mattress firm sleep at night go forth in america thursday, july 4th, they 70s dirt on see it in wikileaks founder julian assange is heading back to australia, free man, who was released from a prison in the united kingdom after agreeing to plead guilty to a felony charge related to his alleged role in one of the largest us his government breaches ever of classified material. it was part of a deal with the justice department allowing him to avoid prison here, he spent 1,901 day is behind bars and burden the news continues here on cnn outfront next trump demands of drug tests before the debate, as we're getting new reported out front this hour about a possible shift in strategy for biden tonight plus the most expensive house primary race in american history, with everyone from aoc to hillary clinton weighing in, who is favored to win in this

crucial so race tomorrow and will take you to the southern border tonight. >> we're a small community straddles both sides of a dangerous part of the border. >> what they're witnessing every day, and what they think here is still to come let's go out front and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, demanding a drug test. >> so for president trump now says president biden should be tested for drought he's saying this three days before the presidential debate right here on cnn and all caps, trump tonight, writing online quote, drug tests for cookie jar so biden three exclamation points. >> i would also immediately agree to 13 exclamation whites trump upping the ante on a distraction campaign. and the final hours before the debate, making up a campaign out of thin air to accuse biden of using drugs. so we could stay alert during the upcoming debate. just listen to what he's saying right now. >> crooked joe's gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. >> no, he didn't he's sleeping

now because they want to get them good and strong so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. >> the and that's they wanted to strengthen them up so he comes out, he'll come out okay i say he'll come out all jacked up okay. >> it is not just trump who is pushing this dangerous leinz. so is congressman ronny jackson. you may remember him, right? because he started out as trump's white house doctor, obama's white house doctor actually back at one point, listen to him i'm going to be demanding on behalf of many megan's are concerned americans right now that he's submit to a drug test before and after this debate specifically looking for performance enhancing drugs it's quite ironic, but these calls for drug tests are coming from these who particular man, i mean, one is a doctor who always gave trump a glowing bill of health, saying at one point it could live to 200 a doctor who actually do withdraw

his nomination for the secretary of veterans affairs after being accused of writing prescriptions for well, what could have been illegal scripts for ambient and percocet while serving as the white house doctor in trump's administration. as for trump, if he is willing to take a test before the debate, that is new. i mean, remember trump-allied after testing positive for covid three days before the september 2020 debate between trump and biden went out there with covid right on stage in front of everybody. new, he had it lied. >> days later, you'll remember trump trump was really sick. trump had to be rushed to walter reed medical center for treatment, spent days there it all comes as he is going all out to raise expectations for biden. now, maybe worried that he has set them too low. just listen to trump. >> now i watched him with paul ryan and he destroyed paul ryan baryon with the water he was chugging water at a left and right. i didn't think you human being would be able to drink so much water at one time? >> paul ryan so i'm not underestimating him. >> i'm not underestimating it

so he's talking about a shot and the, you know what, and then trying to act serious is if he doesn't want underestimate him and look, it's all been part of a move for trump because just last month when it came to underestimating biden, it was a very, very different thing. trump wrote on may 15 on social media, crooked joe biden is the worst debater i've ever faced. he can't put two sentences together. perhaps trump is remembering what happened last time when he successfully set the bar so low for biden that it backfired just listened to the aftermath on fox news i do think that joe biden clear the very low bar that had been set for him? it was a very low bar that he was able to go over. >> the bar should never have been said that lower as for biden, are kayla tausche has new reporting right now on the decisions taking place inside biden's debate inner circle, and the preparations ongoing as we seek hail is outfront live outside the white house. >> and what are you hearing right now about biden's strategy and the shifts happening, kayla?

>> aaron, several prominent democrats tell me that they've urged the biden campaign to help president take a different tack on the economy during thursday's debate moving away if from his tendency to tout his accomplishments instead focusing on the contrast of his plan with trump's planned because they acknowledged that the messaging so far has not worked with voters. the four sources that i spoke with who requested anonymity to describe some of these private deliberations with the camera payne said that biden is a lifelong politician, is perhaps too inclined to take credit where it's due and recently he's been talking about the 15 million jobs created, the wage growth with the economy's ability to resist a recession. and while all true voters their feelings are feelings of deep frustration about the higher cost of living, which has persisted steadily been among their top issues. and one of the reasons why they give trump better marks on the economy. one of these sources when i asked how the campaign received that feedback said simply claim gets it a reference to ron klain in biden's longtime aid

and his debate coach at camp david, right now and clean himself in recent months has made comments that biden talks too much about all the bridges he's building around the country tree and doesn't spend enough time empathizing with the average voter to be clear. biden's approval rating on the economy remains quite low. the campaign for its part up points to a recent ad that the president rolled out talking in to voters in battleground states about these struggles they faced and make ends meet. but he's going to have a delicate balancing act on thursday to prove some of that progress while also acknowledging that voters don't necessarily feel it, aaron. >> alright, kayla, thank you very much. and outfront now, tim pawlenty, no stranger to debate stages as of course, the former republican governor of minnesota, 2012 presidential candidate, also with me here, david urban and van jones. and since you're here, let me start with you than kayla's reporting on the economy i was with president biden a few weeks ago and wisconsin when we were we began talking about the economy. and i expected him to have more about empathy and he

didn't, he got defensive. he started listing the positives even when you would list all the things that people see, he didn't want to hear it i believe that prior to that interview, people had counseled him to change his message on the economy. he didn't want to do it. do you think he will and you think he can successfully like i think he is going to do the right thing. >> it's great strength is empathy he deeply cares about ordinary people and he's a proud man. and he's proud because it's hard to land the academy where you where it is right now if you do have inflation coming down, unemployment going up, that's called a soft landing. he wants his credit, but trying to get credit yourself as the wrong way. get it. go. i think what you're going extinct from joe biden is a proud defense of his record. he's going to go after to donald trump is also going to show you where it's going forward, where he's gonna go on the economy going forward. and that will be when it comes, well, that's crucial. and maybe this is the question is trump, who we know is preparing in a non-normal way? in an

additional non-traditional, but on something like this traditional can matter because you want to be able to stand up there and know that the five points biden is going to make an economy and you want to come back with every single one. by the way, anybody should be able to do that. the question is, will trump be able to do that because he's not preparing in that way. >> but he's preparing. listen, we kind of gloss over and forget the fact there was a second debate in 2020, right? donald trump didn't do so great in the first debate. that's what was referenced here earlier and the second debate, donald trump had commanded the facts. he did incredibly well and he won that debate by all accounts, he wants to debate, but people weren't tuning in that donald trump i expect to show up on thursday night and that donald trump will robot point by point by point to van. van makes his point all the time. if joe biden doesn't empathize with people who can't 50 cent, 56% of americans can't put their hands on 1,000 bucks. and when the check engine light comes on to your car, van, talked about this before. it's a crisis of those people. if joe biden can't empathize and make those people out there feel like he understands their pain. >> but if you can, that's gonna be a challenge. so tim governor

pawlenty, what do you think joe biden needs to do? >> i mean, especially on this issue of the economy where he does tend to get defensive as opposed to empathetic. recently how can you change that? >> well, he's been talking about the economy for a long time and i think one of the problems is while the rate of inflation, if increase in inflation is slowing down, it's coming off a much larger base after raging inflation for the last two years, i prices are still going on. >> and what you're also saying yeah well, there's still going up, but they're also an absolute terms up dramatically compared to a couple of years ago. so when you buy bread, milk, gas again, other thing in your life that's core to you. it's a lot more expensive and people aren't stupid. they feel that so you could say the rates come down from 7% to 3%, but they still feel feel they're pain a lot more and that's why he's losing that argument on the another issue, though, aaron, the ante for him is he has to show in this debate that he has the requisite physical and mental

energy and strength to be president for four more years. and if you look at the polling on, in swing states amongst independent and persuadable well voters, that's still a big issue. so if he goes in there and does not repeat a performance like the state of the state the peters, those questions are going to linger and it's going to matter. >> i mean, then that is the thing everybody is going to be watching him. watching him. they're gonna be watching his blinking. they're gonna be watching that, but they are right to our college evolve? >> on sunday rusting old man face but they're going to be staring at that. >> here's a good thing about that donald trump is a force of nature. donald trump is a runaway train. donald trump is a grizzly bear. if you can go in there and hold your own with him for an hour and a half? >> you couldn't i couldn't if if your job by new pull that off, then you are fit to be president. >> is this goes both ways, but toward us, an inherent it goes both ways.

>> trump is making a big mistake here. he is setting expectations so high for himself, but don't forget, you're taking away a lot of stuff from don trump. he's used to, he loves to have the oxygen of that crowd. he won't have it. he loves to be able to run over people. they're going to mute him. this is the first time you're going to see donald trump without the crowd and without his ability to bully people and donald trump's got some challenges. two, now, we have talked about joe biden. now, trump got symptoms let me ask you about that because he had a self-awareness that he does not often display about this issue. >> he gave an interview to bring arc at the washington examiner. he said about this exact issue of not having an audience. he said you have no audience to read to me. the audience is easier because it's telling you what is going on in directly with applause or not applause knows this so at the rally, you guys didn't watch i watched on saturday night. yeah. trump would out to the crowd, said, how should i taught, how should i interact with joe biden? should i be nice to be mean to them? >> right. so again, so he understands politics at a

visceral level. and so by not having that crowd, you're exactly right. he's not gonna get a sense of donald punches landing, are they not he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't read books. >> he reads people. >> that's donald trump. and so that's why i'm not preparing, doesn't matter in his mind because he you're just reading a crowd. there'll be no crowd. >> and so, governor, let me ask you about that because he was asked on a podcast how he's preparing and he answered in what seems to be pretty honest way at least. and what everyone around him who knows him seems to say, let me play it for you. >> governor people say, how are you preparing? >> i'm preparing by taking questions from you and others if you think about it, we had a great meeting just now and philadelphia with the at. the shop, you saw that with all the wonderful people we just left, faith and freedom in dc. and that was incredible. we had an incredible crowd i'll governor actually telling their that while he's talking about how he prepares, which is to sort of have conversations with people and do interviews. he brings up the crowd and the incredible uses the word

incredible to talk about crowds twice, he's gonna be feeling it in that room what do you think about his style of preparations, such that he's always done it in this environment where the mics get cut and he has no audience, he might get very bored in that room. there's only three people well, keep in mind era and the most important thing for this race, for these candidates is not all the people that are already commenting are made up their minds. >> it's just those people in the swing states who are independent or persuadable and if donald trump, because of the reasons you just mentioned, has to dial back his tone 10% or 15% or 20% for those people, the people who are wondering is joe biden too old? is he wrong on immigration as iran on wokeness as iran on crime or is trump too crazy to be president again, when it faced see a more subdued donald trump for that sub-segment of the electorate, it might actually be helpful, right? >> if he doesn't. now all the memes going around him about talking about sharks and whatever it is that he does on his his verbal coldest acts at rallies basically, if he avoids

that book, is that his hurdle sure. >> but just don't forget his base expects him to go out there for an whips some, but and the expectations for trump or so hired by talked about the loads but he's got to somehow donald trump now be this entertainer, this wrestler type of a guy for his bass. he's also got to be calm and measured to deal with little ready and be prepared to do 50 different things. so everybody is going to be expecting it the problem to all be on biden side all biden asked do is be joe biden. we already know that he's old. we already know the i won't say anything. i think we are dealing with already know i know his deficits, but what we haven't seen from him is that big heart, that big empathy in his ability to see it across the table hello from donald trump as you people can or ever have and deliver yeah, that's probably my money still on trump despite all the hurdles laid in front of him, my money is still a but some

people have shown up with a w on thursday nights. >> so people watch and say, you know what, maybe i'm just not going to cry how about the two choices i have? people walk away, feeling positive in some way, i guess we should all take that as a loan for the country. >> i got my money on biden. >> all right. thank you. all. next breaking news on wikileaks founder julian assange, just striking a deal with the biden administration. so what does it mean was tempers fly and trump's classified documents case judge aileen cannon, hearing after hearing today, appearing skeptical of placing a gag order on the man who appointed are made her a judge in the first place and it is the most expensive democratic primary ever with aoc and bernie sanders putting everything on the line? save one of their own. >> but are the progressives turning off voters simply safe we designed the number one rated home security system powered by 24/7 professional monitoring for half the cost of traditional home security. >> so you stay safe for less than $1 a day. there's no safe

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558999, or visit home serve.com i'm natasha bertrand at the pentagon and this is cnn and breaking news, we are learning of a plea deal for julian assange, the wikileaks founder that would allow him to avoid prison in the united states. a major development wikileaks founder agreeing to plead guilty to a felony charge related to his alleged role and one of the largest ever breaches of classified material in american history. now what

that deal would do would be to allow assange to leave that high-security london prison where he has been for years stuck in london, and he would be allowed to return to his native australia evan perez is out front and evan, what more can you tell us about what looks to be from what i just laid out, at least write a huge win for julian assange well, absolutely are in look. >> the fact is that the julian assange, under the terms of this agreement, will be pleading guilty to one count. he was facing 18 counts in total in the eastern district of virginia. but under this deal, he will present himself in a federal court insight pen and the northern mariana islands, a us territory and if everything is approved by the judge on wednesday, he could be very soon after that on his way to his home country of australia. and that's something that the australian government has been pushing and has gotten some, certainly some soup some tentative approval of the

former president biden, who express some sympathy for the idea of dismissing these charges. now under the terms of this deal, assange will essentially get time served. he's been in a british prison since 2019 since he was charged and has been fighting extradition to the united states. he was he was opposed to presenting himself to a federal court in the continental united states, according to a letter that was just filed in federal court inside pan so evan interesting, that just political layers to this. he has become a political lightning rod. the assange case for quite some time, trump is implied as a political prisoner said that he would seriously considering pardoning him if he wins. >> how controversial is this assange decision coming at this time from the biden administration? >> given the fact again that what this goes back to is his, role in one of the largest breaches of american classified material in history right? >> exactly. and for those reasons, there was a lot of opposition within the justice

department within the fbi about any deal to send him back to australia without at least some kind of resolution of the charges here in the united states. and so what i'm told is the fact that he is going to plead guilty to a felony, obviously has assuaged some of those concerns, but erin absolutely. as you pointed out, this is a deal that also he was he was indicted during the trump administration. so the former president has been on all sides of this? >> yes an important too write that out. alright, evan, thank you very much. and also tonight, i don't appreciate your tone those are the exact words from the trump-appointed judge, aileen cannon. she was scolding the prosecutor in the mar-a-lago classified documents case today, also today appearing skeptical about placing a gag order on former president trump in the case a gag order that to other judges notably not appointed by trump, had imposed on him and other cases. well, today is the second of three days of hearings cannon is calling for these hearings are on various

issues. the basic legality of the special counsel's appointment is actually one of them that is a question that other courts have refused to even take up. this is all coming in a case that the judge cannon has delayed indefinitely. there is no trial date, and that has come much to the delight of donald trump outfront now, conservative lawyer george conway. so george just to start with this gag order hearing, as he pointed out, there is a gag order. in other cases and again, today, judge aileen cannon refusing to impose one in this one how significant is that? >> well, i think it's it's disturbing. i think it's disturbing in the the defendant here, a criminal convict actually went out and made statements that were so inflammatory. they presented a danger to fbi agents. the made statements through his campaign that he, the government to assassinate him, right time to assassinate him. and given his history, given the fact that he was held in contempt of court ten times in the new york case,

given the fact that he's already a convicted felon, given the fact that he was subject to a gag order in the dc case before judge chutkan and given the fact that he incited an insurrection on january 6, 2021, would seem to be there. a very compelling case which in which the court should consider fashioning sometime in order designed to restrict his ability to make statements. i think if he had been any other defendant let alone one would such a megaphone and let alone with such a track record, let alone, but convicted felon. i think he might already be in jail. i mean, the order might have already been entered modifying his conditions of relief, at least any probably would've violated already. so it's really, really hard to understand her skepticism here. i understand it can be difficult to draft these orders and to make them clear and make them consistent with the first amendment. but here, there are so many that's the judge's job. >> if the job yes so let me ask you these hearings because now there's a whole bunch of them, right? second of three days of

hearings on various topics, including whether jack smith's should even be allowed to be a special counsel or not, right? whether that's even constitutional when you take a step back and i know obviously your feelings on judge cannon's behavior all the way through this, but are any of these hearings in your view, would any of them or any of them necessary, would any of them be heard by another judge? >> well, i think the motion to disqualify or to hold the special counsel's appointment was unconstitutional. >> i mean, that might might have warranted like a 30 hearing is certainly didn't warn an all day hearing. >> it certainly didn't warrant the introduction of amicus curiae. i both briefs and argument and it's certainly i mean, it's just a meritless argument the definition of what an inferior officer is is somebody who reports to somebody else. and if you're an inferior officer under the constitution, which the special counsel clearly is because by regulations created by the attorney general, he reports the attorney general and can be removed by the attorney

general. there's just no question. then under the constitution, the united states senate confirmation is not require either the notion that she spent it all day fussing around with this is absurd, particularly, there's an on-point dc circuit opinion where the dc circuit roundly rejected the challenge to special counsel molars appointment of years ago. so what i ask you because i know that if she were to rule against jack smith in these cases, for his appointment, that would give him a chance to move to have her removed. >> you might succeed. this case could continue. i saw something interesting though that was a little bit different. i wanted to ask you about georgia was a professor at george washington law school. >> it was a tweet and i was reading it. >> want to get your thoughts so he had another suggestion for the doj to work around cannon if she rules, smith was constitutionally not constitutionally the appointed and he can't serve so he said, the government should, should not appeal. instead, have the us attorney in florida refile the same charges in a new case. hope the case is reassigned to a different judge, and then have special counsel prosecutors designated as

special assistant, u.s. attorneys in florida to continue their prosecution of trump. he says that could end up up being a much quicker process. what do you make that argument i mean, i think it's an interesting gambit and actually randi eliason and i had an exchange about this on x i think the problem with his suggestion is that the next case that would be filed by the us attorney in lieu of the special counsel could also easily under the local rules, as i read them, go to judge cannon because there arguably would be it would be efficient to have the same judge handle that next case. >> let's leave a part of the question of whether or not she's competent and biased. so the argument on the professor eliason is suggesting is that the rule only applies to the assignment of cases where there's an existing present case already before the court, but i think the rule actually could go beyond that and so i

wouldn't i'm not at all sure that that professor license gambit would work. >> all right. well, i appreciate this context to it. >> it's an interesting idea to consider as we are, we are in this sort of alice in wonderland world where these are the kinds of conversations were happening all right, george, thanks great to see you. >> thank you. >> next with over 50 years of practice, biden has had his ups and downs on the debate stage with all, due respect that too bunch of malarkey one of his favorite words plus trump facing new backlash tonight after proposing what he's calling a migrant league of fighters ufc style the cockroach resilient creatures, where there is one others i'm far well, that's all fine ortho home defense max, enduring insect barrier, one application kills and prevents bugs for 365 days. >> nature's wild home doesn't have to be get ready today look

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their share of taxes. >> it's total bull to be honest are these a preview of what's to come on the debate stage this week, sundland safadi is out front with the ups and downs of biden's many debate format can i it is a stage joe biden knows well, would you back for over 50 years of public office? >> he appeared on numerous debates, stages. >> jack, gardi, lower tax rates, increase growth. ronald reagan, your jack kennedy, ronald reagan as a multi time presidential candidate, vice presidential candidate, senate candidate, and now incumbent president, you know who i am, you know who he is? >> you know, his character, you know, my character, you know, our reputations for a honore and telling the truth, creating memorable moments by season and opening. >> rudy giuliani, there's there's only three things he mentioned in the sentence and noun and a verb 911, showing

off his folksy personality with all due respect. that's a bunch of malarkey and why is that? not a single thing he said is accurate, pushing his opponent. i'm willing to do anything i wanted to see what, sir. >> do it say? >> do you want to call them? what do you want to call them? give me a name. give me the price just like medic and proud process unripe proud gene back. >> joe biden was right when he said it was time to pass the torch to a new generation of americans 32 years ago is still rife i'm still hold onto that torch. moments, which went on to help him on your own. >> we wanted this stage is actually got it done on health care the biden has also had plenty of harmful moment we can do this by making sure that we're in a position that we in fact allow people times backing away from a direct challenge from his future vice president you also work with them to oppose bussing i agree that everybody wants day. >> in fact my time is up. i'm

stepping into scrutiny with his pension for gaps and the los angeles times said in addition to his uncontrolled verbosity, biden is a gaffe machine can you reassure if voters in this country that you would have the discipline you would need on the world stage, senator? >> yes thank you, senator biden warned during dense that still haunt his reputation my ancestors who worked in the coal mines and northeast pennsylvania, new come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours. from nearly 40 years ago when he was accused of plagiarism on the debate stage. >> it's because they didn't have a platform upon which to stand and many believed that that debate performance in those accusations of plagiarism was what song kiss first bid for the white house. now, fast forward, nearly 40 years later here aaron, this debate he's facing one of a kind for him. he has acknowledged in the past that he says all debates are

tough and certainly this will be no exception. and tomorrow we will be looking at former president trump and his past debate performances over the years. >> all right, sinan, thank you. and that of course, is tomorrow night here tonight now those cnn anchor chris wallace, who has been covering politics for decades, moderating debates, including, we heard your voice, their chris, of course, because you were involved in the trump biden debate. the last one and 2020. so covering biden a long time and let's just start here because that last soundbite that sunland played, a biden that too many is not even recognizable, right? but that gives a sense of how long he has been doing this, you know, 40 plus years. he has been doing debates what strikes you the most about his debating style? >> well, what strikes me most just watching all of those clips and good evening. urine is how much he frankly has aged even from 2020, when you watch him and the debate with swale. well, and kamala harris back in 2020 he's definitely the,

years have taken something of a toll, and i think it's gonna be one of the biggest issues people talk about his mental acuity has physical vigor i think so often and one experience i've had from almost 50 years of covering presidential debates. it's often not there. people aren't sitting there with a a legal patterns. i well, here are the pluses for this candidate and here are the pluses for that candidate they're just getting a sense and that's one of the things people have gotta get a sense from joe biden on thursday night that he's up to the job for four more years. >> and you talk about the change in his physical appearance and his i guess just even his his his his ability to hang in there and that honestly, chris is what we hear from everybody. i don't think anybody watching hasn't heard that from people they talked to. however, there's also this conversation out there about, well, maybe trump is just as bad, but in a different way and no one's looking at it the same way. i mean, he makes a lot of gaps. he makes a lot of nonsensical coldest sack statements that when you even

read them are completely there's absolutely no point that anyone can ascertain from them. here's some examples the biden border will well, you know this right? >> the biden border bill did you just see maduro that is where unbelievable. we're a nation that just recently heard that saudi arabia and russia will repeat it will be reducing is a man, viktor orban. did anyone ever hear of him? he's probably like one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world and he is the leader of right. he's the leader of turkey. nikki haley. you know, do you know they destroyed all of the information, all of the evidence, everything deleted a destroyed all of it. all of it because of lots of things like nikki haley is in charge of security and obviously chris just a point in an nikki haley, he met nancy pelosi, viktor

orban. >> he meant hungry, not turkey. there's some slurring their lately there's been sort of stories he's been telling about water. you've probably seen them on twitter and how nobody has any water and it goes on this long thing about washing machines and showers and something. and it literally is nonsensical do you think people just see that differently because he presents it with so much energy yeah. >> i mean, luck. as we see the debate and we're going to sit there and watch it together. i'm happy to say on thursday night you know, people will get a sense, but optics are important. i mean, if somebody makes terrible misstatements are terrible gaps, that's part of it, but also just physical optics and there's no question that biden presents strong stronger, younger, more energetic, even though as you point out out he has had his share of gaps just to give you an example, though the first presidential debate in 1960 between kennedy and nixon, nixon's greatest strength was that he had been vice president

for eight years, that he had an experience gap, a gravitas gap over john kennedy. they went into that first debate. kennedy had a arctan, he had a dark suit against a gray background. he looked terrific. nixon was still recovering from a serious staph infection. it lost ten pounds. he was sweating, is eyes were shifty and the gravitas gap went right out the window in that one debate. and i don't think nixon never recovered that's it. so often and i've been covering this debate is not since 1960, although i watched that one, but since 1980 and so often it's not some big declaration of policy are some great choice of words. it's just your sense of who do i feel more comfortable running the country for the next four years particularly with, as we say, this is down to about 6% of the voters in six swing states. and where a lot of us have made up

our minds because of issues these guys, these voters haven't particularly, and a lot of it will just be their impression of who they feel more comfortable with at the end of those 90 minutes. >> i mean, it is it is really incredible and you talk about that nixon moment. i mean, right. studied in schools and every sign of constitutional class, right? everyone studies at that moment, right? as it telling moment for the power of television you know, just, just thinking here about biden today, i've mentioned coming into you about these ads calling trump a criminal and a felon. and they have hinted his campaign, kris, that he's going to bring this up at the debate. the 34 felony counts i don't know hollywood do it calling him a felon? >> do you? >> how do, you think that will play? because i'm thinking about moments like that in the context of there being no audience well, the problem with that from biden's point of view, as you certainly can and probably will bring that up. >> but of course, then the president president trump can

hit back on hunter biden and his convictions and the biden crime family. i suspect that there will be a lot of moments of serious policy in this debate. and i think they're also going to be some moments that are going to make people quite uncomfortable with just how personal and mean it gets that's just the nature of these of these two candidates. and the fact that they've had so much experience with each other. and frankly, both of them have some vulnerabilities that can be hit, right? >> and they, they truly, truly despise each other. i mean, it's hard to hide that when you're in front of a camera for 90 minutes, like they will be heat with no one else in the room. >> all right. thanks so much, chris and force be with you. >> and next we're going to take you to one community that essentially straddles the us border with mexico. and what they're seeing tonight will surprise you plus, it is the most expensive the democratic primary ever, one that is putting some of the biggest names in politics like hillary clinton and aoc against each other, who will win smile you

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that they're leaving that job. about 30 miles west of tucson arizona, the reservation essentially straddles the us southern border, which is marked by a symbol cattle fan it's this is a semi go gate traditional crossing. the tribes. chairman berlin, jose does a border wall here. would ruin their traditional land this is where the creator had put us you don't see a boundary and we don't see a boundary but migrants do. and so do cartels, which used that anathema land as a profitable crossing ground there's an area right up here where they just turn around, drop a monotone, just go across there we see that et for ourselves. oh, look, crossing right here. you can see this right there. you carry to add cost. >> she can't get not uncommon i mean they. may, go. yeah ramos to requests asylum.

>> they're from mexico dropped off with her three kids norma says, she was told to walk towards a makeshift camp, even in the scorching desert heat. she believes where she's headed will be better than what she's left behind. >> she. works for a political party directly in mexico and she says her political party lost. >> she said the surge in violence and danger is so much so that she and her there's a host see her kids have decided to cross into the us the tribe allowed the border patrol to set up a structure for the folks who do come over until their process everyone we meet here mostly families from the same country. was this that i mean, they may call him aco even the chairman intrigued with how they ended up in such a remote part of the border i. asked him that's the thing i

said. do you know where we are? she she didn't even know gino's have done this demo. now. >> she has no idea where where we are right now. all right chairman jose believes cartels are behind it. >> the reason is mrsa doesn't play when it's in part where the tribe coordinates with customs and border protection section allowing them to set up substations on thun thumb land along with several towers armed with far-reaching high high-definition cameras so they're searching from the air as well as the ground here border patrol often deploying to stop threats or to rescue stranded migrants members of the tribe have noticed in an increase in violence and crime, green with lean motivated some to turn to their catholic faith prayers for safety and security echoed more than 1,000 miles south of tribal territory for a

in the outskirts of mexico city they lubecki. it's like it's here. >> we again meet norma days after we watched her and her kids cross the border get really emotional now for her the virgin of guadalupe, and she carries this card with her and her constant prayer to the virgin was to protect her kids more than 48 hours after crossing into the us border patrol's and norma and her kids back to mexico just days after the biden administration took executive action on the border allowing for a swift deportation of most migrants after a daily camp is reached. >> okay you in. miami and it wasn't until they were physically at the border that she realized they were going to be sent back to mexico the leah

the sixth day journey, costner more than $8,000 and ended where it started back in the neighborhood where she still feels the threats of political oppression let's get she's actually feels okay going out right now because we're here and what together, but she was by herself like normally, she would only go out on saturday per day and middle of the day. you see you but i can she says that her recommendation for others who may want i tried to cross the way that she did is don't try it while norma has no plans to cross again back on been off and land sometimes i'll come up here about myself just going to need a solid to chairman jose fears without congress coming together across party leinz, migrants and drugs we'll continue to cross his sacred land.

>> it has a major impact on us. we're not here to lay blame on who's who's responsible for this because i think we all and i'll do whatever it is to protect the slant yeah that's all i got my blood sweat, and here i got nothing more perhaps not all that surprising. aaron going into this presidential election, the big issue for many of the members of the tribe is going to be the immigration. now, the chairman says he's open to both candidates personally coming down and touring the border with him. in fact, he invited both biden and trump is yet to hear back one thing he is adamant about is having a border wall divide that tribal landscape. he said, if there was a wall that were to have been built, there would've been done, say 500 years ago to stop the original migration surge from your aaron all right. >> thank you very much next, the most expensive democratic primary in history.

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brutal and pricey democratic primary progressive champion at some ultra-conservative old white guy pitting george latimer, a moderate longtime local politician against progressive incumbent jamaal bowman we many in his suburban new york district mostly in wealthy westchester county, any small slice in the bronx? >> have had enough of bowman's progressive politics. what's motivating your vote? >> my life for latimer. number one. number two, i just don't associate myself with that whole what do they call that crew regressive. >> there's the swatted the squad bowman voters say they prefer his youthful energy and progressive message. >> bowman has a better outlook on the future, and bowman who also champions rate we shall justice, including for migrants and medicare for all, is a

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