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delay, which favors donald trump now, the court could rule on it tomorrow war until next week, perhaps even later. but either way, the delay is tao. so significant that jack smith's election interference case possibly, maybe likely will not head to trial before november. and then there's the stalled classified documents case out of florida, which trump stands accused of mishandling the nation's secrets. no trial date, insight. there either. and in fact, tomorrow the trump-appointed judge in the case, judge aileen cannon, is going to hold it hearing on whether the special counsel, jack smith, was legally appointed. again, leading to a delay in trump's favor. now, cannon has been widely criticized for slow walking the case from the beginning, her harshest critics have said she's two and inexperienced, perhaps biased, and never should have taken the case in the first place. tonight, we're learning it's not just her critics who questioned her, but her very own colleagues that new york times reports that two federal judges in south florida privately urged cannon to decline the case when it was assigned to her last year. the times reports one judge called

suggest that the case should be handled by someone closer to miami where the grand jury sat and where are secure facility already exist. a review classified information when that didn't work, the chief judge in the southern district of florida reportedly called cannon and suggested she stepped down because of, quote, bad optics from her actions in the criminal investigation long before there was an indictment, the judge was referring to cannon's 2022 decision to allow us special master to review the documents that were taken from mar-a-lago a decision that was widely considered unusual. does that sound like a weaponized system unfairly targeting donald trump? joining us now, former deputy assistant attorney general, harry litman and former miami dade county judge, jeff swartz gentlemen, a judge awards. let me start with you first. you know, the chief judge cecillia ultra nega, who appeal to canada to not take the case how often does this kind of thing happen? it sounds very unusual and ultimately did not work. it sounds like it's

not unusual on the context. chief judges have this tendency to kind of baby new judges, especially very young ones to make sure they don't get in over their head, make, make major your mistakes, that they will have to live down. i know cecillia alto maga. i worked with her on the state court bench she's a very serious and very judicious person. she did not become the chief judge of the southern district of florida by happenstance or because it was her turn cheese there because she's good at what she's doing. and i'm sure that her suggestion was made as it has been said. but said in such a way that i there's no way that aileen cannon or aileen cannon did not realize what she was being told she was being told. you read healy need to let this one go. you need to let me a appoint somebody else to hear the case especially in the southern

district of florida where there are innumerable people who have done national security cases that would have had this case over with before the first of this year. so i actually was there just curb down there at how what's happening. i can tell you that right now fascinating, harry, what do you make these arguments these judges used to try to persuade or to decline the case one judge saying there was no skiff, those secure facility at our courthouse to review the classified material, the chief judge saying it would be bad optics i mean, that's all that's not good it is not good. and the first one gym i actually take as a kind of a soft pedaling. here's a nice neutral reason. they didn't have to build a scif for millions of dollars and they might have i thought that would have succeeded to me that second call. i grew judge schwartz about the relationship with the chief judge generally indeed, a chief judges as close as the judge gets to your boss,

the chief judge that you want to really have good relations with when that second call came and the chief judge said flat out optics. you really judge cannon, this is optics and that affects the entire court, not to mention the 11th circuit that was unvarnished, and i think it was extraordinary that she ignored it. >> and basically decided including how she's proceeded to administer the case, not used it's the magistrate very much and other kind of misadventures that she's not thinking is almost any new judge would be about building good rapport with her colleagues and especially the chief. >> she's betting on another course yeah, judge. tomorrow cannon is set to hear arguments on dismissing the charges against trump on the grounds that the special counsel, jack smith, was improperly appointed people have been raising questions as to why this is even being heard, because again, getting back to what we

were talking about at the top of the program or this notion that the system has been weaponized against donald trump. >> here's another opportunity for yet another delay first of all this motion has been tried as far back as i can remember, and has never been successful they did find a small hole in the original independent council law that was in place during the nixon years. >> and so they put it now under the department of justice. so these special counsel, our employees of the department of justice. they are supervised by the attorney general. it comes out of the department of justice budget those were the problems that they saw and they solve the problem under article three of the constitution. i think it's section two that really talks about how people have the right to make appointments of other judges

that are authorized by congress. yeah. and it deals with the attorney general's office to this this particular motion has been denied over and over and over again to the point where all she had to do was look at judge chunk ans order from just a year ago and say, i'm going to do what she did. and she just couldn't do it. >> yeah. i mean, here it's like both of these, the january 6 case and the documents case unless there something really wild happens, we're not going to see those cases happen before the election i think that's right first, the immunity case that everyone is waiting for might well eventuate in a remand based on what the court says, and that would blow it out of the water. >> and this case, just as such where it said we have delay after delay, she's done something else. it's not whatever it is, it's a straightforward question of law sheets farro has made an evidentiary hearing. god knows what evidence she wants to take, and she's invited

unprecedented. she's invited friends of the court to come in and make argument. two of them in favor of president trump, that that is certainly a recipe for delaying however, she does have this gag order coming up and they pressed on that if she doesn't rule there because it's somewhat exigent, there may be an occasion to take her to the 11th circuit, and one thing reading between the leinz and this new york times article, everybody including the 11th circuit would love to get her out if they have a dance, if it were to happen quickly, could the trial still go on? maybe, but it's really tight already? >> yeah. >> i have to go with there's the prospect if she's removed from the case that the judge has to come in. that slows everything down. the new judge is not going to get this is not the people's court. a new judge doesn't steck it's not, judge. judy does not step in and say all we're doing this next week begin will decide the case in a day. if only judge walker could step in. all right. guys. thanks very much

let's continue your conversation. >> he cnn reporter alayna treene former special assistant to president biden, megan hayes, and former national republican senatorial committee aid, liam donovan. >> let me go to you first. when i talk to you, talked with trump folks a lot more than i did. but when i talked to them, they're pretty confident these federal cases are not going to happen before the election. >> oh, absolutely. >> they have been very encouraged by the slow-walking that we've seen happen and the delays that continuing to be carried down, particularly in this case now, it's interesting and i was sharing this with megan land before that. >> when you talk to donald trump's political advisers, they really want to stay away from this. their whole old joke last year was subpoena free 2023. they recognize that they do not want to be waiting into any of the legal problems so that they could potentially become their own. >> however, with, especially with this case, i'm talking about judge cannon. you see donald trump attack all of the judge's specifically the ones in his federal cases. and

obviously viciously has gone after special counsel jack smith. he is not really attacked judge cannon. so that's one thing i would point your attention to. the other thing is not just about everybody else exactly urge canon, but not judge kim of course, donald trump's lawyers, when i talked to them, are they like that she is dragging this out a bit that she's you know, she's delaying thing. she's creating more hearings, but at the same time, i've also heard that even they can get trade and it seems like attorneys on both sides of this case have been frustrated with some of the ways that she does think she asks them to refile things. they have to be perfect if there's a mistake, you have to refile. she's having these hearings like tomorrow in fort pierce the hour-long hearing, she's adding things to the schedule that even donald trump's attorneys, i know having necessarily been happy with so i mean, liam tomorrow tonight we're learning steve van as closer to go into prison on july 1st for contempt of congress after an appeals court rejected his appeal as last

chances with the supreme court. >> it comes as the former president has reposted an article elevating a threat made by ban and going after andrew mccabe here's that threat. and mccabes response tonight on cnn. let's listen to this mccabe, you should be worried. >> you should be very worried, but also understand this brother, we have extradition treaties with virtually every country in the world. and you go ahead and run and run as far as you want. we're going to come and get you. >> so to have the person who aspires to the highest seat, the highest role of highest job in the land end to start picking out people like me or anyone else. >> and targeting them for revenge, unleashing the rage of their supporters in, however, that's played out it's, it's outrageous. >> and it's just heartbreaking that that's where we are as a nation we're talking about trump's claim that the department of justice is being weaponized against them. so on with steve bannon is talking

about is if donald trump gets an office they're going to use the justice department to hunt down andrew mccabe. i think you've seen this all along. credit sort of predict a pretext that, you know, whatever they're saying is done here will be sort of come back to fold on the other end and there's some level of projection, but there's some level of laying the predicate for being able to wield the power of the justice department apartment going forward. so i mean, that's certainly not encouraging in terms of where things stand to be headed. but this isn't really surprises. it's kind of par for the course i think this is a what we're, what we're looking for head here. >> yeah. yeah. i think that the longer that bannon and trump are able to continue to comment on this just reminds people how chaotic president trump was when he was in office. and i think that it will turn off the swing voters that they need to win the election november. so if they want to keep having this divisive language that's, it's not going to benefit them in the end. and i do agree with you that is just weaponizing the justice system and creating that chaos. but it's just

reminding people that he is a former president is very chaotic and we'll, we'll have a presidency like that. >> yeah, let's show this fox news poll 90 is this right? 94% a voters say trump's hush money trial conviction did not lead them to reconsider who they will support for president 94%. liam, what do you think of that? >> i haven't started. i mean, we know who these guys are, especially with this case in terms of the conviction, we spent the last year-and-a-half hearing about how this was of all the cases, this was the bad case. >> this was the weak case. this was the one that you shouldn't put much stock in. so to have that one be the one that comes out people being this in, people have their opinions on this man for better, for worse, making it makes me wonder if you didn't have the supreme court taking forever and a day to decide on this immunity case. and judge check-ins case could go four to trial. if the documents case could go to trial before the election, that number would you would have to think that that number would be different if there were convictions of donald trump in

the january 6 case and or the documents case? >> yeah, absolutely. the number would probably be different, but this is a national poll. this is going to come down to six states, probably 40 to 50,000 people. so these poles like where they are great, we can't live and die by the polls in favor of biden are not in favor of joe biden and my roommate, but i just think that we need to just take them with a grain of salt and understand that to your point that we have an opinion baked in alaina. i they know this too. >> i'm sorry, the trump campaign. >> they do numbers would be different. i mean, they they knew the hush money trial was if they were any of the trials that was the one that they wanted. >> it was i've been granted. they also recognize that it was very embarrassing for donald trump, particularly with the witnesses like stormy daniels and michael cohen, who they heard from. but yes, you're completely right. i mean, when they looked at this case, out of all of the cases he says they did want this to go first because they thought to your point, lamb that this was kind of the most that most americans thought was kind of didn't make sense. and where are you charging a president or former president on something like this so close to an election, i'll also j.j. just talking

about the poll when i talked up to voters on the ground, and specifically, i normally go to trump rally, so that's the group of supporters is fear of supporters. and i'm talking tail. but they, even when i talk to democrats, it is similar to the pole and a sense that they say, we don't really understand this case. we don't know why it's happening. it does seem that there's so many cases. again and stem. and of course, from trump's supporters, you can understand there they're very against what's happening with donald trump and all of his legal battles. >> but yeah, it does. >> the numbers do reflect what i'm hearing. all right. interesting guys. thank you very much, really appreciate it just ahead of warning from a political commentator, van jones, who told me earlier today, it will be well, panic in the party of biden does not perform well at the debate is democratic congressman ro khanna worried, i'll ask him next theory you right back so who are you? i'm in a child what you really need life is some fricking torque our job

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week from tonight right here on cnn, biden won a coin toss and chose to stand on the right side of the tv screen. >> as a result, trump will deliver the last closing statement tonight, biden answering how debate prep is going with a familiar gesture okay? glad it was a thumbs up. he's at camp david right now with a tight circle of advisers going over briefing binders, honing attack leinz, and bracing for what trump will likely throw at him. the trump team says it's exchanging traditional debate, prep for policy sessions with potential vp picks while working on raining and his rhetoric, trump also playing the expectations game and changing his tune on what to expect from president biden he beat paul ryan, who was still years ago, but he'd beat paul ryan pretty badly. >> i assume he's going to be somebody that will be a worthy debater. yeah, i would say

joining me now, democratic congressman ro khanna from california, congressman sounds like somebody on trump's team. got tobin said, you need to stop saying that biden is wandering around and not making sense because you have to debate them next week, he can't keep lowering experts the but what do you think of what van jones had to say that if the president does not do well next week it's game over. do you agree with that i think reality is dawning on donald trump. >> he didn't just beat paul ryan. he defeated in two debates, donald trump last time and now that the debate is becoming more real that is something that has dawned on the trump team. i also think that the president has the best debate prep person in the nation, and that's ron klain. so he's going to be extremely well prepared for his debate. >> and look these campaigns or merit done so but van jones said you know, obviously we're all hoping that he has a good debate, but no one debate, no

one speech is a make or break moment in a long presidential campaign so if he has a bad night next thursday, you don't think they're going to be some in your party who are going to think, okay? >> what do we do now if he sneezes the wrong way, there's some in my party who say, what are we going to do now, but they're not the winners i mean, joe biden didn't become president of the united states by reading every time he had a bad night, he's one of the most resilient human beings in the country. >> i mean, overcame the loss of by the overcame the loss of his son. you overcame to presidential losses at he had the resilience and the grit and the character to lead this nation. and that's what's going to prevail. someone who thinks i have a bad debate. i'm not going to compete, doesn't deserve to run for president, let alone be president and i do want to ask a new fox news poll shows there's no clear leader in the race, but among independents biden is now leading trump by nine points what explains that shift? what is biden need to do to build on

that? might some of this have to do with the the felony conviction i thought it was a very encouraging box poll. >> it's the first time it showed the president in the lead. it shows that he is building momentum and the independence are going to decide this election. >> why the numbers moved so dramatically in the president's direction. >> i don't think there's a clear explanation though. i do think it could be partly the conviction. it could be as the race gets more and more, a serious people are saying, do we really want to have donald trump represent the united states of america around the world. and so there is momentum clearly with the president, but he's going to have to run through the tape. it's going to be a close election, a heart lecture and i don't know if you've heard this congressman, but trump has been saying nonstop that biden is slipping and competent and all of a sudden trump is now saying along with some of his allies that the president may be using

enhancements are drugs, or even cocaine it's kind of hard to follow what they're saying, but listen to what trump and sean hannity have said this week he's going to be so pumped up, he's gonna be pumped up, you know, all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house? >> what happened? >> i think the joe biden we see and debate night is going to be the guy that we saw at the state of the union though. you're gonna be all hyped up calf hyper caffeinated yeah. i mean, when you hear that, i mean, obviously we've reached the point now where folks can just every people just say anything now and obviously the former president does that people on fox do that what's your response when you hear that sort of thing? it's really sad that this country has devolved into those kind of personal attacks. it used to be that you debated the issues? yes. people were what swing up, punch above the belt, but you never had personal attacks and

of this kind and the reason that you have these personal taxes, people are waiting king up to realize that joe biden rises to the occasion that he is actually been an extraordinarily skilled debater in his entire career. that he delivers when the pressure is on and that a lot of the charges against him accusing him of losing it his mental faculty have just been total missing information and they're going to see joe biden in command on the stage on debate night. and that reality is now about to happen. >> and just very quickly, just fine. i know you said recently that the president needs to work on winning back young voters any you have a progress report on that. how do you think that's going he's making progress when we're talking about abortion rights in the battleground, states that is something that resonates with young voters. >> he has called for a permanent ceasefire and given it a compelling speech of met, how we're going to end the war. that is resonating with

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ice. >> did 242424 i'm evan perez and washington. and this is cnn tonight we have some new audio to play you of donald trump hinting behind closed doors at what he refuses to say in public, he lost the 2020 election while answering a question about his relationship with onetime friend and an apprentice contestant role to rivera trump said this let was for all the leg it was good. >> he did a good job he was smart cunning he did a good job and are you guys to the closer you know, i don't think so. he is after i lost the election, i won the election. >> but when they said what he called me up three or four times did you catch that if you want to just if you have one of those dvr machines, you want to

rewind it, listen to it again. >> you could do that right now. we'll be here when you come back. >> was it a slip at the time possibly but former trump, is like cassidy hutchinson, alyssa farah, they've all said trump privately acknowledged he lost the 2020 election, but you can hear it there. >> we heard it. we just heard it we just heard it and public trump continues to perpetuate the lie that the election was stolen the radical left democrats rig the presidential election in 2020. the facts are in they, now they see it as a rigged election. >> the election was a rigged election is stolen. >> election recording comes from an interview trump did with the author of a new book examining his reality tv stardom apprentice and wonderland, how donald trump and mark burnett took america through the looking grass, looking glass, i should say with me now, author remain. >> so too does he he's also the editor in chief co editor and chief of variety, remain sorry to botch, the title of the book, but it's a great book. looks great and thanks

for coming on just to give you the pushback first and the trump campaign. they posted tonight on x that you're lying in a sad, desperate attempt to sell your book. but remain in the recording. it's fascinating we've heard people like alyssa farah and cassidy hutchinson say they heard trump admit acknowledged that he lost the election. others have said this we don't hear it. >> we don't hear the audio of it very much. and he seems to catch himself after saying he lost the election. take us in that moment, what was the light? >> thank you. thank you so much for having me on my book is based on six interviews i conducted with donald trump after he left the white house starting in 2021. >> this was from de we spent together in august of 2021. we were actually in a boardroom in trump tower and i was showing him clips of the apprentice and having him recall some of his memories of the contestants and her aldo was one of the contestants on the celebrity apprentice, and one of the arguments in my book is that donald trump views the world through the prism of reality tv. and in fact, he still sees

himself in a lot of ways as a reality tv star. when he said to me that he lost the election. and you can hear the inflection is voice. if you go back and re-listen to it on your dvr, dvr. here that he says. and he pivots, right. and then he says, oh, i won the election. and it's very dramatic swing. and that is the actor and donald trump, but that is the performance artists and donald trump. and that is a character he played on the apprentice as boss of the boardroom, where he learned how to manipulate the press, manipulate cameras, and change the narrative to suit the reality that he wants is a reality star yeah, i mean, there's always like the mask came down for a moment. >> he broke character for a moment and let's talk about dennis rodman dennis robin also came up in your interview. >> he met with north korean dictator kim jong-un and 2013 and trump also praised robins dating life. let's listen to this dennis was pretty cool cat in many ways. i'll tell you it looked he dated madonna when

she was the number one person you got to have something going right into remained apparently he goes on to talk about why dennis rodman is maybe better than a typical state department official in dealing with kim, the likes of kim jong-un he does. he says that he's better than the guys that graduate from harvard and know about foreign diplomacy. but it is very interesting to hear him talk about this because it explains donald trump he views the world through the currency of fame. >> and the fact that dennis rodman got to date madonna is seen as an incredible accomplishment in donald trump's eyes. >> he also spoke about the cardiac ashley nc claimed that he's never seen their show, but their level of fame. he understands donald trump wants fame. and as a reality star, he was taught that ratings equals success equal renewal. and that's why he's always so focused on his poll numbers because he's very interested in this endorsement that people like him, that they follow him and he thinks of that is how we can get renewed for more

episodes. that's what he views his presidential runs as as like big re-up for another season that and that's what's so fascinating about your book, is that you look at trump's through this prism that we haven't really spent enough time looking through and you met with trump six times as you wrote about the show. and after all of this, after he left the white white house, is that right what were these interactions like between you and the former president when you were just talking about, it seems to me that was sort of why maybe he slipped up a little bit 30 admitted he lost the election because he he was talking about an area where he was comfortable tv, reality tv ten being a showman, which is what he prizes as himself on. he told me he's one of the world's greatest storytellers and that's why he gets these huge ratings when he does interviews. and he was also very comfortable with me. that is how i was able to get him to bring his guard down. he was happiest when we talked about his memories of being on the apprentice. he was cranky us and our conversations when he relived his day this is commander in chief. he was very frustrated about some of the

things that happen. the white house and the fact that he wasn't broadly liked, it wasn't about policy for him. it wasn't about legislation for him. it was all about the fact that people didn't like him or they said things about him, or famous people said things about him. and he spent a lot of time actually trying to settle then dead as with the likes of deborah messing or martha stewart or other celebrities that had spoken bad things that said bad things about him in the press yeah. >> i mean, i covered trump at the white house and you can see that on his twitter feed, we recovered. he obsessed over celebrities and whether they liked him or disliked him it made you think it shouldn't be worried about running the country right now? you're the leader of the free world, but fascinating the world that you took us inside with this book remains to, to, to thank you very much for your time. make sure you check out. remains book, fascinating stuff. good. >> thank you so much for having me really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> just ahead. call it the ozempic economy new weight loss drugs could completely transform the economy. and even change what's on grocery store

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billion by 2030. it has the potential to completely transform the economy. we're already seeing some examples. take food, nestle it is now advertising a line of meals specifically for people taking weight loss drugs herbal life is pushing what it calls companion products for users including a shake. and if you think food will be the only industry impact, yes. again, try close the ceo of one apparel company telling the wall street journal that more customers are switching to smaller sizes than at any point in the past 15 years joining me now, fitness expert jillian michaels, host of the keeping it real podcast and creator of the fitness app. she's been critical of drugs like ozempic, also with me cnn, economics and political commentator catherine ram pell, a ladies, thanks so much. i mean, it is, it is kind of a phenomenon. what's happening right now and catherine, you've done lot of research on this and this boom and the use of these drugs and how it's touching all of these corners of the economy, like the food and beverage industry. i didn't even think about clothing. of course that's impacted as well not just

clothing, not just food, fast food in particular, sugary sodas, things like that. you can imagine health care spending. there are a lot of other health complications, chronic illnesses that are linked with obesity. think diabetes, heart disease joint problem because et cetera. so you're likely to see some fallout. there. there are a number of other ways you could affect the economy. things like the labor force. if you have people with fewer disability because they don't develop diabetes, for example, maybe they're able to work longer. maybe they're able to work more hours. so yes, it's touching all sectors of the economy, domestic and international for that matter. >> and julian, you are not making a secret of this. you're not a fan of these drugs you don't think they're healthy. tell us why not? >> well, the first thing the only economy that i care about is the average american who's struggling every day.

>> and all you're doing in my opinion is your robbing peter to pay paul, so you're taking from big food to pay big pharma. and the reality is that drugs do facilitate weight-loss there's a cost physically and financially to the consumer there exceptionally expensive. they come with pretty scary set aside effects and if we can achieve the same benefit to the end-user by eating a little bit less and moving a little bit more, which is irrefutable. >> that's how these drugs facilitate weight loss they help you eat less. why wouldn't we help people do that? but here's the thing. if these drugs make people eat less sweets and alcohol force companies to respond with healthier options, smaller portions. >> i mean it folks like nestle and herbal life of their coming out with companion products. >> i mean, it does sound as though it's moving people into a healthier lifestyle. >> where i don't see that. i

don't see that at all personally. i think not even a little bit. in fact, there was a report that just came out in routers that showed it was done by prime therapeutics and their pharmacy benefit managers for 38 million people through blue cross blue sorry blue cross blue shield. >> and they're seeing that 66% of the people that go on these drugs come off of it within the first year of loans. now you've wasted all that money. >> you put yourself behind the eight ball because you gain the weight back and then sum all the metanalyses show us this all right? and again, why wouldn't we just demand that of big food in the first place? do the right thing. they've weaponized food, it's not a secret all right. >> well, say what a lot of people are going off of the meds. >> some of them are going off of them because they don't like the side effects which do happen to some people. but a lot of them are going off the meds because they've hit their weight targets and what i've interviewed people about these medications in their experience

with them, a lot of people have said to me that they helped develop better habits as a result of going on these medications that the medications do seem to quiet some sort of food noise. i've heard a lot of people use that expression the chatter in the back of their head as well as chatter about other kinds of addictive or compulsive behaviors for that matter, like drinking, gambling, smoking, drugs, and once they can quiet that, they are able to develop better habits in terms of the exercise, in terms of portion control, it does look like a lot of people who are on these medications may have to be on them for the rest of their lives. there's that's definitely been the case that has been described for particularly people who have had clinical obesity. >> but it's not necessarily clear that that will be the case for everyone who has a good experience with these men. >> occasions. >> yeah, i worry about people. yo-yo dieting and jilian, is that a possibility that people

might experience this weight loss and then they go off the drug and they may gain it back it's not even a question of whether or not it's a possibility the vast majority do experience and extreme yo-yo dieting effect. >> they put the weight on and then some and we know that along the way there's significant muscle loss it can damage the vagus nerve, which will interrupt your natural ability to regulate appetite. >> and list goes on and on as to the reasons why, but it's in the studies, it's not even a question and i bring us back to this question. >> if these are individuals who are capable of establishing healthy habits, why don't we start there? >> yeah. >> now it's a great message. >> look at i was gonna say you know, i'm, i'm not a medical professional, but a lot of the people that i've talked with in my reporting on this, who have gone on these medications. this was not the first thing that they tried. they tried diets, they tried exercise. i spoke to people who had lap band surgery among other kinds.

signs of more serious interventions and really struggled with it. but it does seem like these medications do operate in some sense on the brain and that affects their behavior. in any event. so for what it's worth, i would say talking to medical professionals don't listen to me about about what drugs to take, but it does seem like this has been an effective course of medication for a lot of people and may prevent other forms of expensive and unpleasant health complications down the line yeah, like those ads say talk to your doctor. >> that's the most important part, jillian catherine you've given us both a lot to think about here. thanks a lot. really appreciate it. could talking about you thank you appreciate it just ahead a very stirring tribute to the leagues and the late mlb legend willie mays at the place where he grew up. it made his name, that's next birmingham. >> i've been telling you all that if there's any way on earth, my father to come down here, that he would while he's

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field, the oldest ballpark in the country, once serving as home to the iconic league team, the birmingham black barons were countless hall of famers including the legendary willie mays, played at one time or another. and tonight eight poignant tribute to the leagues living legends and those who are no longer with us with the first major league baseball game at rickwood field. and memorable matchup between the giants and the st. louis cardinals let's bring in birmingham native and comedian roy wood junior there he is right? there and i might add a rickwood field veteran. >> is that right i wouldn't say veteran, but if you want whatever words you want to save for, wrote the bench three years in high school with the brick wood is home feel, whatever word works there instead. >> good to see you good to see you sounds like my high school for. its experience as well. roy explains as a field of work that we would end to. but you had a pretty neat assignment at at this game tonight. tell us about that you know, i had been

working with mlb network for the last couple of months on putting together. >> we had a podcast called role to rick rickwood, will be spoke with former leaguers who played in the stadium and people who were actually integral in being a part of the construction in the community of what rickwood field created tonight, wasn't just about the leagues, it wasn't just about willie mays, it was about taking time to say, thank you to those people, but also looking forward to what the game of baseball b and i think the essence of willie mays is that his love for the game and his love for people brought people together. i was there at the game on tuesday night in the booth with mlb when we made the announcement that mr. meza pass and we looked around the crowd and people were crying, but strangers were also hugging one another. and it was very similar atmosphere tonight. it was just it was it was a beautiful ninth for the state of alabama and a beautiful knife for baseball. >> yeah. and the passing of

willie mays, his life story this event at rickwood this evening. >> it's all really helping to tell a story that needs to be told about the leagues and the special place that it holds in the story of baseball and american, i know you played baseball at this field in high school what's your appreciation for this place? >> to be the appreciation for is just how much history is forgotten, swept under the rug, you know, baseball peaked at a time before basketball and foot and so now it's competing in the social zeitgeist ecosystem of conversation now, but we're talking about a field gym where one-third of all majorly hall of famers plate there. we're talking about a file with the first ever integrated sporting event in the state of alabama happened there the same day, the first ever integrated crowd baseball was a tool for social experimentation and just showing people that the quality

is not that far-fetched of an idea. and that happened at that field. we're talking about the field were willie mays got his first professional hit? so in a wild way to be able to celebrate an exalt this man on a field where his career started at 17-years-old as a product of a birmingham suburb of fairfield it wasn't honor to be there and it wasn't even bigger honor. two witness. i think it was almost 50 of the 140 or so remaining living leaguers that we're able to make the trial this week to see them to see them be applauded. >> it was it there's just beautiful man. yeah. >> and what do you hope? young fan's learn from these legends they were a lot. >> of. them were in the crown, you know, darrell reynolds and allow the people from mlb, they gave tickets away to the local baseball and softball team. so they were there to witness the generations that is fired, two

generations that is, when you're looking down on the field and you're seeing your idle prime because he's meeting his idol when you see kenny griffey and jeder and barry bonds bowing down to these great man. it's humbling and i think that above all, what distributed integrally shows black american athletes is that they still have a place in the sport of baseball if they want to continue playing. and i think it's just about keeping the excitement of the sport alive as it becomes a little bit more fiscally difficult to play it at an elite level, much like golf or tennis yeah for folks who haven't seen it yet, i mean, i was watching this evening what reggie jackson had to say tonight. i mean, just the stories that are pouring out of people as all of you came together to talk about this it's so critically important and roy always great to talk. i wish we could keep talking, but they'll they'll just cut us off at midnight here. but a great to talk to you really appreciate the time one event