and a pitbull lipstick. >> but for all the highlights, it is the lost opportunities and blunders that all often are the most enduring. if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor and irrevocable death penalty for the killer? no i don't bernard and i think, you know that i've opposed the death penalty during all of my life. >> the bits that are later played and replayed, his very like vole, i agree with that. i don't think i'm that fat. >> you're likeable enough. thank you. >> taking to the candidate. well, after the debate is over, i went to a number of women's groups and said, can you help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women the optics of the big stage has also tripped up many candidates with a casual glance at a watch, an audible sigh, man's practicing fuzzy math again there's differences or even body language. >> but can you get things done

and i believe i can all attempting to distract voters from the message. sum lins are funny, cnn washington thanks for joining us. our coverage continues now it's thursday, june 27, debate day in america. >> right now on cnn this morning we are here in atlanta ahead of the debate, right here on cnn and tonight. joe biden and donald trump will face off in a historic rematch. plus bret time almost over are the different strategies for each candidate tonight and good, the supreme court's steal the spotlight from the debate stage. a decision on donald trump's claims of absolute immunity is imminent it is, friday. yeah. i'm here in atlanta, georgia. alive. look at cnn headquarters right here

is gonna be the home of tonight's presidential debates good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us as we've said, it's debate day in america. joe biden and donald trump taking the stage tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern for the first presidential debate of 2024, hosted by us right here at cnn at the world headquarters. in atlanta. and it is going to be a historic rematch. the first time a sitting president will face off against a former president the last time each candidate participated in a debate was four years ago against each other. >> good question the question is justice left. would you base and who is on your list? you don't you write gentlemen, i think pack the court. we have not going to give a look remember that tonight's 90 minute debate likely to look a little different for these reasons. there's not a studio audience. the microphones are going to be on only when it's a

candidates turn to speak. and notably, we want to underscore that both campaigns agreed to these rules to prepare for tonight, trump and biden have seemingly take an opposite approaches. biden has been at camp david huddling with a closed group of advisors for the past several days, he's been out of the spotlight. his campaign has been busy releasing new ads. all week, including this one sheriff, it's awful to watch police officers getting attacked. that's not supporting this badge and this uniform i have no desire to work with somebody who divides. that's not what america is. but i worked with anybody who unite that's why with president joe biden as for trump, he's been talking to reporters, podcast hosts, doing interviews by assume he's gonna be somebody that will be a worthy debater. >> yeah, i would say i think i don't want to underestimate him our panel is here early this morning. cnn data reporter harry anton, axios, national political reporter, alex thompson, cnn political

commentators, makari sellers and sure michael singleton. welcome all. is that wave or not? i'm hearing my mother is awake at this hour. it is merely because she worries about me so much. so she's keeping me awake. well, there you go. so harry, what what are the numbers we should be looking for heading heading into this night? i mean, i think big big picture here, the one that stands out to me is 57%. that is the number of americans who say they are likely to watch this debate. and the reality here is that the biden team especially has been saying as trump had has led them in the polls, that once people actually start to pay attention, these numbers are going to start to change. so this really the first big moment that's going to test that premise. >> it's not only the first big moment, it's one of the few big moments, right? we're going to have this debate will have the dnc come august, and then you'll have the second debate, which i think is often september, but that's eons away. and presidential time frames, at least during campaigns look, joe biden has been consistently in a worse position than he was four years ago at a given point, right. if you look at the national polls,

you'll see you either see a dead heat or perhaps you'll see donald trump slightly ahead. you look at the swing-state, you see the exact same situation going into this is. gonna be one of those few times where perhaps joe biden can change the narrative that he's too old, that he's two out of touch at this particular point. and it's also chancery can go on the offensive against donald trump and maybe cause trump to reshow his stripes of what american voters dislike about him. >> yeah, alex, you do a lot of digging inside the biden campaign, especially at what are you hearing from them as we head into today? because while obviously the stakes are incredibly high for both men, there does seem to be a particular focus on whether or not biden can rise to meet the moment. yeah, it's high risk, high reward because he's behind just as harry was saying, if the election were held tomorrow, i think you've been very people hey, close to the biden campaign say when he would probably lose. >> and so that's why you've seen him basically how him away, you see him with all of his closest advisers, even including people that have already left the white house. they've come back, they've

hunkered down at camp david. you saw ron klain is foreign to staff, come back and really run that intense debate prep and what they're really trying to do is avoid that, that normal rule for incumbent presidents. they're not used to being challenged on a stage and there's a long history of presidents and commit president's really not having a good first debate that's why he has been hunkered down for five days to try to avoid and break that rule. >> i'm glad you raised that. it's it really isn't interested can kind of track record when you go back and kind of look at how these performances go. but because you're michael you both are plugged it into your respective communities of operatives, people kind of looking at this. makari, what is the level of democratic hand-wringing ahead of this? is it as high as it let me first of all, we are proverbial bed wetter so so there is some pearl-clutching on the democratic side that's just us by nature but i would also like to push back on everything they said on the right side bring it there is no there is no if you look at the most recent poll, the most recent national poll, which was a fox news poll, joe

biden was ahead. if you look at the most recent swing-state polls, he's actually winning wisconsin. he's winning michigan you saw what he was doing with voters under the age of 30. he's winning them by as much as he won them in 2020 and so regardless of how slightly new trends i will say, right. but they are trimmed right? so that means joe biden is trending in the right direction. >> tonight. you know, that's my question to you, is yeah but i just want to reframe it because there's not this warning sign. it's like, oh, my god, if the election was held today, first of all, elections aren't held in the middle of june. elections are held in november. they always are. and so when you look at what's going on tonight, the most important moment will be the first 1015 minutes of this debate. joe biden comes out energetic. joe biden's able to actually get his point across people hear it, and people, the bar is, as i said earlier, the bar is inhale for joe biden, right? that is where republicans have placed it and trying to move it they might purgatory, but it is it is for them. they have said

joe biden is the moment let's feeble creature on earth. so if he comes out and puts on a show for the first 1015 minutes, which i believe he's more than capable of doing from nine to 915 before the first commercial break is the most important time. and there's probably joe biden's political history joe biden is hoping that you're right. >> i'm not confident are convinced. and then i'm really not. i think this election really will show this debate. rather, we're really showcase whether or not you biden's message can penetrate you voters who are not enthusiastic about giving him another four years. you're talking about younger voters, you're talking about african-american voters. you're talking about many moderate republicans were polling does suggest that they're shifting away from the sitting president and that can be consequential this november remember what's have a gary's point really quick in terms of the expectations game on may 15th, i was just looking this up. donald trump called joe biden the worst debater. he's ever faced these are worthy debater now handed over to thank a team at right here okay. you can be in the

universe. you want to be, and i can show you that fox news, paul, that had joe biden up by two points. i can show you a quinnipiac university poll that had donald trump up for yesterday. i could show you in new york times, paul, that had a donald trump up three yesterday among likely voters. i think that there are different universes of where different folks want to be at this particular point. i think the one thing though that is clear throughout all of the polling is it looks very, very different from where it looked four years ago at a given point. and if you were to take the aggregate of the polling, you see that joe biden on the margin, is doing 678 points worse, but then it was, but that's, that's it. that is a false comparison. pyy did a false comparison because you have a president running for reelection so the standard is not where it was. he four years ago. the standard is where it was barack obama against mitt romney. he was leaving, he was better than joe biden the car. >> my point is that you keep comparing this to four years ago and that is not the standard. the standard is george bush versus john kerry had to get a senior moment. i

don't like those are those are there those are the comparisons that we have to make. and when we're taught, we have to frame it as such. and so when you start to look at it that way, you starting to look at where they were trending and where they were coming from joe biden is actually trending in the right direction. but but casey, if you historically look at where those former presidents were at this point, they were doing far better than the president because it has in history would tell us if these numbers persist in these trend lines continue. >> there is nowhere in the world you binds going to win this election in november. well, that's the whole theory of the case up tonight, which you brought up at the very beginning. is that a lot of americans do not realize donald trump could be president again this is, this is the first moment when people are really going to realize, oh, wait, that guy, we're going to have that and that will continue that trend. the big bet they're making. and we'll find out soon if it's the right one. yeah. we're going to come back around and also talk about we talked a lot about the president, what's at stake for him tonight. we've got to talk about trump, the risks that he'll phase. sure. michael, you're gonna be on the hotseat for that we're going to take a quick break up next the supreme court mistakenly posts its opinion on a consequential

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donald trump's claim of immunity decision that could come before tonight's debate. the court is dealing with what was an astonishing breach of its usual protocol, according to bloomberg news the supreme court appears poised to temporarily allow abortions in medical emergencies, in idaho after a document was accidentally posted on the court's website, and then it was quickly taken down. the court has acknowledged inadvertently posting the document and says it is not officially rendered a decision. this is now the second time in two years that the public learned where the court was headed in a major abortion case before the justices had formally handed down their ruling after the 2012, 2022, excuse me, decision overturning roe versus wade was leaked to a media outlet. our panel is back. so this was pretty astonishing, right? from them because they are usually pretty locked down around these kinds of things. but let's be real the thing everyone is really waiting on ahead of tonight's debate is this potential immunity decision. alex, how

are how are the biden people thinking about that and preparing for it? yeah. well, first of all, in terms because if they abortion ruling, always pay your it people. i think that's the lesson the lesson learned from there in terms of the trump immunity thing, the timing of this is fascinating because you have nine, you have nine cases left to be decided. and usually we thought it was going to be all release thursday, which should be today, which are really stepped on this debate or friday, which would again also step on the debate, but it's possible now they could go towards monday. now in terms of what the biden team is doing, you have two different cases, not just presidential immunity, but does other january 6 case, which is based on one of the charges that is being brought against the current affects the sentences of people arrested in these exactly, including trump. and so this could also be another legal setback in terms the prosecution of trump. so the biden team i think they're a little bit like, what are we going to do, but you have seen them up the attacks on the supreme court lately and a lot of biden allies including nc pelosi on cnn, has been really attacking them as, as sort off

the rails. and i expect that to continue hearing. can i ask you because i want to ask the court to weigh in on this as well, but the numbers around abortion right now and how that is motivating voters because i do see in this leaked decision, the supreme court clearly aware and we know john roberts was aware of this as they were deciding to overturn roe versus wade, that the politics of this have really been, it has been a full-circle backlash. again, republican candidates, quite frankly. so this decision seems to play in the favor of abortion rights supporters what do you know about how motivated voters are on this issue right now democrats and joe biden are praying. they are looking up to the skies here and praying that this election is about an abortion. it is by far, joe biden's best issue. he is more trust on and donald trump, what you can say about a lot of other issues and he's been consistently so and more than that, the voters who are motivated because of the abortion issue are primarily democratic voters. this is very different from what we saw four

years ago, where it was in fact republican voters who are more motive evaded about to vote because about abortion and about the supreme court overall, major backlash to that decision, right? when they overturn roe v. wade approval of the court is at near or at its all time low this will be interesting, right? especially if they come out on the side or what is seen as the pro abortion right-side. does that mollify some voters? i've very much doubt it. still the thing that's going to be in their minds as it used to be that abortion nationwide was legal. and now at this point, it's not including in some swing states. yeah. i mean, we should be clear about what we're talking about in this decision. it's not legalizing abortion in idaho. it is about whether or not emergency room firms can treat women in emergency medical situations, which is kind of one of these unintended consequences that has really shown the country and given not just democrats, but people who are really affected by these, these are very personal decisions. people are making in really hard spots and it's way beyond politics for a lot of people. yeah, and i'm not sure the consequences are unintended. and in fact, i

think that there are a lot of individuals that sam alito being one who had thought about this and thought this through, i mean, sam alito harry admires is one of the most consequential decisions we've ever seen in american political history, when they were swapped out on this issue of abortion. and so i'm not sure they're unintended, but what we have seen is the political way this plays out in places like kansas in places like ohio, we actually see white women, white college-educated women being galvanized and ways that we haven't seen them be galvanized around a particular issue that's going to help joe biden when you come to places like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin here and elana georgia in georgia, but even more importantly, the secrets that most people aren't talking about as georgia is an important state, but georgia is not the state that's in the top four or five states because north carolina has replaced georgia and where democrats are focusing their dollars and resources because of a gubernatorial race but in states like north carolina, you're going to see that happening. and the demographic to watch on this particular issue is probably going to be

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determining who wins in november back in 2020. remember the state flipped blue, giving joe biden his narrowest victory in any state in the race. and this led to that now infamous phone call from then then-president trump, two georgia election officials he was trying to find enough votes to win well, i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 loads, which is one more than we have because we won the state donald trump did not win the state lost by less than a point. the fallout lead to criminal charges against the former president in fulton county in atlanta and there was a break among some republican leaders here in georgia. one of those leaders joins us now the former lieutenant governor, geoff duncan. thank you so much for being here, sir, always good to have you here. you of course, were at the center of what we saw happen in 2020.

where do we stand in this state right now heading into this consequential night tonight well, i think the election is close. >> i think it's close today and it's gonna be close on election day. and i think the big question for us here in georgia is where do those 70 plus almost 80,000 nikki haley voters show up on election day. do they stay on the couch? do they show up and vote for joe biden or do they just hold their nose and vote for donald trump will have to see what that plays out. but certainly there is an anchor amongst georgians here because we have donald trump has absolutely shaft that are so many different ways. i mean, going back to covid, the second guessed everything that governor camp and i did obviously the fake electors scheme, the 2020 election debacle the lies and conspiracy theories. and so i think there's a jaded feeling amongst a lot of republicans. his support is a mile wide and an inch deep amongst republicans in georgia. >> so you have said you will vote for joe biden and use didn't adam kinzinger as he said, something similar yesterday, let's let's watch that if you'd have told me

adam kinzinger of three years ago that you're going to be endorsing a democrat for president in three years. i probably wouldn't have believed you i would've been like, this has got to be a different adam kinzinger, the campi me, but i got to tell you the stakes of this moment are way too high so of course the question is how many people can you both bring with you? >> and what kind of difference does that make? because there do seem to be a lot of dyed in the wool republicans who maybe they're voting for nikki haley, as you say they don't want to vote for donald trump, but they just can't they just can't break that habit. they can't vote for a democrat yeah, i think between now and november, we've got to go out there and make sure that folks recognize it's okay to vote for joe biden. >> does it mean you're becoming a democrat. it doesn't mean you don't believe in all of the conservative principles that you've kind of cut your teeth on. it just means that you're making a great decision as an american, you're putting somebody back in the office that is maybe doesn't doesn't agree on policies, but a decent person that's going to keep the trains on time and not do it. donald trump has done and will

do to this country for me, i talk a lot about a gop to 0.0. this is about vision casting to these millions of republicans that this is the best way for us to take our medicine accelerate this move towards a better direction for the party. and to me, i think there's millions of american or millions of republicans that are looking for excuse to not vote for donald trump. and we hope to get their attention. >> so i'm last night, you've worked very closely with governor brian kemp here in georgia, and he really showed an highlighted the distinction between donald trump and his republican party and the republican party that has included, perhaps you could argue why fighter swath of people in that he one when donald trump lost here in georgia, and he was on cnn last night talking about what he decided to do in georgia's primary. and i know it's interesting to you and some of our other guests here. let's watch that in the georgia primer i didn't vote for anybody i'll voted. but didn't vote for anybody. you

didn't mean your face was already over when the primary got here, but you didn't vote for donald trump? not ever though, for anybody. >> why not? >> because the rice as everywhere did that surprise you no, it doesn't. >> firstly surprising that he said it out loud. well, brian camp has earned the right to do whatever he wants when he walks in that ballot box, he has been in a great governor. he certainly lead this state through a bunch of difficult times, and he's used conservative principles to do it. but i think it speaks to the broader sense of republican they just have this anxi amongst them. we know in our gut that donald trump is not the right person and i can only imagine what would have, would have been different if governors and senators and the republican party would have stepped up a year ago this time, or two years ago this time and said, you know what, we know the right thing to do. we're going to publicly support somebody that maybe short-term hurts our political career. but long-term health so our country to me, i think that's going to be the monday morning quarterbacking after the election, whether joe biden wins and we realized we could have put anybody else that had an r next to their name and a heartbeat. and could it be them or we got donald trump and we get to watch the train wreck in

circus happen four more years. >> but carry sellers, i mean, these dynamics do, you think ultimately this is going to cut in joe biden's favor in a way that's enough to get him over the finish line. i mean, what and what do you make camp admitting like, hey, i know didn't didn't do that. >> first of all, that was just utterly weird just the juxtaposition of being a sitting governor the state, and not voting for anybody, but going to the polls, i don't really know what all of that means. i think democrats are very pleased and excited with the 42 of geoff duncan and adam qizan. that's first. so they putting the country over party is an important principle in our democracy in the fabric of our democracy i think even more so democrats are more concerned about turning out because i think this is a term when outraised, not necessarily persuasion race. they're more interested in turning out the base like hit black voters here in fulton county to cap county, et cetera. then some of the voters, republican voters were

get around the edges. and i'm interested to hear from both jeff and add them because i do think that they're at 80,000 as you said, republican voters who voted for nikki haley. but what does that look like if he puts doug burgum on the ticket, what does it look like? if he puts nikki haley on the ticket, which you probably will not do. well, what does that look like if he puts sarah huckabee sanders or somebody that's kind of off the beaten path will are republican voters then who are putting country over party or they then contorno number self to say, well, i'm not voting for donald trump. i'm voting for or marco rubio. >> yeah, i think whoever donald trump pyxis is vice presidential pick is going to be the least important person ever in the history of vice presidential picks, right? i mean, just, he just overshadows. he doesn't want anybody to take the spotlight from them and oh, by the way, could you imagine being his vice president actually, like having to wake up every morning and get his memo of things he wants you to do and save for the course of the day. i think it has very little to duplicate this show in amongst republicans is all about one person and it's about donald trump. and i think that's

where we stand today it's this election is going to be about people that are just like me and atom, where we are going to have to wake up and either decide to sit on the couch instead it out, or try to save america all right, attend to governor jeff duncan. very grateful to have you this morning light to be here. thank you. all right. let's turn now to this children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people. >> is that coyotes didn't bring them over. their parents were with them hey, i got separated from their parents immigration. >> it was a major factor the last time joe biden and donald trump face off on a debate stage in 2020, and it's certain to be a flashpoint once again tonight in atlanta, voters rangnick is one of the most important issues of the election cycle. president biden recently took to sweeping executive actions regarding immigration, asylum, and amnesty but the former president taking, of course a different approach, and we've reported he's looking at mass deportation. if you turns to the white house to patients or

goodwill of the american people was being tested by their fears at the border they don't understand a lot of these are the fears my predecessors trying to play on when he says emigrants immigrants, and his words are poisoning the blood of the country. he's going to formally grant a mass amnesty to millions of illegal aliens that came into our country. but delusion of illegals will be given immediate green cards and put on the fast track to rapid citizenship all right, our panel is back in aleks. we've been reporting that the biden white house wants to go on offense if biden campaign, i should say wants to go on offense on the immigration issue is that a pot like how do they thread that needle? because this is an issue or voters really do not trust the president of the united states. yeah, and you saw exactly that that threaten justin last month because they did one executive order that was about cracking down on the board and they did another executive order about trying to grant citizenship for people that have been here for

a decade plus. >> and then the other thing that was over hanging off that is, well, these executive orders were so important. why did they do them four years ago or two years ago? why do it just four months. >> got an office and reversed some of the trauma? policies that then it seemed interested in trying to push back again. >> yeah, sort of in the thrall of victory, my reporting shows at the time, they were so eager to sort of draw that clear moral contrast with donald trump joe biden felt i can tell you felt just like morley offended by some of the immigration policies that that he implemented and they really, even before dhs secretary mayorkas was in was confirmed, they started withdrawing a lot of those policies. and as a result, you now have not just the humanitarian crisis on the border, but a political crisis for the president to, harry, how do you look at this when you think about this issue and how it's going to cut in the election earlier on, i said that democrats are praying that this election is about abortion they are also praying that it is not about immigration. it is one of president biden's worse issues. it's one of donald trump's best issues going back

since he began his run for the president can see the first time around and 2015 and more than that, unlike in these other elections, immigration is at or near the top of the list of issues that voters phi most important. and that i think is the overall problem for joe biden heading in here if you look at the issue list of issues that are most important, you have the economy, you have immigration you have democracy. yeah, the fact is immigration and the economy are good or good issues for donald trump. and then you have to go down to abortion there at 8%. but that's half the level of immigration. and that's the real issue here. the issue is which people are deciding their votes on are much more favorable to the former president than the current one. so sure michael, we have seen since this executive order went into effect, a 40% drop in apprehensions at the border down to 2,400 encounters per day. this is the number of people that the border patrol is running into. basically, it suggests that there has been a marked shift in the number of people trying to come in since that how strong of a point is

that for president biden had a republicans i mean, i'd argue that that's a bad thing. may the case i think president biden has to figure out a way to effectively communicate that to the american people. well, i think republicans in donald trump have been great at reminding people that are under the biden administration 2.3 million people have come into the country illegally, according to dhs. that's a fact that cannot be debated. i think when you look at some of the cases of young women and then being murdered or sexually assaulted, law enforcement being assaulted by illegal immigrants. a lot of people see this on the local news and thinking what is going on at the border, the president is and doing anything about this. and interestingly enough, and this has been surprising to me to watch this year, you've even seen inner cities that have protested migrants coming into their areas and wait a minute here, we already have our own issues. what is going on with this issue? and i think that's a problem for president biden. i mean, because i think you could argue that some but the tactics that border state governors have used to bring this crisis more front and center to voters in different states has been politically

effective for their. >> it's it's been one of the the more disgusting, brilliant political ploys we've seen in recent history. it's one of the atwater ask type of political ploys. i mean, even in inch or michaels elocution right there, you hear the fear that republicans perpetuate when they're talking about immigration i mean, that is they're talking point that is their theme. and it appears to be working decently. i mean, for harry's numbers and people talking about the issue of immigration, they don't talk about it from a perspective of policy though they only talk about it from the fact that migrants are poisoning the blood of this country or they are highlighting crime they committed by illegal immigrants. and so they are perpetuating the sphere. and when you look at i had to pull up what sanctuary cities as are their sanctuary cities in kansas, but governor abbott is not dropping off any migrant buses in kansas, right? he's taking them to chicago. he's taking them to baltimore you take them into these cities that are these big cities utilizing them as you new york city utilizing them to galvanize fear amongst individuals and drive a wedge

between brown voters. i wouldn't say that is fair brick car. >> i think is attempting to get voters in other states, mostly blue, say, sir, recognize where red states in the south have been dealing with for years now well, because to your point, there there are two reasons why this is turning out voters. one is because they feel that there are resources going to some of these people for dad, let's the economy well, yeah. and then there's all and then there are also some people that really i think are motivated by some of his race-based rhetoric that you, that you are talking about. and the thing is is some of these, these appeals by trump when you have these angry rallies where you're having people shout, send them back, send them back. is that going to turn off enough independence, enough people in the suburbs that maybe don't like are approved. joe biden's job, but are a little bit worried. i agree with you, but i just want people to understand that when that the talking points that republicans are used or are there are using are rooted in fear. >> right? it is a fear that a lot of white americans have a being replaced that is what you are seeing. and when you have

that fear of being replaced and when you have that fear of what is, what does eventually happening, which is the browning of this country, you begin to see that become a political issue. the problem i have is that it's absent policy death. and if donald trump gets on stage tonight and just invokes fear that may or may not work if he couples that with policy in some things, he wants to do going forward, that maybe a successful blog. yeah. i mean, i think the challenge for democrats is that when people, a lot of people think about donald trump, i think about build the wall. and they think, okay, that makes sense to me as a policy. and we're in a different place now than we were even, but only building mexico's going to pay for their that's the rub why all right. alex bucaram, michael. thank you, guys so much for being up early with us this morning. harry anton is going to stick around and give us some of his magic numbers are coming up next, we're going to take you behind the scenes if tonight's spin room plus breaking down how tonight's debate could help or hurt each candidate going forward let's

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yellow jackets. obviously today. and tonight, we will be trading the sports teams for politicos. but luck, as you said, casey, it's pretty empty right now, but tonight, we're actually going to have close to 1,000 journalists for more than 170 countries in this room. and of course, surrogates from both the trump campaigns and the biden campaign's you see this area right here behind me. that's where a lot of the exact spinning will be happening and you're totally right, casey, you're going to see surrogates from both sides claiming that their candidate one regardless of what happens on the debate stage. and so tonight, it's really going to be probably standing room only. it's going to be packed, it's going to be a very chaotic with everyone trying to get in there talking points for how they think the debate went for their particular candidate. now, just to take a step back and give you an inside look into how the trump campaign is viewing this debate today. they really are going into this, trying to manage expectations, but also manage expectations for the former president you and i have been talking casey four days

now about them trying to raise them bar for joe biden and trying to get americans to raise their expectations for his performance. but i'm also told that they're trying to get donald trump to walk into de with a different mindset as well. now, they really want him to move away from personal tax. we saw him kind of level some of those personal tax on joe biden back in 2020 when they were on the debate stage, then they do not want donald trump to do that today. they want him to be focused heavily on his messaging. and when i found interesting from my conversations with trump's advisers, is that they're also having a different outlook on the actual debate rules i would initially they did not really like the idea that there was going to be the microphone's being cut off at certain points that there would be no audience in recent conversations. they actually are arguing that they think that will help trump especially to help him stay on message and focus on the key themes they think, will be best for him tonight, yeah, it's really interesting. >> you say that elena, because i have to say as i've been watching these clips of the

debates in 2020, i have had that exact thought. if this is not allowed, i mean, that's what it was at the time. if you remember, that had people feeling as though donald trump had really lost that first debate with joe biden. it's gonna be very different dynamic tonight, alaina train for us this morning. thank you so much for being there for us tonight as we noted, the spinner is going to be a who's who of politics, everyone from campaign staffers to political commentators making the case for their candidates debate performance there's no current clear leader in the polls. so everyone on all sides hoping that this debate is going to change things in their favor. joining me now is cnn senior data reporter, harry entin harry, this has been an incredibly close, almost this feeling static race. we've seen some slow movement in the wake of donald trump's conviction, but this is really the first big moment of the 2024 campaign. what difference could it make? i mean, it can make an absolutely huge difference, right? we know throughout the years that first debates can change things you

think about 1980, right? you went go into that debate, jimmy carter, ronald reagan dead heat. reagan wins that debate all of a sudden, jumps up high in the polls. you think about 20:20, right? joe biden winning that first debate, he was up, but then extended his lead and i think a lot of folks would argue that that first debate performance ferments, if donald trump actually puts in a good performance, he might actually win that potential campaign. and in this particular year, we're dealing with the closest race heading into a first debate on record in which there are doubts about both candidates and can those candidates actually go out there and ameliorate some of those doubts and the voters we're just going to have to wait and say, harry, what is your sense? we talked that we touched on this at the top of the show, but as others have kind of join us as we head closer to six in the morning. what is your sense of how many americans have really been totally tuned out of this presidential race? and really are going to find their way to tuning in tonight, maybe for the first time. yeah, a lot of people have been tuned out because they don't like either one of the candidates, right?

there are a lot of people who are sick of this re-run look, you can look at the different polling data and you can find different percentages of how many folks are likely to watch quinnipiac university poll the came out yesterday, suggested north of 70% of americans were likely to watch that particular debate. and even if they don't watch right, they may pick up stories from the spin room afterwards. that's why the spin room is almost as important as how many people actually watch. because a lot of people are going to be getting these numbers, are getting these videos from their phones afterwards. and this is a vastly different dynamic than we were dealing with ten 1015, perhaps even four years ago, where people were stuck in their homes because of the covid-19 pandemic? yeah. i think we all watched a lot and i certainly watched a lot more television 2020. so did my child, but i did it well now, but now we get to spend time together in person would be better, much better way better carry-ons and so grateful to have you this morning. thank you so much. it's about day in america, how the candidates are preparing in the final hours before they take the stage, we're going to talk to biden campaign co-chair cedric richmond and republican

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