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fear of thunder, fireworks separation, or any other anxieties, thunder shirt can help. thunder shirts find it. retailers like pet smart and petco tonight on 360, you president biden addresses the nation after the supreme court handed down a ruling for the ages given the former president, a level of immunity from january 6 charges and blurring the line, critics sworn between president's and keys also tonight, new reporting and how long some democrats close to the president have been concerned about his condition as the cause for him to get out of the race continue and his supporters push back hard and later, one of the former president senior advisers in january 6, agitator steve bannon, report to prison. good evening. thanks for joining pointing us just go president biden, who wants chaired the senate committee in charge of vetting supreme court nominees, had this to say about today's historic ruling on presidential immunity today's supreme court decision on presidential immunity that fundamentally changed for all, for all

practical purposes today's decision almost certainly means that there for virtually no limits or the president can do this a fundamentally new principal and it's a dangerous precedent. the president's comments obviously come in the midst of political turmoil with a lot of questions about his health and fitness for office while new reporting by carl bernstein on that shortly. but first the ruling by the supreme court, it certainly delays he's jackson has january 6 case against the former president potentially affects any state election interference cases against him. and there's the larger president at sets which president biden just underscore. here's chief justice roberts writing for a 6-3 conservative majority today, the president therefore may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers and he is entitled at a minimum to a presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts in the immediate sense, this means sending the trump election subversion case back to the trial judge for her to determine subject to further appeal which parts of the indictment cover official acts. but in a larger sense, as the

president just mentioned, this ruling sets a new standard hindered for all presidents, the future, which critics, including the court's three dissenters save fundamentally and destructively reshapes the power of the presidency are so justice sonia sotomayor put it, quote, the court effectively creates a law free zone around the president, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the founding 50 years ago, former president, a former president said this and shocked people when he did or when the president does it. that means that it is not illegal. >> shocking then an open question now, joining us, it's former trump attorney james trustee from federal judge nancy gertner, bestselling author and supreme court biographer, jeffrey thuban, for federal judge shira scheindlin and cnn senior political commentator, david axelrod, drift tube. and let's start with you. what's reaction to how the president frame this? well, it's a big, big victory for donald trump. it means that the january 6 case, the case before judge chutkan in the

district of columbia is at a minimum delayed until after the after the election. but i think we'll never be tried because if you look at how chief justice roberts framed the issue, he said that all official conduct is not only off-limits for prosecution, but there can even be any evidence presented about official conduct and the definition of official conduct is so broad that it seems to eat up the entire indictment in my view of in the january 6 case. so i think either judge chutkan or an appeals court or the supreme court will wind up dismissing the january 6 case because it involves official conduct. judge gertner, i so you've kind of shaking your head about that, but i want to read you part of sort of my oral dissent where she lists potential illegal conduct by future president could be shielded from prosecution by the ruling orders. she says orders the navy seal team six to assassinate a political rival immune, organized as a military

coup to hold onto power. immune takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon. immune. she correct? >> there's no question that he'd been inoculated. official acts have been inoculated. and even as to the non official acts, even to the private actors, the state electoral officials that trump called, you have to prove that there's no danger of intrusion on the authority of the executive branch. in other words, the bar, they have said is flight hi. there are still some room. i don't agree with jeff, but one of the things that's going to happen is that they've created such a complex factual test that even as judge chutkan says, this is in and this is out, it'll go up to court of appeals. it'll go up to the supreme court and it will never be tried that i agree. well it'll never be tried if trump wins the presidency because he'll dismiss the case. so that's the first way, right. never tried because it's not going to get a trial before the election. there's too much to do and the district court to sort out where where each

charge falls it is is it in the corps constitutional is it on this outer perimeter where it's only presumptive immunity? we have absolute immunity, presumptive immunity. but is there any real difference because the government would have to disprove it. so there's an awful lot of immunity. then then we get the private conduct. but as we all well said, in the private conduct, you can't use the evidence of the protected conduct which makes it impossible to try the case. so it's really very bad opinion in one sentence, i would like to summarize. they should right at the end of it, this case has precedential only for this case, this is like an bush speak exactly. it should not be a precedent for any other purpose, but this okay that would have been at least honest. i also think that they were creating this incredibly complex test to justify the amount of time they spent on the case. they said that over and over again. well, you know, we have to remand for this complicated factual test. the district court didn't go into this. the district court didn't go into it because what the district court was saying in the court of appeals was saying is, i don't know what

the meets and bounds of immunity in the next case but we know that it doesn't apply here and that's all they had to say. >> jim trusty the new york times is reporting that according to a person with knowledge of the matter, trump again, and efforts today to throw out his recent criminal conviction and hadn't it's bone is upcoming sentencing citing the supreme court ruling, trump's lawyers and a letter to the judge seeking permission to file a motion to set aside the verdict. do you think that that would be successful? >> yeah. i don't know. i mean, everything seems to happen in new york with president trump seems doomed from the start. so i'm not convinced that pre presidential activity, there's going to be the type of thing that judge merchan looks two and decides we have to revisit the issue of immunity. similarly, i think the mar-a-lago case is going to be more difficult to be affected by this because it talks about post-presidential activity. but at the heart of this anderson, this is what lawfare brings when you have prosecutors who pre-select their target and creatively inventively look for evidence to try to justify

unique types of charges. it puts pressure on the courts to fight back against the notion of lawfare. and so at the heart of it, justice sonia sotomayor in her dissent, says exactly what mike dreeben said during oral argument for the government, that prosecutors don't bring political cases that there's all these checks that are in place where we don't need to immunize the president. and the reality is this court, the majority of this court is not blind to the context of all of these inventive lawfare moments. so they look at it and they say that might have been the model for a long time, but that kind of trust in the system when it comes to prosecutors is gone. on now, the question is, is is it lawfare to respond when a president for the first time in american history tries to overturn the legitimate results of an election. yes, it's an unusual case that was filed a. by, by the justice department here. but this was an unusual circumstance that donald trump

brought on. so the idea that, that, that's somehow bad for the legal system, i think has things backwards. >> when you talked about less respect for prosecutors, what about for the hi court? i think the public's perception that the high court is neutral is gone, that they are fair body is gone. they have looked completely politicized and the 6-3 spit a split drove the nail and it's also very dangerous because what it looks like is the sixth justices repaid the efforts to get them on the court. i don't mean it physically repaying, but clearly they are delivering also with respect to the classified documents case, there is nothing about that that was it that suggests improper prosecutorial discretion. he had boxes of classified documents end of discussion if they did not go after him for that, that would have been troubling given is this did you expect this is this ruling kind of more in

trump's favor than you expected are pretty much what you thought that's pretty much what i thought. >> i noted that the attorneys for president trump, we're kind of shooting for the stars and settling for the moon when they said absolute immunity, the king can do no wrong. version. they didn't get that, but they got something that's obviously very helpful on the january 6 inventive prosecution and before we leave the point about mar-a-lago, there's a credible allegations sworn to to a district court judge, like a couple of my colleagues here that says that jay bratt, one of the lead attorney, literally extorted walt nauta as attorney to get his cooperation dangled a judgeship in front of them so, let's not pretend that everything is so clean and tidy when it comes to the conduct of the government and the prosecution in the mar-a-lago case, there's much to be explored there, and i think a lot of it is getting explored. judge finland, what i mean, what about the guardrails for the presidency moving forward? >> are there any guard rails

for the presidency moving forward after this decision, it seems to me that a president not most presence, but a president, could do exactly what he or she wants, even if it's a criminal act. so long as it can be counted as an official act netflix cares i so much for you using the trappings of power to accomplish what he wants. and i hate to say this, but that's what orban was doing in hungary he didn't rescind the constitution using the trappings of power, to accomplish what you want. and that's what trump did. trump's lawyers got more than what they asked for because you remember that? the question in the dc circuit with judge pan said if a president orders an assassination with seal team six is that a crime? everybody thought that was a crime. it's not a crime in this in this as a result of this opinion because it's part of his official act prison biden

coming out today, speaking, we're using a teleprompter, not taking questions. >> what what message do you think the president has campaign are trying to send with that address? >> well look this is the problems that the president has been well discussed and they're gonna be discussed further about his acuity and stamina and so on. there are major problems with president trump and they're, all they all circle around this notion of a guy who doesn't recognize rules and laws and norms and institutions who doesn't respect guardrails. and now garden further guardrails have been removed. we've heard what the president has said along the way in this campaign, president trump, about what he would do he would if he came back about retribution about vengeance now, it seems like he's getting a green light to use the tools of his office to do just that. so i think what

biden was trying to do was sort of recenter the race on that, whether he's successful one press conference isn't but this is she's certainly a center cut for why he says he is running and why he thinks it's important that acts raj and trustee, judge gertner, geoff tube, and you can linn. thank you. we'll be back with david axelrod in a moment. next, more on the drama around the president and questions about his fitness, sustain the race. carl bernstein is when you reporting on that in later see bannon goes to prison and the circuits that came before you know, if you are cashback and you could earn on everything which is one car chase frequent limited. >> so you're off the racket or grabbed fracking your cash back in jazz, back on flap jacks, baby back for tacos at the taco shack. >> i'm working on my six pack switch to a king suite. the silent siler retreat although he answers this back, kids. all right. now, madison elementary, cash back when every day you bought will chase freedom and limited with no annual a, you cashback make more of a joke

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one-off that there have been 15, 20 occasions in the last year and a half when the president has appeared somewhat as he did in that horror show. >> that we witness. and what's so significant is that people, that this is coming from and also how many people around the president are aware of such incidents, including some reporters incidentally, who, who have witnessed some of them but here we see tonight as these people say president biden, that is absolute best. and yet, these people who have supported him loved him campaign for him, see him often, say that in last six months, particularly there has been a marked incidents of cognitive decline and physical in what i wonder about is the people who were working with him at camp david, allegedly in this intensive debate prep if there were concerns, there about this, and i don't know if

you have any got any word about that, but how anybody involved in that debate prep didn't anybody see something debate prep was supervised by iran klain, who has been with president biden for many years and people i've talked to have all been duran klain in the last year to say we have a problem we have a problem such as we saw the other night that there have been numerous instances where the president has lost his train of thought can't pick it up again. >> there was a fundraiser which he started at the podium and any became very stiff according to the people there, as if it were almost a kind of rigor mortis. this was allegedly in june of 20 this was june of this was a year ago, almost exactly at the old four seasons restaurant on park avenue and he became very stiff in a chair, had to be brought for him to do the latter part of

the event. i think that what these folks are saying and have been saying for awhile is yes he's great when we see him. as we have tonight, but he also has these inexplicable moments that were very concerned about. and you, ron klain, and the first family we need to talk about this and they've been pushed back repeatedly whenever however. it's been brought up. >> are there did your sources tell you about topics he is particularly engaged in or there not only then is not just these same people. there is no question i have heard for two years how sharp joe biden is in his national security meetings. he has special briefing books on ukraine, on situation in gaza that go down into very detailed military reports. he has an absolute command of the facts as sharp as can be. you

see the evidence of his being in a chairman of the foreign rule relations committee in the senate of his work as vice president on foreign relations. so we're clearly dealing with with two sets of one person and it really needs to be explored according to the people i'm talking to. and i think an awful lot of major democrats believe this, including some who had made statements to the contrary but this is a problem. it's not going to go away unless it's explicable does this mean doctors reports? i mean, obviously be great if we could have real doctors reports from both candidates. well, that's not going to happen. yeah. provers and stay with us going to bring a cnn senior political commentator, david axelrod is vaccine and competent or former georgia republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan is with us as well. so it is ashley at the end who served as communications director for vice president harris, also joining us former wisconsin governor in 2016, republican presidential candidate, scott walker. so david, i mean,

supporters of the president continued to say, look, it was a bad performance in a debate which makes it sound like it was an anomaly. carl is reporting about is a number of incidents according to the people he's talked to which i mean is it just about a bad debate performance? >> well i don't i don't think that's the way the public view that obviously you look at polls and the numbers have further deteriorated as to whether people think he has the fitness to serve. i think dan to 27% in the poll that was released by cbs on sunday. so the problem with his performance wasn't just that it was a very bad performance, but it was a bad performance that confirmed people's fears about his capabilities and the whole goal, i assume of doing the debate was to dispel those concerns and yet it ended up

doing the opposite and so president obama and other presidents have had bad debates but it's only the reason this is so damaging is because it goes to the main concern that people have. it's not about his decency, it's not about his identification with people. i don't think it's a bad as experience for sure it's just about stamina and acuity. and on that particular night in front of that vast audience he didn't display it. >> governor walker, and you're supporting donald trump. do you think joe biden will be the democratic candidate for president i do. >> i mean, i think i said long ago, i think joe biden look at his three would know his arm off before i gave up fresh bottomline is seeking this for decade. and as many of your panels subset in the past, it's really tough to make that change delegates are legally many states obligated to vote for, at least in the first round, there's all sorts of campaign finance issues. i think just as an american, not as a republican, it was sad

what we saw at the end the night, if it continues, continue to be sad and tragic. my advice for president crop is going forward. don't draw attention to it. american people can see it. instead, talk about how you're going to do things that make their life better, more affordable, safer, more secure. and let the public see what they can see, what their own eyes do. ashley, i mean, you worked on biden's 2020 campaign. you worked communications for vice president harris. the difference between biden in 2020 debates and this last one is obvious. how can the president reassure people who watched him with pain and fear on that debate stage. >> i mean, i think he actually did it on friday. i think he actually doubled down on it tonight. but here's the teleprompter is no absolutely they are. but, you know, he's still look strong and with it even on those teleprompter is and there are times in which many elected officials, even former president and trump, has not looked strong on a teleprompter. but here's the thing that i think that is that's being lost and i like

to go back to what act said and that is trump also reinforce the negatives about him. if he had none of the challenges that joe biden did, but still all so underperformed. he he didn't raise nearly as much money, 6 million short of what joe biden race during the actual debate, joe biden's rates 33 million since that point, the push polls show that independence in new nikki haley voters didn't like his response to january 6, didn't like the fact that he lacked substance and lacked division. in addition to that, they also felt like they couldn't trust donald trump, so he actually didn't do himself any favors either. and i think that's the narrative that's also being lost in all of this discussion about president biden geoff, your republican, who's endorsed biden. i'm wondering what do you make the defense in many top democrats are making four graham well, there's no other way to call it then thursday was an unmitigated disaster on

so many fronts. >> and there's only one way to explain it there, age-related issues and? these are conversations that happen all across america in homes where with aging parents and grandparents, whether or not they should drive, whether or not they should handle their their own finances. that inner circle is really got a deep dive and make sure they're giving them honest truths and understanding the gravity of this situation. but politically speaking, this 10% in the middle that i certainly find myself in that will determine the next election outcome or 100% totally up for grabs again, trying to figure out how do we get through this donald trump disaster. how do we find somebody in democrats have a very difficult job in front of him? they've either got to figure out a way to crisis management, their way through so biden's performance on thursday or they got to go figure out the messy, sloppy process of picking a candidate that's more centric if they can get through that and get to convention. and actually presents somebody that's more moderate game on. i think there's a huge chance to take donald trump and his, the circus and beat them governor walker, i'm wondering what you

make of i don't know if attain ringing or freak out or real fear among democrats about what they saw in joe biden on that, on that debate stage. i mean, for donald trump, many of his top national security folks and former chief of staff and cabinet officials are not endorsing him in again, and they have concerns about his fitness how do you view what the democrats are handling this? >> well i mean, it's fitting before the segment started, you had the man who helped exposed to cover up of watergate. now, talking about what many of us believe has been the cover up the state of mind, a president biden for the last couple of years, at least last year in particular. and i think that's the big fear of the american people saw first-hand in all the three elections. i want statewide here and wisconsin, i always said the most potent political arguments are the ones people inherently know to be true. the other challenge that i think he has and that president trump, if he's going to win, has to capitalize is the economy high prices, it's

not only number one issue for everyday families that young america's foundation or i'm that we just released a poll literally today. and amongst college students, nation one, the number one issues the economy that's not a good issue for joe biden and donald trump can again stop attacking biden. just start focusing on how he's gonna help people get the economy you're going again and get prices down. give people back to work. he wins. >> carlisle. i just wanted to get your reaction on the supreme court's ruling on presidential immunity, obviously, given all hear, your focus on next and you're reporting during watergate and the parallels between nixon and this ruling well, the parallels are the donald trump has gone much farther in his criminality than richard nixon did. if you look at what occurred on january 6 and attempted coup by the incumbent president of the united states to hold onto to, office after a free and fair election so there's that comparison to begin with, and then you have the enabling bias

supreme court including two justices who shouldn't be on that court in terms of handling these cases, who should have recused themselves thomas and alito so you have a terrible situation in which any future president of the united states, but especially a donald trump, who knows, we keep using the expression guardrails. he's never seen a guard breath the court has now enabled presidents to have this extraordinary executive authority that is nowhere in the constitution itself let me say one more thing. no about this discussion that we're having about president biden then these two aspects of it it's what's so striking to me is how many descriptions i heard from these democrats that fit with what we saw the other night including three meetings by which one of these people was at in which the president

quote, was not strong physically or mentally appearing weak, frail unsteady, very tentative, talking at whispers at times, closed his eyes a lot. there has been a marked deterioration in recent months somehow it is up to journalists. it is up to democrats. it is up to the bidens to let us find out what occurred here and is it just something that's passing or is it something endemic? carl bernstein thanking governor scott walker. >> thank you. david nationalistic round up next, more on the hard numbers, new pulling out her aunt and joins us, break it down with bureij that i moving forward with node positive breast cancer, my fear of recurrence could have held me back, but i'm staying focused and doing more to prevent recurrence for his neo is specifically for hr positive her2 negative note positive early breast cancer with a high chance of returning as

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senior data reporter, harry and ten. so what are the polls say about this notion? but vd by the president's defenders that his age was also considered an issue four years ago if. you look at the polling now compared to it was pre-debate and compare it to it was four years ago. it's just not even on the same planet anderson, if you ask voters now, does biden have the mental fitness in factory president, those numbers are incredibly low. the percentage who say he does not have the mental fitness, look at this 72%, eight does not have the mental fitness what it'd be present right now. that's up from 65% pre-debate. but compare that to four years ago, the percentage of voters who said that biden was too old, it was just 36%. that's half the level that we're looking at right now. these numbers are not anywhere close to being the same four years ago, voters for the most part, thought joe biden was with it. he could handle the job is present. you look at those numbers now, the fact is, voters do not even see them on the same planet. they don't think biden's with it. they do not believe he has the mental fitness to be president. and i

have to be honest with you, i don't know how he wins with the numbers that we see right now, there is no precedent for the numbers that we're seeing right now for someone running for president, letting alone getting a nomination. these are the types of numbers when you combine them with some of the numbers that we're seeing post-debate that show him trailing donald trump. these are the types of numbers that could end a campaign if he can't turn them around, there is some comparison being made between biden's debate performance and ronald reagan's and the request is raised after reagan's first debate performance, he came back with a second better one. he came back with the second better one. but the fact is, if you look at the numbers that ronald reagan had after that first debate, the percentage of voters who said that ronald reagan was too old. look at this, who's just 27%? it was 27% age was an issue at 27%. that was after that was after the first debate hey, that wasn't before the first day. that was after the first debate. and i average two poles there. so it's not like we're just looking at one number back in at four. we're looking at two poles average them together is 27% who said that ronald reagan was 12. now that number

for joe biden who says that he doesn't have the mental fitness to be president is well more than double its 72% ronald reagan was able to recover that second debate because voters were willing to give him the benefit of doubt. the fact as voters might have been willing to give joe biden the benefit of the doubt going in the first debate. but afterwards, i don't see it. all right. harry, enter. thanks very much back with me now, david axelrod, geoff duncan, ashley etienne i mean, david, you look at those numbers, those are very alarming certainly for democrats, for independence who are looking for a candidate yeah, there's, there's no question about it. anderson as a sudden, the last block he was they were looking forward to this debate to restart this campaign, set aside these issues about his fitness and they've been exacerbated. and remember, you mentioned ronald reagan. ronald reagan? had a prodigious lead at the time of that first debate. he was a popular president. people were

feeling positively about the country. none of those things exist, right now. so this is a big gaping wound and the president listened one of the things that disturbed me once i was on the other night with mitch landrieu, my good friend, mitch landrieu, who has coming out shortly and who i have deep respect okay. so maybe he's listening and he said what the first lady said, which is we're not going to allow 90 bad minutes, to erase 3.5 years of great work. that's not really what elections are about. they're not about the last four years. there are about the next four years. and what the president lost in that debate wasn't just the ability to erase a concerns, but also the ability to draw a sharp contrast with donald trump about what the what america would look like under each of their presidencies. and that was a big missed opportunity. this isn't about the last four years. i think the presence done a great job in many, many ways, and he should be proud of that. that's not the question

on the table. the question is, is he up for the next four? and that question was made much more significant? with that debate performance actually just, i mean, there's been now a lot of discussion about would any kind of if the president decided not to continue, what would even be possible is it even possible for two attended, not have president biden beat the candidate well, i mean, you know, in hindsight, it was actually quite genius to have this debate in june because there's still a lot of time left on the clock for the president to prove himself but i also think that we have this saying in politics said, every crises creates an opportunity. >> and i think this is an opportunity for the party to do what it's probably been meeting and secretly wanting to do, which is to not and pull any punches on this issue anymore, to not make apologies anymore. and to actually start

to activate all of our assets. that's the governor's that's the the the other elected officials. that's the vice president in particular, to start activating those folks to sort of wrap it, wrap them around the president, to actually get them out into the country to make this argument about the principles that are on the line. the stakes that are on the line and start to appeal to a greater greater swath of the voters and the american public. so that's sort of how i see this is like there's still some time left. for the president, but also it really gets us in a position in a posture where we're activating our assets much earlier than we ever have in any presidential campaign. i like others have done maybe four presidential campaigns and it's usually not until two or three weeks out where we start to activate people like former president obama. but now is the time and i think that's what the party is now. i'll sober about and is going to start to take those steps and that's very encouraging, jeff. your republican who was endorsed the president biden but you know

about campaigning. i mean getting all the surrogates and the world out there. does that work? if people have a fundamental belief that the candidate is, i mean, according to to those poll numbers, a large majority of people polled don't believe he's up to the job there's no other way to describe this in a perfect storm. if you're a republican that wants someone other than donald trump right between the debate performance, the supreme court all of the technical details that continue to fall in donald trump's favor. this is a perfect storm and i worry about the next four years of donald trump wins it as a card carrying republican, i don't know who the bench is. i don't know who the donors are in the democratic party. i'm just hoping and praying they get it right i'm just loaning myself into this for one vote so that i can get my party back, take the next four years to rebuild a gop to 0.0, something that i'm proud to hand off to my kids, something that i'm proud to tell the rest of the world that we're able to gravitate towards civility in honore bipartisanship on so many important issues. that's the

only reason why i'm here and i'm confused i'm struggling to figure out what's best step. i just hope the democrats get it right going forward. >> david i mean, essentially now is the stands for those who are rallying around. the president. look, it's a binary choice and this is what it is. and like it or not, you got to make a choice or stay home, or vote for third-party again, it does, but this is a binary choice. and if you really believe americans at risk you're just going to have to accept your doubts about the president that's certainly that's certainly is the argument the question is, will it be effective in as i said before he started off behind before this debate and this is going to make it that much harder to close the gap. >> i think people are going to be looking closely at polls in the next week to see if there's evidence of erosion. there was a poll and new hampshire today that showed him two points behind donald trump.

he won the state by eight last time, he was up ten and a pole in the same state, the same hole in december. those kinds of things are going to be looked at closely like doctors look at blood tests and mris. and the next week to try and figure out where there's things out. but let me just say this. you asked is it possible to swap out candidates? this is entirely in the present tense hands. and what he has to think about is what's best for himself and the country. i think he's proven himself to be a great patriot. all his career is dedicated themselves to this country. and he has to ask himself the question do i think i can win this? might someone else have a better chance and given the stakes? should i make a move here? and i hope he's getting good information and good guidance, but only he can make this decision. and if he decides to move forward, yes, i think a lot of democrats will rally behind him because the stakes are so large, that extra jeff

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cost and coverage before talking to your health care professional about we go i'm sara marie and washington and this is cnn we're talking tonight about new reporting and prison biden's cognitive ups and downs by carl bernstein and all the political dramas since his debate performance last week joining us now is mitch landrieu national co-chair for the biden-harris campaign and former new orleans may or may are landrieu good to have you owe some david axelrod was on the program just some few moments ago. >> he referenced something you said last week after the debate that basically we're not going to let 90 bad minutes or race three-and-a-half years of great work. axelrod said, it isn't just about the last four years. the question is, is the up for the next four? izzy? >> well, first of all, let me say this. i thought the president's statement tonight was very strong it was the right statement as has been the case with joe biden. and he reiterated why he ran for office, which was to save democracy. he reminded us that

president trump tried to append the peaceful transition of power and that he was standing between an archae and democracy. and he was going to continue to do that i've heard david made that argument a number of different times. of course. how well you doing debate doesn't really relate to how well you run a presidency. so just to answer my friend, but that is that is the question, good friend. sorry. good good. >> we've had this, but let me say that we've had this argument many times. let's put aside the fact that joe biden created 15.5 million jobs and donald trump lost 2.5 or that we have the lowest unemployment rate, or that he passed for the biggest pieces of legislation. i don't know why people would want us to ignore that. the president, president biden actually was in office and did it an incredible job. but if you want to talk about the future, i think the president laid out what the future will look like if this radical supreme court decision is allowed to stand in donald trump is allowed to sit in the presidency again, democracy is at stake. so the thing that joe biden is going to do in the next four years is protect our

democracy that's a critically important thing because this supreme court, donald trump how supreme court has now eviscerated a woman's right to choose. it is limited people's right to vote. it is now allow the president to stand above the law. and joe biden is going to stand in the middle of that. he get all the better and stronger economy i get also that people can continue to work hard. i get to keep dismissing because 72% of voters biden lifestyle. but 72% of voters said biden lacks the mental health for the presidency after the debate that's up from 65% before the debate, and 36% in june of 20 20, that's obviously, i would think a huge concern for you and dissent i'll make there's no question that it's a huge concern, but president biden, when it gets knocked down, gets up again and a lot of people in america think donald trump is a threat to democracy. joe biden is the only person that's ever beat donald trump. and so we have a binary choice you can elect joe biden, who's a good guy, then understands honestly, decency dignity, who actually gets stuff done, who fights for the american people, or you can be for donald trump, who you

know, is like a walking crime syndicate. i mean, i understand that you want to talk about joe biden's debate performance, but you now know because your network broadcasts as to when donald trump was talking, if his lips for moving, he was wine and when he wasn't lying, he was actually doubling down on election denial. he was talking about the insurrection not being a bad thing, and he was talking about using his power to hurt people. the american people have to make a choice and the supreme court today, donald trump's supreme court has made it clear that the only thing that's going to stop donald trump for eviscerating democracy is voting and i guess i totally get that. i understand the binary choice argument and that's clearly what it's going to have to come down to unless the president changes his mind about running, it's going to be a binary choice. obviously, there's third-party candidates, but anybody who wants to decide who's actually going to be the president has a binary choice. i guess the question is, are so many people just be turned off by that? and a lot of people just vote and by staying on the couch and

that will lead to a win by the former pretty well. the american people have to make a choice. you know, it's, i find that really curious that nobody's calling for donald trump to step off the ballot to save democracy, given the fact that he's a convicted felon, 34 times and has a number of different judgments against steaming. 26 for that because situation. well, there you go. then they're going to have a choice to make. the president of the united states, joe biden has conducted himself well. he's working hard, he's going to be an equally good president and his second term as he is in his first, and the people of america have a real clear choice to me and they're going to have to make an i believe joe joe biden, the state he had an in-between donald trump in the evisceration of democracy, which is why he ran in the first place do you expect to see president? i mean, look, prison biden came out tonight reading off a teleprompter clearly he was on-point and it was as good an appearance as you could possibly have do you think that is what we are going to be seeing more of less off

the cuff remarks. i mean, more sort of organized appearances well i want to make two points. one, anderson, you interviewed the president yourself for 45 minutes. he didn't have any notes. nobody was telling him what he did great conversation, cleavable interview that you did. i correct that you yourself, who's a credible i understand. i'm just saying you as a credible journalists can in an objective way say that, you know, from personal experience that joe biden is fine. now, joe biden left the debate and went to north carolina and you saw him do an incredible job. and of course tonight he did as well. so i can you can continue to expect joe biden as you have seen him in the last month, standing on the shores of normandy with world leaders, traveling back and forth with world leaders coming to the united states campaigning and all the battleground states you will see him out there doing that. and i'm sure that he's gonna be available as he has been and he'll continue to make the case to the american people. i will say i was in my interview was i think in november or

december and it was a very intimate, personal interview and i thought he was extraordinary in his ability to talk about things that no president has ever talked about, about the loss of family members and about grief but again, the debate performance obviously has raised questions which and that was many months ago. so i think the questions are totally valid and certainly, you clearly this is not the debate performance you guys want it anderson, let me be very clear about this. the president did it did not do a good job the other night during the debate, he actually acknowledged that himself. he talked about that the next day. nobody is defending that performance. it was a bad performance. we've seen this many times. i heard you guys talking i can about the obama, the reagan, and everybody wants to say that it's different, but a debate performance does not a great president make and the president has four years of receipts. he has got a great team of people that have been with him from the beginning. one of the things that was mentioned during the bait that

donald trump tried to put lipstick on a pig was affected 40 of his 44 cabinet members have now said they would not vote for him and are asking us not to vote for him, that his vice president who was in the midst of that insurrection, whose life was almost lost, also said, i'm not going to vote for him. >> that's what that is certainly true. mitch landrieu. i appreciate your time as always. thank you. up next, former trump senior strategist, steve bannon, reports to federal prison most people call lee filter when their gutters are clogged and they noticed one of the many issues that can bring well, sometimes it's smell of mildew and water has seeped into the interior walls or maybe they've spotted mold in the attic. >> but most often it's the more obvious signs of damage, like rotten soffit facial for water pooling near their foundation. you can get ahead with costly damage by protecting your homes gunners today, we're in your neighborhood and ready to help schedule your free gutter inspection today, called a33 lee filter or visit leaf filtered com you push it, you try to slide it. you even tried

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