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ukraine, allowing counter-strikes inside of russia using us weapons. >> how far will ukraine go and hitting back on vladimir putin's own term? >> welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world i will flits her. you're in the situation room our top story tonight preparations for the cnn presidential debates are revving up right now, exactly one week before the must-see showdown between president joe biden and former president donald trump our correspondence or covering the candidates and the lead up to their face off in atlanta. first, let's go to cnn's kayla tausche. she's over at the white house for us. kayla, how is the president preparing? >> well, if president biden will be huddling with his aides at camp david, the mountain side, maryland retreat just north of here for the next several days, there'll be pouring over materials of a prior trump appearance is

binders of questions, topics, possible punches counter punches sifting through and culminating into a mock 90 minute debate in a few days once they feel like they've refined, their message at that debate, we've now learned that the president's personal attorney, bob bauer for his likely to reprise his role, standing in for former president trump behind the podium as he did four years ago in the prior election, according to sources, who are familiar with the matter, but the messaging goal, for the biden team is pretty simple. they believe that voters have been tuned out and disengaged up until this point. and they believe that voters let's have missed some of what they see is the more incendiary things that trump has said. so they plan to call those out and to hold the former president accountable one of those pieces because of material that i've learned that they plan to raise is trump's comments in december that he plans to be a dictator on day one, but that he says he won't be a dictator after that. now as far as this setup on stage, some of those details

are also starting to come together. biden's team won the coin toss and they had a choice between choosing their position shan on stage or having the last word on stage, they chose the right podium. so biden will be standing on the right and former president trump will speak last on stage so certainly as these details are coming together, final preparations are being made. and now it's down to figuring out. well, what exactly they're going to say to each other interests there are kayla standby? >> i want to bring in cnn's alayna treene right now. she's covering the trump campaign for us, alaina, is it fair to say the former president is taking a rather different approach? >> i absolutely wolf. so you just heard kayla a layout that president joe biden and his team are going to host a mock debate. donald trump has no plans to do that now even though that is what he's done traditionally in the past, we know that people like rudy giuliani and chris christie have stood in and role played his opponents for past debate prep. they will not be doing

that this year. now, when i talked to trump's campaign and what you hear them say publicly is that donald trump does not need as it's much preparation as someone like joe biden. they're trying to really downplay the amount of preparation that he's doing. but of course, he is preparing and his advisers have told me that he's a participated in more than a dozen of what they're jumping policy discussions with vice presidential contenders senators, policy experts, also people from his previous administration. i know some of those people have included kellyanne conway rick renelle, stephen miller, all people who served in his white house. now, some of these policies see discussions, just some of the topics that have come up are the economy and sharpening his message on inflation. we know that he met with jd vance, a top contender for vice president earlier this month at mar-a-lago to talk about that. he also met last week with senators marco rubio and eric schmidt, and they discussed the january 6, for his, handling of the january 6 attack on the capitol. now, i also wolf just

want to bring your attention to something else that's playing out behind the scenes, which is expectation setting. we know for months now that donald trump and his campaign of really painted joe biden as this week feeble mentally and physically unfit person however, that's a very low bar for joe biden. and now donald trump is, i'm trying to maybe change that rhetoric of it. take a listen to what he said. the other day in wisconsin is anybody going to watch the debate he's going to be so pumped up, he's going to be pumped up. >> you know, all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house. they'll probably be negotiating with three people, but that's okay. i've done that before. >> i'll be debating three people instead of one, instead of one, half of a person now off to be very clear, there is no evidence that joe biden has taken any sort of performance, improving drug or that he plans too. >> but this is kind of the rhetoric that donald trump is

using two maybe raise those expectations for his performance. now, i can also tell you just behind the scenes that trump's team, they're not just talking about policy. there also workshopping his rhetoric we know and pass debates. he has talked over biden, he has been very aggressive, not just toward his opponents, but also the moderators. this is something they've worked behind closed doors to rein in. and lastly, just to kayla's point about biden winning that coin flip onstage donald trump also got to choose who would get to speak last they chose that they want to give closing arguments. so trump will have the last word next thursday all right. >> alayna treene and kayla tausche to both of you. thank you very, very much. excellent reporting. let's get some analysis with our political experts, right? by jeff zeleny, this decision by the biden campaign to pick the right lectern as opposed to the left lectern. and let trump for all practical purposes, have the last word, what's up with that? >> it was interesting. i taught you a couple of biden advisers and no one exactly seemed to no one person said, perhaps he prefers, that's as good side

to be on camera. look, i think at the end of the day, both of them will have plenty of time. and the last word probably does not matter as much as what happens in the full debate going up until that period. but it's so striking, i've been spending a lot of time going back, watching both of the debates from 2020 the same men, but boy, everything has changed not only in the world, but also between them. so much of the last debates were dominated by coronavirus in trump's handling of it and his record, again and again, then former vice president joe biden was going after trump's record. now, it's president biden's record that he has to defend and in the history of these debates, that's one thing that often trips up incumbents because defending your record does not allow you to talk about the future and it gives some other attack, leinz. but what's so interesting about this history is probably not our best guide here in terms of the struggles of incumbents because both of them are incumbent presidents and neither one of them have debated for four years. they

both do not have primary debates. so, so much is on the line. >> but again, this is a unique situation. >> a sitting president versus a former sitting president. we've never seen it before. >> interest again, nima like a henderson is with us as well. sources are telling us at cnn that president biden is likely to pick his personal lawyer bob bauer to play trump in these mock sessions that he's going to be going through preparing for the debate. what does that tell you? >> well, listen biden obviously has a team of people around him who were very familiar to him, who have prepped him for debates prior, people like ron klain, people like bob bauer and that's a team of people he trusts. that's a team of people who really i think have served him well in the past. if you look at those past debates, he pretty much worn than the last and bates against donald trump. and it really i think sealed the momentum he had in that 2020 rates. they're looking for that momentum again here they expect donald trump to be donald trump for all this talk about all the sort of prep and policy briefings he

supposedly in donald trump will likely show up as donald trump, which is somewhat on who tends to be meandering in terms of his speech disjointed in terms of his speech. very disjointed overall in terms of what his arguments in living in the past, right. expect him to litigate 2020 again. so listen, i think out of the two joe biden is the more practiced and pop polish debater. i do think he's got to figure out about how do you lay a vision ford for the country rather than getting mired down in his own policy and his own legislative achievements, which quite formidable, but he's gotta be more forward-looking. >> you're going to be doing a lot of practice sessions going into that debate one week from today, meghan hayes is with us biden officials say they will try to hold trump accountable on the debate stage. how do they do that? >> i mean, i think that the president needs to just cut them off when he's not being honest, are telling miss truth and i think that you do that by wanting him with what you've done and what you had to do to fix the economy that he left and some of the other things that he left. the, you know,

when, when we got into office in 2021, there was a lot of different legislative things and if different tactics that the president took and he can backed away, he can talk about his achievements by blunting the foreign president. >> yeah, but their mics are gonna be turned off so it's gonna be harder to interrupt it in the course of this debate. sure. michael singleton is with us as well. trump has largely not bothered with trying to set expectations for this debate other than to belittle, try to be a little biden as much as possible. the new york times is writing this and let me quote from the new york times, the expectations game is a particular challenge for the trump campaign. mr. trump has spent months casting the 81-year-old, mr. biden as a husk of a man who can barely walk or formulate complete sentences. but if mr. biden clears the very low bar that mr. trump has now set for him. that's from the new york times. it's an interesting question. >> it is a wolf i would allow optics to speak for themselves if i'm advising the former president on preparation, i think tone matters. i wouldn't

interrupt once the microphones are muted, and i would constantly make the current president speak about his current record. i would make him have to defend the fact that household incomes from it for a family of four we're at the lowest they have ever been in over a decade i would make him have to defend that the ability to buy a home is almost nonexistent for a large percent of the american people. i would make him defend the fact that inflation is driving up costs for everyday goods. i would make him defend the fact that the immigrant patient crisis is out of hand. i would make him defend the fact that we're seeing aggression from adversaries such as russia and china and does not appear to be a path forward or strategy from this administration to tackle those issues. that that is what i think could separate the former president and to a nice point, we did see once in 2016 after the former president one he gave that speech and everyone was surprised to go, wow, this is a different version of trump that we're not used to scene. he needs to tap into that version next thursday. >> talk about substantive issues. absolutely not. the other stuff. it's interesting.

there's a new poll and who fox poll, jeff and you've seen it. i've seen it it shows that this is still a very, very tight race but look at this biden is ahead in this new fox news poll ahead of trump, very slightly 50% to 48%. that's clearly within the so-called margin of error. so there's no clear leader, but it does show that biden in these polls over these past few months has improved. >> without a doubt, i mean, he has made gains among some independent voters in the wake of the convictions or during that timeframe, we don't know if it's because of that, but look, well, by and large, this is a very stable race, perhaps in an unstable world but the contest between the two has barely moved i mean, despite everything that has happened, the convictions have not moved at the terminal in the middle east really hasn't moved it the national polls are, there are some limits to what we can gain from those, but state-by-state, when you look at all of these battlegrounds, it is remarkably tight, almost always within the margin now

let's not necessarily good for the incumbent president because the incumbent president would certainly like to have an advantage. that's why the debate, the earliest debate in history, could be defining a shakeup this race or not if it doesn't, it's hard to imagine anything else for the remainder of the campaign. doing something dramatic i just shake up the earliest debate and i think probably the most important debate any of us have ever covered over the last many years are covering politics. biden is obviously hoping to gain some more momentum. you see some of that in this fox news ball, donald trump, of course it doesn't like this pole because it does show independence as you said moving closer to the president, it shows biden doing very well among older voters. that's a trend that he started in 2020 and doing a little better among african american voters as well. i think he's got a sort out. how do you piece together a coalition, a winning coalition, biden the national polls are one thing, but in these states like michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin,

it's a whole different thing. >> what is this new fox poll? and some of the other polls that have in recent days come out, tell you about the importance of this upcoming debate. >> i mean, i think it's an extremely important, but i think that optics here matter more than almost a substance. people are gonna look at them and how they look and how they sound and who can be the president? for the next four years, both of them are could be the oldest presidents here elected. and i just think that that's really going to matter more than most things. and so they need to come out strong. they both need a sound strong. and what they're saying, it's interesting because trump did like this pole, this fox news poly put on his truth social account. he said, the latest fox news poll is trash. fox news should get rid of paul ryan and get a new pollster just the pole is somewhat alarm farming for the fact that you do worry about some of those independence. but what i took out of that pull and i read through it, it's pretty lengthy. the economy is still top of mind for most people when you look at, when you asked individuals, what do they think about the state of the economy? i think 68% we're worried when you asked if many americans felt that they were

financially okay, most of them said they were not that's good for donald trump. >> but on that poll stability and democracy also are in the top three issues that people are concerned about. and those are two things that former president trump is not doing well on. >> that's fair it's still the economy stupid. >> is that what you're saying? well, if i didn't want to say that, but that's what i'm saying. james carville said. all right, guys. thanks very, very much. so just ahead, the judge overseeing donald trump's classified documents, trial back in the spotlight. new details on the earth early days of the case, when colleagues reportedly urged judge cannon to step aside, plus united states supreme court just adding another new de to let's calendar to announce decisions of the outstanding blockbuster cases that remain, including whether donald trump is immune from prosecution in his federal election subversion trial date night in america, as biden and trump meet and only cnn has completed coverage with unrivaled access and exclusive

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advice to step aside from the assignment the information from the new york times comes amid growing criticism of judge aileen cannons handling of the case. >> let's break it all down with our legal experts and i'll start with our chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid, who's here with me in the situation room. what is this new report revealed to you about that, judge? aileen cannon decision to stay on this case? >> it's the new dimension to the criticism and scrutiny that she's faced. and she was randomly assigned this trial here, the new york times reporting that to more senior, more experienced judges or try to pass it off to someone else because she has scant trial experience. but she refused to do that. >> now, another reason they were urging her to pass it off is because the first time she got involved in this case early on, she got what we call ben slapped by the court of appeals saying that she didn't have the authority to do some things that she was doing related to the search warrant that was executed at mar-a-lago. >> now, since she has been overseeing this case, like i said, she's been under scrutiny, especially for all the things. she hasn't yet

done. she currently has six motions to dismiss outstanding. there's still a question lingering about a possible gag order and there's no trial date. now, some people have also asked if some of her delay tactics are meant to help the former president if he talked to his legal team, they'll be the first people to tell you that they don't feel like she has really helped them she often rules against them. but when it comes to their most important objective, which is to delay this case until after the election. she has helped them achieve that. looks like there's no way this case is going to be decided before the election. no way. yeah. elliott there, what was your reaction to this new york times report? >> yeah. >> its engine. i clerked on the southern district of florida and sort of unfamiliar with some of the judges at issue here. one the main points that they raise in the article is that there's a practical reason of where her chambers are located. she sits enforced fort pierce, florida, which is about two hours north of miami where most of the litigants are further south in palm beach county in miami-dade county. and it might have just been practical. it's also it's not

surprising to me that federal judges, more senior federal judges might approach another judge to stop yep. off of the case because there's all kinds of reasons why judges stepped off of cases whether it's a matter of recusal or a conflict of interest, or simply, this judge may not based on their workload, be the right person going to take it. so i'm not stunned by this, and particularly given some of the some of the points that paul had raised about why people were concerned about how she's doing in the case. it's not a big shock here. >> cordero is with us as well. >> or cnn legal analyst as you know, judge cannon, aileen cannon will hold a hearing tomorrow on trump's request to declare the special counsel, jack smith's appointment invalid. what's going on with well, so it is surprising that she took she's giving the former president this much opportunity to argue on this issue. i think most observers would agree that the special counsel is legitimate, and so she is giving a wide amount of latitude to the former president and his legal arguments. but i have to say, i think that's some of the commentary very regarding judge

cannon really is getting sort of condescending some the article that came out of the new york times. it said that some of the other judges urged her to turn over the case because to someone who was older and more experienced of a jurist and other judges sometimes are new on the bench she maybe has made decisions that certainly i disagree with in terms of the law. but the way for that to be adjudicated as for the appellate process to work out. so in the example ample of the search warrant, she issued a decision i happen to disagree with the decision that she made to have a special master and she was overturned by the appellate level, and that's actually the way that it's supposed to work. >> the legal system of play in a polo, we're just learning that the supreme court will release more opinions on wednesday. yeah. meaning that the earliest we can get a decision in the trump immunity case could come potentially then or maybe a few days later. what's your sense that this is such an important case? when do we suspect the supreme court?

finally reach a decision? >> well, the one that i've learned about the supreme court is don't even try to guess when they're going to release their decisions, but presumably to happen in the next ten days. we also have tomorrow. but the reason this is such a critical decision, this question on whether the former president has any immunity to attacked him from the other federal case is facing from jack smith related january 6 is this is a question that could have implications for presidential power in this united states. something that has really never been examined before. do you have criminal immunity? how far does that extend? so it's not just about that case is for all future presidents of the united states, which is why we are watching that one so closely. there is another related case, i having to do with another defendant who was charged in january 6, a question about obstruction. now, depending on how that case is decided, that could also have implications for trump's case. but it's not just about trump, it's this larger question of presidential power remember the justices, they have lifetime appointments, they have no bosses. they do whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it. but we'll be watching

over the next ten days. >> there's no one is above the law. that's what they keep saying. and the question is, is trump above the law? >> all right i hope not and yes, it's a little bit of a platitude. >> no one is above the law. now this question of immunity, it all depends on what they do with it. and it seems based on oral argument with that they're probably going to send it back down to the lower court to sort out the difference between what's a personal action of the president versus an official act of him. but we don't know. and this is an important principle one american law wolf, who is above the law and we don't know yet. >> we will be watching every morning over the next several days, guys. thank you very, very much coming up the white house and the pentagon publicly confirming cnn reporting today on ukraine. >> a lot i've report on what one senior officials calling a truly extraordinary change in policy switch to shopify.

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underscored earlier this week by the national security adviser is that no, this policy actually extends to really the entire border region between ukraine and russia, as long as russia continues to use its territory along that kind of border to launch attacks inside ukraine. here's what national security adviser jake sullivan said about this earlier this week it extends to anywhere that russian forces are coming across the border from the russian side to the ukrainian side to try to take additional ukraine indian territory now this is something that the secretary general of nato, for example, had been pushing for essentially saying that it makes sense that if ukraine is being attacked from russian territory great worry that they should have the right to strike back, but us officials are emphasizing here that the policy with regard to those long-range missiles, those attack them missiles launching deep inside russian territory that has not changed, that is still a no go. they really want to keep it limited to that border area wolf, natasha, understand the us has also moved ukraine to the top of the list of countries receiving shipments of sophisticated

american air defense systems. what will that do? >> yeah, this is something that a us official is calling a very extraordinary policy change because essentially what it's doing is that is making it so that these patriots interceptor there's those missiles that intercept incoming from the russians, as well as nay san interceptors. all part of air defense systems. those that are rolling right off the production leinz the us, they're going to go straight to ukraine. so basically ukraine is going to the top of the list and other countries that have ordered these interceptors are going to have to wait and the reason for that is that official say that ukraine simply is not going to have enough of these air defense munitions to last it through the winter. and therefore, it is going to be extremely vulnerable to russian attacks on critical infrastructure you're for example, if the us doesn't make this very dramatic policy shift, which they are now having to inform an a very diplomatically sensitive manner. these other countries that have been waiting for quite some time to get these interceptors. but the priority right now is ukraine will vary significant developments. so tasha, thank you very much. not

a us tensions and they're very serious right now with israel amid the war in gaza, biden administration officials are sharpening their public push-back against the prime minister benjamin at time you, after he claimed the united states was withholding weapons from israel, listen you'd have to talk to the prime minister about what prompted him to do that. >> again, it was vexing and disappointing. does as as as much as it was incorrect, i'm not exactly sure what the prime minister is talking about or what he was trying to accomplish there is one shipment of high-payload munitions that we have put on under review and that remains under review. that's not a bottleneck. that's a policy review or let's bring in our chief national security correspondent alex barak word alex, these tensions are on full display right now. >> but what's behind, what's happening behind the scenes? >> we're hearing similar frustrated mission behind the scenes, wolfe, i was speaking with a senior biden restoration official earlier today who told me that the anger is palpable.

it is remarkable to hear these administration official saying these things about netanyahu two days ago, the white house press qatari saying, we genuinely don't know what he's talking about. the us has been the biggest supporter of israel diplomatically and militarily since this war began, they assembled a mole let's see, country coalition to help israel when it was attacked by iran as the state department spokesman was saying, there is exactly one shipment of large bombs that is being held up by the biden menstruation nothing more than that. now, netanyahu, almost certainly for public, for domestic consumption is painting himself out to be a victim. there was a slight walk back from the prime minister there's office, he tweeted that the prime minister met with the us ambassador. and during that meeting, the weapons that the prime minister or referred to in his angry video against the vitamin striation r&d in the process of being delivered to israel. netanyahu is closest aide, ron dermer is. and why kingston today you can certainly imagine that this kerfuffle came up in those meetings. but whether this changes the administration's posture

towards netanyahu, that remains to be seen also have some new reporting. and this is also very significant about major us concerns right now over a potential war between israel and the iranian-backed hezbollah forces in south lebanon because we appear to be closer to an all-out war between those two sides. and we have been since the october 7 war began effect the idf talked about the possibility of an all-out war earlier this week, i've been speaking with senior officials as well as my colleagues have as well. they say that we are entering a very dangerous period and us officials are deeply concerned because they know that a fight with hezbollah is very different than a fight with hamas has bulla is much more formidable. they have many thousands more men and they have a vast arsenal of short and long-range missiles that can reach deep inside israel. they have drones, they have precision weapons that could thwart and overcome israel's air defenses. we know that israel's air defenses the iron dome that we talked about all the time, they are vulnerable to those, to those hezbollah

systems and missiles the us is now pushing for a diplomatic resolution. there's a deal that they believe could work if the war in gaza were to end. >> well, as ball has a lot more weapons, missiles, rockets in south lebanon, then hamas has in gaza. so this could be a very, very serious situation. shouldn't do, alex. thank you very much coming up a brewing court battle with major implications for the separation of church and state over what del louisiana's governors it's mandating be put inside every classroom in the state they are unpredictable sleeping giants, everyone okay. >> kano has its own personality. i do. if we don't understand them, they are windows into part of our planet. >> lives will be lost, violent, earth would lead us schreiber? sunday at nine on cnn cities, industry-leading global payment

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public schools are now required to display the ten commandments in all classrooms. >> a first in the nation republican governor jeff landry, calling it one of his favorite bills before signing it into law. >> this is one of the bills i got the press over year because if you want, to respect the rule of law, you gotta start from the original law given which was moses, the new law requiring a poster-size display of the commandments by the sort of 2025. and every school that receives state funding from kindergarten through university level with the commandments as the central focus in large easily readable font. >> the law also specifies the exact abbreviated language that must be printed on classroom displays, which will be paid for through donations. and what a great day it is louisiana, it's like hello, the air everywhere. >> state representative dodie horton, the republican author of the bill, dismissing concerns from democratic opponents insisting the

commandments are rooted in legal history, and that the bill would return a moral code to classrooms but critics argue mandating the religious texts be displayed in schools would violate the establishment clause of the us constitution, which says that congress can make no law respecting an establishment bushmen of religion. >> i was raised to follow the ten commandments and i think regardless of how you feel about the ten commandments nobody would dismiss the fact that they are pretty good set of rules, however it is a clear violation of separation of church and state to enforce this. another louisiana educator fiercely against the new law says, she teaches students of all faiths i'm very opposed to it. and it's not anything to do with disliking religion. >> it's just that there are different religions that exist in our communities. i've taught jehovah's witnesses i've

taught muslim students. i have really great muslim teacher friends who are going to now have to display christianity as the excepted or promoted religion in our state, for civil liberties groups, including the aclu, wout to sue, saying public schools are not sunday schools in a joint statement, the groups argued the new law will turn students into a captive audience. for school-sponsored religious messages. >> you may have heard the saying goes the south, so goes the nation. i want folks to pay very close attention to what this governor is doing. i think if he is in fact successful, you will see this kind of religious indoctrination happening across the american south hey, you might remember this, this upcoming court fight comes nearly 23 years after similar controversy in neighboring alabama. that is when ray moore, then chief justice of the state supreme court, and installed a 5,000

pound granite block other commandments in the rotunda of the state supreme court building that was a move that ultimately led to his removal. as the state's highest judge will if i just interviewed more over the phone and he told me he welcomes this new louisiana law and he hopes that other states catch on, and that is precisely the reason louisiana becoming a blueprint for other states it's that has critics of this new law. so their concern and certainly in keeping a very close watch on the court's wolf, isabel results. thank you very much for that report and just ahead, a live report from new mexico where new rainfall is bringing relief and creating headaches for firefighters trying to contain two very deadly wildfires the most anticipated moment of this lecture and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash to cnn presidential debate. next

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that the rain that came as slowed the spread of this fire. so that is welcome news and that the firefighters will say they'd been focused on the areas in the edges of the wildfire that are closest to the holmes and vital infrastructure der, their here in the ria dosa area. >> and when will residents be able to start returning to their homes and see what they lost we don't really know exactly when that's going to happen. >> and local officials who you're having given any indication as to when that could happen? mostly because the fire is still remain at zero pro per 4% contained. it's still quite extensive the areas that are affected by all of this. there is a community virtual meeting where people will be able to ask questions or hear from a local official. so i imagined that that topic would come up because right now will have access into the rio dosa area and the rio decile downs area is completely cut off by law enforcement roadblocks, and 11 deir on the scene for frehse, stay safe over there. thank you very much. coming up. >> new video as the trial of

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smiles nervously from inside a cage in a russian courtroom. this is 30 three-year-old kosinski, karelina, a russian american dual citizen and amateur ballerina from los angeles. one of vladimir putin is growing slate of high profile americans in custody karelina's trial in the city of yekaterinburg began today. she's accused of treason by fundraising for ukraine's military. >> well, let's put trial in quotation marks because it is nothing but a sham. >> karelina's employer says, all she did was allegedly donate $51.80 to a ukrainian charity in the us how would russian intelligence know if she donated less than $52 to a charity? >> this person has not only russian citizenship, but also has friends and family back in russia they're able to monitor your email activity, telephone activity, all the different powers that any state has to basically conduct espionage on their own citizens or whoever they like karelina's employer, a spot in beverly hills said karelina had been quote,

wrongly accused, and that she was in russia to visit her 90-year-old grandmother, her parents and younger sister, her boyfriend said this to cnn in february. she is so proud to be russian and she, she doesn't watch the news. she doesn't intervene with anything about the war karelina faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted, her trial, which will be held behind closed doors, will be presided over by the same judge who will soon handle the trial of another american wall street journal reporter, evan gershkovich, according to russian state media, the records for this judges he puts people away unjustly. gershkovich is accused by the kremlin of espionage. he and former us marine paul whelan, who's been held in russia for more than five years on espionage charges have been declared as wrongfully tamed by the state department, which again warned americans today not to travel to russia for any reason, you running tremendous risk by traveling to russia of being detained, being

imprisoned? being convicted us army soldier, sergeant gordon black has just been sentenced to nearly four years in a penal colony and russia for theft and threatening to murder a woman. russian media says he did not admit to the threat charges, but partially admitted to theft why does putin seemed intent on accumulating american prisoners if he has a whole cohort of americans that are being held, that's going to put a lot of pressure continued pressure on the american government to come up with some kind of deal now the problem with the us trying to bargain with vladimir putin for the release of cosine karelina, evan gershkovich, paul whelan, or gordon black is that the us really does not have any high level russian spies in its customers city and has had to approach other countries around the world to see if they can help package someone in a trade. >> one russian who vladimir putin really wants back. vadim krasikov, a former colonel in russia's intelligence services. he is serving a life sentence in germany for murdering a former chechen fighter. there wolf, i believe,

and correct me if i'm wrong, brian, that the us had hoped that more americans would get out of russia would be freed released at the time when brittney griner was released, they really did hope that wolf brittney griner was released just before christmas of 2020? two, she had served several months in that russian prison because of what the us gave up to get her. they had hoped at least to get paul whelan back with her, but the russians refused to give whelan up. the us gave up victor boot. >> he was a notorious arms dealer, a very violent man with american blood and a lot of other blood on his hands. >> he been serving time and a federal penitentiary once the united states gave up victor boot, they got griner back. they wanted paul whelan back. they did not get whelan back now, the us doesn't really have, as we pointed out, a lot of other russians, really any other high-value russians. and it's custody to get these four americans out is going to be extremely difficult. very, difficult indeed, brian time. thank you very much. i will blitzer in the situation room. thanks very much for watching