both agree to reduce their nuclear stockpiles and diminish the threat that has paralyze them for decades if there was anything that gorbachev era really produced was the opportunity for people to develop relationships with each other at the end of the de we're going to look back at this period and say, we took a lot of risks and we were lucky as a matter of fact, most people today hey, who had anything to do with that part of the world would say, it's just a miracle. >> we got through the cold war without some terrible incident taking place so, don't miss the finale of secrets and spies and nuclear game this sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern am pacific right ear on cnn. >> thanks for joining us. cnn news night with abby phillip, start parts right now. have a great weekend the mag world may lay over who should be donald

trump's running mate. >> that's hi, on newsmax good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york tonight. family, friends, and maga country mineral playing the ponies, except the horses are men, three men. new cnn reporting shows the constant cajoling and lobbying and pleading from people in donald trump's orbit to pick their guy to run alongside trump atop the ticket the shortlist is seemingly shorter now, marco rubio, jd vance, and doug burgum they are all reportedly at the top of the list of trump's choices to tap. now, that doesn't mean that the others are ruled out, including tim scott elise, stefanik, byron donalds ben carson, who will join me later on this show. all of them, cnn is told have received some level of vetting paperwork and the vip stakes power rankings are in constant flux according

to our sources why? well, it depends on trump's mood of course, and it depends on how trump thinks everyone in his vp casten call is performing on television. they're standing really depends on the day who he speaks with and who he sees on tv let's bring in cnn's senior data reporter, harry enten. harry so ragas through it. we've got three contenders. what are the pros and cons of each of them? >> yeah, we'll walk you through the three of them will start off with marco rubio from the state of florida. all right. what are the pros from marco rubio? well, we know that trump wants to outreach. he's doing better with hispanic voters marco rubio could help with that. how about foreign policy? gop marco rubio can help with that as well. donald trump, of course, the businessman, not necessarily known for his foreign policy chops. marco rubio can help there. what are the cons? so if marco rubio well, she lives in florida, trump's home state, so you know, you can't have a vp in a press being from the same state, so he'd have to quit the

senate. maybe try and move somebody somebody somewhere else. so that's a whole issue. and of course there's his 2016 failed presidential bid. we're of course, he and trump went after each other quite often. so there are pros and cons with marco rubio. how about doug burgum, khuza'a course governor from north dakota. well, what are the pros? well, he is no drama. i mean there's not really a whole heck of a lot you could kinda throw onto doug burgum more than that donald trump not exactly known as being establishment friendly. well doug burgum, it's pretty well-liked by the establishment, specifically, the business has establishment. what are the cons for doug burgum? well, first off, who is doug burgum? most folks have no real no idea who he is. he wouldn't exactly be an exciting pick for the base. and of course, he failed in his own president, presidential bit earlier this year. so it doesn't exactly have that great of an electoral track record nationally speaking. finally, let's go to the state of ohio and jd vance. all right? pros well, he is a populist, just like donald

trump. i think he could really excite the populist base of the republican party. also, if you're looking for someone who might play decently well in swing states like pennsylvania and michigan. well, ohio, if you know your map is pretty close to both of those how about the cons? well, he's untested nationally. who knows how to actually do when the lights are shined upon him. and finally, there's 2016 opposition to trump. he was very much against trump. be very interesting to see some of those types plate, if in fact he was chosen abbott yeah, actually pretty wide range there among those three that he's picking from harry. thank you. as always thanks for more on this. i want to bring in michael smerconish, the host of smerconish right here on cnn. >> michael good to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you abby. >> so looking at these top three contenders right now, which candidate do you think actually brings the most to a trump presidential ticket? >> i don't know that any of the three or particular standouts i think that trump's criteria have changed since

2016. i think then he needed to balance his lack of governance and mike pence became a natural type of selection. he also wanted someone who had a a more steady demeanor, actually, that would describe a lot of folks this time around because he served as president. i don't think that he needs someone with governmental experience. i just think that he needs someone who gives him an edge. somebody is going to bring something to the table because if all of these poles are accurate, it's a game of inches. and the question becomes, who can deliver some votes? >> so there's not bad by michael la rosa, his to work for the biden administration he said in the new york times that he believes that senator rubio actually poses the biggest threat to biden perhaps because of what you're alluding to. the draw of latino voters in swing states potentially if you were working in the biden campaign, would you agree with that dude, you see rubio as more of a concern, perhaps in some of the others, doug burgum or jd vance i'd be concerned

about marco rubio for that reason because i think that the latino vote is a critical constituency. i would also be concerned about some of the african african-american potential selections. tim scott, for example, not so much ben carson because if the polls are accurate, abbe and if currently donald trump is getting somewhere between 18 and 22% of the vote, that would be a huge setback for the biden campaign. i think it explains why tomorrow president trump, former president trump is coming to philadelphia and do eat event at temple university. that's north philadelphia. that's the heart of the african american community because i think he really is trying to make this play. >> so do you think that rubio, though, he's kinda thought of as a bit of an institutionalist in the senate. he's the vice chair of the intelligence committee. what didn't go along with some of the more outlandish things that trump personally wants to pursue. and then also this project 2025

plan that's been put together by outside allies of trump's, that aims to upend the federal government. and effectively weaponize it he's very conservative. you know what he's and he's been in the senate for awhile and he has a track record that's going to please that base. is it necessarily going to swing independence? probably not democrats. what's interesting to me is that politically speaking with donald trump, you're not dead until you're really gone because each one of these three, and in particular, you'll remember, of course, marco rubio, all the things that were said between them it got vicious, right? when they were opponents on that stage back in 2016. and yet, donald trump, i guess, in the end, very transactional, very much forgive and forget if it suits him but what would mark a rubio go along with it. i think that's what i'm wondering is would rubio be the one to say shore donald trump like let's go after your political enemies. if he is finds himself

in the white house as trump's vice president know why i don't think that he would to be specific and answer your question. >> i think that he would be more mike pence like, i mean, in the end, vice president pence didn't do what trump was asking on that critical day in january of 2021. and if marco rubio were in similar position in the facts were otherwise the same. i think he'd probably be the same way that pence had been which might be pretty big problem for donald trump considering that seems to be for donald trump, a litmus test yeah, sure. absolutely. michael smerconish. great to see you. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you, abby. >> and you can catch michael show tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. eastern time right here on cnn also tonight, conservatives are resurrecting one of history's villains as a victim, just take a listen to former trump official and thought personality, monica crowley at the faith and freedom coalition conference she was defending

joseph mccarthy senator joe mccarthy was right. >> and he was trying to ring the bell in the 19 about communists infiltration in our government. and the same deep state that is now going after donald trump. the same deepstate that removed richard nixon, the same deepstate that went after ronald reagan and anybody else who stood up to them that deep state became very insidious. and in the 19 smeared and attack jim the carthy for speaking the truth about godless communism in very halls of our government i'll let my next guess get into the history, the real history of mccarthyism, but it is worth noting mccarthy's chief counsel was a man by the name of roy cohn. >> roy cohn? it was also donald trump's mentor. let's bring in cnn contributor leah wright rigueur. she's also an associate professor of history at johns hopkins university. leah mccarthy, first of all, i

thought we had settled this about mccarthyism. that wade, we actually have had decided that mccarthyism some was both unsuccessful and also a shameful chapter in american history she is monica crowley now saying that he was right you know, what's really fascinating about this is that there's a long list of people that monica crowley mentioned as she's defending and championing jerome mccarthy and all of the people that she mentioned for part of the insistence that joe mccarthy was in fact a very bad person and mccarthyism was deeply bad and hurtful and harmful for the country. >> and in fact, i think one of the things that's really interesting to point out is that mccarthyism isn't just attacked by the left. certainly of course, i think the left during the 1950s and well into the 1960s, saw mccarthyism is something that was let's deeply judgment, full, harb, ball destroyed people's lives. there was senators who committed suicide over this, but it was also the right ronald reagan says in the 1980s

that mccarthy, joseph mccarthy he's cause actually undermines the anti-communist cause around the world that it's bad for democracy. so to see the revival of this and to see it casts and a light win for the past 60, some odd years, there has been pretty much consensus than mccarthyism was not a great not a great thing. and joseph mccarthy was really a rabid kind of idea log is deeply concerning, is very bizarre, but perhaps not out of the blue. i mean, she talks about godless communism in her speech today back in the 50s, mccarthy, he argued that a communistic eighth he is was in at war with christianity. now you've got a lot of people. she's speaking at the faith and freedom conference today, a lot of people who want to establish the united states as an explicitly christian country. is there? is just a part two. we're trying to rewrite that redo that chapter of american history. >> well, i think it's part of a

larger attempt to really rewrite the ideas of what america is rooted in. what it would mean to be a christian nation. it is part of a larger movement and trend that we've seen over what's couple of years towards christian nationalism, that presidents actually hips historically been very successful at mobilizing and rallying around. there's a reason that it's not just joseph mccarthy who gets a shout out in monica crowley speed it's, it's also richard nixon who donald trump saw himself as being mentored by in a way, right? but what's really fascinating about richard nixon is even as he holds an enormous amount of disdain for the very religious kind of groups but he cultivates, he also works with people like billy graham, evangelical churches. >> and this kind of christian, this budding christian right? in order to, in order to really expand executive power and to get away with essentially undermining democracy proceed. so i don't think it's that strange that as we are seeing the re-emergence of christian nationalism as an effort that

is tied explicitly to donald trump that we're also seeing a rewriting of history in an attempt to really harness people that have done this before. yeah, and newsflash to monica crowley. it was not the deep state that denounce joseph mccarthy or richard nixon. it was actually bipartisan lawmakers, both parties denounced are both of those, men and their actions, a lyric rigueur. thank you. as always for being here. and up next, i'll read you some of the vile threats against donald trump's prosecutors as they fight to extend the gag order against him, plus ben carson is one i've trump's vice presidential contenders and who joins me on why he supports states forcing schools to post the ten commandments in their classrooms. and y are some conservatives trying to cancel dolly parton this is newsnight thursday night my for midland. >> the most anticipated moment of this election, biden doctor, on america isn't future

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few days later. another note just wanted to say, i can't wait to watch you swinging from the rope in your military tribunal, you better get on your knees and pray to jesus christ. you're going to find your maker soon in april of 2023. when you're fat f-word da is more interested in a witch-hunt on president trump than prosecuting crime and your whole city. it's time to get rid of both of you you and word. the next day. alvin bragg is nothing but a racist and word. and it's not just verbal or written threats. in march of last year, the office was sent a letter with a white powder and a threatening note the next month, more white powder but this time with pictures of bragg and trump and the words, you will be sorry. it was around this time that a trump supporter in utah posted on truth social heading to new york to fulfill my dream of eradicating another of george soros two bit political hack da's i want to stand over

bragg and put a nice hole in his forehead with my nine millimeter and watch him twitch as drops of blood ooze from the hole as his life ebbs away to hell a few months later, that man was killed by fbi agents while attempting to arrest him for threats against president biden just ahead of biden's trip to his state on the first day of the trial, just two months ago, there was a bomb threat to the homes of two people involved in this case joining me now are former counsel to president trump during the first impeachment, robert gray, also with us civil and criminal attorney dante mills robert attorneys for president trump, want or i'm sorry, their attorneys for president trump want this gag order to go away but the prosecutors are making the case threats are still active even though the case is over and pending sentencing, do they have a point? >> the case isn't over until the sentencing is heard and

sentences imposed, and then presumably, president trump's lawyers will file a notice of appeal at which point the the trial court will be divested of jurisdiction. i have absolutely no problem frankly, with the prosecutors real concern about safety and look, there are wing nuts out there in the period of time between now and when the the trial court's role in this case ends. i don't think it's worth taking the chance that anybody could do harm to any of the court personnel. the judge's staff. >> most importantly, the judge and certainly the district attorney and his staff we've we've we've all been there. >> this is this is the probably going to be i mean, in addition to the trial, this is probably the second most pointed pitched battle that will occur here about what the sentence will be

i think my view of that is better safe than sorry. and so any gag order that would help lend itself to calming the temperature here and getting us safely through this proceeding because people might think is the right course. they may think their actions will make a difference so when the sentencing coming up, they may act thinking, if i do this in the sentencing will be different and let me be have absolutely no i have no toleration for this lesson. >> we went through my we're not going to put up with this. >> my firm went through this situation. we had a very high profile case. both my partner linen edwards and i in our firm started getting calls and they were actual threats. we had to bring in a us marshals. we had not only our safety, but we had to talk to our staff and say, when you get a call, someone saying, i'm going to kill you, just hang up the phone because their mental state is impacted. so this has a huge effect and i had the same situation as well as pen and counsel had for a period of time, marshals protection with regards to things that happen in just a day-to-day thing and a

high-profile case, it gets heated. i understand that people are entitled to the reviews. they're not entitled to fly off the rails and the wing nut stuff's got to stop. i want to or is actually somewhat related to this so down in florida, there was a pretty important hearing, partly because just having a hearing in that case of the documents trial is is a novelty because there have not been many, but it's about whether or not jack smith is actually allowed to be the special counsel in this case what do you think of the argument that is being made here that merrick garland shouldn't have or couldn't have appointed him i think it has more credibility than apparently the mainstream media seems to thank i mean, it depends on what your view is about whether or not i don't want to talk legal shop here, but it goes back to morrison versus olsen, which is the case that decided the constitutionality of the independent council statute. >> it was decided in 19 at eight, the supreme court found seven to one, that the

independent council statute was constitutional, that an independent counsel was not a principal officer of the united states, but was instead an inferior officer. therefore, did not require that the independent council be appointed by the president with the the advice and consent of the senate. a similar argument is being made. now, now the law of the land is morrison versus olson, and we're in a lot of lamor were in a regulatory regime as opposed to a statutory resume, which are the special counsel regulations. but there are a lot of people, many conservatives, and including myself who think that justice scalia had it right all along and that the independent council statute is but if you're is. in fact unconstitutional, just to be clear, you were a part of that independent counsel office, correct? in the 19th, i was i was i was appointed pursuant to that statute, so it's a little weird to be arguing that the status it was unconstitutional. >> but justice scalia was the sole dissenter in that case. and the legal community, not just conservatives, have with the benefit of experience. i

think come around to the conclusion that justice scalia may well have been right? >> clarity here judge aileen cannon is it seems litigating that issue in her courthouse in florida y and not only is she lived at issue, she's inviting outside people to come in and add to the argument when it's well as it's well-documented his case has been determined to be the law of the land. and what we see is after that case, what the special counsel's office has done is they've changed the way they operate. so now they make sure that they oversee special counsel. so now it's no question. so why is the judge wasting time on figuring out an answer to something that's already been answered. >> so wondered so in that hearing, she was also quizzing the prosecutors about how much the attorney general was involved in the case. i mean, there is oversight in terms of the org chart. right? essentially, but there is one i think those questions, yet true. she why she because down

on because gets to the question of whether or not jack smith really is an inferior officer of the united states, which the supreme court held in morrison was the only way that you could have a functioning independent counsel statute and special counsel statute that would survive constitutional muster if if on the other hand, a special counsel has such power in the executive branch that that person should be appointed by the president with the advice and consent of the senate. >> and more importantly, that the constitution requires that then you're dealing with an unconstitutional but if you have a situation, it's appropriate for the it's appropriate for the defendant to challenge that at this stage is like a little bit of a trap here, because what the trump folks are arguing is that this is a political prosecution that merrick garland is pulling the strings of joe biden. and so if they answered that question and say we are supervised by merrick garland, it then it's a double argument to say what

they're saying what they're saying is have it both ways is the problem. so they're saying merrick garland overseas this and he's politically debate it because joe biden is pulling his strings. so special counsel is politically motivated. now, they're arguing that special counsel has no body overseeing them therefore, he should have been confirmed through the senate. you can't have it both ways, but the judge entertaining it, that's that's good. i just saw your original why why are we entertaining this? >> legitimate question? i think it's appropriate for the defendant to make that argument preserve that issue. i would think that the judge would probably be well advised to say, look, i'm a trial judge. i don't have discretion to decide what the law is. the supreme court, i may or may not agree with with the supreme court decision or marson, but i am bound to follow it. and therefore, i am going to have to do and he's not on it and nothing is no, no, yeah. in this, case. except we don't you're having full day's worth of here? screens where you're bringing out outside pupil to argue on an, on an issue that's already been decided that's what she chose to

litigate. >> it hasn't and hasn't been decided so far as it can spread, in special counsel it is not something that as you just pointed out, she doesn't really she doesn't really have the authority to decide this issue. no. i think her decision probably should be look, i'm bound by the supreme court's whatever you may think of it. i'm bound by the supreme court's decision on what the hearing to get to that point because you because you may down by a different here because it wouldn't be the first time judges was well, make a record so that when the court of appeals considers this and ultimately the supreme court to have something to say about it, by the way, this issue i think has been preserved in the immunity case before the dc circuit, which is now before the supreme court and which will be decided in all likelihood next week. and i imagine that issue may well i'll be addressing that opinion to it. everybody and rubber dre, dante mel's. thank you very much. we'll be back with you. i'm sure next week at some white next conservatives at the faith and freedom forum, pretty explicit in their desire for a christian nation. i'll speak with one of donald trump's vice presidential contenders, ben carson, about his rationale for having the ten commandments

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>> we ought to take the pride flag out of schools and put the bible back in this, of course, comes as louisiana now requires the ten commandments to be posted inside of every public classroom. >> i moved that trump himself says that he supports joining me now, dr. ben carson, he served as housing secretary under donald trump. dr. carsten, thank you for joining us tonight thanks for having me happy. so you've said that you back louisiana's new law that requires that the ten commandments are posted in public school classrooms. i wonder, would you favor a federal law requiring the same thing? >> well the ten commandments is the basis of civilization and there's absolutely nothing wrong with teaching kids morals and values i don't think that anybody could come up with a reason why we shouldn't teach children not to still, not to

kill, not to envy not to lie, to respect their parents. these are all good things. these are things from which civilized society, it depends well, dr. carson, i mean, you're describing it as the basis of civilization, but what it actually is is a part of your faith, which is a perfectly fine. >> i was raised as a christian as well. i understand that. and in this country though, there is such a thing as the separation of church and state. i think that's the main reason why people would suppose it being put up or forced to be put up in public schools well separation of church and state does not appear in the constitution and the whole concept to arose when jefferson was trying to assure the local churches that the government would not be trying to control them, nor did they went to church is trying to control the government. >> but do recognize that the first amendment says do you don't want to prohibit the

free exercise of religion. >> it also says, it also says dr. carson, congress shall not shall make no law respecting the establishment or of religion. the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof so that's the part i think that people are referring to before you continue, there have been a couple of court cases that have addressed this in different ways one of them dealt with the reading of the bible in public schools. another one dealt with almost exactly this issue which is putting up the ten commandments in schools in kentucky. the supreme court ruled against both of those instances of religious teachings being brought into the classroom. were those cases wrongly decided? >> well is it religious teaching to know about our founding document, the declaration of independence, which says that our rights come from our creator, known as god

is it establishment of religion? when you go to the store and you buy samsung, whether dollar bill that says in god we trust i think we can get into a point where we're parsing things to carefully and we are making like the override all the counter argument to both of those examples, dr. carson, i mean, first of all, on the declaration of independence, that was a document that was, as it says a declaration of independence from britain, the constitution, which actually establishes the united states government, doesn't mention god it doesn't mention any particular religion at all. >> and in god, we trust is also an artifact really of modernity in the post-civil war era. that's when it came a part of the coinage in the 1950s. that's when it became something that was on the dollar bill i think that i guess my point is dr. carson, a lot of people would and do

disagree with you that the idea that the founding fathers believed that the government should be putting, its thumb on the scale for any particular religion versus saying to whoever has a religion, they can exercise that however they want but are you saying that the ten commandments are aly religion? i'm saying that the ten commandments comes from your religious belief in the christian bible. i mean, would you be comfortable, for example, what are you saying? would you be comfortable, for example, with a public school hanging the five pillars of islam in a classroom i wouldn't have any problem with that if that's what the people want, it so i wonder would you, you've called the separation of god from the public square as a form of schizophrenia i am curious about what you mean by that.

>> considering that as we've been discussing, i can tell you. yeah, i'll i'll but as we've been discussing the founding fathers deliberately made no mention of god in the constitution what i meant is if our founding document talks about our rights coming from god. if our pledge allegiance since that we are one nation under god if many courtrooms on the wall, it says in god we trust. if every coin in our pocket and bill narwhal it says and got me trust. but we say we're not supposed to talk about it. that's a form of schizophrenia do you acknowledge though that there's a difference between let's say let's, let's take all those examples just at face value there are a lot of people who believe in god, who are not christian. >> dr. carson the ten commandments is a part of a particular type of religion. don't you see a distinction between those things? >> well, the ten commandments

says nothing about christ that's it it doesn't need to. >> the question is, where does it come from? well, it comes from the christian. if it doesn't, it's a code it's, a code of conduct. says nothing about jesus christ so speaking of code of conduct, donald trump the former president, he said last night that he loves the ten commandments. >> he says that he loves that they are in public schools then that he urges people to read them he's holding it up as a moral code just as you have as well. but it also seems to be a moral code that he doesn't follow. he doesn't even try to follow does that seem right to you i wonder, doesn't seem right people put up codes, i was talking to a young lady a few weeks ago and she said in her school, they're having cried day and everybody must

agree with it. >> and you can be expelled if you say something contrary to it, or if you don't use the proper pronoun, i wonder if that's kinda totalitarian attitude to take well, i mean, i don't even want to get into the pride issue because i think that's a separate topic. >> the question was about the same. >> it's the same kind of issue that isn't it. >> well, where are there laws that are forcing people to put up i don't know. i guess pride codes of conduct they were they were forcing there were forcing the kids to comply with that particular who they believe in it or not. >> and i said, what if you don't believe in it and she's says, you got to keep your mouth shut. >> but who who are you have to keep them. >> are you talking about the government 12-year-old than i was talking no. >> talk to at 12. that was what was going on at her school

okay. >> i i'm not sure what you're referring to, but it seems like there's a difference between that and the entire state saying we need to put up, we are going to force the classrooms and teachers to put up a tenant of a particular religion up on the walls but just as a point of curiosity. i would agree. i would agree with you. i would agree with you if you can tell me what is wrong without sunak killed also not still, also not lie. thousand and there's absolutely explain to me what's wrong with various absolutely. nothing wrong with those things. >> so why would we want to teach our children those things? i think the issue at hand is illegal. one, it's about whether or not the government can be in the business of telling public schools but they have to put up those words that is

objectionable as they may be come from a particular religion that's the question and i'm saying that those are codes of conduct that have universal application. do you know you can go to the darkest jungle, or borneo and then you see a thief what does he do? he waits till night time and nobody can see that means he knows it's wrong. that's a universal code of conduct. >> have you, for example, ever seen the ten commandments up at any trump properties i haven't specifically seen and i don't know if they're there or not shouldn't they b. >> i. wouldn't object to them being there. i don't object to them not being there but i'm saying if if there's such a universal you know tenants, why are they not up where, you know, former president trump

controls? >> what happens? i mean, he owns those properties, he operates them he could put them up. shouldn't they be up? >> or this is this is not about president trump. this is about what is happening to the moral fiber of our nation. this is happening because people no longer respect other people and these are rules of conduct that can help people that start understanding that we have an obligation to treat our fellow man and a certain way when we want again to, that at a young age, it makes a big difference. >> i think that's great. actually, we do want to teach people values, but i think what people object to is the idea that those values come from any particular one, religion. for example there are parts of the world where they don't do not believe in the ten commandments as a text, as a historical tax, as religious taxed, are those

places not civilized? are those places not teaching? values well, if the people of the state of louisiana don't believe in it, they can do something about that kind of thing. one last thing before we let you go, dr. carson down the vice presidential search have you received that vetting paperwork that we are being told are being given to the candidates to be considered as donald trump's vice presidential nominee. >> certainly there's been communication so yes, you have received the paperwork i haven't filled out any paperwork myself, but you know, life staff and the trump's staff have been in communication. >> okay. and have you met with president trump specifically about being the potential to be his vice president no i have

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with over 100 million records sold she has been the switzerland of public figures beloved by the left and the right, alike. but a few weeks ago, conservative outlet labeled part and support of the lgbtq community false gospel the backlash was swift against pardon and the author actually had to apologize for her comments because of how harsh it got. my guess tonight argues that if we lost dali to the partisan pitchforks our nation is closer to civil war than perhaps ever before. joining me now is allison hope she's the writer and civil rights advocate, alison. can you imagine that dali would suddenly be the person that the right is going after of all people we have, we have crossed a line, abbe. it is, it is a sad day in american history when we've come for something as american, as apple pie or baseball, dolly parton is the queen of country. she's been around for decades. she has been neutral. she is all about

love i'm bringing people together and it is, it is a sad day. >> what makes us different from all the other controversies that we've seen around, like musicians and who's speaking out, who gets to speak out and who doesn't get to speak out? >> yeah. we're operating on such ideological opposing leinz and dolly parton for seven decades has remained neutral. she really has been switzerland and she has spoken and preached love. she comes from a very christian background and a very christian bible belt location geographically. but her audiences have been very split along both sides of the aisle. and so she's unique in that a lot of artists have chosen sides, so to speak, just like so many americans have and she has somehow been the unicorn that has maintained her line in the middle. >> i guess the argument that the her detractors were making is that i guess preaching love for lgbtq people is not neutral. but what's interesting

is that the person who wrote this had to apologize. i just kinda goes to show how much cultural cache dali has absolutely, absolutely. >> i'd say it goes both ways because it shows a little bit of a breaking point for america to see someone who has been able to ride that line and who has worked so hard not to alienate audiences get attacked in the way that dolly parton did. and i think the author and seeing the vitriolic reaction that was so ferocious and so quick with so much volume realized the power of her words are really the weaponizing of her words and that was not her intention. so i actually give credit to eric anderson to the writer who wrote the original post however misguided, she may have been, and in some of her anti-lgbtq posturing, but to come out and to try to calm the wave of armchair activists against dolly parton was

admirable. >> that's a fair point. i sometimes apologizing and walking back, something that you did is it's just such a rarity now, in today's society, allison hope thank you very much for coming in and joining us tonight. >> thank you so much. iv and we've got some breaking news tonight. >> a new update on when the stranded nasa astronauts may be able to finally return home to earth that's thursday night, life for midland. the most anticipated moment of this election. >> biden qur'an run get america different future because that so we are a nation of possibility. >> trump. >> we had the best economy, we had the best border, we had the best of everyday, but now we get to do it all over pretty good. we're gonna do it even better two very different visions for america. >> one unprecedented night moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday night but it now live on cnn and streaming and max. >> why choose asleep numbers, smart bad? can it keep me warm when i'm cold weight, know,

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