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off the charts. new reporting tonight, just about 24 hours before tomorrow's presidential debate on biden strategy. the president looking for more opportunities to look directly into the camera during the 90 minute face off. the president leaning on a tried and true technique for him, one that advisors for him say it sent dial testing, quote off the charts and right now, i can tell you that the stage is set inside the podiums are in place for the current president and the former president. the two men will be standing just eight feet apart, much closer than any other time. they've debated. this is the first time that cnn is revealing the spin rooms to take a look at that top allies at both campaigns will be tomorrow night at room trying to say that their candidate one, but debate be up to 700, 800 people in that room because make no mistake. this is the most important event in the 2024 election so far. biden spending now he's six, the de at camp david in preparation for the debate, trump this afternoon meantime, called into what conservative online

channel discussing some of his tried and true favorite topics we have tremendous grads, but the people understand it, relieving an every poll that will leading every swing-state. >> the mug shot is the best it just beat elvis presley and franks not sure by a lot, by the way, leader by a lot. but that's the number one mug shot able type. it's really an amazing thing. it's going to be big and they say maybe the biggest, somebody said, this will be the highest rated show of all time. i said, don't tell me that. i don't want to hear the poles. of course, is show it a dead heat tonight, we are also learning the former president could be on the verge of announcing his vice presidential pick, even as early as this week at a debate or even the day after the debate at a rally that he will be hosting in the state of virginia. i want to start with kayla tausche. she is out front here in atlanta and kayla, i know you are just learning some major your details about how biden plans to do tomorrow

night, what he's going to say, what are you hearing erin the biden campaign has long argued that the electorate has been largely disengaged this cycle and to a certain extent, disillusioned and there's one method in particular, the president biden is expected do employ tomorrow to attempt to change that. >> and that is speaking directly to the voters, not to the moderators, not to donald trump, but looking through breaking through the so-called fourth wall of the camera, through the lens and into americans living room. there are two reasons why he's doing it. first, the president believes that all politics are personal, but second, it's also been wildly the effective for him in the pas improved dramatically when he did that, and that those so-called dial tests showed his favorite bility off the charts one person familiar with the data saying that during those moments let's people didn't view him as a lifelong politician. they viewed him as

human, and there was one moment in particular that stood out to voters then aaron, and that is when donald trump went after president biden's son, hunter 4, his various troubles and president biden looked into the camera and said that many american families were sadly familiar with addiction. and he said loves and is proud of and supports his son. that was the moment that people familiar with the campaign, then and that data, say stood out most to voters. so expect president biden to do this quite often tomorrow for one reason, in particular as well. and that is because the campaign's distilling the message to that donald trump is for himself joe biden is for you. they say, and that's why president biden is going to speak directly to them and amazing those just at that level of strategy of straight to the camera, that level of detail that they are at. alright, kayla, thank you very much. and everyone is with me here in atlanta. i want to start with the republican congressman adam kinzinger if seen you in many roles over the years. and here you are in a new role. you're taking a stand at it a significant way

today. you have just endorsing joe biden for president you know, just just for a moment when you hear kayla is reporting on him, looking straight to the camera, him connecting with people. when you think about where you were superstar republican congressman and now you're here. >> yeah endorsing joe biden. look, that's what's amazing is so what eight years ago i was called like a rising star in the republican party and i didn't change what i believed. i mean you grow up you a few views change, moderate a little bit, but i'm the same person. the party has slightly left me because it's not swearing allegiance to any kind of principles or policy anymore. it's all about swearing allegiance to one man who did his best to overthrow a legitimate election convinced a third of the american people that the election was stolen. and my two-and-a-half year old son deserves to be raised in a country with a throng of a democracy, as i've been raised. and so it was a no-brainer for me and i just want to emphasize what you just said. you said you haven't changed, right? so in other

words, the rising star, adam kinzinger, seen as future republican presidential candidate, is the same guy. yeah. seen joe biden? yeah, because the party no longer knows what it believes anymore. it's all based on what is somebody say at one moment? what does, what does donald trump say? i've refused to swear allegiance to a man, meiosis to the constitution. and again, to preserve this country in this democracy for my kid too, honore my grandfather who fought in world war ii. i believe the right thing he to do is to say, we may disagree on some policy issues with joe biden, but the most important thing is defense of this democracy. and as a conservative i'm, i'm, i'm committed to preserving this democracy now brad todd, obviously you're a republican strategist and we hear about trump maybe announcing is v pick tomorrow or the day after this, a guy who was seen as presidential candidate for the gop could be one day, not this gop but and many who are in his position, a few of them are now possible vp candidates. they went a very different way than adam kinzinger has gone. so do

you think that that's we're going to hear who that person is here in these next hours day. i do. i think that donald trump loves a big moment and he loves a big stage. and i think this is the biggest stage, perhaps in this campaign, this first debate is really important. i would be really surprised if we don't wake up friday morning and know and we might know during the debate tomorrow night would that surprise you because you're giving your giving a little bit of the quizzical, but car a look, i don't know if it surprises me a little bit. i think that the camp, first of all, donald trump's campaign staff or team deserves a lot of credit because they've actually kept the train on the tracks as well as it possibly could be susie and jason have done their best to try to contain donald trump. you hear that they're trying to contain him tomorrow if he is losing the debate, then yes, you we'll know who his vice presidential pick is. if he thinks he's owning the debate and you're able to see the structure of the debate benefit him. and when i say structure, i mean the mics cutting off no crowd, et cetera. then there's no way

that they're not going to write that cycle out. and so it's going to be, he has something in his back pocket in case things go off the rails, blame the moderators, blame the media, and then, oh hail, let's take back the cycle. >> the real struggle for both these candidates is to try to focus the race forward it's always hard. for a candidate who's this old to focus the race forward. and the very number one thing trump could do to focus the race forward is to talk about who might be next unless each unless he chooses another 70-year-old white man. well, first i want to say thank you for your leadership because i wish there were more people who picked country over party and you're former party, republican party. >> but thank that donald trump e joe biden is given it to him really leaning and talking to the american people, which i think joe biden will do and is really good at that, if ever, interacted with him one-on-one, which most americans don't get the chance to interact with the president. but if you do

one-on-one, that is when joe biden thrive. so if he can make the people who are watching that debate. so like he is in a conversation with them sitting at the kitchen table saying, i understand your struggles that could really work in his favor. and then donald trump will say o, a, b, or c is my, my vice presidential candidate. and you buy didn't to say, great, thanks for the news back to what i was saying because we're godless of who it is. he should use that same person to draw that contrast that they're not going to do what somebody sitting to. my left would do and that is stand up to donald trump and say the election was not stolen. and i believe i will go out on a limb and say he may be sitting to your left eye, doubt it actually is. although maybe maybe on your evolution but let me ask you, congress, wall street journal backing burgum. yeah. doug burgum for vice president. jd vance said earlier today that he'd be disappointed if not human, if you didn't admit it, be disappointed if you weren't selected which which way are you hearing? this could go and

these are an obviously you could have marco rubio could have someone else, but you've got a young future as you're talking about options. yeah. and then you have doug burgum, who is very different sort of choice for trump. >> doug burgum is trump's safe choice. he says choice. if he doesn't want to be overshadowed. and the thing that donald trump fears more than a fears nuclear war or anything is being overshadowed about you're going to say black women, go ahead so i think doug burgum, is that safe choice, but i can tell you, no matter what happens at the debate tomorrow, donald trump is going to be blaming somebody. he'll blame the moderator, so blame, i don't know the air conditioning, whatever it is because everything he does, he's a victim of yeah. and he's the recipient of aaron. can i say wednesday though about that bp the thing that makes jd vance of questionable candidate is that that's still a senate eat and where the senate is really in the balance. >> and yes, people say that ohio is a red state solid, red, solid red. but as then ohio and i'm telling you there's still

ways for a share at brown and for democrats to win in that state when you just look at some of the issues ohio when support. so that's like a role to take give that seat open. >> i wanted to comment. that's a good point. i wanted to comment just briefly on the vice presidential pick. i think doug burgum is a lot. it's very i like them personally, but it's a very stale pick. i think that donald trump chooses a wildcard that we're not talking about. i think he chooses sarah huckabee sanders or even if he really a serious about winning the white house chooses a nikki haley. i think we're going to see something that is going to shock the conscience i would also say this as a democrat, they're only vice presidential candidate. that gives me pause is marco rubio. that is the marco rubio, not jd vance or jd vance is a lightweight jd vance can contorno himself in the pretzels. he's addie africa. he fit sits, he doesn't stand for anything. kamala harris with literally shred him, shred burgum. marco rubio's formidable because he's been in the stove before he has. if marco rubio is able to talk to a spanish voters throughout the

country, not just in florida, but arizona, nevada it it becomes a problem. and marco rubio looks like the future of the country. the problem is marco rubio's ambition is probably not sexy to donald trump i think if he picks jd vance, if he's worried about shaping the republican party after he leaves he picks doug burgum league. he's worried about running the government if he wins, and he thinks marco rubio, if he's worried about winning the election those three personality wise, i think we can all pick option c, but everybody is from psychologically but everybody would have read it that if he chooses nikki haley this is a completely different race, right? yeah. i don't know if she take it, but i'll tell you one thing. we can actually maybe one thing i can guarantee is donald trump will not make the pick. that's the best for the party after he leaves because the party to him is not some thing that he believes and it's not policies that i believe it is a tool for him to gain power and drop these convictions again, i want to ask you about something. you are endorsing. joe biden over donald trump. you're calling

yourself a proud conservative. like i said, you're not saying you've changed your party. that's changed president biden responded to your endorsement. he said this is what putting your country before your party looks like. i'm grateful for your endorsement atom. now, there a major republicans have said they won't support biden or trump, right and they're not they're just not going where you're going. why did you feel it was so important to take that extra step? >> because i think when you say i'm not going to vote for trump, but i can't support biden it's it's honestly cowardice because what you don't want it, you're like, oh, i still want to be viable in the gop. look, i'm sorry. there are third third-party candidates in america. it's your right to vote form and a right somebody in, but it has really between donald trump and joe biden. and if you think donald trump is as dangerous as i do as people like mike pence has said he is then the difference is a policy difference with joe biden and policy we're going to debate these same things and 100 years, a thread on democracy is something that can really damage us now, to a point where we won't even have the luxury of debating policy differences

an ending that none of us, none of us at this table, right? who all live loving moments like this because of the debate and the conversation thank you all very much. and were as we are alive and the debate headquarters in atlanta, we're going to take you inside the debate hall and on the stage for the first time. so we're going to show you exactly what happens when one of the candidates tries to interrupt the other. everybody wants to know about this mic cutting off we're going to demonstrate it. plus breaking news, a dangerous attempted coup, soldier storming a presidential palace, armed vehicles taking up position in the streets. we have a live report on the ground ahead and it out front exclusive. and never before heard audio. trump talking about taylor swift i think she's beautiful very beautiful. >> i find are very good and there was a lot more beautiful where that came from. and we've got more from cnn's debate headquarters right here in atlanta debate like america as biden and trump meet. and only

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hall where president biden and former president trump will square off in just about 24 hours. the two campaigns have agreed to a set of rules that includes something that is actually never been done before. and a presidential debate, which is a muting of a candidate's microphone when it is not their turn to speak. and this is something that everybody is asking how it's going to work so we're going to answer that for you. feel mattingly, it's going to walk you through that and more from start to finish president biden will enter from the right side of your screen. president trump will enter the left side of your screen. the podiums are eight feet apart, directly across from them. the moderators, cnn's jake tapper and dana bash now a reminder, this is a television studio. there's no audience. candidates will have two minutes answer questions and one minute for responses and rebuttals. at the moderators discretion, there may be an additional minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses. so how does it candidate know how much time is left to speak attached to the cameras in the studio and in the candidates field of view of

the timing lights when the light show yellow, there are 15 seconds left and it candidates answer or response when the lights flash red, there are five seconds left, and when the display is solid red, the time is up at that point, the candidates microphone will be turned off and the other candidate will have their microphone turned on. my colleague victor blackwell has more on that. >> thank you, phil, if we go behind the podiums, you can see two green lights when they're on, they signal to the candidate. his microphone is on when the green lights are off, they settled to the candidate. his microphone is off now i want to give you a sense of what it will look like for viewers at home. if a candidate whose microphone is off interrupts the candidate whose microphone is on. so i'm standing, get one podium and i'll ask phil to come in and take the other podium. and so let's say i'm answering a question. my light is green and i'm speaking feels microphone is off and his green lights are not illuminated he's going to interrupt me as i'm speaking. and this is what it will sound like. my volume remains

constant while fills interruption can be difficult to understand let's try the opposite. >> my microphone is now on victors microphone is off and he's going to interrupt me. my volume remains constant while victors interruption can be done difficult to understand. acinus production team has shared this demonstration with the campaign's earlier today, and we're sharing it with you, our viewers, so everyone fully understands how tomorrow night will work. now, we should know by agreeing to participate in this debate, both campaigns and candidates have also agreed to buy by these rules, the cnn presidential debate there's live tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern all right. >> so now you've got the lowdown from viktor and fill. let's bring in tim pawlenty now the former republican governor of minnesota, and a presidential candidate in 2012, and andrew yang, the former democratic presidential candidate in 2020. all right, thanks so much to both of you i see you're inside, you're not hotline like me, so i'm glad i'm glad for that so andrew, you've actually squared off against biden and seven debates

during the 2020 primary, seven times. and you know, his strengths and weaknesses because of that so what do you think he needs to focus on at these final hours as he's about to go up against trump with no audience joe is i think a much better debater than people give them credit for erin because he's totally comfortable in his own skin. he knows what message he wants to deliver he seems very authentic and personable while he's doing it. for a lot of americans, it's going to be whether these candidates can maintain a sense of robustness and vitality and energy throughout the 90 minutes, i think that the spotlight is actually going to be on donald trump because most americans have not seen donald trump continuously for that long. they've just seen snippets here and there. sometimes social media clips but i genuinely think it's going to be more about but the energy they project rather than any specific phrase or message. >> and of course that right? i mean, people are looking for, for physical stamina and performance. and that's the

reality now govern, governor pawlenty, obviously, you did many debates as governor, three presidential debates as well and you know that biden has now done, i believe if i if i have it right, i said the top of the show six straight days at camp david doing mock debates from podium to try to replicate the experience of what he's going to feel like on that stage, trump has not, according to his team, done a single bit of that saying that debating is more of an attitude, more than anything else. governor, is that true? >> well, i think the approach to preparation in this debate reflects the style and the personality and the outlook of these candidates. joe biden has spent a lifetime in public service, steeped in issues he's been in the senate basically since his 20s and vice president and trump is intuitive is spontaneous and he's not really going to prepare. so you can have more than one style that could work, but i do think what you just described fits each of these two individuals and how they think, how they present and how they prepare andrew, i remember

at the at the debate that i did out in ohio, you made some i forgot exactly what the comment was. >> some now, maybe going against sorry about to say, but the point is you made one very memorable comment and i know that in so many of these debates that's what it comes down to write a kamala harris is that little girl was me. right? you get that moment. and i want to just play a few of yours from those different debates in 2020 here they are we need to do the opposite of much of what we're doing right now. and the opposite of donald trump is an asian man who likes math if you in the 2020 election, what would you say in your first call with russian president vladimir putin? well, first i'd say, i'm sorry, i beat your guy all right. >> now, andrew, here's the thing. those leinz, whether you had prepared them in advance and some of those that you couldn't have, right? there was a live audience and you could feed off of that. you could hear their reaction. you could know that they thought it

landed well, how much of a difference does it make when there is no one in the room, it's dead air, it's just two candidates and two moderators. >> it makes a big difference. aaron, i do think that typically trump feeds on an audience more than president biden. and so i think it's smart and 4, the president not to have an audience. i heard that in an earlier segment that joe may be addressing the country directly. one of the things that it does raise is that it's a challenge to have prepared message for. let's call it 60 seconds. that can go straight to camera. in this context. but i think that is a very worthy swing on the part of the president. i mean, the fact is we're having this debate in part because there needs to be some kind of dynamic shift or change its earlier than any debate we've ever had. and the reason for that, in my view is that the democrats want there to be some kind of catalyst. and that is, i think what we're going to see from the president tomorrow night interesting, i've also

thought with all the early increase in early voting to it's better to have it earlier. >> so as you want, you want it before people start voting. governor pawlenty, i don't know if you heard the former republican congressman adam kinzinger he endorsing joe biden. he says the party change that his see still a conservative and that but he believes that it is wrong to say as a republican, i can't vote for trump and i can't vote for biden and i just am wondering, i don't don't know where you are in terms of your preparation to talk about how you feel but how. do you respond to that as it republican governor, who ran for president, who's been through these debates, deeply believes in the system and the institutions of this country. do you agree with them? >> well, i certainly respect to adam kinzinger as a person, as leader and his service to our nation but as two endorsing biden, i'm not going to vote for biden. i might vote for trump. i voted for him in the past. i worry about trump. i have a lot of concerns about him and so i'm going to wait and see how this goes, but i am not going to vote, but yeah,

open minded. so you're watching tomorrow is an undecided voter well, i partially decided in the fact that i'm not going to support biden. >> i can tell you that, but i might support trump and i want to see what how he handled this in as we've talked before, i think a test for trump tomorrow is for persuadable voters can can he demonstrate that he's not going to be a total maniac? in other words, can you be somewhat measured ten or 20% better than he was last time? and i think having those mics cut off and the format you describe might actually help him andrew, how do you respond to that? >> because i know there's some people watching who may agree with governor pawlenty that they are open to vote being for trump. maybe they're open voting for biden or not. i'm putting that part of it out for a second. governor. but andrew, there are others who will say, how can you be a sane, thoughtful, moderate person and say what governor pawlenty is, just saying. do you understand where he's coming from again, i think that the spotlight really will be on donald trump tomorrow. >> and i think americans are going to be reminded as to some of the things they did not like

about trump unfortunately, americans have short memories and so they don't remember. i'm just suggest though tim trump hasn't gotten to ten to 20% more reasonable, he's just gotten ten to 20% older and looser and more maniacal adult. so i think that's what very good sea to tomorrow than a lot of folks are going to be coming off the fence. not in his direction. >> well, i'm very curious to see what happens. thank you both very much for your thoughtfulness, governor pawlenty, i appreciate your honesty in this, and i look forward to speaking with you afterwards and seeing what you think okay. >> thank you. all right. thanks to both of you. and for the next time, you for the first time, i'm sorry. you are looking at cnn's spin room and just hours, you're going to see all of the people, the allies of tren biden, they work the room. they tried to spin the debate and there are 700, 800 journalists who are going to be in that room we'll show you that next. and it out front exclusive tonight. never before heard audio tapes of donald trump going after kim kardashian if you're always a

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skyrocketed. it's been amazing and joining me right now from georgia, the atlanta mayor, andre dickens, and it's nice to see you in person and to be here and you're ball me city i mean, everywhere, i guess it's been we've got accustomed to it, new york in recent days. okay. what truck just said right there about the mug shot is the best thing since it happened, the support among the black and hispanic community has guy rocketed. how do you even respond to that? talking about as mug shot, it's disrespectful. i mean, it's disrespectful that he even he pretty much only sees black folks are hispanic folk as people with mug shots. he's trying to make a relationship between being a criminal are being convicted of he's got 34 counts that he was convicted of. he's a convicted felon and he's saying that that appeals to black folks and hispanic folk as disrespectful and tolerable. and that's the way he sees us and that's why people don't like them like that. >> so let me ask you then about what you think is happening when we look at in georgia by photos helped biden got biden

over the top. right. and we all know 10,700, but we know the present margin in georgia. okay? but in the latest polling, last time in georgia, biden had 88% of black voters here in your state. now we have 66% i mean, do you think the polls are just not right or what do you think is driving that? >> yeah, i don't think the polls right now really indicate that true sense of what people are going to do on election day i think that folks are distracted right now. we have a lot going on as we get closer to this election, people will be making a stark contrast between two individual that couldn't be more different. and so black people going to show up for joe biden just like they did in 2020. and we're going to have that more than 11,000 votes being his favor. >> so i want to ask you about something now it's trump's said he said he was tortured at the fulton county jail. that's the word he used. and he sent a fundraising email out this week which criticize how he was treated there. it said, mayor, i want you to remember what they did to me. they tortured me in the fulton county jail and all caps took my mug shot

what's your response to that? i mean, again, this fulton county yeah. this is just as your system and this is what he's saying yeah. >> i mean, trump went to jail because he was arrested for crimes that he did. and then eventually he's been convicted in new york and he will face sentencing. he will face judgment in the state of georgia. but when he came into the jail, my understanding he was only there for a little while. he could've been tortured. this is another sense of him being exaggerated exaggerating what has happened to him. and i mean, this is the type of thing that we get with him, more allies, exaggeration, and he thinks he's appealing to people with that. but in true yeah, it being revealed that he's a liar. >> so may i was looking up here because i wanted to get the number. so larry sabato kind of long time, respected political analysts out there. so it looks at the trends he has just switched your state from toss up to lean republican and right now, latest polling trump leads

biden by five points in georgia that's obviously huge. that's a huge margin enjoy the concert do you think that that polling is ron, do you think larry sabato is wrong or or do you think it's just there's just still enough time for biden to turn that around. yeah. >> respect the work of posters, no doubt. but i also respect that the people of georgia are going to make a clear choice and what happened last time when we went blue we continue that blue streak from biden to warnock and ossoff. and then again to war or not. so we are solidly a swing state. and in my opinion, we will elect a reelect. joe biden, the be president. >> so what do you need biden to do though? yeah, so turn this around because mostly not going the direction you would want it to go. yeah, i think tomorrow night here in atlanta on this stage, you're going to see that joe biden is going to tell the american people what he's doing and what he plans to do going forward. >> and you're going to see the stark contrast between him and former president trump, who is a convicted felon trying to run for president again, that's going to be all about revenge. and supporting the ultra-rich

instead of looking out for the little guy and the rest of american life, joe biden, his door, murder gets, i'm glad to see you in person and thank you so much. >> good to be here at your city. all right. and tonight for the very first time here on outfront, we are going to bring you inside that debates spin room. it's where hundreds of dermis from around the world will gather for tomorrow's debate. and it's where biden and trump allies will work the room and claimed their candidate one mark preston is there in that very roman mark, of course, i'll be there tomorrow watching the debate along with nearly 1,000 other journalists. so what are we actually going to see there? who's gonna be in the room? >> well, first of all, erin, i'm sitting here at the center court, mccamish pavilion. talk about unbelievable for someone my age who loves georgia tech basketball, but i got to tell you what this place tomorrow. as you said, close to 1,000 journalists are going to be here from over 173 different countries. are there going to be here on this floor? they're going to be up here broadcasting live from all

these different booths. now, 35 countries represented that are interested in the presidential debate we talked about how much interest there here is in the united states. but we're also seen it all across the country, erin, i'll tell you what let me show you your home for tomorrow. this is where we're going to see all the spinning happen, certainly on our ir, aaron all right. >> and we're gonna i mean, it is amazing. you see it now. and you know what it's going to feel like it's gonna be sitting room only on a source here. so many people. all right, it's high and crowded oh, great, great. >> just like out here, although it's not crowded out here in it, but the hot. alright, thank you and next and outfront exclusive here with trump pass to say about taylor swift in newly released audio tonight, about her looks enter politics plus he news a dangerous coup attempts, soldier storming a presidential palace, armored vehicles descending on the capitol will show you the coo

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and talks about our politics with variety editor-in-chief, rem institute what do you think about taylor swift the most one of the most famous pupil right now? yeah, i think she's beautiful. very beautiful. i find her very beautiful. i think she's liberal she probably doesn't like trump but i hear she's very talented but i think she's very i think she's a very beautiful actually unusually beautiful five times beautiful. and just those few seconds remains to today is interviewed trump, and he's out front and i know that you spent more than four hours over the course of six different interviews talking with them, you have the tapes all for your new book, apprentice in wonderland so taylor swift, obviously he railed again and stir for endorsing biden at a meeting with republicans on capitol hill he he seems to have a real

focus on her an obsession with her. tell me more about it. >> it's interesting. thank you for having me on it's interesting because in this audio clip, we have an intersection of two of the things that matter most to donald trump theme, which taylor swift is one of the most famous people on the planet and his perception of beauty. and i think even donald trump knows that taylor swift is so famous that he can't go up against her even though she didn't endorse him in 2020 and so you hear him kind of trying to negotiate what to say about her. and later on in the clip, i've been asked if he's familiar with taylor's music and he says no, but this is his way of trying to say that he likes taylor swift in the hopes that somehow taylor swift will like him back it's interesting because he was so angry. remember all that conspiracy theory about the super bowl, all of those things. and now he has come around to it was so fascinating and then interview just going back to the word beautiful, because that's the one word that he knows he could use. and he was able to say about her different story though with kim kardashian get invited her to the white house

in 2020. and you also spoke about her with him. here's part of what he told you remain i was disappointed in kim with kim, i did a lot of prison reform that she couldn't get done with anybody else well, let people out of prison that i thought would deserving to be let out and then after it was a lover, she announced that she is not supporting me. >> she said and she only did that to be cool in hollywood so remain in that conversation how do you think he really felt? i mean, he could have been much nastier about her, obviously. but, he took he took a hit there. do you think he genuinely feels she betrayed him? >> absolutely. i think he feels wounded that he invited can kardashian to the white house, and then she went on social media after joe biden with declared the winner in 2020 and posted three heart emojis on her social media to support the biden harris administration. he was fixated on that in the early days after he left the white house so how do you think he's obsession with ratings is

going to play into his debate performance tomorrow night. >> i know you've been busy day. i don't know if you heard he gave an interview with the conservative online outlet on the bottom from line of it was it's could be the highest rate of thing ever, but don't tell me that is if i guess making some sort of a joke that that mike vim nerves, but he's obsessed with the ratings here. >> i saw that. i think one of the conclusions of my book after interviewing donald trump six times after he left the white house, is that donald trump is a performance artist and he takes all the things he learned as a reality star on the apprentice. and he's filtering that through his viewpoints as a politician. he is obsessed with ratings and always was. and for him, ratings translates to pull numbers, which translates to popularity, which translates to him getting people's attention. so i think tomorrow night donald trump is going to want to put on a show to entertain people. and he's not actually interested in policy or governing, or legislation. he just interested in making good dv how did you get a feel from him about how concerned de is about his celebrity or his frankly, even is mortality at this point in the election the thing that matters to him first and foremost are celebrities.

he's completely fixated on them. a lot of our conversations focused on celebrities. he talked about all the different people that were one at one point nice to him and then not even mentioned you, aaron l1 at one point, given that you were on the apprentice and as a journalist, as cnn, he felt that your coverage wasn't that favorable. >> all right. well, thank you very much. i appreciate it. remain i hope everyone will take a look at your book. apprentice in wonderland. thank you. thank you, aaron next, breaking news, a major cu attempted soldiers trying to seize control from a democratically elected president. we are live with the details next, and a special report on the debate moments that upended presidential campaigns let's see i can the third one i can. sorry liberty mutual customize my car i'm sure it's and i saved hundreds with all the money i saved thought i'd by still see many look no line at the hotdog stand. >> only pay for what you need

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what more are you able to tell us about the coup? >> well, just on a roller coaster, several hours today, as the former head of the bolivian military his frustration with the democratically elected president of bolivia, boiling over, spilling over after he lost his job. and he loved lead this group of soldiers with the armor armored personnel carriers, trying to ram open the door of the presidential palace with one of those armored cars, soldiers with their faces covered heavily armed, surrounding the presidential palace. but, but here's the thing. aaron, the president of bolivia, not backing down going face-to-face, are going with this alleged coup leader and that's led to the moment where the new head of the military coldly soldiers to go back to their barracks, they followed through on that order. finally eventually leaving this square where a standoff where the future of this country seem to be at stake. and then in the last several minutes, we have learned that the alleged coup

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from cnn headquarters in atlanta tomorrow night history will be made here. president biden and former president trump will square off on the debate stage and the list of berlin lives attached to it, is long. it'll be the earliest general election debate ever by a lot the second earliest, 1980 took place in late september. it is the first debate between a president and former president, first, with the convicted felon. in addition, there's a good possibility the supreme court will rule tomorrow morning on the former president's claim of criminal immunity for his actions surrounding january 6, meaning that by tomorrow night it'd be anywhere from that much closer to another criminal trial to off the hook entirely, which is quite a backdrop, but no less significant than the state's for both men there's no clear leader in our latest poll of polls and there's been no shortage of dissatisfaction for months now with both candidates. tomorrow night will be a chance for them to reach millions of voters at once in the hour ahead, we're going to take a look at how they've been preparing for the moment