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available at sfethics.org. nature followed was life-changing for me, get growing at neutrophil.com we go forwards in america thursday, july 4, they 70s dirt on see it in you're watching debate night america were just a few hours away from history unfolding right here on cnn. >> tonight's on precedent is showdown between joe biden and donald trump is the first time a current and a former president of ever debated the first time to candidates. i've ever faced off before officially accepted their party's nomination were the stubbornly close election. it could be a make or break moment for both men welcome to our viewers. here are the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in atlanta and i'm kaitlin collins from the cnn spin room just outside the debate hall. >> where are these two candidates are going to go head-to-head tonight? president biden has just touched down here in georgia and we are

expecting for president trump to arrive here in the peach state shortly the stakes tonight, of course, could not be higher for both candidates after months of polling showing the race a relative dead heat, their performances tonight could alter the course of that race and maybe even american history this is debate night in america let's get straight to the final preparations inside both campaigns for tonight's high-stakes debate are senior white house correspondent mj lee is joining us right now. >> she's got details on president biden's plans for tonight. mj. i understand the president has just landed here in atlanta where we are what do we know about his final preparations well, wolf, after the last week of intense debate

preparations, these final hours heading into tonight really felt like the calm before the storm for president biden, we know that he spent the morning at camp david with only please several of his advisers. >> they didn't do any mock debates and the reporters that finally saw him after a week of not seeing him in the last few hours as he has made his way here to atlanta, he didn't say anything to them and i asked a biden adviser what the general mood was like on air force one. as the team made its way to atlanta. and this adviser said fueling good, we are ready to go. but of course, as we know very well, that sort of buoyant message of optimism really doesn't capture the incredible herculean task, but now lies ahead for president biden then they have done their run-throughs. they have refine their methods, their attack leinz of vision that he wants to present a, he has prepared for every version of donald trump. we were told that could come up tonight on the debate stage. but the preparations really end there. it is now hi,

early on, president biden to try to execute on everything that he and his team have not prepare for and practice over the last week. and we are just getting images of the president making a pit stop before heading here to the cnn studios. he it was greeted by supporters of the were sharing. he was shaking hands with them. clearly, it seems like he wanted to get in a good headspace get a good boost of energy, and one advice sir, said that biden's state of mind over the last week heading up to tonight can be summarized by two words. and those two words out wolf are focused and i'm jamie recorded frehse m, j. thank you very much. not a cnn's kristen holmes. she's been working her sources inside the trump campaign. kristen trump is due to land here in atlanta in the next hour or so how has he been spending his final hours preparing? >> well, that's right. well, if i just talked to a senior advisers, he is wheels up on his way to atlanta, georgia for

this debate, he is accompanied by some of his closest senior advisers that includes his campaign managers, chris lacivita and susie wiles, as well as jason miller. now miller, it's been a close ally of donald trump's four roughly last eight years. and he is running point on this debate preparation. of course, if you ask donald trump's advisers, there is no debate preparation. however, miller has been in charge of arranging and sitting in on these various policy sessions as we have reported, they have ranged from anything from how to answer questions on abortion and democracy to how to pivot to the the economy and immigration, as well as inflation. now, they are expected to land here, as you noted, around 530, i've talked to people close to donald trump who say that he is in a good, confident mindset as i'm jay said, it's really up to donald trump and joe biden of who shows up here today and how that performance lands. now areas, allies. we have spoken to him, say the donald trump knows the gravity of the situation tonight that the he knows what is on the table and

that he will remain focused. but if you talk to those who are close to them, they also acknowledged that you never know what version of donald trump you're going to get. they had been watching carefully what is coming out of camp, david, how biden him? itself has been preparing and they have been preparing in reaction to that. again, they say that he is ready, that he is confident in tonight and then he's going to stay on message however, again, you never know which version of donald trump is going to show up here and whether or not president joe biden is able to get under his skin kristen holmes reported from the cnn spin room here in atlanta, kristin, thank you very much, right now, we want to bring you a behind the scenes, look at the stage where the two candidates are set to debate what just five hours or so from now seen as boris sanchez joining us from inside the debate hall, boris walk us through how tonight we'll go wolf the floors have been swept, the lighting has been tweaked, and the microphones have been laid out. the stage

is set for a historic night. a sitting president taking on a former president head-to-head right here on cnn at 9:00 p.m. at hallway. and then donald trump walk out through here and will approach these podiums, which are exactly eight feet apart. let's talk about the actual rules while they're here at the podium, they cannot sit, they cannot bring notes, and they cannot confer with campaign officials it's when we're in a commercial break. there are only allowed to have three things up here. that is pens. and we'll take a close look at them. the pens, the paper, and a glass of water, and maybe a tau as well in case they start sweating. the most important component, the most important thing on this podium other than this microphone, is this set of lights right here. remember the rule? who's wolf? a candidates microphone will be muted once there are a lot of time to speak is up. this will be green when the microphone is on, it'll turn red once they're time is expired.

let's give you a view now of where the moderators are going to be sitting. this is what the candidates are going to be seeing tonight. you're going to have dana, bash and jake tapper moderating this debate and asking questions of the candidates, how exactly is it going to work? they will ask one candidate an overarching questions. the candidate will then have two minutes to respond. his opponent will have one minute for a rebuttal and then the original candidate will have another minute to respond to the rebuttal. aside from that, the two moderators are going to opportunity to ask a follow-up question, and then the candidates will have a minute to respond to that. follow. how are they going to be able to tell time given all those cues, there is a light, a colored light on top of the cameras where the candidates are going to be facing when they have 15 seconds left in their response. this is going to turn yellow when they have five seconds, it'll start flashing red. and then when their time has expired it'll be a steady red light on top of the cameras, so they will know and it'll be every camera in the studio. so they'll know exactly when they're time to talk is up. now, one question

that has been lingering over this debate is about the muting of the microphone's. you have to remember these podiums are only eight feet apart, so even if a candidates microphone is muted, we at home may not be able to distinguish exactly what they're saying, but there's no question that the other candidate standing only a few feet away is going to be able to hear them and potentially that may lead to interruptions. it may lead to responses to something that we haven't heard from the other candidate it'll be potentially true it'll be intense and it'll be right here on cnn at 9:00 p.m. we'll and all of these rules for the debate tonight have been approved by both both candidates. of course, sanchez, thanks preserves very much. just ahead. are details from our team of reporters on what's happening right now behind the scenes. and these the final hours before today its face off. and kaitlan collins is set joined by an all-star panel. were gaming the mission for both sides. stay right here the

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what you're looking at here on set. so that red carpet that you see will be filled with politicos and surrogates after the debate spinning health, their candidate did. during this 90 minute historic debate here on cnn biden arrived here in atlanta a short while ago when we do expect president trump to be here on the ground soon ahead of that epic rematch between the two, that the president climbing down from air force one, trump on his plane shortly i am lucky to be surrounded by a team of powerhouses. as we look ahead to this debate, we have republican strategist for michael singleton and foreseen and political commentators here joining us, jonah goldberg, who was the editor and chief and co-founder of the dispatch. ashley allison, the former national coalitions director for the biden 2020 campaign. kristen salt. does anderson, a republican strategist and pollster and bucaram sellers, a former south carolina state rep. i think we have got the resume if every single political job that you've ever could have held on this panel. so obviously that is why you're the experts and spin room for a

lot of people who were like, what is the spin room is where all of the candidates surrogates come after their allies reporters are also in here listening to them asking them how the debate went. but because looking at this, i mean, these two men have not been in the same room, much less eight feet apart from each other in four years. and it's a striking to think. they haven't been in a moment where they're debating each other in a sense like this since 2020. >> so this environment is palpable i think the word of the night i've been thinking about all this this entire day. the word of the night is energy it's so much energy here in the spin room has so much energy in atlanta, everybody's talking about it. the streets has set down. people are going in different directions. and what we have to see from both of these candidates. one, because it's 9:00, two because of their age and three because like you said, they hadn't been together and so long as energy, i expect to see more of a docile type of donald trump trying to stay on message, low-energy donald trump is what we call them, but i expect joe biden to be somebody who brings

a lot of energy, particularly in the first 15, 20 minutes, because that is when this debate is one, mike tyson, the great get american poet once said that everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. and so i want to see who's going to come out and throw the first punch. and i'm expected to see joe biden come out with that energy at 9:01, showing that he can serve another four years. yeah. sure. my god, i mean, we've been hearing i've been talking to people in both of these campaigns and i do think they're going to both come out of this this gate, come out of the gate here ready to go? i mean, i think so, but i just hope that president biden is careful and doesn't trip over himself in the first ten or 15 minutes because that isn't going to look good for him. >> look, i think donald trump has one key message here, caitlin, that is a showcase that he is capable to lead the country again for another four years the showcase that despite what our opinions may be about him because of the rallies, because of some of the tweets that we saw on truth social, that he is principally concerned with the issues i'd impact everyday americans. those kitchen table issues as jane it's carnival once said it's the economy stupid. 32 years ago is still the

economy's stupid today in donald trump needs to showcase that he's in the best position to improve the economic condition of hard work and americans and i think that's as number one objective. >> jonah, what are you going to be looking for in the first? 20 critical minutes that are that are going to be playing out here mostly looking forward to seeing how quickly their plans evaporate i agree with the energy thing. >> i mean, it's a little like brian santana and anchorman, its panda watch, right? i mean, we're, we're into this, but i think that they're going to have i generally think the presidential debates don't really matter much. i think this is different because in a lot of ways for good reasons and bad, but the vibes election and this is going to be vibes debate we have to essentially literal or figurative incumbent candidates. nima, we'd never had that before. and to tell us debate or really in an election at all. and they're not here to introduce themselves to voters. voters know who these people are. they've 100% name id, they're here to reassure voters and trump needs to reassure people that he's not

going to bring more chaos like you did last time. and biden is the reassure people that he's up to the job for another four years and that's a weird debate. strategy to have to implement when we other guys trying to trip you up at it. >> yeah. yeah there's this push and pull of like is this about the past or this about the future? >> and i think it has to be the whole story. it has to be don't forget what type of president donald trump was. don't forget what he has been doing the last four years since he hasn't then president, don't forget what happened a couple of weeks ago where he is the only person running for president that now has 34 felony convictions. and looking at the camera, joe biden, i know what i can do for you of the american people. i know things are not perfect, but this is why i am ready for the job. i do think that this debate will be one and the first 15 to 20 minutes, and then it will be one on tiktok, twitter and instagram. because if one of these candidates have a memorable moment or a clip able moment that is what folks who still might not be paying

close attention to the debate tonight will be paying attention to tomorrow. so you will then the first 20 and then don't stumble for the rest of the race. well, i think one thing that's notable is that we're even here, that we are sitting in a spin room right now because a few months ago, it was not guaranteed that we'd even have a presidential debate. >> this elections i absolutely and i think what's fascinating to me is that i always assumed that donald trump for all of his bluster about saying, i'll debate you anywhere anytime he is currently leading vary slightly in the polls. so in some ways he has the most to lose here, because any outcome of this debate that dramatically reshapes the race shore, it could dramatically reshape it by causing democrats to go, whoa, biden was so bad, we need a new strategy, but there's also a chance that it goes just bad enough for trump that suddenly he loses that edge that he's had over the last couple of months. so that's why i think if you are a biden fan, you have to be watching this debate, like through closed fingers like, oh, please, please, please pull

it off in some ways it's actually trump that may have slightly more to lose yeah. >> well, i mean, we've seen nothing shakeup this rights that conviction didn't do much to change the numbers that we were looking at. so that is a moment that both campaigns are hoping to avoid. one that's bad, but also hoping to strike one that does stick in voters minds and could prove something that actually does make movement here. because the next debates, not for several months i oftentimes reject the premise that the race hasn't been shaken up, mainly because nobody's paying attention. tonight is the first night that people will tune in and watch tonight as the first night that people will have an opportunity to see both of these men outside of the caricatures that everybody tries to make about them. we've seen trump come out of court. are you seeing the clips of biden tripping on x and you've seen those things, but this is the first time that the american public is really going to be able to lay eyes on both of them. and that's what going to cedric richmond and i spoken to julie rodriguez, two people who are very influential that i have a

great deal of respect for and biden world and what they want to do is put a mirror up to donald trump and say, look, do not forget the chaos that was four years ago. this country, voters in this country, we have a very, very, very short memory it's so mcdonald's, we we speak in tweets. we remember something that happened 30 minutes ago. we listened to podcasts. that's about it. so there is a nostalgia for donald trump and sometimes people don't remember the chaos that surrounded it tonight. joe biden has to put that mirror up and say, look, this, do crazy. you want me or you want this dude who's crazy and you know what i've been thinking a little bit today? there is an energy in the city and signing there is an energy in the city and i can sometimes be a glass half empty type of person in this political environment. but this morning i woke up and i was reminded we talk about democracy this is democracy in action for voters who are like the system doesn't work for me for voters who are like, i

don't know if i want to go vote. there was a free press out here right now and we are covering it and you can say something. i don't like, and i can say something you don't like, but we're allowed to say that in america because that is democracy today, we have the supreme court come out with important decisions somewhere for democrats, some were former cup republicans. that is democracy. tonight, we are going to see two candidates. it could not be more different, but that is democracy. and so when people are saying it doesn't matter that is at stake, all of that is at stake. the fact that you even get to decide whether you want on a vote or not is democracy so tonight is really important, but i think there's also an opportunity for the surrogates in the room tonight in the spin room for everyone watching and having conversations at their kitchen table before after this debate to really understand what is at stake when we say donald trump could win this, am trying strip it all away because he's made threats about it. and i don't take him lightly with his never even republicans who were looking at this and not sure who to vote for. i mean, right here in georgia, 78,000 georgians voted for nikki haley in the primary

here. she wasn't even on the ballot or she was on the ballot, but she dropped out of the race by then, the georgia governor, who was just here in the spin room being followed around by reporters. a few moments ago told me yesterday that he did not vote for donald trump. he will be voting for him this november, but he just loved his ballot blank. so there are those voters as well. republicans will be watching to see which candidate are they going to go with if they're undecided? yeah. i mean, like when you say there's a lot of differences between these candidates, there's a lot of differences between these candidates. but for voters right now, like a lot of issues don't seem to matter very much. biden, very much wants to make democracy the issue of the election. donald trump is not losing on that issue according to the polls, like the biden camp campaign is married to this idea of what ought to be rather than what is in terms of what divining people and i think there are a lot of voters. sadly, the voters who are going to decide this election, they don't think there's that much difference between these two guys. they seek to old guys who look like they should be fighting over the check at an early bird dinner at denny's. i mean, like

it's too old, cranky, grumpy old men are going to have a fight and that i don't know that it helps either of them that visual jonah goldberg. thanks, everyone. don't worry, they're all sticking around. we have much more to talk about because tonight's highly anticipated debate is coming, is actually just met on the same day of that major supreme court decision that does allow emergency abortions in idaho, but there's a limit to that. i'll talk with democratic senator amy klobuchar, who he said that today's ruling is far from a victory tonight, my for atlanta the most anticipated moment of this election biden doctor, on america isn't future because that we are a nation of possibilities. >> trump. we had the best honor me, we had the best order. we had the best of everything, and now we get to do it all over again. we're gonna do it even better two very different visions for america. one unprecedented night moderated by change tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate

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spin room on the side of tonight's historic presidential debate between president joe biden and former president donald trump. >> and just hours before that debate happened, the debate is happening. supreme court handed down a major decision in one of the most anticipated cases of the supreme court term the court is now voting to allow emergency abortions in idaho when a pregnant patients health as at serious risk idaho as one of the strictest abortion bans in the nation, as we know. and the 6-3 decision, which was briefly posted yesterday online by mistake, i should note. and was reflected in them. they officially released it today. it creates a temporary win for reproductive rights advocates while the case will continue to move to the lower courts. joining me on this ruling and much more democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota and senator, it's great to have you here and i know a place for you are deeply familiar with. >> and there's a lot of energy and seeing this red carpet scene president biden arrive with reminded me of how he was before those primary debates

few years ago, just a lot of enthusiasm. he loves talking to people other candidates are burrowed down and he is just, hey, talking to people, which i think is him. so it was funded. see that? and it is great to be here with you. well and one of the things that he's been at camp david for several days now, preparing for this moment for this arrival here in atlanta, obviously one of the things we know he is planning to the supreme court ruling today on high to idaho, how that affects his strategy or how you think he should utilize that on the stage? >> well, good question. and as you know, this idaho law, like what we're seeing in other states as well. there are literally been women bleeding out in parking lot to be close to the hospital in the emergency room because they've been told we can't give you the reproductive care you need. we can't give you the abortion until you're near death. that's what this is about. so the court is basically punted. they are not ruling on this at this time, which allows the court decision out of the idaho

case to stand, but it isn't by no means means a victory. and it is the point that president biden will make. we need to codify roe v. wade into law. and you have a clear difference in the visions of these two candidates. you have president biden working to codify roe v. wade, standing up for women's rights. and then you have president trump, who only recently very clearly said that he was proudly the person responsible for overturning roe v wade because of the judges that he had appointed. >> yeah. but when president biden, he does often talk about codifying roe versus wade. he can't do that obviously on his own. that has to do with the body that you serve it with the house as well. and i think so what about voters who look at that and say that doesn't seem realistic? in this moment that that actually is going to happen on capitol hill. what can president biden himself due on this issue? >> i think it is completely realistic because many odds makers predict that we're going to win the house of representatives. and i think we can get this done right now. that house is run by

republicans. and so i think it is a realistic point and it's going to be on voter's minds as it was in the prairies of kansas when they came out in droves and voted on a referendum on this and ohio and the virginia legislative races in the wisconsin supreme court races, women and the men that stood with them stood up and said, you know what? we may not agree with everything with the democrats, but man, we're not going to let our freedoms be taken away. we don't like this. donald trump who says he wants to be a dictator from day one. all of this is going to be, i would predict on the debate stage tonight, you won that debate stage with president biden when he was vice president didn't biden. and when he comes out and speaking of trump's criminal conviction, do you want to see hear him just flat out called trump, a convicted felon. how do you think he should approach that on the stage tonight? >> i think it's a fair point of debate. he is facing someone who has 91 federal and state felony indictments, someone who has been convicted over 30

times, four crimes that took big deal. you haven't seen that before in a presidential race. and president biden believes in the rule of law. he's appointed judges that believe in the rule of law. so i think it is fair game for him to talk about but in this debate, and i hope he does bring it up. >> what about his age? that's another big concern that we've seen from voters. obviously, neither of these candidates is exactly young. do you think it's something that president biden references directly or does a bigger as performance if that's what we see, like the state of the unit speaks for itself. how does a candidate handle something like that? >> well, first of all, they're very close in age, so let's not forget and 81 and i would take 81 over 91. that would be 91 indictments for criminal behavior which trump has. but i think that you are correct on this. the way president biden showed up in a big way at the state of the union the way he was able to handle people yelling at them, hecklers. he just want when it was strong. but you see the same thing at normandy. you say the same thing with a president shows up

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until the history is being made right here on cnn and the location of tonight's debate is worth noting not only is it the birthplace of cnn, but also a crucial swing state, which president biden narrowly won back in 2020 on his way to the white house, joining us now is georgia's republican governor, brian kemp, governor. thank you so much for joining us. we always love coming back to georgia. you told her colleague, kaitlan collins yesterday that trump should defocus on the future and the issues and tonight's debate. do you think trump can stick to that script i think he can i mean, he has a great ability to contrast with the president's message and make the case to the american people that they can afford four more years of joe biden that's what i'm hearing from people every day wolf when they go to the grocery store, they're mad when they're going to the gas station, they're mad. >> they're mad where they're seeing stories of terrorists coming across pasta southern border and a lot of people that are here illegally and the crime that comes along with

that. and just a tragic things that have happened. and so i think there's a clear contrast. he's got to stay focused next four years under my leadership versus the current administration. >> you also revealed in that interview with kaitlan that you did not vote for trumping your state's republican primary? listen to how you're former lieutenant governor, geoff duncan reacted to that. listen to this brian camp has earned the right to do whatever he wants when he walks in that ballot box has been a great governor. >> he certainly lead this state through a bunch of difficult times, and he's used conservative principles to do it. but i think it speaks to the broader sense of republicans that they just have this anxi, amongst them. we know and our gut that donald trump is not the right person so how much did that broader anchor and the republican party about trump impact your choice not to vote for him in the republican primary? yeah well

i'm not too worried about i asked her things that happened in the past. a look at the primary was over when it got here, he was the presumptive nominee at the time and i'm looking forward and on know he is too i mean, there's a lot of republicans that voted for a lot of different people over this process. but all that doesn't matter right now will what matters is is that we're focused on the future. i've said all along won the primary started, when there was a lot of great republicans running for president that i was going to support the nominee. that's what we're doing today. we're focused on our ground game here in the state, making sure that we're holding our legislative majorities. i had a fundraiser this week for former governor larry hogan from maryland, hoping he can win a senate seat and get control the senate back. we're helping you to speaker johnson hold the house and we want to control the white house. and i'm on board doing that. so that's why i'm staking stay focused on the future and that's really been my advice to former president trump to, to say, stay focused on the future, tell people why

they should vote for us. and while the republican agenda will be better for you over the next four years then the biden agenda has it's been were told governor that president biden is going to paint trump as a threat to democracy tonight. and january 6 as a seismic watershed for american in voters, how should trump handle that well, i think he should just turn that back on president biden not get distracted by those type accusations not get bogged down and the politicize that politicization that you've seen of the justice system from the other side and from the democrats, and really stay focused on what the people that are undecided in this race of the people that he did not get in the last election, that he needs to get in this one to be able to beat joe biden and it is a pocketbook election. >> a lot of people that voted for joe biden last time, they're worse off now than they were four years ago. and present, former president trump has a great opportunity to bring those folks back in the

fold if he's talking about issues as he's comparing records in speaking about the future. and i believe he's going to focus on that denied if he does, he's going to have a really good night. you know, if he dutton and gets bogged down on the things that the president is trying to push him into you know, he's not going to have a good night georgia governor brian kemp. >> thanks so much for joining us and thanks for the hospitality here in georgia i'm coming up, are political experts are standing by with more news and analysis just ahead of today's historic face-off between president biden and former president trump you're watching debate night in american tonight. my for midland, the most dissipated moment of this election, biden. >> that's rod running mate america doesn't future is that we are a nation of possibility. trump. we had the best economy, we had the best border, we had the best of everything. and now we get to do it all over again.

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president, former president really has to showcase stability in this moment. are there is a serious level of disillusionment. i would argue among the greater american populace, and they do remember a moment time the first two years of the trump administration, where the economy was vibrant, where it was viable, where they did feel secure about their economic future. that is no longer the case. and so the former president has, i would argue, caitlin and incredible incredible opportunity two articulate a vision of forward for the american people who are looking for an out for what they see as a very chaotic and uncertain moment. people want to fill security about their future with their children. they want to feel confident that they can build a family. we're you're seeing less american star families at earlier stages of their lives. we're seeing less americans buy their first homes. we're seeing college students graduate with an inability to live in a major city comfortably. and so people are wondering which of these two men can build that future that provides security. and i think the person who articulates that the greatest were having bannon's out of this debate.

so i think you've got it right, but this is going to be a debate about who's going to provide security and stability and what's so interesting is that earlier in our discussion, there was a lot of talk about how donald trump is mr. chaos, and that there's gonna be a lot of attempts by joe biden to bring that chaotic, unstable donald trump out. >> but it is worth noting that donald trump is going to prior to make the same case about joe biden, the add that his campaign released today included things like clips from the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan we in the political punditry world sometimes tried to separate out the personality from the issues, but voters don't really see it that way. and the personality of these two men is joe biden strong with it, able to be a leader? is donald trump, able to hold back the crazy for just a little bit. that's critically tied to the way they think they would handle the economy, immigration and more. well, i've already seeing the talking points come out. obviously every candidate for fares leinz for this donald trump is actually posting the lines that were sent to him by a former epa topped epa official when it comes to the climate, but we've also seen

trump previewing what his arguments are going to be on democracy. obviously that's a huge issue for president biden, that he cares deeply about. president trump's saying today on truth, social, actually, it's biden who is the greatest threat to democracy. he often takes threats or takes criticisms of him and turns it around on whoever is labeling him without two things i would i would push back on my my good friends and colleagues and say that while they may reminisce about the first two years of the trump administration. we remember things like a muslim ban. we remember things like the instability in the department of justice remember he had a guy who was the attorney general for about 13 seconds. i can't remember his name. that whitaker was his name. and use continue saw that you see the architect of january 6th. you remember charlottesville good people on both sides and that is kind of the chaos that people think about. remember when they talk about about donald trump on the flip side, this is what joe biden has to do, and this is where democrats drive me crazy. you can not put your head in the sand on issues like crime inflation, and immigration and

you cannot say, even though i can tell you right here, i can look dead in the camera and say luck in major cities, violent crime is decreasing we know that we know that, we know that inflation is plateauing. we can see that. but the problem is people don't feel that we cannot ignore that and democrats have put their head in the sand. for a very long period of time, particularly on those three issues in joe biden has to be able to answer it for that and then get out of it pivot and talk about what the future will look like is he nimble enough to do that? i would argue, yes, but those are gonna be three issues that can get him on the defensive. and if he does not answer them well, it's gonna be it's gonna be a hell of a knife at those people they put in the spin room. i will be at the bar had a company to go able to pay might be like hiding i think it is issues are really important in this debate. but i guess i would say i wouldn't do it in a laundry list. i did this. i did this. i did this. now, the focus groups that i've observed when people actually hear what joe biden has done for them, not like, oh, i like that. i

support that so it's not working to do a laundry list. we've tried that for three-and-a-half years and the poll numbers are still where they are. i recommend personalizing this, talk about the plant that donald trump couldn't keep open. but joe biden kept open talk about how the chips act in arizona is booming and money is going into the state talk about how today we had a supreme court decision that just kick the can down and how we're actually having a debate of whether a doctor could provide emergency medical care for a woman, is that the country we live in? those mn tell the story identify the person in the state the connect the dots, make the american people see those stories as themselves. and when we do, we see those numbers move in. joe biden's favor. i'll save to your point shore michael. sure. perhaps people remember that the economy two under the first two years of donald trump were good. but you know why? because he inherited in economy that brock obama and joe biden built for him. and then when the covid hit he failed. he was a terrible liter. we weren't even

able to do things like this four years ago because donald trump told us to put bleach in our bodies and then joe biden got it. he's slowly he's passed more legislation to get our economy back on track. are the american public feeling it now? no, not yet. but if we quit and we can revert back to donald trump, it will get worse but if, if not, now, then when will people fill it? i mean, there's a reason to ask policies, there's a reason actually that people look at the former president and they do believe whether rifle or not, and we can get into the semantics of this, but they do believe that under donald trump, he would do a better job restoring the economic conditions of this thank you. they do believe that donald trump would do a better job securing the border. they do believe that donald trump did a better job of avoiding some of the foreign conflicts that we now see under the biden administration, no, they believed that if donald trump gotten office, he were ripped families away a part again, their babies would be crying in cages without their mother that took months to reunite. >> that's it's what i remember the majority of americans actually agree with donald trump of removing

illegal border crossings are down lower right now in this moment, under joe biden than they were under lower for a week, the people who agree with you are already going to vote for joe all right? correct. the problem is the people who are left that are still persuadable and it's a small number of people. and the problem that i think the job but luck, it's a weird situation in 2020 joe biden ran as a generic democrat because americans are like all we need is a generic democrat to get rid of donald trump. that's all we want. >> a distance himself from the left. >> he was he was he was vanilla. he was helped by covid with the whole running from the basement thing. he was bland. you couldn't turn them into some sort of radical or anything like that kind of stuff because he'd been around for 50 years, people knew who he was. now he's got a record and the incumbent presidents at the end of the first term running for reelection. the argument that they want to make is don't change horses in midstream all the poles are screaming that a lot of people want to change horses in midstream. they just look at the other, the horse and

they're like, i know that horace e, and so it gives them an opening if a generic republican, if it had been nikki haley or, or governor kemp, who was on the ticket right now, i think you'd be looking at a blow out landslide for the republicans. >> yeah, two presidents to records that voters know very well. it can, judge, will see what they decide. obviously, we'll see how they defend them tonight, at least stage are countdown is continuing. we're going to take it inside look at the debate hall. what does it look like where donald trump and joe biden will be side-by-side. it just a few hours from now will also remind i knew about what the debate rules are there like, unlike anything we've seen at presidential debates before, all of that, after a quick break et me introduce you to

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tonight's historic showdown from every three angle, both candidates hoping to land new attacks and speak directly to voters as they try to shake up a race that's been deadlocked for months, right now, are political team has gathering new information inside both campaigns as we count down to the most consequential event of the election, at least so far watching debate night in america we start off this hour with cdns jeff zeleny, jeff, obviously a being question here is about the rules for this debate. >> that's what makes it unique and different from what we saw when these two candidates were last on stage together in 2020, give us an overview of exactly what it's going to look like inside that debate hall tonight? >> okay. and it certainly does. and we should point out both campaigns, both candidates have

agreed to these rules and the rules are there will be no audience and that will be dramatically different from the debates four years ago. and certainly other debates we've seen. in fact, it will be more like the first televised presidential debate between john f. kennedy and richard nixon where there was just the two candidates and the moderators in the studio. so it will be the candidates who will be standing just eight feet apart. this will be at close range to say the least, and the two men, as you said, have not been in the same room for four years. they've been of course, campaigning and dueling from long distance. there'll be at close range tonight. they are not allowed to bring in any notes. they are not allowed to have any advisers even during the two commercial breaks. so there will be standing there. we will see if they engage with one another, but perhaps one of the biggest changes from the first debate last time, which was filled with interruptions and hectoring from the at the time president donald trump to former vice president joe biden is the microphone's the microphones will only be on for the candidates who are speaking

at that time, they will have a couple of minutes to answer so the questions and then they will have one minute to rebut. but again, the microphone only on when the candidate who is being directed a question, we'll speak so we will see how that changes the dynamic of this, but it will not be until after the debate is over 90 minutes long. there'll be standing on in stage where they will be joined by one guest. if it's a family member or friend, we shall see, but that is the only time they will have a lifeline if you will after the debate is over. so it's extraordinary, caitlin these two candidates very practiced, of course, had been on so many stages. it will be standing alone tonight, eight feet apart, right here in atlanta yeah, neither of them is a stranger to the debate stage, but they by be a little rusty. they have a been on it for years. certainly not you in this kind of sense that we are going to see here tonight with each other. and obviously jeff, that likely influences this is how these campaigns 4, were preparing for tonight. what have you heard from officials in both camps about how the

rules and how all of these changes are factoring into what it's gonna look like when they get on stage look, they both are trying to do a similar thing and shake up the race to make voters see them as the best alternative for a second term for the biden side, they are trying to remind voters, shake them if you will. >> remind people of the trump administration what he did during his four years in office and his plans for a second term, should he make them they're trying to disqualify him in the minds of voters, but also trying to get democrats and others who may not be thrilled about a biden a second term, to see him as a unacceptable alternative but for the trump side, they are focusing on biden's record. caitlin is probably the biggest the difference of these debates overall is that biden now has a presidential record. he has stood on so many debate stages, but this is the first time that he has his own record on inflation on the economy, on immigration, and indeed foreign affairs. so this will not be

simply talking about the trump record as happened four years ago, both records will be side-by-side, but that is where history may not be our best guide here we have two incumbent presidents. they both have a practice record the question here is style and stamina. talking to voters here in georgia this week, caitlin, perhaps they're not interested in the nuance of policy as much as which one looks the most presidential, which one looks strong again, standing for 90 minutes? it's not easy. so we will see how each one of these candidates do tonight, but it's 90 minutes on stage. but this will linger for far longer, likely for the rest of the campaign caitlin yeah. >> those records will be scrutinized. we'll see how they defend them. jeff zeleny. thank you for that. and book chrysler's pardon my all-star panel. that's back here with me. that is a great point that the geoff makes is last time president biden was onstage, he had not yet been president. he didn't have a record to defend in the same sense that donald trump did certainly not because of the coronavirus pandemic, but the other thing is naive and what they're going to say,

it's the fact that they are eight feet apart from one another. and chris wallace, who was one of two people who knows what it's like to moderate a debate with these two. he said that's much closer than they were in that first debate of 2020. they were not standing anywhere near that close so there are a couple of things about one and joanna brought this up earlier defending his record. he now has a presidential record to run on. and i think we all know that for joe biden, it's about the record, but that's really secondary on voters all right it's how he looks when he defends his record. people want to know that joe biden can do the job. he's 81-years-old. we know that both of the i hate the fact that we tried to say one is old and the other 78. they're both old, right. and so he has to look the part he has to be energetic, at least for the first few moments because 90 minutes is a long time to be on that stage. you don't get the feed off the energy of anybody else. you don't get the beat up on little marco are lying ted, there's nobody else's wife. the call ugly on. it's just you and another human being.

the problem also when you're talking about staying locked in if i was you know, if it's basketball, i'm like, look, biden, stay locked in for 90 minutes. you cannot let up on this guy. you got to stay locked in but because they're so close and because the mics cut off, i do not believe that when the mic cuts off, donald trump is going to cut off and my fear is that, that may pose some presentation difficulty for the president of the united states because his heart is hill to communicate about afghanistan, foreign policy gaza, health care. when you have somebody yelling over here, the bodies can't hear, but it sounds crazy to you. and i think that type of closeness, just aesthetically and presentation may pose some issues for the president does bear in mind remember in the last debate when he said, will you shut up, man, that was one of those elements that went really viral and made biden look a little more vigorous, a little more. he was kind of

channeling the inner thoughts of a lot of people watching. but if you can't hear what donald trump is saying that he wants him to shut up man about. maybe that changes thing. i mean, bear in mind donald trump came up in the world of television. television is a medium he understands and excels at. what will be a challenge for him, i think is that donald trump does best when he gets to be in kind of celebrity donald trump mode apprentice donald trump mode. and this is very presidential, this is very historic, much more significantly traditional one. so it'll be curious to see how does a question to my three republican france for a second. sure. i'm intrigued can donald trump talk substantive policy? for 90 minutes? that's he had the ability to do that i don't think so i think cashflows is a democrat quickly on the conservative, but i don't really call mazola republican anymore look, i think he's going to try to be really disciplined for the first 20 minutes, 25 minutes, right? >> and then he's going to feel

like he ate his spinach. and now he gets to have this desert and start and he's going look the way i think about this is he's never been able to stay on script unless he's actually reading a script, right he's also historically the first debate are always go badly for incumbent presidents because they spent four years is a president and no one's, everyone saying yes to them and above the law, donald trump has spent four years at mar-a-lago surrounded by an entourage that tells him everything he says is brilliant. so he hasn't been criticized from eight feet away in the last four years, the last eight years, except on a big debate. so i think they're both eminently rateable. you can just eating get under the skin. the problem is christmas point is how does it look when joe biden or donald trump perfectly legitimately says off camera, will you shut up? and no one has any idea i think i think that's an important part though.

>> it's not just the audio, it's a visual debate. the split screen tonight is going to be important if you're a candidate talking to a television screen like what do you think is going to don't make that amino but if that's how you're talking it will look strange to the american public. so when people break the rules, i think it's important to be able to show that pitcher because that was one of when you go back and re-watch the debates this is dedicated my life to doing this week, you see that oftentimes biden would look directly at the camera when when trump was speaking a lot and chattering and zero, he would just look directly at the camera and say, okay, it doesn't matter what my family or his family matters that your family it seemed to be an effective method, but drug let me ask you something. we're just learning, which is married trump, who is donald trump's niece? she isn't a strange niche is by no means been a fan of history, wrote a book incredibly critical of him we've just learned that she is going to be here in this spin room tonight, not on behalf of the trump family, but she is joining the biden campaign as a

surrogate. i don't think delta will be surprised to know that she's not supporting him. but but what do you make of the fact that that she's coming out here and she saying in a quote tonight that's seen as just obtaining she's in atlanta to remind everyone who donald trump is as a person and how he would rule as a president because the stakes are far too high. married, trump says for us to get this wrong, and she says that he can't be a now allowed near the levers of power again, i don't think it's going to matter for republican voters, and i would go as far as to say that some of trump's supporters, but frankly see it as trail. i mean, this is a nice, you're going against your own family member, whether you like and monod perhaps this is something that you should deal with behind closed doors. but i wanted to say something about president by and this is, i think one of his greatest strengths and assets the president has a very, very unique ability to showcase compassion during turbulent and uncertain times. we've talked a lot about the economic conditions. we talked a lot about immigration. and i think president biden could have an opportunity if he so chooses to talk to directly to the american people about understanding where they are i think he has an opportunity to

say because of my age. yeah, i've slowed down a little bit, but i've seen a whole lot of things. i do understand what it takes to rebuild when things are sort of faulty and shaky. i think he has an opportunity to articulate to the american people. i may not be here to see what the future is going to look like in the next 20 years. but i can help be a part of the process to guide the nation to that future sure that can be a very, very powerful moment for the president. i think that would resonate deeply with a lot of independent voters and a lot of moderate republicans. yeah, we'll see what it looks like. obviously, there'll be watching closely tonight at one of the earliest debates we've ever seen, that's remarkable in and of itself, ever in standby because we are counting down to this presidential debate here on cnn. president biden has arrived here in atlanta. we are waiting for, for president donald trump and his plane to touch down. any moment we'll be tracking all of this live also the key issues that biden and trump are going to try to capitalize on. they each have different priorities that they want to make sure voters are them talk about on that stage that you're seeing right here, we'll talk about that. after a quick break

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call now and we'll come to you 808 to 14000 any moment now, we're expecting donald trump to arrive at a lana's hartsfield-jackson international airport for tonight's main event. president biden has already landed seen as kristen holmes is joining us right now, chris, and this is a big moment just ahead of tonight's debate set to see from where you are that's right. well, if so what we expect from donald trump is he's going to land at the airport. he'll be greeted by supporters, then he'll come straight here to the debate site where his team has room setup. that's where he's going to stay until the debate get acclimated with the setup with the podiums with this area, and also have some time to talk to his senior advisors and prepare right ahead of that debate. now, as we have been reporting, donald trump has been spending the last several days in mar-a-lago. he is expected to have a rally tomorrow in virginia. but what he has been focused on is conversations that is how donald trump has done his debate prep while his team has said they don't use

the word preparation when it comes to donald trump, it is very pretty clear that they are taking this debate very seriously. jason miller, one of donald trump's closest allies, has been running point on this debate preparation, and that means setting up or raise entering and sitting in on various policies sessions from everything from how to answer questions on abortion to add our answer questions on democracy, particularly donald trump's role in january whereas six, what he has said since then, including what he said about pardoning individuals who are involved in an insurrection on that day. now we've also learned from these senior your advisers, if they have drilled down to donald trump at the most important thing that he can do is focus on key issues for voters. they've identified those she was particularly through polling as the economy, particularly inflation, as immigration, as crime rates. these are things they think what will resonate with voters and donald trump has a message that he wants to send. that message is where you better off under my administration, particularly when it comes to

the economy or are you better off now? and that really goes to the heart? part of what we know tonight's be a historic moment because we have never before seen a former us president on the stage with a current us president. and both of these teams are seeking to contrast the administration's that they have already had their records, that they believed that they have already proven. now, of course, the outline buying factor here is who donald trump is at his core. we know that president biden is planning attacks on donald trump. and the question is whether or not trump reciprocates those. we talked about we see at these rallies when he has these crowds of supporters he really doubles down on nasty personal attacks against not only biden, but his family. will we see that tonight? spoken to a number of allies and donors in particular who say they don't want to see that, they don't want this to get into mudslinging. they think that donald trump will actually be able to appeal to the voters who needs to appeal

to by talking about messaging, we talk about those voters he needed it's to appeal to your talking about the number of voters in the middle who are likely to determine this election. that's what they want to see from donald trump when he takes the stage let's see what happens. kristen holmes reporting for us. kristen will be checking back with you frequently to be sure. any moment now we expect donald trump's plane to be wheels down here in atlanta. we're going to bring that to you plus, the messages we're hearing right now from close supporters of president biden and former president trump in the hours before and tonight's debate. that's also coming the most anticipated moment of this election. >> and the stakes couldn't be higher president and no former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash. the cnn presidential debate tonight at nine live on cnn and streaming unmet in official message for medicare about fraud treene knee brace from my medicare number medicare fraud can happen through text call or

email. they try next hello, i'm calling about your medicare you are looking live right now as dollars i'll trump's plane has just landed here in atlanta, georgia. >> there it is taxing down the runway that comes after we solve president biden land not too long ago. he's waiting at a nearby hotel until he makes his way to the debate hall where he is going to be meeting with, of course, is top advisors as he's preparing for this debate has been at camp david for several days for for president donald trump has also been somewhere you don't typically find him this time a year at his mar-a-lago club in palm beach, florida. normally he's at his new jersey clubs, reporters who covered him know well, during the summer months, but he has been there because it was a more seclusion, airy space for him to be thinking about debate prep. you wasn't around everyone. it lunches and dinners like he typically is at his clubs. it does show how differently the two of them.

sure. michael have prepared for this moment but in how they've been approaching it, where it would joe biden, they used it with present by using air an airplane hangar at camp david movie theater. they set up with lights and outfitted it to look look similar to what the debate stage will look like tonight to really get him prepped for this obviously that's how president biden is known to prep intensively, donald trump take a different tactic he's still been doing debate prep. it hasn't been that informal based on based on what we've been hearing from his aides and allies. but it will maybe show up on the debates stage tonight, how they prep for the mics for the no audience. two things that neither of them have ever done before. >> i mean, look, depending on the questions it will show whether or not a candidate has a command the issues. when i worked for mitt romney, it was a very thorough debate process. newt gingrich, a very thorough debate process for these were two men who were interested in the nuance as a pop policy. president trump, i don't think as one who's interested in the nuances of policies and that will show when there are questions about china, where

there are nuanced questions about russia i expect president biden to probably do better on some of those issues when there are more nuanced questions about monetary theories of biden decides to get into that about the economy, most voters bint care but what he's showcases people watching, this is someone who i can trust to do the job, whether i agree with him on everything or not, and i think considering how close this election is going to be, jonah keeps bringing up the very slim folks in the middle. i think those people are more astute. they're typically more educated. they do care about someone who has more nuance and has a command of those critical issues because they want to be able to trust. but you can lead the country forward in a very critical time and it's doing it without notes. and i think that's we haven't talked about that yet, but there has been a lot of criticism for joe biden for always having notes and needing something to rely on because he can't remember tonight is a test. he will have 90 minutes where he will talk to the american people, where he will have to go from his memory about the issues. and if he gets nuanced and can really say show a command, as you said, of the issues that can help well, some of the some of the concern that these voters

have about joe biden's age. that's a great point. and also donald trump himself uses a prompt or when he's on sometimes he often, he does go off prompter, which maybe some of you would like for him to not. there will be obviously, no prompter for those candidates tonight. and that is a really big impact. checked on this, but this is just the candidates themselves and what they've rehearsed and been prepared to do. but no other assistance. and also during the two commercial breaks, only to break so they'll have this whole 90 minute stretch. makari none of their advisors can come up and talk to them and say you're doing a great job, or you need to fix this. it's just them with their thoughts. >> and i think i mean, i think the preparation is key and i do know for a fact just talking my friends around around biden world how they changed scheduling, et cetera, because of the time of day the debate is and how he appearing for this intently, how he prepares for the day of being president. and i think one of the things we're going to go back to the presentation because when you're talking policy and you have someone give an answer that although you may disagree with, you can also juxtapose

that again, somebody who's browsing utter obs, right? and that may be the split-screen image like, i don't necessarily agree with donald trump in this position. i mean, excuse me, job out in this position. but i don't know what donald trump is even talking about for me. i know you've been watching debates. i spent a lot of time i'm in the old world of the 44th president of the united states. and i remind people like our colleague david axelrod how they got there behind, kicked by mitt romney in the first debate, it was clinical, it was surgical the way that mitt romney thoroughly destroyed one of the smartest man i knew because mitt romney was more prepared form. and mitt romney actually put that preparation forward somebody who we thought barack obama could just go on stage and beads god's gift to debate got smacked around. he didn't do it the second time he performed better and so i do think this preparation is going to really matter in this debate, we shall see if donald trump is taking this series in that both can be rusty for this. and of course, another thing wolf that we're watching as donald trump's

plane has just pulled up and landed here in atlanta is who gets off the plane with him? we do know the first lady joe biden will be here accompanying her husband. she is expected to join him later on stage at the end of the debate were another thing we're watching is to see which family members are accompanying donald trump on this trip here tonight for this historic debate, wolf well, we know one family member who won't be accompanying donald trump tonight. >> we're going to talk with her in just a moment. this on the cusp of tonight's debate, there's a new surrogate right now. get this for the biden campaign and actual member of the trump family, and she's joining us right now. donald trump's niece and frequent critic of her uncle, mary trump. by mary, thanks. very much for joining us you say you've witnessed your uncle's quote, and i'm quoting now, narcissism and cruelty, your entire life. why you come? coming out for biden right now and why did you feel it was actually so important to say all this right before this debate tonight and show up actually here in atlanta well,

first of all, well, thank you so much for having me and i just want to make it clear. i have always been a huge supporter of president biden, and i've been saying for a long time, i believe that this is the most important election certainly of my lifetime. and i think this is a perfect moment for me to come out publicly not just with my supportive president biden, but to send a very clear message to the american people that we could not make a more egregious mistake than letting donald trump, again, anywhere near the levers of power. >> by the way, very we're showing a live picture of your uncle's playing with just landed did here and hartsfield-jackson atlanta international airport, we expect him to be walking off that plane momentarily. we'll show our viewers that when that when that happens, we've heard as you probably have heard as well, supposedly about a more subdued donald trump showing up to tonight's debate. given what you know about your uncle, can we keep that up for now? 90 minutes absolutely not.

>> i think some of the conditions of the debate that his team agreed to we'll make? the situation even worse for him. having his mic muted not having an audience. all of those play to his weaknesses. and i think it as the debate continues, especially as president biden shows up completely prepared to run circles around much inferior candidate, donald will not be able to contain himself for that long. we're still trying to confirm where donald trump's immediate family will be tonight. mary were wondering about melania ivanka, jared kushner, his son-in-law, if any of them show up, what does that say to you? do you think first of all, we'll show up i have no inside knowledge of that, but i think we've seen over the last many months that they don't seem interested in

supporting donald in any active public way. that doesn't mean they won't show up. and if they do, i honestly don't think it means much. all of his relationships are transactional and it would simply mean that they are keeping all of their options to open. so i don't make much of it at all either way do you plan to hit campaign with president biden in the days, weeks, and months ahead. >> and what can we expect from you? over this coming period i i am available to help the biden campaign in any way i can. i would be honored to be of service to them in any capacity but outside of that, i'll continue to do what i've been doing since the 20 before the 2020 election to speak out against donald i he is authoritarian wannabe, he would be terrible for the future of this country and its citizens as he's proven, time and time again. and president biden is the man for our time and i will

do everything i can to make sure as many people as possible. support him as much as i do mary trump. >> thanks so much for joining us thank you. caitlin. we're showing our viewers as you will i'll know these live pictures over at the hartfield jackson atlanta international airport. we expect to donald trump to be walking down those stairs momentarily this is a huge huge deal that's coming up at this debate tonight. and it potentially could set the stage for an eventual outcome of the actual 11. it's going to be watched by tens of milk billions of americans indeed, people all over the world will be watching as well. caitlin yeah, wolf, it's more eyeballs than either of these candidates have gotten. >> probably in this entire campaign season as they've both been battling it out with relatively stable polling. as we've seen obviously, one thing that's different about this debate that we've emphasized is there is no audience here. so you will not see the typical huge line of

surrogates and allies that are seated in the audience for these candidates, but they will have some that they are bringing with them. they will be here the spin room after the debate to talk about their respective candidates performance. and so that's one thing i'm watching is we see for president trump in moments come down these stairs is who's accompanying him on this trip are members of his family with him? we obviously know members of his campaign that had been down with him at his mar-a-lago club in florida, are going to be there with him and they are indeed on the plane with them. they've been rehearsing and practicing as they've made their way here to atlanta, georgia. they will other thing wolf course is the second contest that's happening tonight is the veepstakes that is still very much playing out. we heard a few days ago, donald trump's say he does believe life hey, cli, the person he is going to be on the ticket, the person who is going to pick to be on the ticket with him will be accompanying him on this trip. there'll be here in the spin room. we know governor doug burgum and north dakota senator jd vance of ohio, senator marco rubio of florida, three names that have been mentioned repeatedly. and the last

several days are expected to be here to spin on donald trump's behalf. no word yet of if he's actually selected one of them to be his running mate though wolf. so all of this is, obviously we'll be watching the main show that two of them on stage tonight. but all of this is also a key part of the campaign as well. >> i want caitlin, you've covered trump now for the past several years and you've watched him closely were you surprised that his niece, mary trump has now not only endorsed biden, but it is actually shown up here at this debate to speak out so aggressively. in favor of biden's election and wolf, i remember when married trump first came public with her criticism of her uncle. >> you can hear a crowd at the airport right now chanting is donald trump is about to get off his plane. i should note, but, but mary trump came out and she was she eviscerated trump. she was everywhere. she was on cable news she was doing interviews. and those are questions we posed to donald trump when he was in the white

house's as president trump, to his aides because it was remarkable to see a member of his family come out and be so heavily critical of him. obviously, married trump has continued to do so. she has written books about it as have other people and his orbit and talked about this. and i do think that's another part of this that could come up tonight is when you see donald trump and his aides descend these stairs, he also has a slew of former advisers, cabinet officials, his own vice president, who served with him, mike pence, we're going against him for the gop nomination, have criticized him and said he should not be back inside the white house. that's another thing we could see president biden bring up on the debate stage tonight, wolf, because he's used it in campaign ads against donald trump. those who around him and our closest to him and as you just interviewed mary wolf there and that fascinating moment that now since criticized him and said he shouldn't be back in the white house i'm wondering, i caitlin give me your thoughts when he walks down these there's he has now landed his at the atlanta airport. >> he's going to walk down a

small crowd of trump supporters, as you know, has gathered at the airport on the tarmac over there do you think the former president is actually going to go over and talk to these people a little bit. do you think he's going to make the statement to the media which are there, or you think he's just going to get into the car? and drive off we may see some retail politics. >> well, if i mean we saw that when president biden landed here earlier, he made an unexpected pit stop. he greeted some supporters of his before then making his way over to the hotel where of course he was waiting and hanging out until he makes his way over here to the debate hall donald trump soon when he got off of his plane, whether it's at a rally or even when he was inside the white house and he was pulling up and white house events. and there would be a crowd gathered. they greet local officials typically when they get off the plane and then they go and greet their supporters, one thing i should note, wolf as you saw the current mayor of atlanta and the previous mayor, keisha lance bottoms, who was now working as a surrogate for the biden campaign greeting president biden when he got off air force one the governor here, governor brian kemp, that

you just interviewed in the last hour, wolf is not expected to be there, greeting former president trump. they haven't spoken in quite some time ever since. they had incredibly contentious relationship and a major fracture when kemp didn't do what trump wanted to do, wanted him to do to try to help overturn the election results here in the state of georgia so that's another factor as you're looking at trump arriving here in georgia, it was just a little over a year ago that donald trump was here when he was indicted in the georgia election interference case, had his mug shot taken. that's about three miles from where i'm sitting right now. we were here covering at all. so there are just so many layers to this arrival here, wolf to seeing donald trump is he is preparing to come here to debate joe biden on stage and just a few hours from now caitlin, i want you to stand by. i want to bring in right now one of donald trump's vice presidential contenders are republican congressman from florida, byron donalds thanks so much, congressman from joining us i know you've arrived. they support trump big time what does a win for him

look like tonight well, wealth is good to be with you. >> i will tell you success tonight is crate creating that direct contrast between the terrible agenda of joe biden and a successful agenda when donald trump was president of the united states, you have to clear contrast in a way that mistake nine, we're seeing the former president get off the plane right now, he's about to walk down those gears, but he's waving to a group of supporters who have gathered there on the term act. i'm i'm curious to see if he's actually going to go over there speak with them, shake some hands talk to the media a little bit. so hold on one second was we watched this unfold congressmen discuss this in a lot more, in just a moment, but let's see what let's see what he does right now as he's getting down these stairs. and let's see if he walks over and see some of these supporters. are those right to the car, to the limo, and drafted he's gotten to the

he's not going to go to the supporters, has got his van right there. so congressmen, what do you think that what are your expectations for tonight i think donald trump is going to be very clear. >> he's going to be very direct to the american people about what his agenda means in their lives on an individual basis, what it means for our country overall, what it means for our standing in the world and you don't have to look very far to look at the stark contrast. we're looking at what joe biden and kamala harris have done with the united states are standing around the world has fallen there are conflicts across the globe. inflation has ravaged the purchasing power of so many americans, especially working families and seniors on fixed incomes and then you look at our border, the drug cartels have operational control over our southern border trafficking millions and millions of people and deadly fentanyl into the streets of america. the pitcher cannot be starker. donald trump

has the prescription to save our country as you know, a congressman, president biden has argued that trump is only working for himself, not working for americans. if trump lists his grievances because including about his criminal trials will prove biden right tonight well, actually, if anybody is going to be bringing that stuff up, wolf, it's going to be joe biden because he has nothing else to talk about. >> he's got nothing to run on except what he wants. so spring up in terms of slides against president trump. if you've watched a president on the campaign trail, he has been focused on the american people. of course, he brings up what happened in lower manhattan, his constitutional rights were violated in that courtroom. that's why everybody believes that case is going to be overturned. but at the end of the day, he has been laser-focused on the american people. it's joe biden that wants to go back for years and talk about january 6. joe biden was to talk about these these threats to democracy, which frankly joe biden is the one that's bringing to our country we see trump's vehicle leaving

the airport and are driving away from the plane from the tarmac and heading to where i am right now here at the at the site of the presidential debates he's gonna be heading over here, fare very soon for this major debate tonight. >> as you know, congressman, this week, trump asked him of his supporters, if he should be nasty, are nice during the course of this debate, what do you think? what advice would you give him? should he be nasty or should he be nice well, i'll tell you, i think he's going to be he's going to be direct. >> he's going to present leadership. and when the time comes where he's going to have to push back, he's going to push back. and if the time comes back where he needs to push back hard, he's going to do that too. this is not about naughty or nice. we're not talking about christmas presents here. we're talking about leadership for the american people. he's going to demonstrate that mantle of leadership that's what you're going to see the night from donald trump. one quick final question. >> do you want to be his running mate of course, who wouldn't listen.

>> i'm in into to make sure number one, we win this election. but number two, we save our country. we got the best country a world. obviously we have our own problems, but we are the best thing going today. it is a shame was happening to america right now, we can do better and i'll tell you this, whether it's me or anybody on that list. it'll be a significant upgrade over kamala harris republican congressman byron donalds of florida. thanks so much for joining us thank you. and let me bring in our panel that's here with me in atlanta and jamie, let's talk a little bit about this historic night right now. what should we be looking for? what are you going to be looking four, once this debate actually gets underway, i think it's the things we don't know. this surprises are they going to shake hands when these two men come together? what will the energy be in the room? we've heard we know that the mics will be muted that's not so good for donald trump because he likes to interrupt, but there are other ways to interrupt. i think we all remember when he debated hillary clinton and they were

sitting on two stools and he started walking back and forth. so you don't need your voice and donald trump is a showman. he will figure out how to get attention. does it go shake? yes, i do think they'll let's see. >> i think also we could just take a step back and wolf there. >> let me so many voters tonight who have been tuned out of politics have really not been paying attention to anything that has happened in the last four years may have their impression about what joe biden has done an office now by basically what he said, but may but some thing a friend as said, are made have not been a painting bandaged, doing that trump has done over the past four years. it may have forgotten would the trump presidency is like those in for vose voters, often called in political terms low information voters are going to be key targets, of course, for trump and biden can trump appear presidential alleviate the concerns of some of those? voters who are concerned about his character. there's bombastic, they didn't like. and for biden concerns about his age, his ability to do the job. can you show them that he

can stand there for 90 minutes and deliver a convincing argument about his vision for the future that is gonna be the key test for both them because we're gonna be so many new voters who are tuning in tonight, who will be weighing in for looking at other it's time he's got real constituency or work to do biden does he's here in georgia this is a state that he won by about 12,000 votes in 2020. >> it's a, it's an electorate that could be something like 30% are african-american. you saw him there on the tarmac when he arrived the royalty of the black are political class in atlanta and so he's got to figure out how to bring those voters back in higher numbers to the democratic fold. also, young voters, latino voters, and also suburban women voters. georgia is real, i think a real test case or him can he do that kind of work here tonight and it's obviously what trump has to do. two, he's got some constituents during see work to do to reaching across the aisle, trying to get some of those independent voters in

sort of nikki haley voters were disaffected with him primarily on grounds around his morality and his character his temperament. how does he do that tonight? and i think you can actually pull out monitors point even further. it's not just low information voters will all or low propensity voters. i think it's voters generally, right? people have been very tuned out. people have been very apathetic. they're there are a lot of reasons why it has been a dramatic and really difficult last 34 or five years for a lot of people who aren't excited, at least according to polling, by a significant margin. written about the candidates they have and about a rematch this is the moment, tens of millions of people where they want it to or not are going to be watching tonight because they want to know there's a very real possibility, particularly there's a second page scheduled. we don't know necessarily whether or not it's going to happen. there's a lot of chatter on both sides that this may be it. this may be the last final best moment for both of these candidates to demonstrate not just trying to get away from perceptions that they believe are inaccurate, but also they have dramatically divergent policy let's see

positions and what they believe the next four years should look like. this is an opportunity for both of them tonight. but more importantly, it's an opportunity for voters to see these individuals, not clips of them, not snippets of them, not what they remember from 46 years ago to see what they wanna do. >> you know, jamie, it was noticeable that when trump got off the plane and walked down those stairs, he walked down by himself. i didn't see melania any other family member walking down. and when he got into that vehicle, he got into that vehicle by himself. yeah. >> we've seen no family thus far. we have no reason to believe that melania is going to be coming. he did something else when he walked down the stairs where were replaying it now, he's looking down at those dues and very simply when he walks, he stops, he does the fifth thing, but and he's back watching every single one of those depths. we have to old men here, not just one i've talked a lot about joe biden

being gold donald trump is two. i'm hearing. i reached it. think too about 20 or 20 25 sources, republicans and democrats to ask them what they thought about tonight, particularly biden sources, they are worried, they want a knock out, punch. they want biden to trigger trump to get under his skin and they want him to talk about democracy in peril that he's a convicted felon twice impeach january 6 one thing i heard from both sides, they're both nervous about debates. i was just going to read one last thing one source sent me this. remember dan rather? there's famous quotes quote, i feel more nervous than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs by everybody. bye. they're all watching. yeah. yeah.

>> it looks so much of his gonna be stylistically how he responds, because biden trump was going to lay out a number of attacks against joe biden. of course, will biden does go through a laundry list of things, respond to each charge that's not actually what democrats or that's not what operatives say you should do. we should respond. maybe one thing and then turn an attack back against donald trump. that is a much more effective debates strategy. but what do you see so many times especially incumbent presidents when they come in, they get very defensive right away. they'll go back and lay out a laundry list of their accomplishments that is not necessarily what's going to create a debate moment because those moments oftentimes define the percentage of the keep saying, let's not forget tens and tens of millions of americans will be watching this vague, many of them are presumably undecided. we'll see they make up their minds and how it goes. everybody standby were just over three hours from the start of tonight's cnn presidential debate president biden, the former president trump, are now both here in atlanta truck arrived just moments ago. we're back with gaurav are special coverage right after this so

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i don't think i'm capable of doing it requires you setting aside most of what you've achieved or attempted to do that lane you tried to cut out for yourself? i think the best example of that is probably somebody like tim scott, who is a friend of mine and who has somewhat changed who we knew him to be throughout this process but it's also hard because usually when you're attempting to get a job such as this, you want to at least have some relationship and know what that person is thinking when kamala harris went through the process, gretchen whitmer went through the process and i can't remember who the third possible candidate was, kamala harris, literally new job oh, biden knew his thought process, came up with them, knew his son, beau, and so it was those relationships that matter i personally don't think and i maybe wrong, but if i were betting, i would say that donald trump's not going to pick any of them i think that is going to be a wildcard. i think donald trump pick somebody like ben carson who he has an amazing relationship with. i think he pick somebody like sarah huckabee sanders,

which is also somewhat of a wildcard and i think that if he was serious about winning, he picked nikki haley, the one who terrifies most democrats though, was marco rubio. >> well, obviously fundraising is going to be a huge part of whoever it is. he pigs, axios is reporting about the rnc holding a fundraiser in a watch party. the tickets are going for $10,000 per couple couple $25,000 for a seat at a table with a trump surrogate and all that's playing out as he's also very interested in who is going to boost his ticket, maybe not with voters, but certainly at least when it comes to fundraising, i look at this in two ways, caitlin, i think you need someone who can boost donald trump in the eye. because of some swing voters who may not maybe skeptical of him. maybe they're not comfortable voting for him, but with the right person who's moderate, the right temperament they could say, okay, i'll vote for him. i think that's why i chose mike pence, not only because of evangelicals, but pence did for a lot of conservatives bring a level of calm to trump's chaos with that said, i do think you also want someone who can raise a lot of money and donors who

don't like trump were skeptical of trump, who are slow to come on board would probably be more comfortable with someone like rubio with someone like a doctor arsonists, i think trump has to be careful with whomever he chooses i mean, you mentioned mike pence. >> it is notable, mike, what happened to mike pence it doesn't seem to give any of these these candidates pause. i've spoken at least senator jd vance about that and he was downplayed what happened to mike pence on january well, in the mike pence experience, has made donald trump say that loyalty is one of the most important things to him. and that's why i think when you're looking at the boxes that these folks have to check in the great apprentice vice presidential addition that we're going to watch unfold loyalty, the ability to be a fighter, and the somebody who looks good on tv, somebody who fills the role who looks the part. i think that's what he's going to be looking for. so that could mean somebody like a doug burgum who comes to the table with a great deal of business success. we know donald trump thinks that that's very important. the state of north dakota is actually been doing great. he has an interesting record to

run on there. he would be a steadying hand in addition to the fact that he again, these is kinda this alternate universe mitt romney type character now. but does that hurt him though? is he going to be as aggressive out there as somebody like a jd vance are in elise stefanik who has been known for going on eva and being more of that kind of pitbull in his corner a difficult crazy. >> is that none of that was it that they could be the president. united states donald trump is 78-years-old and whoever is his presidential pick could become president. and that's not a part of the conversation, which is, i think hypocritical in the republican we're getting closer. we got to standby, take a quick break. i do hear everyone's thoughts on the veepstakes as we will see them here behind us in this room is we're getting even closer to the presidential debate tonight, up next, the messages that we are hearing from both campaigns, those fine no messages. well ahead of the face off tonight the stage is set for the most anticipated this election.

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is debate night in america. right now we're closing in on the first ever face off between a current and former president of the united didn't states. joe biden and donald trump. now here in atlanta, after touching god just a short time ago, as they ready themselves for a truly historic cnn present the ventral debate. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world i'm wolf blitzer in atlanta candidates will find themselves preparations are now underway for the earliest general election debate that we've ever seen in us history. >> it's a rare chance for both candidates to get to speak directly to voters and their concerns and also maybe land some attacks that could reset or at least shake up this race that has been relatively stable so far. this hour we're going to take you inside the campaign. does we are counting

down to this unprecedented event. you are watching debate night here on america first off this our president biden's plans to take on former president trump tonight on the debate stage, cnn's mj lee is gathering some new information for us right now. >> what are you learning mj well, we'll president biden is here in atlanta. we are waiting for him to make his way over here to the cnn studios. we've been talking so much over the last week about the debate preparations at camp david, but we should also talk a little bit about just how closely the biden team over the last few days, but has been watching the trump team and everything that they have been saying about their own preparations. they've certainly taken note of the fact that the former president and allies of his have been talking about how little time that he is actually spending on

debate prep there haven't even been formal debate prep sessions and advisers have told us that they basically don't buy that argument, that they actually think that the former president has been doing a lot more debate prep, and he has been lighting on and that this could end up resulting in the president being up more disciplined and more on message than some people might actually expect. they're also very keenly aware where of the abrupt shift in tone that we have seen from president trump and others close to him about the expectation setting for up president biden for once the trump team has been attacking president biden for being physically not all they are mentally not all there can even stand on the debate stage for 90 minutes and they are aware the biden team, that in some ways the trump team has helped to lower the bar for him. but of course, they are very much hoping tonight that all of the intensive debate preparations will really pay off and that he will do more than just clear the bar j we heard directly from the first lady earlier this afternoon.

>> what did she say about tonight's debate yeah, that's right. >> wolf she will of course be the biggest cheerleader for president biden tonight, and she will be one of the family members that will be joining him at the debate. we heard her earlier basically asking americans and asked i think viewers to yes, pay attention to the policy, pay attention to the substance, but also pay attention to the person that her husband is. take a listen i want you tonight when you seen a vote debating, i want you to hear joe's words. but those of all, i want you to listen to his heart much joe cares about barricades and we know wolf that the biden team preparations at camp david have included getting the president ready for potential attacks and

insults against members of the president's family? >> of course, i should remind everyone that's still very fresh for the biden family is the news from earlier this month that the president's son, hunter biden, was convicted on three felony gun charges but certainly all of this just gets to the broader point that the biden team has been trying to prepare for anything and everything that could be thrown. the president's way tonight, we'll see if trump throws any of that his way out will be watching very closely mj lee. thank you very much. i also want to check in with cnn's kristen holmes right now. she's covering the trump campaign first, kristen, how is the former president of preparing? with less than what, three hours to go until this debate well, donald trump just landed in atlanta. >> he and his team, he was surrounded by some of his top advisors, chris lacivita, susie wiles, jason miller, who has been running point on the debate. they headed into the motorcade and they should be here at the debate. cite any minute now in terms of what they are doing to prepare, we are told they're going directly into the room that is designated for trump and his

team. they'll continue to watch the debate coverage. the lead up, and they will maintain conversations about what to expect later tonight according to one aid, it is now all on the former president's shoulders. there's not much else, but they believed that they can do to drill into him ahead of this debate course as we know from these senior advisers, they have in enormous amount of time focusing on things like immigration, like crime, like the economy and particularly inflation. they are hoping that donald trump, lulu we use that messaging when he takes the stage and it was interesting to hear mj talking there about jill and what a supporter and cheerleader that she has been 4 president joe biden noted billy as he parted his plane that he'd flown up on from florida, there was one person missing, melania trump, the first former first lady. now it's not that surprising when you think about the fact that the entire time that donald trump has been running for president, which he announced back in 2022, that

she has only appeared at one single campaign event and that was the launch event at her mar-a-lago home. however, this is because a significant moment when we talked to anyone around former president donald trump, they will tell you that he understands how significant this moment and how gravity, the gravity of time that we are in so interesting, of course, to see the contrast between joe biden and melania trump kristen holmes reported for us, kristin, thank you very much for joining us now, ambassador susan rice, a former domestic policy adviser for president biden. >> she also served as national security adviser under president obama. she was the u.s. ambassador to the united nations as well, ambassador thank you so much for joining us as you probably have heard, trump will likely argue tonight that under president biden two wars broke out in ukraine, as well as israel or hamas in gaza. and the border, the u.s. border with mexico is a mess that's what we will here, presumably from a former president trump how do you think a president biden can

best counter those arguments well, good to be with you, wolf. >> president biden will make the brock case that america standing in the world is much stronger than it's been in a long time and certainly much stronger than it was under donald trump the reality is that nato is expanded. we have two additional countries. we have more cohesion and strengthen our alliances, both in europe and in asia than ever before. and the united states is back and you hear our allies every day say how grateful they are to have president biden as their partner. yes, the world is a dangerous place much of that is longstanding, but you want, when the world is a dangerous place somebody who is steady somebody who's committed to the united states and its interests rather than one's

personal interests, rather than somebody who is erratic, who embraces dictators, who gibbs vladimir putin the sort of praise and encouragement to go and do what the hell he wants to nato countries, we need strong american leadership and that's what but joe biden has provided and that's what he's going to continue to provide when he's reelected as you know, ambassador rice, some younger democrats in critical swing battleground states like michigan for example, have been very vocal about their disagreement with president biden over his support for israel in the war against hamas in gaza. >> should president biden attempt to win back their votes tonight. and if so, how well president biden is going to do what he has been doing, which is to make it clear that across the board whether you're talking about foreign policy or domestic policy, he's fighting for american interests. >> and for the interests of working families. he is committed to doing all he can to lower costs for american

families. and we see great progress in health care costs coming down and prescription drug costs coming down. he's working to preserve the freedoms that americans hold dear from our voting rights to the ability of women to control what happens to their own bodies. and on the international stage, yes, he's been clear that we have we will stand with our ally, israel, but he's also been clear that it is vitally important that this war come to an end, that it is time for a ceasefire, that there be adequate and much increased humanitarian assistance, the return of the hostages. and that the three-point three-phase plan that the president laid out that the israelis proposed to hamas needs to be the basis moving forward and it's now an incumbent upon hamas to accept that plan and the israelis two, to embrace what they have committed to and put forward on the table. that is what is essential. wolf, if we're to

see this horrific war come to an end hamas degraded and defeated as it must be the palestinian people having the opportunity to chart a future that they deserve as well as, you know, a bachelor rice trump has often said that he says it all the time. that he had a better relationship with some of the dictators. there's such as vladimir putin or kim jong un, and that they would listen to him if he were president. once again, what should president binds response to that argument? i suspect we will hear that from trump later today. what should binds his response be? >> well, if you want to be buddies with kim jong un and vladimir putin that is not the way to serve american interests. vladimir putin has indicated, and demonstrated time and time again that his ambition is to not just take ukraine and as he tried to take

georgia years ago and not just to take crimea, but to take all of ukraine and then move into europe and nato territory and the western alliances united and clear that we cannot allow that to happen. we cannot caudal putin. we can not compromise with putin. we cannot give putin the green light that donald trump has given him to do whatever the hell he wants with nato that is reckless and dangerous and it's characteristic of the kinds of erratic leadership that we've seen so much out of donald trump that we just cannot afford ambassador susan rice. thanks so much for joining us thanks for having me wolf and up next, how the battle over abortion in america could play a big role. potentially. and tonight's debate, stay with us the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher the president and the former president, one stage are two

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debate is coming. justice the supreme court today voted to allow emergency abortions in idaho for now when a pregnant patients health is at serious risk. of course, we have looked at that abortion ban. their idaho has one of the nation's strictest abortion bans in the united states this ruling though, is temporary. it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. is the case is now going to go back and work its way through the lower courts here to talk about all of this and the dynamics that decision has on the debate stage. should i is ralph reed, who is the chairman of the faith and freedom coalition, where we just solve 4 and president trump speaking over the weekend and it's great to have you because i just from your perspective, we've been talking from the political aspect of what voters want to see, what they want to see when it comes to evangelicals and seeing donald trump on debate stage tonight. do you want to see him call for a national abortion ban? what are you hoping? he says about that on stage? >> well, we support both federal and state protection for the innocent unborn. i mean, our position is that an unborn child is a member of the

human family and it has a right to life that cannot and should not be infringed. we also thank caitlin and this is in the republican party platform and has been for over 40 years that aid unborn child is protected under the 14th amendment's guarantee that no person can be denied or infringed life or liberty without due process of law that's our position. it's in the party platform. now. we've had dobbs decision two years ago, almost. well, this week week. so that's changed everything. all right. and what the president has said, meaning trump, what president trump has said? is it was. the liberals who federalize this row, federalize this for most of american history, it was decided by the states and by the dobbs decision, states now have a right to do that again. and that's his position. i have no problem with that position because i think the

reality is whether you're pro-choice or you're pro-life that's where the action is the pro-choice side is qualifying these initiatives and referendums and trying to get their way. we are passing pro-life bills. we've done it in 24 states. keep going. caitlin. it's called democracy. that's what democracy looks like, saying the voters in each state should, should right? decision. but we've seen how democrats as i've talked about this in president biden himself has talked about it a lot and they've said, if donald trump is reelected, he will sign a federal abortion ban into law because people who support him want to see that. but is that something that you believe is something he should call for on the debate stage? well, it's something that we clearly support. >> i mean, i like to see him we'd like to see protection of the unborn at the federal level and the state level. and we don't want to see states like california, illinois, new york pass laws. and this is joe biden's position. let's be clear about this. he supports a federal bill that would allow abortion on demand for any reason at any stage of

pregnancy, including the eighth or ninth month including after the child can feel pain including after the child can survive outside the womb. now there was a time caitlin, when democrats called that infanticide people like daniel patrick moynihan called it infanticide. he also wants to use tax dollars to pay for those abortions. yeah. under medicaid. so his position is the radical and extreme position. >> i know you don't you don't agree with him at all? i don't expect you to write. i will note that that eight and nine month abortions are incredibly rare. i mean, we just spoke to kate cox about this, who had to leave texas to go get an abortion. and she wanted to go or family she talked to all painful. it actually was for her to have an abortion when she did, but she had a fetal anomaly that that was going to have her for babies survived maybe a week after it was born. and so when you look at this and we talk about the blowback politically for some republicans and certain ballot measures that have been on the ballot after rover this is waiting by of return. that's been a difficult line

performed. president trump to walk and how he talks about that, because there are some states, my home state of alabama that don't have a lot of exceptions. some of them have no exceptions whatsoever. some don't have it for incest only for the life of the mother, right. politically though, is aren't you worried there's going to be blowback? for a ticket for republican candidate this fall because of those no, i'm really not because the president has made it abundantly clear. he takes the same position. ronald reagan two which is the three exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother he thought, what about states that don't have those says it should be up to the states. >> how do you square that? he has his position? but he also said this is what democracy looks like. and i'm not worried about the initiatives and referendums and i'll tell you why you go back, caitlin, and look at the exit polling and ohio we're they one what i think is a pyrrhic victory. i think ultimately will succeed in passing tougher pro-life restrictions and ohio, but they want about initiative. >> it was quite surprising and the exit polling shows that one out of every four trump voters

voted for the initiative in kansas, it was even higher than that so let me tell you what's getting ready to happen they're qualifying initiatives in arizona, nevada, and florida at a minimum, they're trying to get these on the ballot they're gonna be turning out trump voters who tend to be more pro-choice than say im, or my organization they're going to vote for the initiative and then they're going to vote for donald trump it's not going to help joe biden at all. >> and let me tell you what else is going to have you think they'll come out to vote, but they'll still vote for donald trump. but don't vote for the measure, but they're also vote for donald the polling is clear on it. and not only that katelyn, but trump will be able to say when he goes to those states i'm the one who gave you the right to vote on this. he wants to deny you the right to vote on this he's the one who wants to pass a federal radical and extreme pro abortion law would repeal all state restrictions and set it at the federal level. so you won't get to vote on it. yeah, he wants to codify the federal

right to an abortion, which was overturned by the supreme court, will see how these candidates talk about it. >> it's one of the issues that's nearly guaranteed to come up on stage tonight, ralph reed. thank you. you for joining us. thank you. >> great to have you and also coming up. we're going to get alan moore analysis from our top political reporter is we're now in the final moments before donald trump and joe biden. biden will meet for the first time in four years. this is debate night here in america. stay tuned beit 19, america as biden and trump meet and only cnn has complete coverage with unrivaled access and exclusive pre and post of beit analysis. >> follow cnn for every countless moments hello, debate night in america, tonight, it's 7:00 p.m. if you have wet amd you never want to lose sight of the things you love weekend some things should stand the test of time with long-lasting i leah hd could significantly improve your vision and can help you go up

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more analysis this is a let me start with you. this race has been stubbornly close for months and months and months. our latest cnn poll a polls, i'll put it up on the screen. you can see trump's at 49% by 47% among likely voters out there. what needs to happen tonight to change that? >> wilson, they've got to have breakout moments and they've got to address their weaknesses. the primary weakness that biden has is about age, but it is also about questions around on the economy, questions around immigration and questions around crime. and you know that donald trump is going to go hard at that. the questions that donald trump has to answer an address have to do with his character, his moral standing january 6, his authoritarian tendencies. he's got to figure out a way to get voters who were skeptical of him along those lines to come back to him in so many ways, the voters who left him in 2020 though, trump, to biden voters so he's got to figure that out. we'll see you

i think whoever has a breakout moment can they capitalize on that in the weeks following the debate, right? because we're going to have a 90 minute debate tonight and people are going to mostly in just this through clips and analysis it come after, right? and it's going to be moment so they've got to figure out a way to not only have breakout moments within to capitalize on that going forward, campaigns will be spending a lot of money with advertisements of highlights as they see him during the course of this debate, jamie, i want to play for you in our viewers some of biden's social media video that's coming out right now underscoring a key contrast that's going on listen to this, watch this dictator hiring dangerous threat to democracy. i cannot in good conscience endorsed donald trump we don't take an oath to a king or queen. would a tyrant or a dictator. we don't take it off to a wannabe dictator. he worked with him he knew him. this man is unfit to be president as second term would be more dangerous than first

fusion paying and vladimir putin, kim jong, not there fully prepared to take advantage in a job and yes, i do. regard him as a threat to democracy these are all some of trump's former advisers. >> and this is a biden campaign video. write it said, the question is 20 is point. does this resonate? does it keep getting played and does it appeal just to biden voters or will it appeal to undecided voters? we've talked a lot about the double haters, people who don't want trump or biden the question is, will that change someone's mind? there is no question that trump's behavior is baked in. it's become normalized. so i think a big question for joe biden is, how does he persuade people? that they need to remember that? and that's what's coming. that it's not overstating it. >> zen time motto, the trump campaign released an ad making

front of biden's age and his fitness. >> i'm going to play a clip for you when you think about the joe biden you saw on the debate ask yourself a question. do you think the guy who was defeated by the stairs got taken down by his bike? most of fight with his jacket. and regularly gets lost, makes it four more years in the white house and you know, his weight, right vote joe biden today pamela harris tomorrow you think we're gonna hear and see more of that from trump tebor. >> well, i mean, that is a brutal add. i'm sure we're going to see a lot more of that along the airwaves over the next couple, several weeks, basically suggesting that biden will not survive in a second term in office. that is how this this debate is going, but it really also shows the trump has been the expectation setting. they're saying that joe biden can't string two sentences together yet at the same time, also calling him an effective debater that is going

to affect the perception of how joe biden ultimately does and proud zubaida good benefit from that. actually more votes according to polls, believed that trump will do better tonight, then biden's of biden exceeds those expectations. perhaps a lot of voters will think that he is capable of serving another four years. so this expectation setting can cut both ways against trump. can we just quickly add that also has a dog whistle? about common law yes. you can't get past it. and also the production value that music that is social media that is tiktok, that is from trump's perspective, a brilliant, brutal, devastating, but a brilliant ad for going viral on social me. the i'm sorry. yeah, i think you're going to see more of that. here's the kamala harris point. i think it's going to land with a certain segment of voters. this dog whistle that's very, very loud, but there are voters who really, really like kamala harris for is right and would

love to see her be president in some of these polls early on, she has higher approval ratings. then joe biden. so you know, it's sort of cuts both ways. if you're a young voter, if you're an african-american i can vote or if you're a woman voter, maybe you say kamala harris wouldn't be so bad. we're gonna thankful what i think is interesting about it is i don't think the people that they're targeting and the things you hear from people that are tied to the campaign in an advisers that republicans on the outside as well saying talk about the economy, talk about immigration, talk about crime why like, i get it. and i think jamie's point is actually critical here. the trump operation from a social media pr perspective, and their ability to use influencers when we look at the subgroups that joe biden's coalition is lagging right now. young voters is one of those coalitions. i don't know if these are the reasons why, but these are things the go viral on the places where people get their news. and so i think there's an effectiveness in that sense, but i also don't think that for the seven states and 58,000 people that are going to decide, at least based on the

2020 numbers, who's going to win this election? when you talk to people around him, that's not necessarily what they want him to go. the one thing i would say about that though, is he's not going there. the campaign is outside. groups are outside advisers are. and so there's some value there. i think you'd look at the biden campaign and what they're willing to say about donald trump they've been much more aggressive than they were in 2020 they're much more aggressive on the types of platforms or on what they're saying, what they're willing to say. johan's not going to do that. that's not a it's not who he is and he wouldn't do it to begin with, but b, they have one level of separation. i think that's why you're seeing the weight playing out. >> borden posard, everybody standby. we have a lot more to discuss trump and biden are already taking swipes at one another as we just saw on social media today insights on how personal attacks might get tonight we're watching all of this as we watch debate night in america the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and they'll form for president, one state moderated by jake tapper and

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now just about two hours away. >> from cnn's presidential debate here, i have someone here who knows firsthand what it's like to debate for president donald trump and carson did so and 2016 then became one of trump's closest allies and also one of his cabinet secretaries the former housing and urban development secretary and retired neurosurgeon joins me now. so dr. carson, it's great to have you here because you do have experience debating donald trump. you know what it's like to be up there on the stage with him. everyone remembers the republican primary in 2016 in a 2020 debate, the first one against president biden for president trump became quite personal. he went after his family. i wonder if you think when you see donald trump on that stage tonight, you want to see him stay away from those personal attacks when he's debating joe biden there's so many good things that he can talk about in terms of the economy during his administration. crime during some illustration, the border during his administration

interest rates it was just a lot of good things to talk about. so i don't think it will be necessary to dwell upon those so you do believe it'd be more helpful if he talked more about the issues than say something that's more personal, president biden's son, hunter biden, for example. i'm hopeful that they both will take advantage of this historic situation in which we have the two administrations juxtaposed to each other. you don't have to think back many years. and you can compare the policies and see where they've taken us yeah. >> and obviously, everyone iwe on stage, when you were competing with him and the republican primary, but he even lobbed personal attacks against you as well on the issues here. obviously, abortion is expected to be a major one. this is the first time we've had a presidential debate since the supreme court overturned roe versus wade. obviously we saw

that major decision from the supreme court today allowing those emergency abortions in idaho when it comes to how trump is talking about abortion though. and the three supreme court justices that he put on the court he often says he's proud of them, but then sometimes distances himself from the decision to overturn roe versus wade deal you think he'll take credit for that tonight? what is that going to look like on that debate stage well, i would say they will have to wait and see, but you know, what he has done? >> is trying to bring vick's situation back to the state level, to the level of the pico and their representatives, which i think is what the intention was of our founders rather than having mandates proclaimed nationally so i think that'll be good. i suspect he will also pivot to the area of extremism because there are some people who advocate abortion right up until birth and as a pediatric

neurosurgeon who operated on lots of premature babies i can tell you 252627 weeks gestation baby. they feel pain then when you reach into the uterus and pull them apart, they feel that. and i think we need to help people to understand what's actually going on and come to reasonable conclusions. and that's why it's better at the state level. because you can talk with the representatives and what the people who fashion laws yeah, we've obviously seen other states that are extreme in the other direction where there are no exceptions for rape or incest. >> for example, obviously, we do know that will be a major topic dr. ben carson. thank you for joining us on what we do expect to see on the debate stage pleasure. >> thank you so much my panel is back here with me in the spin room where all the surrogates and other people whose names are among those

including dr. ben carson, potential vice presidential picks for donald trump when it comes to what he wants to see on the debate stage tonight show, michael, he was the saying that he believes there's so much for donald trump to talk about, whether it's his record or president biden's, that he should stay away from the personal insults dr. carson's, right. >> i'm biased. i worked for dr. carson i'm dr. carson, but governor kim said the same thing in your interview with him yesterday, that there's a lot of potential for the president to make his case to the american people and issues of the economy, immigration and including foreign policy i mean, i think some americans are a big concern about chinese aggression. what will the united states response be to china in their economic brick system and their attempts to devalue the dollar. business leaders do care about stuff a flight that. so those an incredible opportunity to speak to the nuance of those issues and how they have implications for the american people at the lower level all the way up to our wealthy ceos. >> yeah. i mean speaking of the personal attacks me, he wants compared dr. ben carson to a child molester. i mean, that is how ugly the 2016 primary

republican primary fight got with donald trump, azo, we saw the national enquirer or publishing headlines out not just marco rubio and ted cruz that has gotten a lot of tension, but also dr. ben carson as well, who is now one of his top surrogates. >> yeah. so look, i would think about this. i think there's very little chance that biden is going to have a chance the ability to really energize his own base in all this. he can reassure them, right? he can make some wavering people come home but i don't think he's he's gotten them to fire up the base, you know, as the ability to fire up the base for the democrats is donald trump and he could have answers tonight where he gets personal, which will make a lot of democrats, but rally that biden be defensive. a button as kristen wiig can tell you he has all sorts of potential landmines on answers about abortion abortion is an issue, is going to have coattails for biden, not the other way around and if they've been practicing

as much as they claim, if he hasn't prepared a bunch of ways to try and get that out of trump than these going to fail tonight anyway. >> and it's not even just abortion. it's also ivf it's access to medication, mifepristone. remember, donald trump told time magazine in april that his plan for mifepristone would be coming out. that analysis ultimate never came. i mean, these are big questions that voters of both political stripes want answers. and on the stage, he's not gonna be able to wiggle out of it as easy as he may have been in past experiences. so this is going to be a debate that i think is more about. do people get reassured that biden's all there, that trump can be president again, those sorts of things. but that doesn't mean that no substance is going to be important and they're going to be ways that if candidates flubbed things like donald trump flooding something on abortion, that that's going to turn into an ad that we are going to see over and over and over again from now till november, it might not be a flood, but it will be hypocrisy energy tonight to your point, energy, energy, energy, that's where we begin at 4:00. joe

biden has to bring that energy on this stage tonight, even when he's talking about issues like abortion luckily, you have brought the energy this entire everybody has. you guys have been amazing. >> i'm going to get the tequila and we watch a good debate tequila will be added here ahead and mute for cars a team biden surrogate is going to be coming up next with what they expect to see on the debate stage. >> that is georgia senator raphael warnock in here as we are inching closer and closer to that historic showdown tonight the stage is set for the most anticipated event of this election. biden trump the weight only cnn can bring it to you. the cnn presidential debate tonight at i live on cnn and streaming on max introducing allison black psoriasis she thinks or flee

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see the rematch of donald trump and joe biden on stage, they will be eight feet apart, as we know inside that debate hall, when all of this gets underway panel is back here with me and kristen salt to sanderson as we are looking at what tonight's going to look like, there is a very small amount of voters that donald trump and joe biden are trying to appeal to. and i think it's an a nuance of what they've been prepping and what that's going to look like in a moment of how they're reaching out to those it's photos. i mean, we know donald trump's bases with him and biden's base may not be energized for him, but they're still not going to vote for joe biden over are for donald trump over him. how did they make that that outreach on issues like immigration, the economy abortion, as you write that, tonight, is going to be an opportunity for for these two men to talk to the sort of voter who is not been following, say trump's legal troubles very closely, who is not been following the news de, in and day out. they've been out living their lives. and so now the re-engaging as we get closer and closer to november with this big blockbuster moment and so for those lower

engagement voters, those are the types of folks that have actually been more in donald trump's camp. he does quite well with the type of folks that don't. all didn't watch the news, but know that donald trump has been good in business or those sorts of thing that's what i hear in focus groups from these lower engagement voters. they're gonna be tuning into night to see does donald trump show up and do something entertaining? and his joe biden show up and demonstrate that he's got it all together. i think when i was on the campaign in 2020, i ran the coalition's department and that's about like pat stitching together a quill of all the different communities in our country from seniors, to young americans, to african-americans, to immigrants and that is a challenge. joe biden has to speak to tonight. i think that we are saying perhaps that there's a smaller group of voters that joe biden needs to speak to. and when i hear that and i shouldn't assume, but when i hear that, i hear like nikki haley voters, i think if that's the only people joe biden tries to speak to tonight, that's a mistake he needs speak to his base. they

aren't going to vote for joe biden, but as bacardi always says, they could stay home on the couch. and so today is the day to start to get the people ready to make a plan to go vote november, whether you're super excited about joe biden or not, you will do what you have to do to ensure donald trump. >> and that's what the timing of this is. so interesting is that this is what, this is the earliest presidential debate we've ever seen a lot of voters start paying attention closer to the election when they're like, oh yeah, i've got to vote for whoever is going to be the next president. this is happening so much earlier for them to be tuning into paying attention to yeah, that was smarter. the biden campaign to do that, they needed to change the narrative change of the direct trajectory most there's never been presidential debate in the general election prior to the second week of september, i think. so. this is like telling people, hey, you got to pay attention now, get an aware about early voting. >> and obviously, one of the states that biden one and 2020 that donald trump lost, which was historic and of itself is the one we're sitting in right now, the state of georgia well

if that's been a key part of what we've been paying attention to donald trump's relationship with republicans here, but also how the biden campaign is using the representatives of this state as their surrogates. this time around. >> and georgia obviously emerging is a battleground state itself i'm here, caitlin now with democratic senator rafael warnock of georgia. he's a national advisory board number for the biden harris campaign senator. thank you so much for joining us as you know, the biden campaign is hoping that tonight's debate can reset the race in their favor. what do you think the president needs to do to accomplish that tonight well, thank you so very much and welcome to battleground georgia. listen to president does not need my advice, but i'll tell you this. i've been moving all around my state and people of the people of georgia understand that there's so much at stake to hear. the good news in this moment is that this is a binary choice. the difference between these two men could not be more stark the

difference is between the man who has spent his whole life, i think in many ways and formed by his own deep sense of loss and pain serving people. and another man whose only thinking about themselves oh, and he's especially focused on himself now that he's living under this cloud of all of these criminal convictions and charges against him. the american people going forward someone who will be focused on them and who will be focused on ordinary people that man is is joe biden hearing your home state senator, a new atlanta so journal constitution who shows president biden support among black georgia's slipping 260, 9% compared to 88% back in 2020. why do you think president biden support is falling among black voters here in georgia well, i can tell you as somebody whose name has been on the ballot some five times and less than three years, that the polls don't tell you as much as the people do. the only poll that really counts is november 5th and i

think that the people of georgia gonna get it right, black voters are going to get it right after all. black wealth is it's up some 60%. since the pandemic we've seen the narrowing of the racial wealth gap in part because this is a problem because it then who had the courage to cancel student debt. i've been in rooms all across the state. wolf and every time i asked a question that i've been asking lately heavy you had your student debt canceled or do you know someone who's had their student debt canceled? i haven't been in room yet. we're hands have not gone up. so what we've got to do between now and november is what i do every sunday i am i'm still the past of ebenezer church. i've preached the gospel, which literally means good news, even though it was good news, you got to tell it sunday after sunday at one while at the same time continuing to build on the progress that we've already made. so what you're seeing, senator, how ship president biden make that clear to voters, what should president biden say tonight? stage to make his case? and really try to solidify his

support with black voters well, first of all, he's running against a man who is an existential threat donald trump is a plague on the american conscience and the american nation and black voters in particular, ought to be concerned that the oval office could be occupied by a man who took out a full full-page ad condemning the exonerated five used to be the central part five. these young teenagers of a terrible crime. they did not commit. and when they were proven to be not guilty the he's he's never apologize for that. he's never come around joe biden is running on his record. he's running on a record of canceling student debt of passing. the largest tax cut for middle and working class families in american history. and donald trump is literally running on his criminal record as if that's a reason for black voters to vote

for. nothing could be more insulting. and at the end of the day not only are based are people who george and i believe the american people are going to get this right because there's so much at stake i want you to listen to senator, to what a republican i can senator, one of your colleagues, republican senator tim scott, said about the fact that he, scott is a top contender to be trump's running mate. listen to this we southerners gets so little credit for the progress we've made. the whole notion of judging a person on the

>> colleague talks about ellipses as republicans often do, dr. king's quote, that you ought to be judged not by the color of your skin, but the content of your character went when it came down to it donald trump hand-pick a football player who clearly was not qualified to be the senator from georgia, i think based on the color of his skin, it was a kind of cynical, racialized move. at the end of the day black voters, the voters of georgia saw straight through it and i'm the sitting junior senator representing the state of georgia and we've seen this movie before. donald trump

might try it again. he ought to remember what happened the last time. one interesting note, to do, atlanta journal constitution. senator, also shows only 12% of young voters aged 18 to 29 support president biden in your home state of georgia, is that a major alarm bell for president biden? and what does he need to say tonight to try to turn that around? i'm just double this well, listen that at the end of the day we need a president who's centers people rather than themselves and i think voters, regardless of their age, ought to ask themselves, well what vision is donald trump laying out when we were focused on trying to cancel student debt he chaired the fact that the supreme court, with many of his nominees i canceled canceled the president's original plan.