anderson if you put all of the policy issues aside for a second, there's one specific category of incoming from donald trump on that the president is preparing for and bracing for, and that is personal insults that are directed not only out the president of members of his family as well told by one biden adviser that at these debate prep sessions at camp david in recent days something that the president has been readying for are the potential insults and attack that are thrown his way, aimed at specific members of his family. >> and this adviser wouldn't elaborate. this is obviously a very sensitive issue but something that is of course, still very frehse for the biden family is the news from earlier this month that his son, hunter biden, was convicted on three separate felony gun charges. a saga that has been incredibly deeply painful for the entire biden family. and what is incredible is that the president has already

experienced donald. trump going after his son, hunter biden. this was back in this >> timber 2020 debate. when president trump said that hunter biden had been dishonorably discharged for using cocaine from the military to be clear, he was administratively discharged, which is different. he also mocked a hunter biden, if you'll recall saying he couldn't get a job until president biden had become vice president. so who up the defense, if you also remember that president biden gave at the time saying, look, yes, like a lot of american families are families. one that has dealt with the problem of addiction, but i'm proud of my son and i love my son. eighth had said at the time that that ended up being actually one of the most resonant moments coming out of the debate. but i think all of this just goes to show the biden team's broader strategy of trying to prepare for anything and everything. but donald trump might throw his way thursday night in christian. >> i understand. you have some reporting on this from the trump team as well.

>> yeah. interesting. we've actually heard donald trump, but even as recently as last week, say that he believes a hunter biden and his legal issues, we're actually going to come up in the debate and likely he means because he would bring them up. we know this is something that he often brings up at rallies at various events and even it's donors talking about hunter biden, talking about as legal issues linking it back to president joe biden. i have talked to a number of people in trump's orbit who are hoping that he stays away from this line of attacks. they understand that donald trump himself can be increasingly nasty, that he tends to go very, very personal obviously, president biden from mjbiz reporting is preparing for that. but what they are hoping he does is stays away from that and instead focuses just on their messaging. they want donald trump to show up at the debate on thursday and focus on a contrast between his former administration and that of joe biden's particularly when it comes to the economy

prime and immigration, if you look at all the recent polling, that's what they're going off. it shows that donald trump is ahead with voters on those issues. they don't want him to dive into personal attacks, non-stop. now, obviously bot is going depend on what happens on that stage thursday, they cannot control that, but what they are hoping and telling him to do, that his best option since our to stay on message and focus on the issues all right. >> kristen holmes, mj lee, thanks so much with me here tonight. republican geoff duncan, the former lieutenant governor of georgia, who announced today he is now supporting president biden. cnn, senior political commentator, former trump campaign adviser, david urban, former atlanta mayor kitchen lands bottoms, who's joining the biden campaign as a senior adviser? also former obama senior adviser, david axelrod and cnn chief national correspondent. john king. obviously, david axelrod, you have a lot of experience with president obama in debates. you know, joe biden as a debater. what do you expect him to try? trump to try to get under biden's skin with family? >> i do. i expect him to try and just extract and one of the

interesting questions to me is the mics are gonna go off when your time is up it doesn't prevent trump from continuing to talk and try to just trying to distract the podiums are eight feet apart. i don't know if that means sound is picked up. i think well, i don't think it's i mean, i saw a demonstration cnn earlier today, it's in sound like it was being picked up, so it actually could be an odd seen if the president is responding to things that people can hear, but in any case, i do think that there are imperatives for both these guys. and for joe biden. the imperative is clearly to be engaged, active, and i think on the offense and not on the defense and for trump the question is for biden, can he control the event? the question for trump is, can he control himself? the first debate last time was a disaster for trump because he was interrupting and he was up noxious and i think he knows it and advisors know it and they say he's not gonna do it again. but as mike tyson one

said, everybody has a plan until they're punched in the face. so we'll see how he responds to provocation john, look, i would say that anytime spent on hunter biden is going to be viewed in most of the country as a waste of time now, the trump based would love it. >> the trump based with absolutely love it. he has to trump base. if donald trump steps on that stage, worried about the trump voters, he's already lost. he, he doesn't have to worry about them. he has them. that's why he has a slight lead in this race. so what is the point you're gonna make about i don't biden that's going to address any of your weaknesses or four to fight your strengths, right? he is ahead and pulling it down in the economy and immigration. what can you say about this issues to talk to the american people to say, you want me not him, you've had three-and-a-half years of him. you want me he has giant weaknesses. he needs to help this state these two can talk about a lot better than i can is changing by the minute, becoming a more diverse, more suburban, more college college-educated state. that's donald trump's kryptonite. that's why he lost georgia in 2020 because they does he have the character? what about january 6? what's your

commitment to democracy? that's what they want to hear him talk about. they want to see if he's learned any lessons. they don't want to hear. him talk about hunter biden and the precedent has a giant challenge. as an incumbent president in a country that's very unhappy with the direction we are heading. so number one, he has to put on a vigorous performance to quiet any doubts about his age or at least turn the volume down on those doubts about his age. but i would argue most importantly from my travels, he has to look the american people in the eye and talk about cost of living in a way that is relevant to them. i say cost of living, not inflation, because people are talking about rent, their time okay. about my house is worth a lot more money than one. i bought it and i actually refinanced it a good rate. i'm great, but i've had a kid or two since then, but i want to buy a bigger house, but i can't because all the prices have gone up and the mortgage rates have gone up groceries are still high in a lot of biden's supporters complain about supermarket sticker shock e, sometimes gets defensive, and since the numbers are good, the numbers are better the economy's great. that's the wrong strategy. people don't feel that so i they should focus on fortifying their strengths and addressing. they both have glaring weaknesses.

hunter biden to me 60 voters i've talked to in ten states, they would view it as a waste when you're an incumbent. and there's 65% or 70% of people say the countries on the wrong track, you do not want the election to be a referendum. you want to make it a choice that has to be the imperative for the president tomorrow. >> what are you expecting their bottoms? >> yeah, i think this election will be about not just the future, but it's going to be about the past and we are in a different situation here because we've got a guidance served as president before. i was mayor while he was president, it was a pretty traumatic experience and i think people need to be reminded. i think it's human nature for us to try and move on from firm trauma but 2020, the pandemic the way he talked about injecting people with bleach charlottesville, they're good people on both sides appointing three supreme court justices who have now overturned roe v. wade. and i can go on and on and on. i

think we have to remind people that but also reminded people of how this administration has delivered and how it will continue to look to deliver going forward. >> david urban, one of the disadvantages president biden has now is that people need to be two her point, people need to be reminded of things president biden, prisoner, president said, no, no, said 44 years it's ago as opposed to things that biden has done now, i'm john, david and the mayor make a good point, right? so president biden has a record this time. he didn't have a record to run on. you've never record to be attacked in those first two debates. president trump totally did not do a good job in the first debate in 2020, the second debate he reported himself very well. and by all accounts, probably one, no which tuning in if that donald trump shows up tomorrow night here and addresses those issues like john says, if he comes out and says, listen, i'm going to pardon hunter biden, which i'd love to see right i'll pardon hunter biden. i think that'd be a really wise move on his part. said like just like me, hundred biden would have been prosecuted if his name wasn't biden. if i would've been

prosecuted mind was donald trump? i'm gonna i'm gonna see through this. i'm going to remove the shenanigans. i'd love for you to do that. that's how you bring up his name and look, up passionate. and i think you talk about those kitchen table issues that people in america, despite joe biden's best efforts to fight, everyone, a white house trying to sell their accomplishments. people in america don't buy it poll after poll after poll to david's point, wrong track, right? he's an unpopular inflation's too much, everything's too expensive. the rent is too high. nobody cares about democracy, nobody cares about these bigger issues. when you can't fill up your gas tank and send your kids at summer camp. that's what i think is going to be on the on the debate stage tomorrow. if trump could focused on that, he gets a w, the geoff me, you are a lifelong republican. you and congressman and then kinzinger and other republican this morning endorse president biden after endorsing him last month is morning. are you endorsed him, i guess last last month. the two of you appeared that the biden campaign event and one of the things you said you said, let's take the next four years. is republicans and build

and heal a new party, a gop to 0.0 how can president biden appeal to more people like you? >> well, first of all, welcome to georgia, the home of the safest faris, the most legal elections in the country we can prove it and we have proved it and to answer that question, is donald trump's in a box? 45% of this country loves to hear what he says but it's a appalling to the rest of the country. there's really no opportunity for him to build a bridge that 10% in the middle that actually are paying attention that care that are trying to come to grips as a republican, lifelong republican, they're trying to come to grips with showing up and vote for a democrat for the first time. i think joe biden has a better opportunity to do that as as john talked about this economy, this is the tale of two stories. some people wake up and this is the worst economy they could possibly imagine trying to afford a house or rent, or groceries. some folks are waking up and this is a golden time for them there for one k's are overflowing their houses their jobs are secure i think president biden has to extend an olive branch to those folks in the middle and talk with a

very high articulate voice as to where they're the economy. because if you're one of those folks sitting on a bunch of assets, you don't want somebody to read the scab off really quickly and change the deflection. but if you can't afford groceries with the $20 to that point, he has to admit that he's got a problem, right i think that's the olive branch i think we have to talk about spending in a way that says donald trump spin 8 trillion. we didn't have and he's a fake republican for doing that elections. this is one place where i have to take a little bit of exception with my friend, the mayor. i don't think elections are about the past elections are about the future. and i think where the president has to go is bring that sort of famous empathy of his talk about what people are going through, but also talk about what he's doing and what trump would do. talk about what he's doing a lower health care costs and then trump won in decommission the affordable care act. talk about what he did to lower prescription drugs and what trump wants to do without talking about the fact that he wants to cut taxes for working families who have children while trump wants to give another big tax cut, 2 billionaires. i mean, there is

an issue after issue. there are comparative about what the future would look like with these two candidates, joe biden has to go in there with that mindset. he did it four years ago, but it's easier when you're challenger we've got to pick this up after a short break. can have more with the team ahead time much on a much more on how each sound is preparing are some more polling which only raises the stakes for president biden tomorrow night and how the last biden debates effected the unique rules on this one. with moments like this my way my question to you i just want one thing. what is ten seconds, mr. president, and check and go political statement they left on me a mess. >> okay. we got an order starting business is never easy, but starting at eight months pregnant, that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left knee, right and so did our business needs the chase car

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unpopular incumbents then and now, the difference this time in early debate and a chance to change minds back now with the panel, i mean, with a job approval rating like this obviously the president has his job cut out for you already you cannot expect to sorry. >> is it possible sure. well, it happened. i doubt it. it's got to get above 40 i would argue he's got to get 243. and if he gets up against up for if he can get to 45. well, i'm john. >> that's the problem. that's the problem he's below 40 because he's both underwater on the big issues. he's underwater on the economies, underwater on the border. he's underwater on the things people care most about right now. and so what can he do to change this dynamic that's hard and one night this is a huge night. he has a chance to do it. it's hard. i just one other point. he's had 38% approval rating. he said in the mid 30s to high 30s and some of the battle congrats states like nevada you as an incumbent president to be in the 30s. that's telling you something that tells you the american people want a new car and they're shopping very aggressively for something new. and the other point, geoff just

made the point. donald trump's got 45%. he can't grow. bill clinton one was 43% because the third-party candidate, matador year guy named ross perot, the third third-party candidates are not going to be at this debate, but they mattered this year. trump can win at 45 and 46 in some of these states, if the third-party candidates stay anywhere near the numbers they're at right now, and biden does have a tendency to want to do deep dives on things he has done all president's sped wanted. >> that is the curse of the incumbents president. incumbent president show up these debates they want, they know a lot. they wanted to fight, defend their record. we know that he is he he's app to do that, to talk about how strong the economy is, to talk about other elements of this they need to pull all that wiring out. that's and he needs to engage with where people's minds her at and talk about the future and what he's trying to do to help them. rather than history will judge you after the fact right now, you got to go after

voters. >> but what we're looking at polls which are snapped shot in time, we know 2020, he was down into polls. for biden was down into moles and we know how that turned out. he does have a record to run on and he can talk about what he's going to do going forward 15 billion of let me make sure i had this number right. 50 million jobs, great, at lowest unemployment rate and 50 years capping the insulin costs for seniors. that's a really big deal. then opportunity to build on these things. the american people aren't looking at, at a new car. it donald trump he's a used car. we've driven before. i it wasn't a good ride. that's a great, it's a great point then what makes this race unique is that if i really believe right now if there were mainstream republicans somebody a former lieutenant governor who justin dorset democratic president could endorse that. you'd have a much different race. we would not have a static race in a way that 38% approval rating the president biden would be behind by a lot more than he's behind right now. however, you make the case, and there are a lot of

good numbers and the president in a very tough environment in washington has passed some incredible achievements. republicans might not like them, but they're big achievements. they create jobs, they put money into the climate, they build roads and bridges. the american people don't feel it. that's my point when you're traveled the country, they're not aware of it. this election is going to be determined by a group of folks that don't like almost every one of joe biden's policies or a majority of those policies? but they just are going to have to wake up and feel like he's a safer option to keep the trains on time as a country to keep us safe, focus on the big issues, but that's the whole point to the gop to 0.0. i think we have to vision cast the biden campaign has the vision cast into this group of i don't know, call it 1,020 million republicans that are disgruntled like i am and adam kinzinger and others. and vision cast to say, look, you're fastest pathway to success for gop to 0.0 is to beat donald trump right here, right now, don't sit on the couch, don't don't skip the election because you just can't hold your nose and vote for democratic show up, vote, make a difference right here, right now, that 10 million audience that happens, then i think you overcome those and i just don't i don't see it dropped i've been around

pennsylvania drive around florida. john has been there. you show me those hundred thousand republicans there on that bubble pennsylvania race is going to be 50 to 75,000 votes either way, right? that's what it's going to be this race feels a lot more like 16 that it did 20 madam mayor, i was on the ground and 16 and pennsylvania and 20 in pennsylvania? yeah, 24. this feels a lot like 16 now, my question to you and you're out there, so you know, my question is okay. >> but are they up for air mentioned some pharmaceutical prices and the $35 insulin or they up for repealing that because that's what trump has proposed. are they up for another 2 trillion now? i guess before trillion-dollar tax cuts for billionaires and, and or would they like help with childcare i dated, but i don't know if anyone's going to have joe biden is going to make that point, right? donald trump's get to walk. he's going to say no tax odd tips. mic drop, right? that's a catchy phrase. it's gonna be all over the internet friday morning, i promise.

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>> eye rolls and head shapes until trump, but it in during his attempt to answer a question about the supreme court that's why biden had had enough but justice left. would you listen who is on your list? joe, this is on you, right, gentleman thank practically debate. quickly went off the rails is neither candidate pulling any punches? >> did you use the word smart? you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. don't ever use the word smart with me. don't ever use that word or your tax, i paid $38 $38,000,000.01 year. i paid 20 27 michelle washers tax returns as the two debated taxes and the economy biden, let loose the worst, whereas america has ever had and after a portion of the debate focused on race, this is a president who has used everything as a dog whistle to try to generate racist hatred, racist vision. he racist before it was over, trump issued what sounded like

a warning if the election didn't go his way, what have i see? tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated? i can't go along with that at their second debate, just weeks before election day in 2020, the two faced off on dozens of issues including health care immigration, and again, race trump tried to blame biden for failing to solve the problem of systemic racism after decades in office, joe, i ran because of you. >> i ran because of barak obama because you did a poor job. if i thought you did a good job, i would have never run trump. also tried to defend his own record on race. >> i am the least racist person. i can't even see the audience because it's so dark. but i don't care who's in the audience. i'm the least racist person in this room. >> abraham lincoln here is one of the most racist prejudice we've had in modern history. this guy is a dog whistle about as big as a foreign core. keep in mind their first debate when trump was pressed to denounce a white supremacist group that

has openly endorsed violence. he stonewalled. golam, give me a name, give me a medic and proud boys, and right. problem stand back and standby on immigration. biden zeroed in on the hundreds of migrant children who had been separated from their parents at the u.s. mexico border, what happened parents were ripped, their kids were ripped from their arms and separated and now they cannot find over 500 of sets of those parents and those kids are alone nowhere to go, nowhere to go it's criminal. trump's on opening and fired back. >> they are so well taken care of. there in facilities that was so clean. some nine but just ask one question. who built the cages with just hours to go until cnn's presidential debate? trump and biden are once again sharpening there leinz. >> never said that i should. they did made it up. oh, really

here are really here's randi kaye, cnn, new york it's stressful even watching a joining us is tebor troy, who among his many senior roles. and the second bush administration prepared the debate books for both bush and cheney in 2004. back with this, as well as david axelrod. david, i know one moment. in particular stood out from that first debate. one reference and randy's piece and i just want to play again did you use the word smart so you said you went to delaware state but you forgot the name of your college. you didn't go to delaware state, you graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class, don't ever use the word smart with me. don't ever use that word what was it about that moment for you were to at asleep, nasty. i think it really landed badly with people, obviously joe biden had been vice president the united states. he was up there and he was mixing it up pretty effectively with trump and so that that's the whole that whole performance seemed like a church eilish kid

and it really it really hurt trump. that is what he has to resist in this debate. there was a focus group where some guy who voted for trump for several both times, so i don't know if i can vote from again, the moderator as to maya cities, because living with trump as president is like having a neighbor with a leaf blower that he, he runs 24/7. you never get any rest. trump has to dial that down and focus on his case or he will hurt himself again, a tebor, what expecting tomorrow because any both these men now or four years older than the last time they debated yeah, i agree with david that trump was nasty last time and it hurt him and i actually think there are three reasons why trump may have more of an advantage. >> this time, first, biden is older, you can see it. and in his debate prep, it may, he may get overwhelmed reagan in 1984 was overwhelmed by his debate advisers. and one point he even said to david stock, man, who was playing walter mondale,

will you shut up, which is what remember what biden said to trump in 2020 so he might get overwhelmed. another thing is trump has been more disciplined if you can believe it in this campaign and in 2020, he didn't listen to his debate advisers. and then third is there is a history of incumbent presidents being hockey in their first debate and losing the first debates has happened to obama and 12 reagan in at 4 ford and 76 carter and 80, it's a recurrent thing and sometimes the presence are just not ready to go mix it up with some of the first time. >> and david, i mean, you were with obama in 2012, you knew about the problem we have convince yet even then he did battling up. yeah. now i will say i think we over we did overpreparing. >> we yielded to his desire for a lot of material and we gave them a lot of material and he was preparing as if it was a supreme court argument. and that was a mistake. but i'll tell you something. ron klain was leading that debate, prep and ron has has experienced and i think as as good as anyone, he know, he's lived that biden

by the way. he's reading this debate prep leading. biden's debate prep. i think that they know exactly what the trap is and they're going to work very, very hard on trying to disabuse them of the notion to do that, and to focus instead on his case and the case is this fed. he's working for people in their future. trump is a guy was consumed by himself and vengeance and retribution and that's going to help anybody tell me one of the things that's so fascinating about these debates and particularly this one is no matter what the preparation is, there are so many unknowns and so many in different ways, this could go depending on what version of each of these two men show up on the stage that night yeah, that's absolutely right. >> it's like athletes in any sporting events. you don't know what they're going to be like on game day, trump was given advice in 2020 to lead biden do the talking and that he would maybe hang himself with too much rope there but it's not what happened because trump just couldn't let it go. he

thought that if he pressed bite enough because of biden's age, biden would melt down and that's just not going to happen. you can't count on your other on your opponent melting down in these situations, i want to play a moment when that president biden were told by the reporting from mj lee that he may be preparing for any attempt next on his family. this is a moment when kennedy biden defended his son, hunter hunter got thrown out of the military. he was thrown out dishonorably discharged. that's not true. what does it use? and he didn't have a job until you became vice president. what do you not have that? president? he made a fortune in ukraine china, and maza is simply areas of the players. he might sign what can generalize son and he didn't have a son like a lot of people like a lot of people we know at home, had a drug problem. he's overtaken it fixed it, he's worked on it, and i'm proud of them. >> david. what do you make that moment? >> well, look, i think that moment landed well, biden's

response landed well later in the second debate. this came up, i think it was in the second debate, and he flatly denied the whole laptop story that this was hunter's laptop and bought into to the notion that this was a russian operation and so on, that could come back in this debate and you've heard some of the trump surrogates suggesting that trump might ask him about that. so trump may come back to them. dave urban said earlier is something to that, i think that the biden people have to be alert to trump may come at him on hunter in a completely different way, which just to say, i think he got a raw deal on this gun thing. i don't think that he deserved that and i don't understand how you could not pardon your own son david rohde tebor, troy. >> thank you very much. up. next we go to the debate stage itself, or john berman, their a walk us through the new format tomorrow night of your idea the most anticipated moment of this

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tomorrow night is designed to prevent that kind of constant interruption while candidates are trying to answer the moderators, it's one of many new format changes. john berman joins us now from inside the debate hall. so john how's it work and what's a, what's a light? >> well, 24 hours from now in a few minutes, anderson, you're going to have a president and a former president sanding on the same stage, pretty close to each other. these luck turns are just eight feet apart. i can basically touch them at the same time with my arms out. president biden will be standing over here on the right side of your screen. he won the coin flip. he chose this side president trump will be standing former president trump will be standing right over here. and the moderators dana bash and jake tapper, they're going to be right here facing the candidates and that's it that's pretty much the only people in the room besides the technical crew here. no audience at all. and that's a change. now the candidates will be able to bring know pads and

pens, but no notes as it were, they had to be blank when they get get here. they can each bring water. they have to stand up for the whole debate. there will be two commercial breaks where the candidates get a break, but they can't talk to the campaign step i suppose they could talk to each other, although that might be a little bit awkward the way the question-and-answer stuff is going to work here, anderson, the moderators will ask a question, candidate, a will get to minutes to respond. candidate b gets a one-minute rebuttal, then candidate a gets a one-minute response to that at any point, the moderators, jake and dana, they can ask a follow-up question a minute long. press a little bit further again, and then it will go back and forth between the two candidates with that kind of timeframe. >> and how do candidates, you know how much time is left to seize to speak? what, what did they actually see that's a great question. let me show you a little dark in here because the crew's been setting up all day and they don't have all the lights on, but on every camera. and really throughout

the entire studio, there are lights like this one right here. when there's 15 seconds left for the candidates that will light up yellow when there's five seconds left, it will start blinking red. and when time's up, anderson, it goes to full red. and when it goes to full read, the microphone turns off their microphone will no longer beyond and that's a big change from before, yes, the candidates are a little bit close to each other. you might be able to pick up some sound on the other person's mic, but by and large, when you're done, when time's up, your microphones off, it's the other candidates turn to speak. so that's, um, that really is the first the mic actually shuts off. it's not somebody waiting to make a decision whether their turn off of mike. it just it shuts off when the red light is fully on the candidates have agreed to these terms, the strict time limits when you're time is up and you've been warned with a yellow light, a blinking red light, and then a full red light. time is up and

you will no longer be heard. you'll be a little bit far away. you might be able to hear some sound there, but by and large is the other candidate who will be heard at that point. >> all right. john berman, thanks very much. now to a room that will be key to allies of both candidates immediately following the debates, cnn senior political analyst, mark preston joins us from the post debate spin room. so mark, what's alike? >> i'm going to tell you what anderson it is quite here except for the vacuuming because what we're seeing right now is this place is just about ready to be done 800 reporters from 173 different news organizations representing 35 countries. we talk about how much interest there is in the united states 4 this election. who are we kidding? this election is going to be watched all across the country. we're going to see who's organizations from all over the place now, as you say, this is the place where it's quiet right now. it's real quiet right now. tomorrow night at about this time, it is going to be incredibly loud. and then after the debate, this is the place you come for the campaign

to either try to fix what your candidate said if it was a mistake or we'd want to come in tout how great candidate did. we'll see some big names in here tomorrow, perhaps the likes of gavin newsom of course, california governor, he'll be here with joe biden. we've heard from donald trump saying that he's going to have his surrogates here. the list of folks that he is deterring to put on his ticket to be his vice presidential nominee. so again, tomorrow, this is the place where the narrative from what happened on that debate stage that we just saw berman on, starts to take place and carries us through the summer. anderson, mark preston, thanks so much in a moment, john king joins us again. he's been traveling across the country talking to voters nearly. it doesn't state so far for his all over the map ab series, what he's been hearing about both candidates and the issues that mean the most to voters right now i was what is circle? circle is which hole for like tosses limited way circled digital foster tree for this week, you could confidence

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a handful of restaurants in battleground, arizona and is unimpressed with both men who will share the debate dates at this juncture, they both had four years. and i'm just eight years more frustrated than i was before. i wish we had a candidate that had more of a middle of life and middle of the road perspective. and i i'm very uncomfortable right now with either choice, we hear that a lot are all over the map project. is that 60 voters and counting across ten states? yes. president biden has his share of true believers biden, biden, biden. >> you like it. absolutely. i think he's done a great job. so does donald trump. >> i liked what happened in our economy for four years when donald trump was president. i liked the america first mindset, but many voters dislike or have doubts about both, which makes this debate a critical campaign crossroads. >> i just don't feel comfortable with biden's age and i don't feel comfortable with trump's mouth. >> but the incumbent the cost of living is a giant challenge.

are your day-to-day costs the same now is a year ago. hell, no there are higher. >> rising rans came up a lot in milwaukee and in las vegas. >> and in other places, biden must dominate, like atlanta. but everything here in georgia is so expensive. i can only afford so much with whatever job i find even strong biden supporters complain of supermarket sticker shock is just me and my wife and it's $200 every time i go to the grocery store, the president's age is already part of the campaign debate. no matter how many taylor swift references you make, you will never understand us. >> a bigger biden problem with younger voters is anger at his handling of the hamas, israel conflict. i don't think anybody wants nobody wants to vote for biden. if biden wants to get certain votes, he needs to change course trump though also has a long list of weaknesses that could be debate flashpoints. joan london just left the republican party and registered as an independent. i had more, more of a positive

vision just a different emphasis. >> and i'm what i'm saying in the national party just didn't reflect my values the way it had. >> the rooney hasn't ruled out voting for trump, but january 6 is an obstacle. >> i remember watching it on tv and i couldn't believe that it was happening and i was angry that he didn't trumped and say something. they trump didn't stop it and yet you still might vote for i might. yeah. >> matt vrahiotes days is a georgia christian conservative pondering a third party vote because of doubts about trump's character. >> honestly, i wish that there was another candidate that would have come through the primaries instead of being just donald trump? >> yes. many minds are already made up. but for those with doubts about both biden and trump this is a giant test john's with me now, how critical i mean, do you think this debate is for a lot of

those undecided, but i think it's enormously important because they're kind of stuck. >> lieutenant governor doctor made the pointer always a lot of people don't like either one. there are a lot of people who are soft biden or soft trump. a lot of people who are still looking around is the third part party candidate. so let me start with the president. young voters, black voters, hispanic voters. those are the biggest cracks in his coalition. he needs to do something you hear it, especially when you talk to the young voters on our vegas trip from latino voters, they want to hear the president speak in a way relevant to them, not talking like a washington politician. and then if he can shore up the democratic coalition that he can reach out to those republic okay. it's like linda rooney. she said she cannot forgive trump for january 6, but she might vote for him because she's a republican by dna, and it's really hard to vote to reelect a democratic president for trump i think it's really how we can comports himself because there are a whole lot of republicans, even republicans, haley voters, other republicans who voted for biden in 2020, who again don't want to vote to reelect biden. they're republicans. they want to be republicans, or they want the lower taxes, they want. they think trump would close the border, but they can't stand

the chaos of trump and so on the debate stage he holds themselves together. i am fascinated to hear from them after tomorrow night, then i'm fascinated to see just support for the third-party candidates go down after this debate, two people feel more comfortable with their choices, or does it go back up? if it started, if the third party numbers start to go up again, this rates gets even more and more complicated, right now. it's static. if you look at the polling mostly static but just for neither anderson covid hangover inflation concerns is so much volatility just below the surface. i think the debate might hold that up. >> talking. thank you. thank you. will be watching up next more on that debating pitfall. we've been talking about tonight, one that so many incumbent presidents had fallen victim to going back decades thinking think thinking about her honeymoon, about africa as far hot air balloon rides, swim with elephants three, 4, safari. >> great question. like everything takes a little planning for what the mind towards the down payment on a

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no. i would've done this hear people say well, let's like standing up before 2030, 40, 40, 506,070 million people. >> it was 2012 a month before the election when then-vice president biden searched for a charitable way to describe obama's flat-footed performance against mitt romney. i suspect that on social security, we've got a somewhat similar position. >> the memory free of that torture debate lingers in the background on the eve of biden's first encounter in four years with donald trump at thursday night's showdown in atlanta, a string of sitting president's have been tripped up by their first debate i'm all confused now it's ronald reagan rambled during his closing argument. i think that all of you or not everyone, those people that have are in those pockets of poverty and haven't caught up. i think that the most of the people in this country would say yes, they are better off than they were four years ago. george hw bush glanced at his watch and sounded out of touch. are you suggesting that if somebody has means that the national debt

does and affect them. well, what i'm not sure i get it helped me with a question and i'll try to answer the trappings of office are designed to keep the leader of the free world away from face-to-face confrontation with the debate stage elevates the challenger, often rattling and visibly annoying the commander in chief, george w bush smirked and scowled at time i'm striking a defensive tone. >> i've shown the american people i know how to lead i have understand everybody in this country doesn't agree with but the decisions i made, most sitting president's bristle with a mere process of practice and preparing obama went to nevada for debate camp, but visited the hoover dam in dropped by a campaign office, making his disdain clear for what advisors were asking him to do. >> basically, they're keeping me on doors all the time. isn't bragg hi there they're making me do my homework. >> it wasn't until after the debate worry often looked down at his notebook that he accepted responsibility for a

lackluster showing with romney and four years ago, trump himself fell victim to the first debate curse when he arrived in cleveland looking slightly unwell, he tested positive for covid a few days later but that night on stage, he proceeded to hector and interrupt biden, u.s. can justice rational left. >> would you listen who is on your list you while history books are filled with missteps on stage never before have two one-term presidents stood side-by-side in a televised debate asking americans to give them a second term of course, most presidents are used to the difference of air force one and the oval office but history may not be our best guide here. of course, the politics now are far more vitriolic and rough and tumble, but president biden has been practicing at camp david, the presidential retreat outside washington for this very reason there's no american politician alive who is debated as often. he knows, well that

first term presidential curse that's why even tonight he's still practicing with his aides, jeff zeleny. thanks. the news continues right here on cnn and outfront dax, a special edition live from cnn's debate headquarters in atlanta. >> breaking news tonight on biden strategy, a technique that insider say has said biden's favorability, quote, off the charts this as questions swirl over whether trump will announces bp as early as tomorrow has a real-time demonstration of what will happen when one kansas that it tries to interrupt the other. the question everyone has that and everything else you need to know about the debate rules. and an outfront exclusive tonight, former president trump and never before heard audio gushing over taylor swift. you'll hear the word he uses to describe her five times let's go out front and welcome to a special edition of outfront. good evening from atlanta. i'm erin burnett and i am live from the cnn debate headquarters. here we begin with the breaking new