to select who the next president united states is. they're still, has gotta be more to come. but i think there's some there's some gnashing of teeth here on both sides thinking what could have happened. i sat here, listen to senator rubio talk and just a half mile from here in 2016, i introduced him to a crowd of folks on a campaign event. and that marco rubio had it right? that marco rubio was a bright star in the republican party that understood the conservative values. everybody keeps making excuses around donald trump. he sat here and tried to defend january 6. i sat on january 6 with brian kemp at a podium a mile from here at the georgia capital begging donald trump to get off his and say something to the american people that we're trying to storm the u.s. capitol. and he didn't until it was too late. this is the second time someone has used the word that should be believed on the show. >> and the last step is i think i'm going to end up on a seven second delay is the trump very well taken hi, chris, and final thought, we keep trying to divide this into style versus substance, or do voters care about character versus issues? these things are all connected. the style is the substance when it came to last night, voters

want somebody who's going to be a capable commander in chief. this is not oh, they don't like his style because it's a beauty pageant and they don't like what tikki picked he did not convey that he has what it takes to be the president. that's a massive problem for the country, right? well, it's good way to end this hour as we head in to what is distinctly a new phase of this presidential campaign, thanks to our panel, thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now the debate explosion. >> president biden waking up to calls to drop out of the race, one columnist rights mr. president, one what you can serve your country in 2024 is by announcing your retirement and calling on delegates to replace u. we have brand new reporting on how the president is stephen this and the first criminal charges have now been

filed over the horrific failed police response to the valade school massacre with the former police chief is now facing thing and how the families of those 19 children and two teachers are responding to this long awaited move and the separation of church and state blurred in oklahoma, the state's education sheets now requiring public schools to teach the bible and ten commandments effective immediately. i'm sarah slider here with john berman and kate bolduan this is cnn news central and happening right now and extraordinary morning after cnn this historic debate. >> and for many democrats, a full-on debate hangover. democrats so alarmed over biden's performance last night, there are more and more of them asking this, should president biden dropped out of the race now, right now, biden is facing an avalanche of bad headlines and rough reviews. and now he did on that debate stage well most of the panic

this morning is coming from democrats, unnamed sources, not ready to publicly put their name on it. there is one notable exception. so far, tom friedman, the new york times columnist, who is also a close friend of joe biden. he wrote, he put out a new piece just this morning saying this i watched the biden and trump debate alone and elizabeth hotel room and it made me weep. i cannot remember a more heartbreaking moment in american presidential campaign politics in my lifetime, precisely because of what it revealed. joe biden, a good man and a good president, has no business running for reelection cnn's kayla tausche is now in north carolina. we're president biden is traveling today four campaign event. kayla, what are you hearing from them today well, president biden's actions, kate, are conveying something of a course correction in the immediate wake of the debate, he visited a waffle house, greeted supporters, and then when he arrived here in raleigh around 2:00 a.m. he spent half an hour gregarious greeting supporters,

flashing them thumbs up and signaling that he felt good about the debate. >> and earlier in the evening when he was asked by a pool reporter whether he had any concerns about his performance. here's how he responded. >> today for biden any concerns about your performance target debate alarm york times, light 26 to me, that was a common frustration that emerged among biden advisers during and after the debate this dynamic where trump's falsehoods repeatedly thrust president biden into a fact role and put them on the

defensive for much of the debate, even so, he missed many the opportunities to correct the record, especially on issues like the charlottesville white nationalist rally or january 6 that are central to the messaging of his reelection campaign. democrats far and wide have panned his performance last night saying that at best, he was unprepared at worst, hizon unfit for another term many as you mentioned, doing so privately. but as that cavalcade of feedback starts coming in, the biden campaign is going to have to respond to that directly. and today we're going to see the first appearance of president biden. actually speaking and delivered worrying a message to his supporters here on the ground in raleigh. we'll see what the turnout looks like following last night's debate and how he decides to encapsulate what happened on stage last night? >> yeah. what his first commentary is after all of the commentary and the avalanche that we've been seeing coming in overnight, kayla. thank you so much. >> okay. we're going to take a quick look back at cnn's

historic night. just felony has a recap of the highs and the lows that everyone is talking about this morning. >> former president, this place, the whole world is blowing up under him, confronting the sitting president. >> never heard so much malarkey my whole life. >> but joe biden, setting off the alarm across the democratic party after a shaky performance against donald trump at the cnn debate in atlanta, joe, our country is being destroyed destroyed as you and i sit up here and waste a lot of time on this debate in their first face-to-face encounter in four years, trump's truck, a far different tone than he often does. it rallies back, rarely raising his voice. >> i really don't know what he said at the end of their sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either. >> one of biden's chief goals was to project an era of strength thanks on that score, he struggled making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what i've been able to do with the covid excuse me, with

dealing with everything we have to do with after a week of debate practice, he arrived on stage with a hoarse voice and often looked down or away. and on key policy issues for democrats like abortion, if i'm elected, i'm going to restore roe v. wade. he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. that is simply not true we are not for late term abortion period period, period. it was trump who tried catering to the middle, like ronald reagan, i believe in the exceptions, i believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. i think it's very important some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get elected also. but biden did go after trump on his treatment of veterans. >> my son was not a loser, was not a sucker. you're the sucker. you're the loser. >> he made up the suckers and losers. so he should apologize to be right now. four star general standard, your side was

on your staff who said had you said it? period? that's number one. and number two, the idea the idea that i have to apologize to you for anything along the line. we've done more for veterans. any president has an american history. >> and on trump's recent felony convictions in new york, you only person in this stage is a convicted felon as a man, i'm looking at right now causing trump to fire back when he talks about a convicted felon, his son as a convicted felon at a very high level, but he could be a convicted felon as soon as he gets out of office, you could be a convicted felon. the idea that i did anything wrong, relatives, what you're talking about is outrageous. the crimes. you are still charged with and think of all the civil penalties europe, how many billions of dollars duo and civil penalties for molesting a woman of public for doing a whole range of things i'm having sex with a pornstar on the night while your wife was pregnant. what was he talking about you have the morals of an alley cat. i didn't have sex with a porn star. number one,

on one of the biggest questions facing voters, the candidates age, skies three years younger, a lot less competent. the challenge should we do a golf match? he can hit a ball 50 years i think i'm in very good shape. i feel that is in good shape as i was 25, 30 years ago, actually, i'm probably a little bit lighter, but i'm as good as shape as i was years ago. i feel very good. i feel the same. the argument devolved into taunts. >> i told you before i'm happy to play golf. the if you're carry bag let's not act like children from continuing to downplay his role in the january 6 insurrection. >> i said peacefully and patriotically for the spt, go make a speech. i could see what was happening. everybody was saying they're going to be there on january 6. and i said they go to have some national guard or whatever to do a thing. and now he says if he loses again, such a whiner annuity is that it could be a bloodbath and only answering if he would accept the 2024 election results after being

pressed by cnn's dana bash, three times, if it's a fair and legal and good election absolutely. i would have much rather accepted these. but the fraud, but you continue to provoke this lie about somehow there's all this miss representation, all the stealing, there's no evidence of that at all. and i tell you what i dealt with. you'll accept it because you're such a wiener in the moments. after the debate california governor gavin newsom came into the spin room and told reporters that i will always stand by president biden. >> we have his back. but the question this morning is what democrats do going forward here. it will take some time to assess the performance. it will take some time to assess the next step a lot of democrats are throwing out names like the governor of michigan, gretchen whitmer and others. but the reality is vice president kamala harris, who was on our

air last night, is right next to president biden. so let's d what advisers and family members say to president biden what he says in north carolina, but this is a moment where he wanted to shake things up in this race and he may have done that in ways he did not intend to two jeff, what is the early polling tell you cnn's got new pulling out right after this as to how people responded to this, the voters themselves, a snapshot of that early polling shows and we can take a look at this. >> they thought that donald trump performed better, perhaps no surprise, 67% of viewers or people who've watched the debate did, donald trump one, joe biden, 33%. but interestingly, in terms of if it changes minds or not, take a look at these numbers. at 1%, eight and ten said it had no effect. so this is perhaps something that democrats may hold onto, that it had no effect. but the reality here is talking to voters what's procure in georgia, a key

battleground state for the last several days, there are voters in the middle who were looking to see signs of strength democrats, or looking to see president biden come out in a strong way. he did not do that. there's no charitable way to explain it beyond that. so the ball is in his court, just see what he says i'll hear from him today in north carolina. >> yeah. with such razor sharp margins here, they were looking to try to win over some people. and that polling tells you he absolutely did not. it's a reality check for democrats and for president biden and look one of the things you have said right there that we're watching for right now, a lot of the comments have been from columnist's, a lot of the comments it's a bit on background will a prominent elected democrat come forward over the next few hours, next few minutes, next few days, and say it is time for president bind to drop out. >> we are watching that we're also waiting to see donald trump on the campaign trail for the first time today. standby or special live coverage continues sunday on the whole

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is being overshadowed largely by what president biden did. nevertheless, trump is waking up in virginia that is where alaina train is this morning, alayna, what are you hearing from the trump team well luck, john. i donald trump's team was celebrating last night and they believe that donald trump did very well and delivered the type of performance that they hoped he would. now there's a couple of things i do want to point out. now. first of all, going in two last night, they were a bit worried and nervous about how the debate would go. they were not sure which type of joe biden would show up on the debate state would he will actually, i should say he they thought he would be a much stronger performer on the debate stage. they had been planning and expecting that he would deliver a speech similar to the state of the union where he was largely applauded by members of his party. that was not the joe biden that they saw last night. so that was one part of it. the other part is that they had extensively prepped donald trump on trying to keep him on message hoping

that he wouldn't go rogue to stay away from personal attacks and for the most part, joe biden did that or excuse me, donald trump did that. and so they were very happy with his performance. they've also been very closely monitoring democrats responses on social media. their comments on television, seeing the panic that has set in and they've been relishing that as well. i do want you to take a listen to what tim scott, one of donald trump's top surrogates set about the debate number one, the most dominant performance we've ever seen. >> the contrast could not be more clear. donald trump is ready for four more over to the issues at the american people cared the most about the border and the economy donald trump dialed in and told the story of four years of unbelievable success now, john, i will add that even though donald trump's team, even before the debate had ended, had put out statements claiming that trump at won the debate.

>> i would caution our audience to take, you know, take a week, let's see how this actually plays out. but donald trump's team is very happy with how this, when he's going to be giving a rally later today in chesapeake, virginia. and you can expect him to take a very large victory lap at that rally. well in virginia where it will happen will integrate to see you this morning. thank you much more coming up for us on the panic among democrats right now, biden's campaign co-chair mitch landrieu, on just last hour saying, admitting, get a rough he had a rough time last night, also saying about conversations and biden should get out. >> this is a conversation that's been going on for the last two-and-a-half years and not likely to happen new reporting coming out this morning, we'll be back july 4 cnn concert event by keith urban, ashanti, maybe wrexham, the killer many more go forth

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and pull it up from his roots. >> all right, with me now, seen an senior political commentator, david urban and cnn political commentator and former democratic state representative from south carolina, bacardi sellers let's just address that right there because because what i heard was likely from mitch landrieu, what i didn't hear was joe biden is definitely the candidate of the democratic party. what i heard from mitch landrieu is that's not likely to happen. him dropping out? no. he's not dropping out and nobody's hyperventilating and nobody is w probably got the wrong democrat if you want somebody up your hyperbaric now lading and just reflecting on last night pearl-clutching embed wedding like a lot of my democratic colleagues are the fact is joe biden is the nominee. he's gonna be the nominee in november. he had a poor be debate performance last night. he didn't look good. i wish the campaign would have told us that he was six, so i can at least lay a little groundwork throughout the day when we're on air that this is to everybody on the campaign. let us know if the man has a cough, you know that before he walks on stage. so we can actually relay that to the public and message appropriately but the choice is

clear. and what do you want four more years of chaos and donald trump, or do you want some stability in an old man? i mean, that is i mean, that's what we have. and so it's not going to be gretchen. it's not going to be rafael warnock is not going to be wes moore. it's not going to be all of these other gavin newsom is it josh shapiro? it's not gonna be josh shapiro. i like josh shapiro. josh shapiro is gonna be on our air. >> okay. well, you should it's and stable car. >> so let's say you're not going to be the nominee and josh shapiro will tell you, are you happy about that? all right. are you happy about that this morning? is that your happiest state or you as happy as you could be at this moment? this about who the democratic participatory democracy, and this is an electoral process in the last thing that needs to happen is bacardi sellers be happy. you know what i am going to do. i'm going to organize and vote. i'm going to organize my off and i'm going to vote and i'm going to make sure that other people do that. the choice is extremely clear. is that easier or harder this morning than it was yesterday morning? morning i don't think it's any easier or harder. >> the reason being is because we're in we're in june i've

never seen a presidential election in the history of the united states be one and june, i've never seen a presidential election one or loss from the first debate. i don't know if there's going be a second debate. that's a decision is made by people who get paid more than i. but look, i mean it is what it is. the man got beaten the debate last night. it's yunus, he gonna be younger in august or september well, i don't i don't know about that. >> i mean, maybe you can give them some water and some of the tanning beds that trump used. i don't know. i mean, he looked a little pale last night. i don't know. >> all right. david, obviously, again, if you are a republican right now, a trump supporter, your be as quiet as you possibly could be. you've been very restrained here because i'm not sure of the usu. >> the trump strategy right? there. just be quiet. let the other guy talk right last night. let's it so mitch landrieu to start a great guy. he's the governor of new orleans during katrina, so he's used to clean it up disastrous, right? excuse me. besides the mayor, he was the mayor of new orleans. he so he's just to clean up after natural disasters, which last night was a natural disaster. let's not make any puns about it, because if joe biden had a

cold mckinney was really concerned about his cold. he went to the waffle house and just infected like a whole bunch of people, wasn't wearing a mask. so i'm not so sure the cold thing anybody's buying the gold thing, right look, it was it was just a terrible performance by the guy. the big question now is that is he not just fit to run for president for next term? is he fit to serve the balance of his term? because i guess the one thing that i know is true that xi jinping was watching last night that vladimir putin was watching that all are all the bad guys around the world were watching. and they're thinking right now might be a good time to test. let me ask one question about last night, but honestly, i think we've moved beyond last night. i want to focus on the now going forward, but about last night and donald trump performance, which i think you were generally happy with, but and but, you after if he was more measured at the beginning toward the end he went off into outer space on a whole bunch of things the second half was when there was a lot more just outright dishonesty election denialism, all those things that was

there. if you're a middle of the road voter inclined not to like that aspect of donald trump. you saw it last night john, if any? everybody is watching that that point. this was performative, this debate, right? i don't think it was going away talking about like joe biden, the biggest issue for democrats and joe biden is choice, right? so abortions a giant issue coming up on this in this election when joe biden was pitched a softball, right? he lifted, he couldn't answer. you gave this convoluted answer about the three trimesters and it was terrible. it was terrible. his closing statement was about taxes. right. so nobody is gonna remember anything donald trump said because joe biden whipped it's so bad. i just want want one other quick thing to say. what isn't a story this morning is our network it was the moderators. we're basically they were invisible. dana and jake did an incredible job of monitoring a very tricky debate and making it about the issues american people benefited last night because we got to see a really a really good debate between the two leading candidates. and i think our network important itself very well. and i know from people like vivek ramaswamy fahmy, who

was a big critic of dana and jake tweeted last night. look, i got to say they did a great job. well you've been praised by vivek, not know, but i'm saying people who were very critical, i got i got it. whatever making that ramaswamy happy is no one school i know, but john, i'm saying his critics were saying, i think what what david is rightfully taking a victory lap, but he's filling himself a little bit like many republicans donald trump showed who he was last night, and you want to talk about the country being weaker. we can talk about the relationships so we've built in the strength of naoh. we can talk about our global standing around the world. we can talk about the people who are looking at that debate last night and saying, donald trump could not tell the truth if it was the last thing that he had to do and so i look if you're just looking at appearance, the old man had a cough, he stammered, he stuttered, he looked pale and he did not win the debate november is right around the corner how were your text messages? last night? because right from say, 9:00 p.m. till now well, my my my

group chat with my south carolina colleagues one was fine and two were pearl-clutching my my text with the campaign were all right. >> well, what do we do next? >> well, what do you do next? what you got there and campaign, i use what fat joe today here's what fat joe and north carolina today. i mean, there's nothing else to do but rally and organized and vote. this isn't rocket science. people come on here and they're like, oh my god, i want to get rid of joe and do what practically how does that work? it doesn't, it's not that's not a possibility. that's not something that will happen. so what do you do now? you have joe biden versus donald trump. if you're a democrat, you have a choice. this is a elections are choices. you have three of them in this race. you literally have three choices in this race. you have donald trump, joe biden, and the couch. which one are you going to choose? you mentioned josh shapiro would it be harder to be. josh shapiro for something president, listen, i've known josh shapiro since 1996. he be donald trump is a good friend of mine. i think josh shapiro been very formidable candidate why? i don't know if he could beat him. listen, he is an incredibly popular governor in the state of pennsylvania. there are trump shapiro voters

in the state. what, why are we talking about josh shapiro? >> what josh pier is coming out and we're talking about the idea that there might be another democrat out there, but they're not like we were talking about things that are not reality. the democratic nominee for president, his name is joseph robinett biden, not until the convention, but standby. we're going to talk much more about this in many other things. david, david urban, bacardi cells. you're going to overtime you're going nowhere will talk to you right after this break. a coffee is getting cold final episode of violence. >> there are definitely violent and unleash massive structure can impacts are worsening. >> is it too late to undo decades of climate change? violet earth would we have schreiber sunday at nine on? >> i managed the last room for 190 bucks. i put the last one a week ago. >> i talked yesterday, some sites panic you into booking their last room. >> instead, trivago comparison hotel prices from hundreds of sites. so you can save up to $50 a night hotel trivago.

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network yes. >> there was a slow start, but it was a strong finish. and what became very clear through the course of the night is that joe biden is fighting on behalf of the american people on substance on policy, on performance joe biden is extraordinarily strong, and that cannot be debated but after that debate last night, what are they doing today back with us, david urban, the car sellers. how do you get people voters to focus on substance after the performance lesson, i you it's not just substance. you are a public figure. it's all in the same. >> you have to put the mirror up and you have to remind people but four years under trump, what was i mean, if you if you are a woman in this country and you're trying to make a decision about who you're voting for. you remember the three justices that took away your right to make a decision about your own body and your health care. i mean, if you're somebody who has law enforcement in your family, like everybody does, and you want law enforcement to come home safely? you remember

somebody who actually ushered in january 6 where they were literally crushing law enforcement officers. you can look in the camera and say that our health care, our jobs, donald trump, inherited a beautiful economy. now i sound like him what he left us with, was shambles. and so i am not as taken aback by the fundamentals of this race after last night still very much the same, the same problem donald joe biden had prior to the race of the same problem we have today, which is that this is not a persuasion race. you weren't persuading anybody last night. your job was to get them out to vote and we still have a true there's a whole conversation about the nikki haley voters if we're depending on nikki haley voters to win this race, then that's a whole, another thing that is, that is an ingredient in the bucket, right? i'm more concerned about, to be honest with you. i'm more concerned about black man in detroit, michigan than i am about a nikki haley voter the car is a warrior. i mean, he's a warrior for his teammates go, the car is going that. he has a warrior first-team. he's going out. this is what you've got to do. you have two choices if you're a democrat at this point, you can fold up your tent and go home and say, it's over. i'm

done or you dig in and fight harder. a flawed candidate. but john, i don't think there's there's not show me a path how you replaced this is not he asked to draw it goes like and then you would have to look in the mirror and think that he is not the gun, but the political practicality that is not so what happens is if, if joe biden, let's just talk about this. if joe biden were to drop out and anybody around this table, things that you're going to take some white dude to jump kamala harris, then you will have a problem in the democratic party it's a big failure may not happen. this is what i think is a huge failure. the white house press corps, they've been around this for months and months, months. there's been a little reporting on joe biden taken the short stairs on air force one. he's not up to this node to that. shame on the white house press corps for not taking three, turn it into whole piece. and the white house trapped and went after that, right that's move that was deeply source in the white house that's my nine denied. right? that's my point it out there. were no, no. but i'm saying on television, people, they should have dug more and

fadh harder. the journalists night was vindicated. they were vindicated. those reporters, wall street journal, should be having a big stack of pancakes this morning and saying, we were right, you were all wrong. more people should've been pushing this. joe biden chiton, but up there, if you care, if the car is team cares about this is democracy on the bow. this is the biggest election over life. joe biden would have an out their last name family wouldn't let them go out there dr. jill biden won't let him go out there. if that was my father, i would never let my dad my dad last two years, his life had had dementia. i would've never i protected my phone is about he talked did my fanning him do anything and the man is making some decisions but i don't think so. >> i know who's also he's at one but he's created like 15 million jobs. he's 81, but he drug us out of covid like you, it's not as saying it's an ability. that ability. it isn't ability thing. i'm sorry. i i do want to ask you about the polling because you guys were talking about look, it is really interesting to see the cnn poll basically saying that 81% of voters who watched this debate said that this has

not changed their mind at all. but wait before you get excited makari, 19% that leaves 19% of e this could be the game changer, 5%, right? right. could change or i don't know who they're voting for. i don't know where their mind changed from. what if they don't show up. i mean, now that is not that is more that is more of a concern of mine. my biggest concern are not, the nikki haley voters are swing voters. a small sliver that frank lots and everybody else would talk about my my biggest concern is making sure that people come off the couch and vote. what also gives me comfort when i mentioned the fundamentals, the bit one of the larger problems with the donald trump movement is that they really recruit, poured down bout at candidates that is been a problem for them this entire time. people like kari lake, she's getting beat in arizona. jacky rosen is winning

in nevada, were winning in minnesota by 11 points. what amy klobuchar we make dated were winning in pennsylvania, right? we're not then. and then you have you have a gubernatorial candidate in north carolina who was just running roughshod over mark robinson. and so democrats this morning, like listen to james carville and joe scarborough and get all upset and grab your neck and sweat and say, oh my god. and then i'm gonna give you this weekend, get all that out your system, and then monday get back to the task at hand, which is either we fight or we fold up tint it, lose democracy. current makes a good point about don balah candidates because that's where the pressure is going to come from. >> the pressure that had come from congressmen who were in pretty tight districts you could cover jon tester, shared brown, bob casey sam brown, and nevada. i mean, jacky rosen and nevada, people who are in very tough races where when josh shapiro is on here and a little bit you ask him what it's gonna do for the race and any other questions? >> yeah.

>> i'll stick around and ask john if you like my fairy does it take a giant anchor? >> joe biden is kind of a giant anchor around your neck and jumping off the docket this but who wants to listen? where those candidates last night on twitter, none of it. they were silent. there was deafening silence from people who are running on the ticket right now because they had to say nothing. they couldn't defend his performance. they couldn't say one i'm good thing. so there's like their mom taught him, don't say anything, can't say something nice. don't send extent are quiet. quiet. look one point i want to bring up here because the car you said there's a practical, you know, it's not a practicality. this point can't happen, it doesn't historically you just would never happen so much that has never happened before, has happened in the last 5678 years. so much i'm not saying it should. i'm just saying we're in a phase now, like this post historical phase, we're just self goes crazy, wild stuff that we've never seen before. is happening now almost every six months. so

just look at the supreme court, just like with the word unprecedented, how many times it will use that like every single day for president in truly, i'm ready to get back to precedent in time. just because it hasn't happened in a long time, it doesn't mean it can't. i mean, i just think that we are i think the democrats do themselves a disservice, often. >> and we we want to fall in love david urban and those guys fall in line. there's nobody i know who really wants to have an anchor around their neck and run beside donald trump there's nobody who i know once we get down valid candidate with donald trump outside of the cycle, fans like kari lake and others. joe biden is going to be fine. now, he angle get no younger. he's going shuffled his feet when he walks, probably goes to bet a little earlier than he did 20 years ago. in the man has a stutter and apparently last night he needed a lozenge, right but on substance, there's nobody who can tell me on substance that he's not a better candidate than donald trump.

>> but makari, if he cannot get that message out, if he can't actually put that message out strongly to the public in a debate or elsewhere. does that just fall by the wayside no matter what no, no, that's that's that's when now see, not now. >> we're talking because that's when you get josh shapiro. that's when you get kamala harris. that's when you get rafi a war, not that's when you have the individuals who looked like the future of the party come out and that's when kamala harris gets on stage and destroys anybody they put in front of her in the next debate that we'll see like doug barnum, who i don't really know who that is, but we're going to examine his record. you know, we have the only person who gives us any paul's is marco rubio. that's it. the rest of these guys and ladies, i mean, it doesn't matter to us unless he chooses glenn youngkin, which we talked about this morning, which could be a little curveball david, one of the things is there a risk of in the aftermath of the debate? >> and we'll democrats are processing, let's just say is there a risk for donald trump? where everyone's waiting to hear what joe biden says today.

i'm also curious what donald trump says today. can you can you go too far? you were trying to offer advice leading into the debate that he may have heard and actually listened to. i'm not sure. i think i think here to for many people right yesterday morning, john was asking, what do we need to do, right? donald trump need to do to win the debate last night, you get a w this morning, i think to largest said he did that, right? he didn't he was colored within the lines and talked about the big issues that he benefited from, his ability and shadow the minds getting shut off. and i think he talked substance and so i think today's gonna go to virginia and talk substance right here. we'll talk about the debate a bit less, will see the rally, we don't have to wait that long list and let's just be a little more candid talking substance is not what donald trump does not what people look for him, but we'll talk to you, talk jargon i talk substance. we'll talk donald trump does not. it will talk about the economy. >> i'll talk about the board. are he'll talk about things that matter, right in his in his own way that they got him elected and 16 and is keeping them ahead and pause now so he'll do that in virginia. and

i think he's going to be a more relaxed donald trump. but now that this debates behind them, i don't think we'll see a second debate. i don't think that's going to occur. you don't i don't think listen. if if i was if i talk to the campaign are not necessarily present i'm a lay the groundwork for that right now. i'm i think we might assault saw enough they will not trump has to take the day or two bad press to be like, why would we debate everyone saw what happened? >> we don't need to say, i think that's a great decision of how the biden campaign i'll be like we want it, but if you don't want it, we don't have to take it. and so your lawyers like bacardi out there fighting the fight but like can i say something though and i hope they listened to me. they probably don't listen to me what they would like a needed done ron klain jen o'malley, dillon, they need to do the reflection. this morning because what they did in preparation and lead up to that night was a disservice to the president of the united states and not laying the groundwork appropriately. and or they did not prep him hope really. and honestly, the person who did

the best last night, who is not going to get the praise that he does because he's interesting cat is jason miller jason miller prepared the president, the former president of the united states, to debate. he had them constrained. they messaged, well, their spin room was great and they came out and executed a good day does that mean you lose an election in november no. well, it just means that we have to fight. we were down 15 points at halftime. let me we can win the game. yes or no, should they debate again? makari, who is there that's the former president. i you know if i was running joe biden's campaign, we would not we probably wouldn't debate again. okay. yeah. no, i don't think they debate and here's it's going to decide this also what is the donor class say to the biden campaign or when he's out there asking for millions of dollars to keep going to the deep pocketed donors that they say. sure, here's another 10 million. that's what got someone they will i do i think that they both candidates will have enough money, or do they

or did they say, we're going to focus on down ballot candidates? >> this keep the house and senate, write this would start going badly. people look to triage damage, right? so they're going to say, well, we may stand a chance of in nevada, we're going to pour money to save jacky rosen. we're going to pour money into say, bob casey we're not going to really pour money into joe biden's coffers. that'll be very telling, not this. whatever the next fec report is coming up in the next quarter, it's not you're not gonna be able tell right away, but you'll be able to see in donations, i think trump will have a big week this week in fundraising people, big donors will be willing to right bigger checks and that's incredibly telling the car and i talked about this, the vice presidential know the announcement. there's not a lot of pressure now for donald trump to do that, right? because we don't need, we don't need we don't. why would you want to step on this? we're going to have to take a break or we're going to suffer violence thank you gentlemen for being here for the first time. criminal indictments over the failed police response in uvalde, the charges that disgraced officers now face

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the de is arguing here that by not doing what they were supposed to do, the officers here and specifically pete are redondo who is the chief of the school police department. they left the children in there. they never took care of them. they never provided them with aid and care. and so that is why the da rylee, it's surprised everyone that they were even charges brought here. so the de there should be applauded for go ahead and moving forward with bringing these charges because many people did not think that would happen. and as you said, pete out redondo, he surrendered last night. he was arrested booked, and then released. today. we are expecting the second police officer, adrian gonzales to surrender and face additional charges as well. his indictment is a bit of the surprise because there hasn't been a lot of folks this on gonzalez. he was one of the first police officers on scene there. he was assigned to the school as well. he worked for the school police department one of the things that i found when i went back and looked at some of the investigative file.

was that officer while he was first on scene, he also caused a lot of confusion by putting certain information patient out over the radio about what was going on inside the school that perhaps may have led to some of the confusion in officers thinking that there were no children inside that classroom that perhaps led to the delay in officers going inside that room and eventually taking out the gunman. but this is really, really significant because we just don't see this often. and certainly there's gonna be a lot of challenges in this case for the district attorney. >> i was going to ask you, what are you hearing about the chances for a successful prosecution? >> it's gonna be difficult because look, this has happened before in parkland and florida. deputy, there was charged with something very similar and the jury ultimately acquitted that officer. so there are definitely challenges with this prosecution and that's why i think a lot of legal folks in texas never thought this was going to happen. but the de had

been working with the grand jury for months. she had family members it's come in. the investigators come in. they even went and visited the school just a couple of days ago. so a very significant move here by the de now we have to let the legal process kate play out around. thank you so much. and a programming now we're going to speaking to family member of one of the victims, checking srs for uncle's going to be joining us later in the show. sarah all right. democratic operatives are in panic mode. trump's team celebrating this morning after last night's historic debate. but what are voters saying? and those also important battleground states and michigan, there divided over the first 2024 presidential debate between biden and trump trump. won michigan in 2016. as you will remember, biden though carried that state in 2020, but trump held onto michigan's become counties. cnn's laura coates was they're getting real-time voter reaction to the debate? listen there was a couple of moments to say the least where there was a huge reaction, particularly on the issue of abortion. here's what

was said. >> i support it. roe v wade, which had three trimesters first time is between a woman and a doctor. second time is between the doctor and an extreme situation a third time is between the doctor. i mean, it'd be between the woman in the state. the idea that the politicians at the founders wanted to politicians to be the ones making decisions to my woman's health is ridiculous. >> with what was said just now by the two candidates, didn't persuade you in any way that either was going to they able to be speaking to because they needed anyone yes prison by spoke to it and i could see and feel his passion about that should be between a woman and her doctor not all these other entities. do you think that the former president donald trump addressed the issue in a way that spoke to you, anyone it didn't necessarily speak to me, but it did bring up something very important where

it was interesting to see how like facts were being thrown out that weren't actually facts about babies being killed are certain in stages of abortion. >> but just generally speaking, for late term abortions don't happen as often as they seem too, but it seems to be a consistent talking point. so it was interesting to me that what biden has done wasn't really addressed by trump. >> i don't necessarily feel as though my rights or the rights of my daughters are any more protected with what trump said or what biden said? i don't see any actions to re-establish roe v. wade being taken by biden and i don't see our rights as women being protected by trump. >> at one point, president by an spokes, the issue of saying if he were reelected that he would ensure that roe v. >> wade became the law of the land again, where you convinced by that statement absolutely not. why? the action is in the pudding of hands. how many of you feel that abortion and reproductive rights is a big consideration for you going into this election.