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him there the first time he has been seen publicly? in months, parts of the midwest under water this morning, still water rescues, levee failures, and a dam at risk of collapse after days of relentless rain, what cities? >> are now doing as they remain at major flood levels. i'm kate bolduan, ms sara sidner, and john berman. this is cnn news central grover cleveland and benjamin harrison never had this much fun for the first time in history. >> a sitting president debates a former president for the first time in history, a general election debate is in june for the first time in history. it is at 9:00 p.m. tomorrow night from cnn headquarters in atlanta. these are the last two more claim that i can go luck these last few hours for the biden campaign's in the trump campaigns to spin in make

claims about what the candidates will do with the news this morning seems to be the suggestion about what they will not do. we are told not to expect new policy from president biden and we are told that advisers hope donald trump is not as aggressive as he was it was the first debate four years ago and will not go down any rabbit holes beyond if the main issues seen as a way of treating covers the trump campaign in is with us now. >> so what's the latest from there later? >> well luck donald trump, but you're exactly right. you're on donald trump's team. does not want him to focus on his grievances. instead, they really want donald trump to talk about three key issues, all areas where they believed that donald trump polls higher than joe biden. and that's the economy. immigration and crime. and we've heard this many times. these are the three issues that they really are prioritizing ahead of november and think democrats are more vulnerable on, but they also don't want him to be as aggressive as he was back in that first debate. in 2020. remember when donald trump was continuously cut, joe biden

off, barely let them get a word and and we saw trump's poll numbers fall shortly after that. and so that is what trump's team is trying to push donald trump toward. now, of course, anyone who argues that they know what donald, which donald trump is going to show up on the debate stage on thursday. they're lying. they do not know if donald trump is going to meander, if he's going to go on rants, if he's going to focus on some of his grievances, but that's really what they are pushing him toward. now, even though donald trump and his team are continuously saying that he doesn't need a lot of prep that unlike joe biden, he is not hunkered down. he has been in mar-a-lago for the past two days with nothing on his schedule. and has been focusing on debate prep sessions on these informal policy sessions with his advisors, with his team. and they are trying to really sharpen his rhetoric on many issues. and it's not just the the ones that he wants to focus about they're also doing some recon on things that they think trump himself is

vulnerable. and that includes his plans to protect american democracy in his handling of the january 6 attack on the capitol his rhetoric on abortion, something donald trump has struggled with as well as how to the frame his conviction last month in a manhattan courtroom. and so these are all things that the trump team is in donald trump's ear on trying to get him in the best shape they can before the two men find themselves on the debate stage tomorrow night john, two days with nothing on the schedule at mar-a-lago that sure. does seem like debate prep. they can call it whatever they want, landed train. thanks so much for your reporting this morning also out this morning, new numbers from the department of homeland security showing a significant drop in the number of people trying to cross the southern border illegally, dhs says this morning that since president biden announced a crackdown on asylum claims earlier this month, the seven-day average of migrant apprehensions has dropped by more than 40% to under 2,400 encounters a day that is still not yet low

enough though for the dhs secretary to begin lifting those new asylum restrictions, secretary alejandro mayorkas this is headed to arizona to visit the southern border today, just as president biden and donald trump are sure to be readying their pitch and attack leinz on the border crisis and immigration writ large for cnn's presidential debate tomorrow, joining me right now is the secretary of homeland security, alejandro mayorkas, secretary. >> thank you so much for coming in. so looking at this new data coming out from your department in the three weeks since the executive order took effect, your department reports a 40% drop in apprehensions. >> can you say that this change, this trend is a direct result of that policy or is this also seasonal flux fluctuations? keita, we indeed have seen a tremendous success early on, and i should emphasize that it is early on in our implementation of the president's proclamation and our accompanying regulation it is a part of a whole, it is an

important element of the success that we have reached. but in addition, we have built lawful pathways for people who qualify for relief to access the united states humanitarian relief program in a safe and orderly way. so i wouldn't look at this in isolation. it's part of a larger effort. i must say though, at the very outset, that this is no substitute for congressional action. it is only congress that can fix our broken immigration system and delivered to the american people. and enduring solution. >> one of any, one thing that is long known speaking to that is that more immigration judges are needed. that has to come from funding from congress. that's definitely not in the offing anytime soon, you talked about thinking, looking at kind of looking at it at a whole and broader context. if you look at the numbers over recent years, 20182 now in terms of number of encounters at the southern border, the numbers that you're

looking at today and during the biden administration are still quite a bit higher and more problematic now than during the trump years. why? is that kate, let's look at it in context in 2019, there was almost 100% increase in the number of encounters, over 2018. >> that was the trend, not only at the southern border of the united states, but also throughout the region and the world. and then covid struck in 2020 and really put an end to travel in inter-country traveled to a great, great extent we now have around the world, the greatest level of displaced people since world war ii, if not before then. and so what we are encountering at the southern border is not unique to the united states. it's something that a number of countries around the region and the world are confronting

and that is why we have to make sure that are broken an outdated system that has not been amended since 1996 is actually fixed to meet the challenges of today and not so many years ago if president biden the border policies are working and having an impact, why do voters feel that they are not? why do voters feel like donald trump can handle it better in poll after poll? >> kate, look the fact of the matter is our policy is working or policies are working, we need our system fixed the numbers that we inherited in 2021 we're on the cusp of the covid-19 pandemic and do not speak to the trends in immigration preceding the pandemic what we have done with

this administration has done is we have brought the economy moving forward. we have conquered the covid-19 pandemic more rapidly and more effectively than any other country. and so with a booming economy and with a healthy american public, what we are, we have regained our stature as the place of destination where everyone wants oppmann, the opportunities that only america offers. we need a system that, can actually manage that desire in an orderly and logical and legal way. we need the system fixed and until that happens, the president is going to lead and use his executive authorities it's still remains a disconnect between what i'm hearing you saying the messaging from the administration and what we do see consistently in poll after poll, that is going to be up for the president to make his case tomorrow night in the cnn debate.

>> one thing i'm very curious about, and there's been a lot of coverage on are these eight tajik nationals that we're rested this month, believed to have connections since to isis after they entered the u.s. crossing at the southern border last year, federal authorities have not disclosed publicly what led investigators to believe that the men might be involved in terrorism to need to track them and pick them up that investigation seems to still be happening. they have not been charged, but how real was the threat secretary kate it is our responsibility our highest responsibility to protect the safety and security of the american people. >> and that's what are remarkable men and women and dhs do every single day. we screen and vet individuals at the border when we encounter them if we learned of information subsequently, that gives us any cause for concern, we take law enforcement action that is indeed what we did in this case. and we are seeking

to remove these individuals. they are in-custody and in proceedings. now but how does this fact how does this circumstance and others not support and backup the critic, criticism coming out, the biden administration that the border is not secure kate, every year every single year we encounter individuals that do indeed pose a threat to our public safety. that is not something unique to this administration. when i was the deputy secretary, when i was the director of u.s. citizenship and immigration services, when i was a federal prosecutor in the 1990s for 12 years, we encountered individuals of concern and we take enforcement action that's not something that is unique in fact, in this administration, the different agencies and departments across the federal enterprise are working more cooperatively and more effectively and doing more

robust screening and vetting than ever before. the security and safety the american public is our highest priority. these individuals are in custody and they are in proceedings to remove them from the united states i've also just been handed some information. secretary wanted to ask you about. this is some new reporting coming from the associated press about the arrests. there have been arrests in the murder of a 12-year-old, jocelyn and gauri in houston this is a terrible story on its, on its own, on its face, it's also become a political flash point in the discussion that we're having right now about border policy. because as the api is reporting now a second venezuelan man living in the united states illegally has been accused of killing this 12-year-old houston girl and was ordered on tuesday to be held on $10,000,000 bond. another man charged with capital murder in this 12-year-olds death, as well? this is something that's

really that you have faced criticism for and how you've responded to these horrific these tragedies and deaths. what do you say about this news? >> cato, what i say is what i have said throughout that our hearts are with the families of the victims the criminals who committed these heinous acts must be held responsible with the fullest force of the law. and i saw cases like this in the 1990s when i served as a federal prosecutor and we impose the full force of the law, then, and we will do so now our hearts are with the families and we will hold the criminals accountable and looking ahead to tomorrow and the cnn debate have you offered advice to president biden have spoken about the best way you think to present biden's

record, your record on immigration and border security. >> what does winning on this issue when you know, polls are not reflecting it? what is winning on this issue look like on a debate stage tomorrow? >> kate, i am incredibly proud to serve as a secretary of the department of homeland security under president biden's leadership. i've tremendous admiration for his leadership evidenced by the executive action that he has taken i'm incredibly proud of the leadership that he's exhibited in every facet of our work, not only across the department of homeland security, but across the federal government is leadership of the american people and bringing our country back to its prominence around the world i have full confidence in the president and i hope that congress takes the action that it has failed to take and the president has

stepped into the breach and taken his executive authority to the fullest extent. >> one thing that is fact and not up for debate is that congress has failed to act with regard to immigration policy very recently. and for years. but still a huge topic. this will be come tomorrow night on the cnn debate in you're headed to arizona to see that to do another fact-finding mission at the southern border today, secretary mayorkas thank you for your time thank you. >> sarah. >> all right. thank you. kate. minutes from now, just this morning, wikileaks founder julian assange, who spent years in prison and has now pleaded guilty to espionage, has arrived back in australia wikileaks holding a press conference this morning. will we hear from assange himself plus one of the key progressive leaders in the house, gets trounced in his primary in new york, detailed ahead baked in america as biden and trump meet. >> and only cnn has come week

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and conflict. cnn's even mechan has much more on those ratios joining us now you but what are you hearing? about this result this morning? >> though, congressman bowman had some well-reported political vulnerabilities. kate going into this contest, his lost really underscores at the progressive goldman still faces an uphill battle in washington. despite voting with president biden more than 90% of the time bowman was really portrayed as someone who was no longer in sync with the white house or his district that amount of money poured in from the pro-israel lobby, the negatively define him was quite significant. a super pac linked to the american israel public affairs committee dumped around 15 million. that's more than any outside group has ever spent on a house race. and ultimately was too much for him to overcome and bowman had a well-resourced and well-positioned opponent in the westchester county executive, who ultimately prevails. let's listen one our justice for the

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today no, i haven't seen him and it absolute chaos. >> some limb here. the reason i'm speaking to you on the phone is because there are so many people on their mobile phones, streaming video of the family of assange coming from the airports, streets meet online, taking photos. we've got dozens of camera crews, here from australia and across the world that all cake connectivity is completely collapsed even using wi-fi and all the broadcast system. so we have at our disposal. so it's pandemonium here, hundreds turning up at a small hotel about ten minutes away from tambora airport, just outside the capital of australia. the political hub of this country. and certainly close to the seat of power that's been so instrumental in securing julian assange is release prime minister anthony albanese speaking several times today. and he's was spanked by the chief lawyer in charge judi and assange. this plea deal with the u.s. department of justice and albanese saying there

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see what he's doing now, but you're getting word on what he is not planning to do. our lead yes. there are, you know, president biden remains up at camp david preparing for all scenarios in the debate. >> he is practicing at a podium as he is preparing to make his contrast with donald trump clear on that debate stage and sources have told cnn that the president is not planning on unveiling any new policy or personnel announcements in this debate as he did in previous debates back in 2020 instead, he is trying to keep the focus on drawing that contrast with trump. now, biden's advisers have signaled that they really see three key issues as being key contrast points for biden heading into the debate that includes democracy abortion rights, and the economy. but there's another issue that advisors are also anticipating to come up. there really is dominated a lot of biden's time in office, and that is foreign policy. now, this debates a bit different than others. in years past where there had been a focus sections devoted, and announced ahead of time

relating to foreign policy and national security. but biden's advisors believe that it will come up on that debate stage. and biden's team has long argued that foreign policy is just one of those areas where biden has a completely different worldview than former president trump. he is expected to try to paint trump's approach to foreign policy as dangerous and as one campaign official put it, quote, president biden stands up to dictators and defense freedom. trump is a loser who is too dangerous and reckless to ever be anywhere close to the oval office again, so foreign policy has long been one of those areas where biden has sought to draw these kinds contrast with trump, he's criticized his approach towards russia and ukraine, a recently the president really leaning into the fact that trump has said that russia should be able to do whatever the hell it wants to nato countries not meeting their obligations so biden in many ways will try to draw a lot of these contrasts with the debate stage. of course, biden has his own foreign policy issues. there are a lot of

people in the democratic progressive, a base of his party who are frustrated with his handling of the conflict between israel and hamas, all of these things could get a discuss on that debate stage as biden's gearing up to try hi to make a starker contrast as possible with trump and not just on foreign policy, but also with democracy hating him as a dangerous threat all right, are let signs their life rest from the white house. >> thank you so much. >> we also have this breaking news this morning only on cnn, former republican congressman adam kinzinger says he's still a proud conservative, is now endorsing democratic president joe biden for reelection. kinzinger served illinois and congress for 12 years, as a republican in his final term, he played a big role in january sixth insurrection congressional committee as one of just two republicans on that panel, any just put out this video statement on social media? >> i'm a proud conservative. i always have been as a proud

conservative. i've always put democracy and our constitution above all else. and it's because of my unwavering ford for democracy that today as a proud conservative, i'm endorsing joe biden for reelection. so while i certainly don't agree with president biden, not everything and i never thought i'd be endorsing a democrat for president. i know that he will always protect the very thing that makes america the best country in the world. our democracy president biden quickly responded to the endorsement this morning thanking kinzinger and saying this is what putting your country before your party looks like joining us right now is former congressman adam kinzinger. >> it's good to see you again. >> why announced today? >> i mean, it just feels right. look, we were getting ready to really hit the heat of the general election. i think it's really important for people to understand, particularly the 20% of let's just call them the 20% of haley voters for them to understand that this is a stark choice. this isn't just who do i agree with more on certain issues. i actually don't even really know where donald trump stands on many issues but this is about does

democracy survive the way we love it? or does it not? do we continue to change these these standards? i lived through january 6. i didn't watch it on tv. i was there and i have a two-and-a-half year-old kid that i do not want raised in a country where things like that are okay to happen. so for me it's just we've got to put decency above maybe political differences and it's just the right thing to do over are many conversations. since you, while you're in got well, since you left congress it is you made no secret of your disagreement and to taste for donald trump, what he stands for and what he's done but did you wrestle with this decision? what did you wrestle with most and making this choice i mean, i guess i wrestled to the extent of like, okay, you endorsing a democrat as a republican is a big deal but to me it wasn't much of a, i didn't have to look in the mirror and look into my soul or anything like that. >> i have spent the last few

years here's on a committee the last couple of years in congress, looking at the direct link between donald trump and what happened on that terrible day and i hear the acidity, the acrimony that comes out of, you know, many people who are supporting donald trump and some of the people around donald trump, because he's created a culture of just anger and division and for me it wasn't a hard thing to say. look, i really put a lot on the line when i decided to go on the january 6 committee, i'll do it at this because this is truly v. most important election of my lifetime. >> and i want, like i said, my kid christian, to be raised in a country where decency in the greatest office in the land is still something that people look up on and not have it, president that continues to punch down because he's such a whiny week victim that he's scared death. >> anybody that says anything mean about him like donald trump does would you could, would you frame it that you're voting are you voting more for

joe biden or more against donald trump? which framing is it? i think it's actually a little more 4 joe biden because the difference here now granted if it was somebody else running, who knows, in the geo brian but donald trump is the face of he is the head of the republican party. obviously, i don't like anything. he's about i don't but joe biden has shown himself to be a decent man, even when we disagree on issues. and this is a tough thing in america. we've gotten into this box in the last couple of decades where we feel like it's all about we have to line up with one party, 100% or another. >> now, this is about decency decency versus a man who is all about himself and doesn't care about you truly. and so i think it's a little more for joe biden than it is against donald trump. >> you know, all of this we've talked about it over, over the time, but looking back at some of the things that have been said about you by elected republicans, including donald trump, over time, calling you a

sick republican, a horrible rhino. andy biggs calling you a spy for the democrats. at one point, and so on and so for your i make that point because you're endorsements not likely to win over people like that, right if you're reaching out to the haley voter, if you will, the biden campaign has been mentioning that play as well very clearly, and putting money to adds to that if it doesn't work, if you're endorsement and what you do from here on out until november doesn't make a difference. >> what does that say i don't look for me personally. >> it's just about doing the right thing. so i hope it makes a difference if it doesn't, you know, uh, well, i can look at myself in the mirror, but i think for republicans look, this is a big question that 20% again, we'll just call them the haley voters. >> do they, do they put the country and decency and strengthen foreign policy. >> donald trump spent his time literally surrendering to every

opposition the united states to vladimir putin, giving them everything he wanted do we stand for that kind of strength or not? and i think if nothing happens here, if there's no change, if no republican votes for joe biden, which i don't see that happening by the way. i think many will. i goes to show that we are in such a tribalistic moment that even decency can't beat out a man who only cares about himself and that, that man who cares about themselves is by the way way, again, the most complaining bellyaching this, he was president of the united states for four years, the most powerful man in the world. and yet he's the victim of every plot everywhere. everybody's out to get him. he can't defend himself. i think there's a lot of republicans that when they realize it, don't want to fall though a man who's a constant victim or complainer and this week as donald trump really is one man who is not, has not been afraid to take a stand for quite some time and is doing so again today. is adam kinzinger. thanks for coming on top. >> you bet. >> and reminder to all adam kinzinger going to be watching, right along with us as well.

the first presidential debate of the 2024 election moderated by jake tapper and dana bash airing live tomorrow right here on cnn 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn max, john freud, this mortar, the cdc is warning doctors and the public to be on alert for new cases of dengue, the viral infection is spread by mosquitoes the surge in cases are surging around the world scene and health before jacqueline howard joins us now let's say my family's a little experience with this jacqueline dengue seems to be all the move what's the latest it does seem to be on the move. >> john and the latest is the cdc has warning because we're seeing this high global incidence of dengue that doctors need to be on high alert for this here and the americas and countries in the americas because john so far this year and the year 2024, countries have reported more than 9.7 million cases. we're just in the middle of the year 2024, we're already at 9.7 million. that number is twice as many number of cases as we saw last year in 2023 when all

of 2023, we saw a total 4.6 million cases and john here in the united states, puerto rico already has issued a public health emergency because of dengue in puerto rico, more than 1,000 cases have been reported. and the cdc is also warning that were seeing an unusually high number of cases among us travelers, john, so far this year, 745 cases have been reported among travelers. so that's the situation that we're looking at and dengue itself, like you said, john, it is spread through mosquitoes. so to reduce your risk, you want to prevent mosquito bites. try to wear repellent to try to wear loose fitting clothing when outdoors, make sure you're windows have screens on them so mosquitoes cannot fly indoors. and the symptoms of this infection include aches and pain. it's very painful infection. some people experience akin behind the eyes. you may experience nausea, vomiting, or rash so if you do have any of these

symptoms, definitely call your doctor especially at a time like this, john, when we are seeing an unusually high number of cases and push your doctors to test for it. that's the thing. a lot of doctors in the continental united states don't know how to deal with it or don't believe it's here. if you feel these things push them exactly. jacqueline howard. thank you so much for being with us. >> all right. we are seeing levies failing and dams at total risk of collapse new developments and deadly flooding overnight. and american journalist evan gershkovich back inside or washington courtroom. and now looking different, you can see he has a shape we've had now the new outrage from us officials as his so-called trial begins debate in america as biden and trump meet and only cnn has complete coverage with unrivaled access and exclusive pre and post a beat analysis. >> follow cnn for every countless moment followed to debate night america tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. you know what's

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failed, prompting evacuation orders for people and communities along the little sue river. there's a lot going on still and it's kind of been relent analysts, cnn meteorologist allison chinchar is tracking all of this for us. it's still bad out there, allison and there's more rain on the way, which is the last thing. >> a lot of these areas want to hear. yes, when you look at the video, like you can see behind me of all of that water. the thing is where can it go even if it stops raining short-term, it's going to take a long time for that water to receipt and you've still got a lot of the creeks, rivers, and streams that are well above where they normally would be 21 it major flood stage 24 at moderate and over 60 and minor flood stage. now the thing is, we're going to start to see some improvements in some areas and then gradual increases in others. you've still got flood warnings, but notice most of them really we are lined up exactly with where there's rivers, creeks, and streams are the worst of the problem off to the north. these are the areas where over the next couple of days we should start to gradually see some improvement. but all of that water is going to continue to flow southward. and that means that a lot of

these other river gauges on the south side, the closer you get to st. louis are actually going to start to see numbers taking back take, for example, the mississippi river at st. paul still rising and not really expected to crest repeat until we get to this weekend, then we'll start to see things finally start to come back down. now getting some relief because that cold front finally starting to exit and slide a little bit farther south into the east, allowing a lot of these areas to dry out in the short term though severe thunderstorms expected today a across the northeast and even into the central us. but a lot of those other areas get more rain coming back into the forecast late thursday and into friday i'll send thank you very much. john. >> all right. knew this morning there was no evidence the message from us officials and moscow as the so-called espionage trial for detained us journalist's em or gershkovich began overnight. the state department says the wall street journal reporter has been wrongfully detained for more than a year. you can see right here he appeared in court with nearly totally shaved head or at least much shorter hair. the

trial is now expected to last month's cnn's hadas gold is here with the latest at us. >> yeah, john, this this trial is considered a state secret and that's why it's being held behind closed doors. and as you noted, no evidence has been presented yet, not only will the trial be behind closed those doors, but also evan will not have any of his family. he'll not have any of his friends. no embassy staff from the united states will be permitted to be in this trial and he faces some 20 years of potential prison if he is found guilty of these. what are really trumped up charges of espionage. now, we did see him today. he has a shaved head it's typical of russian prisoners. he's actually been moved from moscow to the city where he was originally arrested to face trial. the russians accused him so far without showing us any evidence that saying that he was committing espionage, collecting information for the cia on what they say was a military factory. now, evan, its family, the wall street journal, the us government, all say that these are absurd charges and that he was a

journalist doing his job, the u.s. government has accused the russians of engaging in hostage diplomacy. they say essentially saying that they arrested evan in order to use him later for prisoner swaps of some kind, the wall street journal, it has been very forceful about evans detainment, issuing daily updates every day of the more than 15 months that he has been in prison pretrial, he's been in prison for more than 15 months, counting the days that he has been wrongfully in-person, they say in a statement these an to say much even called a trial is unfair. they say that this trial will be held in secret. they say no evidence has been unveiled and we already know the conclusion that bogus accusations of espionage will inevitably lead to a bogus conviction for an innocent man who would then face up to 20 years in prison for simply doing his job. >> john 15 months and again, to call this a trial, as i was painting, this is a show and a bogus show. as you said, a hadas gold, thanks so much for being with us. us sarah, ready to continue the conversation and talk more about this. >> we have jason resign in an

opinion columnist for the washington post, who was imprisoned himself in iran for espionage while he was simply being a journalist there. jason, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we just heard from hadas gold that you know what this is going to look like? closed-door nobody from the embassy, no family, no buddy. there with him. that he knows and loves as this is all going down now that the trial is underway in russia, do you have any doubt about what this verdict will be? >> sara so many of the descriptors of the process that evan is being subjected two and has been subjected to for the last 15 months sound exactly the same as what i went through if you just sub out the name jason for evan and iran for russia it's almost verbatim what, what iran was, was saying about me so i think the verdict

is a foregone conclusion. i would urge people to focus their attention on the abuse of power and really the miscarriage of justice that this entire ordeal has been to evan, to his family, to the wall street journal, to journalists and into freedom loving people everywhere it's a journalist everywhere is a terrifying prospect that he was doing his job there and then suddenly is accused of espionage and is on trial for potentially going to prison for 20 years i am curious your thoughts on whether you think a prisoner swap at the end of this is the only chance that haven't has to get out of prison i think in the current state of relations between the u.s and russia and the reality that a growing number of authoritarian states, whether it be russia china, iran venezuela, and a handful of others have been relying on

this method of taking us or british, or canadian citizens hostage and leveraging them against our governments i do think that a prisoner swap is the likely outcome of of this situation and i urge the u.s government to do whatever they can to bring evan a fellow american journalist, alsu, croatia mover, who's been in prison for several months now. >> and paul whelan an american former military service person, who's been held for five years i do want to ask you as we look at these pictures of evan in that glass box he's shaven as they do in russia with suspects i want to ask you your experience and to give us some understanding of what evan is going through because you said if you just swap out the names and the country's very similar treatment, what was the hardest

part for you to get through and what would he be struggling with? so many things now for me, sarah, the hardest part was the not knowing how long this would go on and also having been a journalist for many years as evan has been not having the ability to defend myself, having my public voice strip from me something that i relied on and use in my work every day. but evan used every day. and now becomes the subject of a story and unable to the influence really in any particular way, how that story is written. so when you see evan in that glass box and you see him giving a knowing grand or holding up his hands and a heart sign. >> those are his ways of communicating to the outside world. >> and i am very much looking

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