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square off on the debate stage and the list of superlatives attached to it is long. >> it'll be the earliest general election debate ever by a lot the second earliest, 1980 took place in late september. it is the first debate between a president and former president. first, with a convicted felon. in addition, there's a good positive ability. the supreme court will rule tomorrow morning on the former president's claim of criminal immunity for his actions surrounding january 6, meaning that by tomorrow night, he could be anywhere from that much closer to another criminal trial to off the hook entirely, which there's quite a backdrop, but no less significant than the stakes for both men there's no clear leader in our latest poll of polls and there's been no shortage of dissatisfaction for months now with vocal enervates, tomorrow night will be a chance for them to reach millions of voters at once in the hour ahead, we're going to take a look at how they've been preparing for the moment. we'll explore the different challenges they face and the unique problem that incumbents have had during their first let's debates first though, cnn's mj lee and kristen

holmes, the latest from inside both campaigns, mj, what more you learning about what president biden wants to accomplish them are nine well, anderson, if you put all of the policy issues aside for a second, there's one specific category of incoming from donald trump that the as it is preparing for embracing 4. >> and that is personal insults that are directed not only at the president of members of his family as well, i'm told by one biden adviser that at these debate prep sessions at camp david in recent days something that the president has been reading for the potential insults and attack that are thrown his way, aimed at specific members of his family. and this adviser wouldn't elaborate. this is obviously a very sensitive issue, but something that is of course still very frehse for the biden family is the news from earlier this month that his son, hunter biden, was convicted on three separate felony gun charges a saga that has been incredibly deeply painful for the entire

biden family. and what is incredible is that the president has already experienced donald trump going after his son, hunter biden. this was back in the september for 2020 debate when president trump said that hunter biden had been dishonorably discharged for using cocaine. from the military to be clear, he was administratively charge, which is different. he also mocked a hunter biden, if you'll recall, saying he couldn't get a job until president biden had become vice president. so the defense, if you also remember that president biden gave at the time, but saying, look, yes, like a lot of american families are families. one that has dealt with the problem of addiction, but i'm proud of my son and i love my son. eighth had said at the time that that ended up being actually one of the most resonant moments coming out of the debate. but i think all of this just goes to show the biden team's broader strategy of trying to prepare for anything and everything. but donald trump might throw his way thursday night and

creusa understand, you have some reporting on this from the the trump team as well yeah. >> interesting. we've actually heard donald trump, but even as recently as last week, say that he believes the hunter biden and his legal issues, we're actually going to come up in the debate and likely he means because he would bring them up. we know this is something that he often brings up at rallies at various events. and even with donors talking about hunter biden, talking about his legal issues, linking it back to president joe biden. i have talked to a number of people in trump's orbit who are hoping that he stays away from this line of attacks. they understand that donald trump himself can be increasingly he nasty, that he tends to go very, very personal. obviously, president biden from mds reporting is preparing for that. but what they are hoping he does is stays awake from that. instead, focuses just on their messaging. they want donald trump to show up at the debate on thursday and focus on a contrast between his former

ministration and that of joe biden's, particularly when it comes to the economy and inflation prime and immigration. if you look at all the recent polling, that's what they're going off. it shows the donald trump the head with voters on those issues. they don't want him to dive into personal attacks, non-stop. now, obviously, bot is going depend on what happens on that stage thursday, they cannot control that, but what they are hoping and telling him to do that is best options are to stay on message and focus on the issues. >> all right. kristen holmes, mj lee, thanks so much with me here tonight. republican geoff duncan, the former lieutenant governor of georgia, who announced today he is now supporting president biden. cnn, senior political commentator, former trump campaign adviser, david urban, former atlanta mayor kitchen lands bottoms, who's joining the biden campaign it's a senior adviser, also former obama senior adviser, david axelrod and cnn chief national correspondent, john king. obviously, david axelrod, did you have a lot of experience with president obama in debates, you know, joe biden as a debater. do you expect him to try a trump to try to get under

biden's skin with family? i do like expecting to try and distract and one of the interesting questions to me is the mics are gonna go off when your time is up. it doesn't prevent trump from continuing to talk and try to just trying to distract the podiums are eight feet apart. i don't know if that means sound is picked up. i think well, i don't think it's i mean, i saw a demonstration right? cnn earlier today, it's in sound like it was being picked up so it actually could be an odd seen if the president is responding to things that people can hear. but in any case, i do think that they're imperatives for both these guys and for joe biden, the impairing but it is clearly to be engaged, active, and i think on the offense and not on the defense. and for trump the question is for biden, can he control the event the question for trump is, can he control himself? the first debate last time was a disaster for trump because he was interrupting and he was up noxious. and i think he knows it and it's advisors

know it and they say he's not gonna do it again. but as mike tyson one said, everybody has a plan until they're punched in the face. so we'll see how he responds to provocation john, i look i would say that anytime spent at hunter biden is going to be viewed in most of the country as a waste of time now, the trump based would love it. >> the trump based with absolutely love it. he has to trump base. if donald trump steps on that stage, worried about the trump voters, he's already lost. he, he doesn't have to worry about them. he has them. that's why he has a slight lead this race. so what is the point you're gonna make about 100 biden, that's going to address any of your weaknesses or four to fight your strengths, right? he is ahead and polling right now in the economy it on immigration. what can you say about this issues to talk to the american people to say, you want me not him, you've had three-and-a-half years of him. you want me he has giant weaknesses. he needs to help, but this state these two can talk about a lot better than i can is changing by the minute, becoming a more diverse, more suburban, more college college-educated state. that's donald trump's kryptonite. that's why he lost georgia in

2020 because they does he have the character? what about january 6? what's your commitment to democracy? that's what they want to hear him talk about. they want to see if he's learned any lessons. they don't want to hear him talk about hunter biden and the precedent has a giant challenge. he's an incumbent president of the country that's very unhappy with the direction we are heading. so number one, he has to put on a vigorous performance to quiet any doubts about his age or at least turn the volume down on those doubts about his age. but i would argue most importantly from my travels he has to look the american people in the eye and talk about cost of living in a way that is relevant to them. i say cost of living because people are talking about rent. they're talking about my house is worth a lot more money than when i bought it and i actually refinance at a good rate. i'm great, but i've had a kid or two since then, but i want to buy a bigger house, but i can't because all the prices have gone up and the mortgage rates have gone up. groceries are still high in a lot of biden's supporters complain about supermarkets sticker shock. sometimes gets defensive. it says the numbers are good, the numbers are better. the economy's great that's the wrong strategy. people don't feel that they should focus on or to find

their strengths and addressing. they both have glaring weaknesses. hunter biden to me 60 voters, i've talked to in ten states, they would view it as a waste when you're an incumbent. and there's 65% or 70% of people say the countries on the wrong track, you do not want the election to be a referendum. you want to make it a choice that has to be the imperative for the president what are you expecting their bottoms? >> yeah, i think this election will be about not just the future, but it's going to be about the past. then we are in a different situation here because we've got a guidance this president before i was mayor while he was president, it was a pretty traumatic experience and i think people need to be reminded. i think it's human nature for us to try and move on from farm trauma. but 2020, the pandemic the way he talked about injecting people with bleach charlottesville, they're good people on both sides appointing three supreme court justices who have now overturned roe v.

wade. and i can go on and on and on. i think we have to remind people that, but also reminded people of how this administration has delivered and how it will continue to look to deliver going david urban, one of the disadvantages president biden has now is that people need to be two her point, people need to be reminded of things president biden, prisoner the president said, no, no, said 44 years ago, as opposed to things that biden has done now john, david and the mayor make a good point, right so president biden has record this time. he didn't have a record to run on. you've never record to be attacked and those first two debates, president trump totally did not do a good job in the first debate in 2020, the second debate, he reported himself very well by all accounts, probably one, no one was tuning in if that donald shows up tomorrow night here and addresses those issues like john says, if he comes out and says, listen, i'm gonna park pardon hunter biden, which i'd love to see right so i'll pardon hunter biden. i think that'd be a really wise move on his part. said like just

like me, hunter biden would have been prosecuted if his name wasn't biden. if i would have been prosecuted by boys donald trump. so i'm gonna i'm gonna see through this. i'm going to remove this shenanigans. i'd love for you to do that. that's how you bring up his name and look a passionate i think you talk about those kitchen table issues that people in america, despite joe biden's best efforts to fight everyone, a white house trying to sell their accomplishments people in america don't buy it poll after poll after poll to david's point, wrong track, right? he's an unpopular inflation's too much, everything's too expensive. the rent is too high. nobody cares about at democracy, nobody cares about these bigger issues where you can't fill up your gas tank and send your kids at summer camp. that's what i think is going to be on the on the debate stage tomorrow. if trump could focused on that, he gets a w, the geoff, i mean, you are a lifelong republican, you and congressman to m. kinzinger and other republican this morning endorse president biden after endorsing him last month, there's morning. or you endorsed him, i guess last last month. the two of you appeared

at a biden campaign event and one of the things you said you said, let's take the next four years is republicans and build and heal a new party, a gop to 0.0 how can president biden appeal to more people like you? >> well, first of all, welcome to georgia, the home of the safest faris, the most legal elections in the country we can prove it and we have proved it and the answer to that question is donald trump's in a box, 45% of this country loves to hear what he says. but it's appalling to the rest of the country. there's really no opportunity for him to build a bridge that 10% in the middle that actually are paying attention that care that are trying to come to grips as a republican, lifelong republican, they're trying to come to grips with showing up in vote for a democrat for the first time. i think joe biden has a better opportunity to do that as john talked about this economy, this is the tale of two stories. some people wake up and this is the worst economy they could possibly imagine trying to afford a house a rant, or groceries. some folks are waking up and this is a golden time for them. therefore, when k's are overflowing their houses, their jobs are secure i think

president biden has to extend an olive branch to those folks in the middle and talk with a very high articulate voice as to where the economy, because if you're one of those folks sitting on a bunch of assets, you don't want somebody to rip the scab off really quickly and change the deflection. but if you can't afford groceries to the $20 to that point, he has to admit that he's got a problem, right? i think that's the olive branch. i think we have to talk about spending in a way that says donald trump's been $8 trillion. we didn't have. and he's a fake republican for doing that. elections. this is one place where i have to thank a little bit of exception with my friend, the mayor. i don't think elections are about the past elections are about the future. and i think where the president has to go is bring that sort of famous empathy of his talk about what people are going through, but also talk about what he's doing and what trump would do talk about what he's doing, the lower health care costs and then trump won in decommission the affordable care act, talk about what he did to lower prescription drugs and what trump wants to do without talking about the fact that he wants to cut taxes for working families who have

children while trump wants to give another big tax cut, 2 billionaires. i mean, there are on issue, after issue, there are comparative about what the future would look like with these two candidates, joe biden has to go in there with that mindset. he did it for years go, but it's easier when you're challenger we've got to pick this up after a short break. we're gonna have more with the team ahead time much on a much more on how each man is preparing are some more polling which only raises the stakes for president biden tomorrow night and how the last biden-trump debates affected the unique rules on this one with moments like this my question to you, i can i just want one thing what is ten seconds, mr. president can check and go political statement with a laugh on me a mess with so many choices on booking.com, there are so many tina phase i could be. >> so i hired body doubles to help me out splurge 18 loves a hotel near rho day you drive

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now, the difference this time in early debate and a chance to change minds back now with the panel, i mean, with a job approval rating like this, obviously the president has his job cut out for him you can expect to sorry is it possible sure. will it happen? it's got to get above 40. i would argue he's got to get to 243. and if he gets up against a four, if he can get 245 linemen job. that's the problem. that's the problem. he's below 40 because he's underwater on the big issues. he's underwater on the economies, underwater on the border. he's underwater on the things people care most about right now. and so what can he do to change? it's this dynamic that's hard and one night this is a huge night. he has a chance to do it. it's hard. i just one other point he said 38% approval rating. he said in the mid 30s to high 30s and some of the battleground states like nevada you as an incumbent president to be in the 30s. that's telling you something that tells you the american people want a new car and they're shopping very aggressively for something new the other point? geoff just

made the point. donald trump's got 45%. he can't grow. bill clinton one was 43% because the third party candidate matter that year guy named ross perot, the third party candidates are not going to be at this debate, but they mattered this year. trump can win at 45 and 46 and some of these states, if the third candidates stay anywhere near the numbers they're at right now. biden does have a tendency to want to do deep dives on things he has done all president's fed wanted. >> that is the curse of the incumbent president incumbent president show up these debates. they want, they know a lot. they wanted to fight, defend their record. we know that he is he a his app to do that too? talk about how strong the economy is to talk about other elements of this, they need to pull all that wiring out. that's he needs to engage with where people's minds are at and talk about the future and what he's trying to do to help them rather than history will judge you after the fact, right? now, you gotta go after

voters. >> but what we're looking at polls, which are snapshot in time, we know 2020, he was down in the polls for biden was down then moles and we know how that turned out. he does have a record to run on and he can talk about what he's going to do going forward. 15 billion of let me make sure i had this number right. 15 million jobs created, lowest unemployment rate and 50 years capping the insulin costs for seniors. that's a really big deal. and then opportunity to build on these things the american people aren't looking at, at a new car. it donald trump he's a us card that we've driven before, but it wasn't a good ride. that's a great point then what makes this race unique is that if i truly believe right now, if there were mainstream republicans, somebody a former lieutenant governor would just endorsed the democratic president could endorse that you'd have a much different race. we would not have a static race in a with 38% approval rating. the presenter these are biden would be behind by a lot more than he's behind right now. however, you make the case, and there are a lot of good numbers and the

president in a very tough environment of washington has passed some incredible achievements. republicans might not like them, but they're big achievements. they create jobs, they put money into the climate, they build roads and bridges. the american people don't feel it. that's my point when you travel the country, they're not aware of it is going to be determined by a group of folks that don't like almost every one of joe biden's policies or a majority of those policies, but they just are going to have to wake up and feel like he's a safer option to keep the trains on time as a country to keep us safe, focus on the big issues, but that's the whole point to the gop to point out, i think we have to vision cast the biden campaign has the vision cast into this group of i don't know, call it 1,020 million republicans that are disgruntled like i am and adam kinzinger and others, and vision cast to say, look, you're fastest pathway to success for gop to 0.0 is to beat donald trump right here, right now, don't sit on the couch, don't don't skip the election because you just can't hold your nose and vote for democratic show up, vote, make a difference right here, right now, that ten minutes million audience that happens, then i think you overcome those days. >> i just don't i don't see it. i mean, driving around

pennsylvania, drive around four to john's been there you show me those hundred thousand republicans there on that bubble, pennsylvania race is going to be 50 to 75,000 votes either way, right? that's what it's going to be this race feels a lot more like 16 that it did 20. madam mayor, i was on the ground and 16 and pennsylvania and 20 pennsylvania. 24. this feels a lot like 16. now, my question to you and you're out there, so you know, my question is okay. >> but are they up for the mayor mentioned some pharmaceutical prices and the $35 insulin, or they up for repealing that because that's what trump has proposed. are they up for another 2 trillion now what i guess before trillion-dollar tax cuts for billionaires and, and, or would they like help with childcare, right? dated but i don't know if anyone's going to have joe biden is going to make that point, right? donald trump's get to walk he's going to say no tax on tips mike drop, right? that's a catchy phrase. it's going to be all over the internet friday morning. i promise. all right. thanks, everybody coming up. what we

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left. >> would you listen who is on your list? you this is done, you can. i think pack the debate quickly went off the rails more, neither candidate pulling any punches. >> did you use the word smart? you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. don't ever use the word smart with me. don't ever use that word your tax, i paid 38 million in dollars one year. i paid 27. michelle attacks as the two debated taxes and the economy biden, let loose. >> the worst, whereas america has ever had and after a portion of the debate focused on race this is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, racist division. >> he raises before it was over, trump issued what sounded like a warning if the election didn't go his way, what have i see? tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated? i can't go along with that at their second debate, just weeks

before election day in 2020, the two faced off on dozens of issues, including health care immigration, and again, race. >> trump tried to blame biden for failing to solve the problem of systemic racism after decades in office, you, joe i ran because of you. i ran because of barak obama because you did a poor job. if i thought you did a good job, i would've never run trump also tried to defend his own record on race. >> i am the least racist person. i can't even see the audience because it's so dark but i don't care who's in the audience. i'm the least racist person in this room. >> abraham lincoln here is one of the most racist prejudice we've had in modern history. this guy has a dog whistle about as big as a foreign core. keep in mind at their first debate when trump was pressed to denounce a white supremacist group that has openly endorsed violence. >> he stonewall goal and give me a name, give me like medic and proud let's stand back and

standby on immigration. biden zeroed in on the hundreds of migrant children who had been separated from their parents at the us-mexico border, what happened? >> parents were ripped, their kids were ripped from their arms and separated. and now they cannot find over 500 of sets of those parents and those kids are alone. nowhere to go. nowhere to go. it's criminal. >> trump's on opening and fired back. >> they are so well taken care of there in facilities that were so clean. some of nine but just ask one question. who built the cages with just hours to go until cnn's presidential debate, trump and biden are one once again, sharpening. they're leinz never said that i should, he did some made it up. oh, really here are really here's randi kaye, cnn, new york it's stressful even watching a joining us is tebor troy who, among his many senior roles in the second bush administration,

prepared the debate books for both bush and cheney in 2000 4 back with this, as well as david axelrod david, i know one moment. >> in particular stood out from that first debate. one reference and randy's piece and i just want to play again did you use the word smart so you said you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of your college. you didn't go to delaware state, you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class, don't ever use the word smart with me. don't ever use that word what was it about that moment for you were to lean nasty. i think it really landed badly with people, obviously, joe biden had been vice president the united states. he was up there and he was mixing it up pretty effectively with trump and so that that's the whole, that whole performance seemed like a church kid and it really it really hurt trump. that is what he has to resist in this debate. there was a focus group where some guy who voted for

trump for several, both times so i don't know if i can vote for again, the moderator as to why i said it's because living with trump as president is like having a neighbor with a leaf blower that he, he runs 24/7. you never get any rest trump has to dial that down and focus on his case. or he will hurt himself again. >> tebor, what are you expecting tomorrow? because any both these men now are four years older than the last time they debated yeah i agree with david that trump was nasty last time and it hurt him and i actually think there are three reasons why trump may have more of an advantage this time, first, biden is older, you can see it. >> and in his debate prep, it may, he may get overwhelmed reagan in 1984 was overwhelmed by his debate advisers. and one point he even said to david stock who is playing walter mondale, will you shut up, which is what remember what biden said to trump in 2020 so he might get overwhelmed. another thing is trump has been more disciplined if you can believe it in this campaign and

in 2020, he didn't listen to his debate advisers. and then third is there is a history of incumbent presidents being cocky in their first debate. and losing the first debate has happened to obama and 12 reagan in at 4 ford and 76 carter and 80. it's a recurrent thing and sometimes the presence are just not ready to go mix it up with someone the first time. >> and david, i mean, you were with obama in 2012, you knew about the problem we have convince and yet even then, he did badly enough. yeah. now i will say i think we over we did over prepare them. we yielded to his desire for a lot of material and we gave them a lot of material and he was preparing as if it was a supreme court argument. and that was mistake. but i'll tell you something. ron klain was leading that debate prep and raina's as experienced think as good, as good as anyone. he know. he's lived that biden by the way. he is reading this debate prep leading. biden's debate prep. i think that they know exactly what the trap is and they're going to work very, very hard on trying to

disabuse them of the notion to do that, and to focus instead on his case and the case is that he's working for people and their future. trump is a guy was consumed by himself and vengeance and retribution. and that's going to help anybody. >> tebor of the things that's so fascinating about these debates and particularly this one is no matter what the preparation is there are so many unknowns and so many different ways this could go depending on what version of each of these two men show up on the stage that night yeah, that's absolutely right. >> it's like athletes in any sporting event. you don't know what they're going to be like on game day. trump was given advice in 2020 to lead biden do the talking and that he would maybe hang himself with too much rope there. but that's not what happened because trump just couldn't let it go. he thought that if he pressed bite off because of biden's age, biden would melt down and that's just not going to happen. you can't count on your, on your opponent melting down in these situations i want to play a moment when that

president biden were told by the reporting from mj lee that he may be preparing for any attacks on his family. this is a moment when kennedy biden defended his son, hunter hunter got thrown out of the military. he was thrown out dishonorably discharged. that's not true. what does it use? and he didn't have a job until you became vice president what do you not have that pressure. he made a fortune in ukraine, in china, and maza simply areas of the players, he might sign, which in general is son. and he didn't have a son like a lot of people like a lot of people we know at home had a drug problem. he's overtaken it he fixed it, he's worked on it, and i'm proud of them. >> david xr, what do you make that moment? >> well, look, i think that moment landed well, biden's response landed well later in the second debate. this came up, i think it was in the second debate, and he flatly

denied the whole laptop story that this was hunter's laptop and bought into to the notion that this was a russian operation and so on, that could come back in this debate and you've heard some of the trump surrogates suggesting that trump might ask him about that. so trump may come back to them. dave urban said earlier is something to that, i think that the biden people had to be alert to trump may come at him on hunter in a completely different way, which let's just say, i think he got a raw deal on this gun saying i don't think that he deserved that. and i don't understand how you could not pardon your own son david rohde tabby, troy. >> thank you very much. up. next we go to the debate stage itself, or john berman there walkers through the all new format tomorrow night of your idea yes sleep at night on a mattress for mattress firm i sleep at the july 4th sale, say $500 on tebor mattresses, and get a $300 instant gift, get

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growing at neutrophil.com laura coates live week nights at 11 eastern on cnn i'm not here to call out his lies. >> everybody knows he's a liar, but i just want i want to make sure that you are did last thing it last time. first i want to make sure. can you let him finish, sir? he didn't know how to do that well, the new format tomorrow night is designed to prevent that kind of constantly interruption while candidates are trying to answer the moderators, it's one of many new format changes. >> john berman joins us now from inside the debate hall. so john how's it work and what's, a, what's a light? >> well, 24 hours from now and a few minutes, anderson, you're going to have a president and a former president's sanding on the same stage, pretty close to each other. >> these luck turns are just eight feet apart. i can basically touch them at the same time with my arms out president biden will be standing over for here on the right side of your screen. he

won the coin flip. he chose this side. president trump will be standing former president trump will be standing right over here. and the moderators, dana bash and jake tapper, they're going to be right here facing the candidates. and that's it. that's pretty much the only people in the room besides the technical crew here? no audience at all. and that's a change. now the candidates will be able to bring know pads and pens, but no notes as it were, they had to be blank when they get here. they can each bring water. they have to stand up for the whole debate. there will be two commercial breaks where the candidates get a break, but they can't talk to the campaign staff. i suppose they could talk to each other, although that might be a little bit awkward the way the question-and-answer stuff is going to work here, anderson, the moderators will ask a question, candidate a will get two minutes to respond. candidate b gets a one-minute rebuttal than canada in a gets a one-minute response to that at any point, the moderators, jake and dana, they can ask a follow-up question a minute

long, press a little bit further again, and then it will go back and forth between the two candidates with that kind of time frame. >> and how do candidates, you know how much time is left to sue's to speak? what what did they actually see that's a great question. let me show you it's a little dark in here because the crew has been setting up all day and they don't have all the lights on, but on every camera. and really throughout the entire studio, there are lights like this one right here when there's 15 seconds left for the candidates that will light up yellow when there's five seconds left, it will start blinking red. and when time's up, anderson, it goes to full red. and when it goes to full read, the microphone turns off their microphone will no longer be on, and that's a big change from before, yes, the candidates are a little bit close to each other. you might be able to pick up some sound on the other person's mic, but by and large, when you're done, when time's up, your

microphones off, it's the other candidates turn to speak so i'm that really is the first. the mic actually shuts off. it's not somebody waiting to make a decision whether it's urine off of my get, it shuts off when the red light is fully on the candidates have agreed to these terms. the strict time limits when your time is up and you've been warned with a yellow light, a blinking red light, and then a full red light. time is up and you will no longer be heard. you'll be a little bit far away. you might be able to hear some sound there, but by and large is the other candidate who will be heard at that point. >> all right. john berman, thanks very much. now to room that will be key to allies. both candidates immediately following the debate, cnn senior political analyst, mark preston joins us from the post debate spin room so mark, what's the leg? >> i'm going to tell you what to understand. it is quiet here except for the vacuuming because what we're seeing right now is this place is just about ready to be done 800 reporters from 173 different news organizations representing

35 countries. we talked about how much interest there is in the united states. 4 the selection who are we kidding? this election is going to be watched all across the country. we're going to see news organizations from all over the place now, as you say, this is the place where it's quiet right now. it's it's real quiet right now tomorrow night at about this time, it is going to be incredibly loud and then after the debate, this is the place you come for the campaign to either try to fix what your candidate said if there was a mistake or we'd want to tout how great candidate did. we'll see some big names in here tomorrow, perhaps the likes of gavin newsom, of course for new governor, he'll be here with joe biden. we've heard from donald trump saying that he's gonna have his surrogates here. the list of folks that he is considering to put on his ticket to be his vice presidential nominee. so again, tomorrow, this is the place where the narrative from what happens on that debate stage that we just saw berman on starts to take place and carries us through the summer. anderson, mark preston, thanks so much in a moment. john king joins us again. he's been

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here in atlanta president biden and former president trump will take on the stage for the cnn presidential debate for ten months now, or john king has been talking with voters around the country all over the map in every way of fitting name for his special series tonight, john has a look at what's on voter's minds going into the debate. >> that's right. flores don't a handful of restaurants in battleground, arizona and is unimpressed with both men and women, will share the debate stage at this juncture, they both had for years. and i'm just eight years more frustrated than i was before. i wish we had a candidate that had more of a middle of life and middle of the road perspective. and i'm very uncomfortable right now would either choice, we hear that a lot are all over the map project. is that 60 voters and counting across ten states? yes. president biden has his share of true believers. >> biden, biden, biden?

absolutely i think he's done a great job. >> so does donald trump. >> i liked what happened in our economy for four years when donald trump was president. i liked that america first mindset, but many voters dislike or have doubts about both, which makes this debate a critical campaign crossroads. >> i just don't feel comfortable with biden's age and i don't feel comfortable with trump's mouth. >> but the incumbent the cost of living is a giant challenge. or your day-to-day costs the same now is a year ago oh, know they're higher. rising rans came up a lot in milwaukee and in las vegas. and in other places, biden must dominate, like atlanta. but everything here in georgia is so expensive. i can only afford so much with whatever job i find even strong biden supporters complain of supermarkets sticker shock is just me and my wife and it's $200 every time i go to the grocery store, the president's age is already part of the campaign debate. no matter how many taylor swift

references you make, you will never understand us. >> a bigger biden problem with younger voters is anger at his handling of the hamas-israel conflict. i don't think anybody wants nobody wants to vote for biden. if biden wants to get certain and votes, he needs to change course trump though, also has a long list of weaknesses that could be debate flashpoints. joan london just left the republican party and registered as an independent. >> i had more, more of a positive vision just a different emphasis and i'm and what i'm saying in the national party just didn't reflect my values the way it had linda rooney hasn't ruled out voting for trump, but january 6 is an obstacle. i remember watching it on tv and i couldn't believe that it was happening and i was angry that he didn't trump didn't say something. they trump didn't stop it but yet you still might vote for i might. >> yeah mad for a whole day's is a georgia christian

conservative pondering a third party vote because of doubts about trump's character honestly, i wish that there was another candidate that would have come through the primaries instead of being just donald trump? yes. many minds are already made up. but for those with doubts about both biden and trump, this is a giant test john's with me now, how critical i mean, do you think this debate is for a lot of those undecided, but i think it's enormously important because they're kinda stuck lieutenant governor doctor made the pointer always. a lot of people don't like either one. there are a lot of people who are soft biden or soft trump. a lot of people who are still looking around is that third party candidate. so let me start with the present young voters black voters, hispanic voters. those are the biggest cracks in his coalition. he needs to do something you hear it, especially when you talk to the young voters on our vegas trip from latino voters, they want to hear the president speak in a way relevant to them. not talk like a washington politician. and then if he can shore up the democratic coalition that he can reach out to those republicans like linda rooney. she's so she cannot forgive trump for january 6, but she

might vote for him because she's a republican by dna, and it's really hard to vote to reelect a democratic president for trump i think it's really how we can comports himself because there are a whole lot of republicans, even republicans, haley voters, other republicans who voted for biden in 2020, who again don't want to vote to reelect biden. they're republicans. they want to be republicans, or they want the lower taxes, they want. they think trump would close the border, but they can't stand the chaos of trump on the debate stage. hold themselves together. i am fascinated to hear from them after tomorrow night, then i'm fascinated to see just support for the third-party candidates go down after this debate, two people feel more comfortable with their choices, or does it go back up? if it started, if the third party numbers start to go up again, this rates gets even more and more complicated right now. it's static. if you look at the polling mostly static but just for nathan anderson, covid hangover inflation concerns is so much volatility just below the surface. i think the debate might pull that up. >> it's on king. thank you. thank you. we'll be watching up next more on that debating

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which sitting presidents have fallen prey to, not just for years, but for decades presidential debate history, cnn's jeff zeleny has more on that heightened for your joe biden was on cleanup duty all debates are tough. the morning after president obama turned in a debate performance so bad that even obama called it a stinker can sit there and say, you know, i would've done that here people saying that well, that's like standing up before 2030, 40, 506,070 million people. it was 2012, a month before the election when then-vice president biden searched for a charitable way to describe obama's flat-footed performance against mitt romney. i suspect that on social security, we've got a somewhat similar position the memory of that torture debate lingers in the background on the eve of biden's first encounter in four years with donald trump at a thursday night's showdown in atlanta, a string of sitting presidents have been tripped up by their first date. >> i'm all confused now, ronald reagan rampell, during his closing argument i think

that all of you or not everyone, those people that have are in those pockets of poverty and haven't caught up. i think that the most of the people in this country would say yes, they are better off than they were four years ago. george hw bush glanced at his watch and sounded out of touch. are you suggesting that if somebody has means that the national debt doesn't affect them. well, what i'm not sure i get it helped me with a question and i'll try to answer the trappings of office are designed to keep the leader of the free world away from face-to-face confrontation with the debate stage elevates the challenger off jin rattling and visibly annoying the commander in chief, george w bush, smirked and scowled at times striking a defensive tone. >> i've shown the american people, i know how to lead i have i understand everybody in this country doesn't agree with the decisions i made. >> most sitting president's bristle with a mere process of practice and preparing obama went to nevada for debate camp, but visited the hoover dam in

dropped by a camp payne office, making his disdain clear for what advisors were asking him to do. >> basically, they're keeping me on doors all the time because bragg there they're making me do my homework it wasn't until after the debate. worry often looked down at his notebook that he accepted responsibility for a lackluster showing with romney and four years ago, trump himself fell victim to the first debate curse when he arrived in cleveland, looking slightly unwell, he tested positive for covid a few days later. but that night on stage, he proceeded to hector and interrupt biden, u.s. can justice is to the left. would you mason, who is on your list you while history books are filled with missteps on stage, never before to one-term presidents stood side-by-side in a televised debate asking americans to give them a second term. of course, most presidents are used to the deference of air force one