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direct redefining insurance the cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming and backs sqre. welcome to all of you ic in the united states and around the world i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from london today on the show ols predict that britain's labour party will win big in next month's election after being out of powerful 14 years if that happens, my guests, david lemmy is likely to become the country's foreign secretary. i'll ask him what britain would do differently. and ukraine and the middle east, and how he would deal with a potential president trump. you have called him woman hating neo-nazi sympathizing cyclin it's going to be an awkward meeting in the light across the channel france will hold elections even sooner. it's one
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of the most dangerous we're live ago. gambles in recent memory. played by president emmanuel macron i'll ask the economists, paris bureau chiefs, sophie better whether it can work and a sneak peek at america's mess with mexico my new primetime special but first here's my take in june 2016, the brexit referendum alerted us all to the rising power of populism and signal that donald trump had a real chance of winning visiting britain, now, on the eve of its general election, i felt like god another glimpse of where politics might be headed in advanced democracies democrats facing or, resurgent donald trump. this false should pay close attention no matter what poll you look at the ruling conservative party appears headed for a catastrophic defeat one bowl in particular has captured everyone's attention conducted by savannah
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for the telegraph, it predicts that labor will beat the conservatives, also known as the tories, by 21 points. a statistical model from savannah and another firm, electoral calculus translates these numbers into parliamentary seats based on polling a ternary estimates projecting that labor will win over 500 seats out of 650 in the house of commons. and the conservatives will get barely 50 that would amount to the fuel seats won by the conservative party since its founding in 18, 34 according to these projections most of britain's senior most cabinet ministers would lose in their own constituencies, including rishi sunak, who could become the first sitting prime minister to be so humiliated did i should caution that other models relying on different data don't expect the results to be this bad for the conservatives. but they still forecast a crushing defeat this fall from grace is particularly
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stunning because in the last british elections and 2019, the tories gained a majority of 300 365. the largest since the margaret thatcher years. and labor had its worst night at the polls since 1935 what explains the conservative tobacco rory stewart, the tory politician, and author of a brilliant memoir, how not to be a politician, argues that over the last decade, the conservative party lost one of its most treasured attributes seriousness. he told me the labour party has usually been seen as well, meaning with it's hard in the right place. but factless rash and often in competent, the tories were seen as tough, even heartless, but a shortly competent that reputation has been trashed by the chaos of boris johnson. theresa may at all but it's more than just in competence. the conservatives face a problem that afflicts the right almost everywhere what do they stand for? since 2010, the
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tories presented themselves under david cameron as the party of traditional fiscal conservatism which meant austerity. then they pivoted to trump's style populism on the boris johnson and then to saturate free market ideology under liz truss recently, the populist hard-right reform uk, a party led by nigel farage has been climbing in the polls and dividing the conservative vote, which might give labor and even larger parliamentary majority, then it would already have gotten as i've argued before, politics is moving away from the left-right divide over economics to an open-closed one centered on cultural issues like immigration, identity, and multiculturalism as the jury is remain internally divided on these issues reform presents itself squarely as advocating for more closed britain assuming that the tour is do suffer humiliating defeat. it's conceivable that nigel farage will find a way to take
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over the conservative party and make it thoroughly populist as trump has done. and with the republicans the right in britain is divided. unlike republican unity around trump. so the real lesson may be for the american left in britain, many see the selection has a negative vote against the conservative government. rather than an affirmative vote for the labour leader, keir starmer he's not a thrilling charismatic leader. he has a lower approval rating than tony blair had when he won big in 1997. but starmer has been a brilliant strategist in his positioning of the labour party frazier nelson, the editor of the spectator, legendary tory publication, said to me, the best argument and starmer's favor is that he would handle the country as strategically and effectively as he has handled the labour party. rory stewart pointed out that by occupying the center starmer has forced the conservatives further right? >> whether a few votes starmer
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took over the party from jeremy corbyn of hard left ideologues who faced numerous accusations of antisemitism, which he denied starmer purge the party of radicals issued any hint of a woke agenda and has kept labor formally trained on the center ground of economic growth and better government services labor is mostly accepted. >> the budget cuts proposed by the current conservative government and is planning no major new taxes starmer has ruled out a return to the european union probably because he knows that any prospect of open migration from the continent we'll see the crucial issue of immigration to the right. in fact, in his televised debate with rishi sunak, he attacked the tories on immigration from the right, accusing sunak of being quote, the most liberal prime minister we've ever had on immigration unquote to me the lesson from britain is for the left to win. it must take out the center ground. ensure especially that
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it cannot be outflank run immigration. and steer clear of overly ideological vogue politics that alienates many average voters it is not a strategy that wins plaudits from the base but it is likely to win elections, which is more important go to cnn.com slash fareed for linked to my washington post column this week. >> and let's get started as i mentioned in my take, the labour party is poised to win britain's july 4 general election after 14 years out of power if that happens, my next guest will likely become the united kingdom's top diplomat. managing relations with europe, the united states, and the rest of the world. david lamm, me, a labour politician, is the country's current shadow foreign secretary i sat down with him earlier this week in
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london david, let me pleasure to have you on. >> thank you very much. great to be here so first give me your prognosis. >> it seems like labor is in for one of the largest victories any party has had in history. are you prepared for them? >> let me just say this is my eight general election. i have the privilege of traveling across the country look, i'm feeling like britain's about to make a change but i would say this when i knock on doors across the united kingdom because of the turmoil of the last 14 years, this last period where we've got through so many prime ministers there is a bouillon on the doorstep. there are group of voters very cynical about politics. the group of people who say they don't know is quite big and people will be making up their minds right into the voting booth and so for all of those reasons, no complacency the
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labour party is fighting for every single vote up until july the 4th when we look at britain from outside what strikes us is what seemed like a very idiosyncratic decision to pull out of the european union which has not gone very well for britain economically you and the labour party had been deeply critical of that decision. we've said was a mistake. >> it's been a catastrophe so why not take britain back into the european union? you say nothing about this during the campaign. >> look, the truth is, we had a protracted divorce it was bitter terrible things were said by boris johnson and his acolytes and it was only settled recently with the windsor framework that we struck in relation to northern ireland, with the european union in the last 18 months.
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and we're offering the european union a security pact. that is the ability to build and our relationship, particularly with war in ukraine, but also other opportunities like energy. we can work together. we want to get back to regular dialogue with the european union. so what i would say on the brexit issue is we need to win back the trust on both sides, i think. and then we need to build on the relationship that is where we are two. it's possible. couples do get back together, look, i know we absolutely clear we're not re-entering the single market or the customs union. >> those are red lines. >> why or why not the customs union. again, if this was a mistake to get out, why is it, why does it make sense to get back in? well, the truth is, if you are speaking to a european leaders they are not raising the issue of brexit and even if you were to raise that issue, they would say we'll look, is there a settled opinion here in the united kingdom? >> well, there isn't because the conservative party, the
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reform party, a significant part of the electorate, is set its face against it. so this is not a debate that can be reopened unless there were to be a groundswell of a change of view. and whilst i may have views the truth is that the conservative party is not in that position at this stage. >> do you believe that britain is able to fight a long sustained, protracted war with russia over ukraine. >> do i mean, are you thinking of it in those terms that you will do what it takes and if that means more defense spending you're going to have to do a lot more i never believed that i would sit here and my major criticism of the british conservative party is that they have reduced our armed forces to a size that we haven't seen since the napoleonic wars. that is how
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bad it is when the british labour party left office under gordon brown, we were spending 2.5% of gdp on defense our party is committed to returning to that 2.5% as soon as the fiscal climate allows, we will have a defense and strategic egypt review that will begin on day one. so we can chart a course to get to that 2.5%. and we must lead. it encouraging others to europe to get to that point. i'm pleased to see 20 nations in europe now meeting 2%, they're nato commitment but there are still those under 2% unbelievably and look, i've got to tell you, i see 2% as a floor, not a single thing over the coming years there are people who said the battle lines in ukraine are roughly where they are likely to be. that is going to be very hard for either side, to gain substantially and maybe we
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should try start trying to look for a way to negotiate and settle this so that you don't have the kind of massive bloodshed that you're going to have if the war continues, what do you say? >> look, in the end, this is in the hands of vladimir putin he has set his face against leaving ukraine we're, having this conversation as he meets with the leadership in north korea i'm hugely concerned to see north korea in shells being used in ukraine, to see iranian drones being used in ukraine this growing strategic alliance across these autocratic states, we should be very concerned about a, my view is that putin remains a systemic threat beyond the issue of ukraine and the uk government. we have been absolutely clear as the labour party that we have not been
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partisan on this issue with the conservatives were absolutely clear that we stand by ukraine and our efforts, the whole of the free world needs us to win this fight turning to the middle east you have said that world, the international criminal court, to issue a warrant for the arrest of benjamin netanyahu, britain would honor that. >> so i just want be clear what you're saying is if that arrest warrants were issued, you will foreign secretary you would arrest bibi netanyahu, where he to step on british soil let's just step back with the starting point the architecture that was created after the second world war the rules-based order that we believe so much in and you know, the international legal structure, one of the big architects of that was churchill in our country. it's
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something that has been a guiding light for the united kingdom in many years. and that's why we are signatures to the statute of rome and we believe in the icc and the icj now i've seen what the chief prosecutor has said about his desire for warrants. there is a process, a court process that will determine whether they will be granted. but we have been very clear in the labour party that we believe in the rules-based order we believe in international law. we also believe in the separation of powers very important democracy. so it is not for me as a politician dark quizzing or debating the determination that are made by senior judges, whether domestically or internationally i agree, but i have to lie with, so you will come i have to comply so with that, if an order is issued, that is an f. let us see where we get to down the line. >> but if it is, you will comply here in the uk, we will
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comply and that will be the same across europe. >> i know but the united states is not a secretary to the statue. and so there'll be a different debate in the united states about these issues. i recognize that next on gps, i'll ask david lemmy whether he could find common cause with the president donald trump? >> given his strong critiques of the former president in the past you have called him a woman hating neo-nazis, sympathizing psychopath read zakaria examines america's mess with mexico donated eight on cnn greetings happen yeah, that's not good happen huge things happened there were three. >> learn more at rnc.com my daughter is mula she is 19 months old she is a little right of sunshine one of the
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the british shadow foreign secretary, david lemmy. >> i sat down with him earlier this week in london your most important ally is the united states of america were the election to take place and it looks like there's a 50% chance donald trump would be elected president you have called him a woman hating neo-nazi sympathizing psychopath it's gonna be an awkward meeting let me just say that if i am elected foreign secretary, i don't think there will have been a foreign secretary in uk history quite as atlanta cyst as i am, i have family in the united states. >> my father died in the united states. i started at harvard in the united states i worked in the united states as a lawyer it's also the case that the nature of the uk's relationship with the united states means
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that whoever is in the white house, whoever is in number ten, the nature of our intelligence relationship are military relationship and the fact that we see the world largely through similar eyes means that that partnerships important for us, but it's also impart important for many other countries in the world it's been really important for me over many years now i have built partnerships, not just in the democratic party, but amongst republicans, but let me say it, but you've gotta be, it's going to be much harder for him to warm. do you deal come you regret saying a comma our current foreign secretary, david cameron, called donald trump as xenophobic and a massage anise, you will be hard pressed to find any politician across the globe who, in that first period where twitter particularly was high, who did not have robust things to say, but the business of our freedom
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with war here in europe and the sovereign responsibilities i have in this country, if i become foreign secretary and to the world mean that look, i'm sorry, this is way beyond twitter words this is the key partnership that the united kingdom and the us have. it goes beyond political party. and i look forward if that is the decision of the american people to change leadership in the united states to working with americans. and that is why continue to work with the republican party's on the seven trips that i have made to dc shadow phones. i do worry that donald trump will we weaken america's commitment to nato. and what would that mean for your look, i recognize it. donald trump, quite another rhetoric. it's quite noisy but i also recognize what donald trump last time delivered an office and the truth is donald trump actually opt american troops to nato and their
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presence in europe he sent the first javelins to ukraine actually because he likes a deal and he likes to get things done he's not going to want to see the united states or its partners lose any battles ahead that is the truth of it. >> and you're going to be a diplomat. so what, what are you going to say to break the ice with him given given that history? >> oh, look, i mean, what i see in donald trump is a huge personality clearly someone who knows his own mind i am known here in europe as having friends across the political divide byd. i'm not particularly partisan. i might say also, i am a christian i was discussing with i think it was j.d. vance my christian faith and the commonality
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>> i'm stephanie, il-1 and los angeles. and this is cnn last week, president macron of france called snap elections for his country's parliament. he did so after elections for the european parliament. >> so his party secure just 14.6% of the vote the far-right national rally party of marine le pen, by contrast, 131.4%, a historic vote share for her party macron said he couldn't do nothing in the wake of this defeat. he hopes this new election was stave off the far-right coming to power in 2027 when france has presidential elections but it is a risky gamble for the immediate future of french politics. macros, parties polling in a distant third place behind marine le pen's party in first, and a coalition of leftist parties and second so what could the future of french politics hold? joining me now is sophie better, the paris bureau chief of the
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economist? >> sophie, welcome so first from everything, you can tell what was the logic behind this. he does badly, his party gets trounced in the european elections, but he didn't have to hold elections for the french parliament. >> what do you think motivated him? and it appears to have been macron's decision alone yes that's right. and of course, under the french fifth republic constitutional, it is the power of the president to dissolve the national assembly when he wishes to do so. so he is using that constitutional power. it took everybody by surprise. i mean literally everybody including his own prime minister who only learned about this decision about it's an hour before it was announced and the one argument is that indeed the one you've just pointed to fareed, it's that this could in time help make the heart rate look less electable. 42027 when the presidency is at stake, not just the government and the
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parliament and the other is that he felt himself boxed into a corner. this is an alternative explanation that he would be running a minority government for two years. the president has been and that he was probably going to face a vote of no confidence in september when he's parliament voted on his budget. and that this could have forced that kind of election on him. so that macron, as you know, likes to control what he can and take the initiative when he can and the thought that this was a way of at least controlling the timing of the election and catching everyone else unawares now an interesting development is taking place, which is the old center-right party, the party of general. >> the goal seems or have split in a bizarre way where half of them want to ally with marine le pen at the other half do not have this all sorted itself out i mean, what i think were looking at is the aftershocks really going back to what happened in 2017 when emmanuel macron was elected for the
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first time? >> he really upended the party political system in france by creating this new centrist movement that crushed on the left the socialist party at the time, crushed on the right, the republicans party. those were the two parties that have dominated postwar politics and france and post-war governments and in doing so in creating this center, he has really shaken up the party political system. we're seeing the aftershocks of that now because we are seeing two blocks emerge, which are essentially lead are dominated by the extremes, the hard left and marine le pen's hard-right and the republic lecun's all that we've seen in this psychodrama of the last few days in the republicans party i think isn't a attempt to try and clarify where an earth they have a future. if they do have a future at all crushed between these big blocks. >> so if you're going to abandon the left, abandoned the right create the center. >> you then after build that
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party into a really potent, enduring institutional force, and it doesn't seem like mark cross paid much attention to building that party i think that's been one of the weaknesses of his presidency has been the institutional structure behind his movement, which was so effective for him in being elected in 2017 and then reelected in 2020. >> but he hasn't enable that to take root. but i think what has also happened is a dynamic that's to do with the hello rated political cycle seven years in power, which is what he has been. he's become an incumbent. that is the target of a lot of that time for a change feel in the country as seven years is not that long in power, but it feels already as a people want to see something different. and so it's, it's partly about the center, but it's also partly i think about the political cycle and this, there's a very strong feeling in france at the moment that they want to have something
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different and that difference is probably one of the extremes bottom line seems to, me, again, you see the center is weak. >> the far-right, the populous writers resurgent. >> and if you're going to take them on and when you have to be very clever, effective, and lucky as a centrist i think that's right. i mean, it's very difficult for the centers to hold. we've seen that across europe does not impossible. we've seen the return of centrists or center right government in poland, don't forget after a period of a populist government on the right. so it isn't impossible, but it has an incredibly difficult case to make. and in this area, it seems increasingly more so so that is, i think what my crow is up against as what his party's up against, the mood is not positive among a lot of the members of parliament that i've spoken to. and i've watched on the campaign trail, they're saying this is an incredibly tough election for them. and that could end up with really quite damaging losses for the macron's party so if we better
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next guest was born in 1965, the most common age of death in the united kingdom where he lives was under one today. >> it's 87 years what this marks is a seismic shift in longevity that andrew scott, a macro economist, has been studying for years now scott argues that these longer lifespans are as big a disruptive force as climate change and artificial intelligence. his new book is the longevity imperative. how to build a healthier and more productive society to support our longer lives. and risk god, welcome. thank you so what do those two statistics tell us? >> it used to be that people died. it lots of people died before their one. now they live into their 80s. how recent has the spurt in living longer, ben? >> yeah, let's be a remarkably
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constant trend. >> roughly over the last 250 years, every ten years, life expectancy is increased by two or three years. >> but now it really is not about getting to 70. it's about now your chances getting to be 90 or even higher so it's a really persistent change. but i think it's something we haven't really noticed about. let's go back to that. >> two or three increase in life expectancy every ten years that's like saying the end of every day. >> here's another six to eight hours and i think that we don't understand this is really about having more time and what you point out is now we're getting into numbers. >> the 80s, 90s, where as you point out, things start to break down. >> you want out that we age slowly and then all all of a sudden that all of a sudden part does tend to be sort of in the late 70s yeah. >> no. i mean, i think the really profound thing is now as we've heard are likely to become old 50% of children born in high-income countries can expect to live into their 90s, but we fear getting old. we
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worry about outliving our health. our finances our relationships our purpose so what do we do now? because the mistake is to think that aging is about something that happens when you're very old. it's something that happens over the whole of your life. and the really good news is not just we're living longer and i've got more time, but we can change how we age. we can influence how we age that didn't use to be important. but it really is now. so what are the most important things you can do because your idea, you say you got to start planning now in your 50s and 60s? >> yeah. or how you want to age. >> what are the most important things you can? >> well, i mean, there's nothing revolutionary. i mean, there's some really interesting stuff happening in science and the biology of aging, which may tran let's for our future. but really i think we're going to focus on three things already have long lives. we got to make them healthier for longer. you've got to make sure you're healthy for as long as possible. and we've got a finance and longer life, which means you're going have to be earning for longer so that has big implications about their careers and future-proofing your careers and how you take care of your
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money and your skills. but of course, health is crucial and there are things we can do to age better i'm not here to take anything that you don't know already. it's about eating better. it's about not drinking, it's about not smoking is about not being obese. it's about exercising the difference between people who do those things. and then those who don't is about ten years of healthy life expectancy. >> what about how to pay for it? i mean, for that first the individual because you're right. if i think about that, sometimes if you're going roughly speaking in your 60s, you're going to stop working and you're going to die when you're 95. that's 30 years where you have to be able to pay the bills. >> now this is a bit wherever and doesn't like what i have to say because it's great to say, hey, you can live longer and you can be healthier for longer. but if you don't see a full and your standard of living, you've got to produce more over your lifetime. and i think ai comes along and makes us all much more productive and solves the problem. it means we have to work for longer. i think people obviously down like that. and i think that's a very valid point because you
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got to think, well, what job can i do that i want to do. what's out there that's available as a university professor, it's relatively easy for me to carry on working for longer if i'm a construction worker, it's not going to have to try and shift into something different. so chris has changed a great deal with this lung, but you have to you have to start planning and you may have to plan about shifting a career, about really thinking about something completely different. >> now the heart of my book is to say, look for the first time ever in human history with live a long life. >> so we have to change how we age, take careers, for instance, in the 20th century, we invented what i call it the three-stage life. we've made a teenager's, we invented retirement, and we have education, work retirement. and as we're living these longer lives into our 90s, we can't just stretch that out. there's not really anything you can learn at 20, that's still going to be relevant when you're 70 or 80 so careers are going to become much more multistage. you're going to have different jumps and sequences. perhaps sometimes you're working full-time, sometimes part-time, but you're going to have to
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think a little bit more head and say, well, this is what i'm doing for now. what comes next? we've got to invest in our future law, and that's not about money. it's about health relationships and skills y macroeconomists by training obviously what you're saying has a big budgetary implication. yeah. >> are older people work less, they draw more in terms of pensions, they draw much more in terms of health care. yeah. how do you make the math work? >> one of the things i'm really worried about and i think every listener should be worried about this as where a reviewer from the age of 50 is on america at age 58% of americans working by age of 65. that's fallen to about 30%. and that's not because people are choosing retire. they get hill, they have to look after someone who's ill, their skills are out of date as ageism in the workplace. so i think that's really as a macro economists where we have to focus how do we keep people working from 50 up to the current state pension age? >> what's the most optimistic way to look at a world in which
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people are living to their 95 or 100. they're working till they're 70. >> this increase in longevity, this increase in the number of old people we call it an aging society let's see we talk about doom and gloom. it's fewer children lost in infancy. it's fewer parents snatched away mid-life. it's more grandparents meeting their grandchildren. this is a phenomenal opportunity. if we adapt and adjust to the new reality, we have these longer lives. that's why i put up there with ai and climate change, which he never gets out attention because if we don't adapt and adjust, we live a long life that's unhealthy. it's wired about money, and it can be quite boring. >> what are you going to be doing at age 80? >> i don't know what i'll be doing at if i got good health, i've got money, good relationships, and a sense of purpose meizhou itself will have choices. and i think that's the key thing pleasure to have you on my long life next our gps, i will give you a sneak preview of my latest documentary america's mess
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