say, not as i do problem. right. and one of the issues is that the whole families, you walk anywhere people are all staring at phones. i was in a restaurant, the whole family was staring at a family. >> what do you do about that? yeah. and, you know and i kept saying, why don't you look up like i'm one of those people who does that.
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>> but it's really i think it's a difficult question. >> some of that, but some of the solutions we should start trying phones in schools should be barred. that should be something that happens to kids can fully focus because they're they're anti focus machines and that is clear for many when he uses them, age gating another thing i like that he's causing this to be discussed. i think that's a great thing and that's exactly what the with the surgeon general's should be doing. >> yeah. i mean, if there's one comparison to make between cell phones and cigarettes, is that if you go back 60, 70 years, look at old photographs as people smoking, as are walking up and down fifth avenue nowadays, i feel like the pictures that people be looking at 50 years from now, be all of us staring at our phones and they're going to say what the heck is wrong with these guys. >> yeah. yeah, that's exactly. >> but i mean they are addictive and there is no way really to fix that. is there well, yeah, sure. the way they're designed, their design like casino machines right there in quarters, speaking of quarters, these things, there's lots of studies about
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this and how they like to pull you in. and of course, it's endless information and less entertainment of people aren't used to being bored anymore for a long time now, that's not a new fresh thing, but these phones take it up a notch. you have to always be looking at something and watching seven years, always a piece of news and so it creates that kind of attention deficit disorder that's a real issue where everyone's paying partial attention, continuous partial attention and things. and so again, i think something like there are some very big issues about young man and being isolated, young women feeling self-esteem issues on these platforms. and so the question is, how do we handle that was the best way to do it. and there is some regulatory relief here. it just a question of what should be the last thing is it runs into the first amendment, right? >> we should be able to do and say and low watch what we want. >> so that's another issue. so what will china, they just in china, they just bar it? like. kids aren't well, that's true, but they absolutely do that and
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what kind of warning labels would you put on these apps? >> i mean, could you put a warning on x make fascism x. i always call it. >> i don't it's like a bar that you don't want to go into anymore. >> and there's lots of ways described it, there's a lot of porn on there. >> i think i would say i look up i often walk behind people who are staring at their phones and street, which i think is a little dangerous. >> and i walk up behind them and i yelled, look up and they stop looking at that every single person that someday i'm gonna, it's going to end my life, but every single person goes, oh, i really need to stop. people understand the problem that's right. clearly. >> and care and you may be saving a life because that personally you said, look up, might have just been walking into the end of the crosswalk to cross street, look up scares me i'd see people that exact of course. i'm not going to lie. that myself. kara swisher. great. as always i've seen it.
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