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bertrand at the pentagon. and this is cnn to overturn his conviction in the new york hush after the supreme court's ruling on presidential immunity plus the biden campaign scrambling to find a way to move past the president's shocking debate performance and an air travel nightmare. dozens injured a severe turbulence strikes a transatlantic flight. wear your seat belts, people, and hurricane beryl, a powerful category five storm leaving destruction across the caribbean as it approaches jamaica all right 6:00 a.m. in washington, you have that beautiful sunrise over the white house and hitting the

washington monument on this tuesday morning. gorgeous. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us we may have just lived through the week that wins donald trump the election on thursday, president biden faltered on the debate stage, sparking calls for him to be replaced as the democratic nominee. he waited for the moderators to bring up the events of the capitol on january 6, even though president biden has made what happened that day a centerpiece of his presidential campaign. then on monday, the supreme court declared that president trump has absolute immunity for his official acts as president. but he does not have immunity for unofficial acts. the immediate effect of the ruling voters will not have the opportunity to see donald trump tried and a jury render a verdict on his actions on and around january 6, we, the public may see more evidence about donald trump's actions that day but a verdict. know the decision was 6-3 along partisan leinz in the main

dissent, justice sonia sotomayor, writing this quote the relationship between the president and the people he serves, he has shifted irrevocably in every use of official power. the president is now a king above the law. orders, the navy's seal team six to assassinate a political rival. immune organizes a military coup to hold onto power immune it takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon immune immune, immune, immune let the president violate the law. let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain. let him use the official power for evil ends because if he knew that he may 1 day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like them to be. that is the majority's message today. sonia sotomayor wrote with fear for our democracy. i dissent here was president biden yesterday this nation was founded on the principle that there are no kings in america each, each of

us is equal before the law no one no one is above the law not even the president of united states today's supreme court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed for all, for all practical purposes today's decision almost certainly means that there are virtually no limits or the president can do our panels here. let's brand cnn senior reporter isaac dovere, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, cnn political commentator karen finney, and former rnc communications director doug hi welcome. all elliot williams big picture here. this has really up ended. all of the prosecutions of donald trump in a variety of arenas. and as i was thinking through what happened, as we recovering this together on this site yesterday that this really does seem like when we look back, when the history books are written, if donald trump wins in november, this is the week anyone i think it is the week that if that's

the case, certainly it was such a profound week for donald trump as a candidate and also as a former president. i also think it is a profound week for the supreme court and going back to bush versus gore, i mean, there's been significant in cases throughout american history, but, but going back to bush versus gore the two most, i guess, profound political cases we're in american history been decided on pretty strict partisan breakdowns, whether that's good or bad, i'm not weighing in on it. that's just where the supreme court is and it ought not be a surprise hi, as the anybody that this institution's public standing is failing and this is why people tend to not have a tremendous amount of faith in institutions in america. but the supreme court in particular and it's a perfectly plausible reading of this decision that the supreme court put its thumb on the scale for a candidate. now, they can argue as the chief justice has throughout his career, that, well, we were saying out of the political

process we were making taking pains to protect the presidency and not not weigh in on one side or another, but just look at the outcome. this was a stunning win for donald trump yeah. >> yeah, you know, it's interesting because it was reading part of the decision, right so yes, it means that the cases get pushed off, write it also means the supreme court had in front of it, not just a theoretical, what would gee, what would happen, but a very specific instance and justice roberts wrote essentially that the exclusive authority over the investigative prosecutorial functions of the just department officials that the president has that exclusive authority, and that he may discuss potential investigations and prosecutions with his attorney general and other justice department officials. what has donald trump told us over and over? over again, retribution that he is going to seek to use the department of justice to exact retribution. so just right in

this portion of the decision, chief justice roberts is essentially saying donald trump has the power to go ahead and exact that retribution and using the justice department well, speaking of retribution let's put up the repost that donald trump shared on his truth social platform yesterday. elisabeth lins cheney. she of course, the chair of the january 6 select committee, guilty of treason and this is of course referring to a potentially televised military tribunal. and its we've cut off the bottom of that tweet, cut off the bottom of the graphic, it says read truth. if you want, televised military tribunals what we just showed there was, less cheney's response. she says, donald, this is the type of thing that demonstrates yet again that you are not a stable adult and are not fit for office doug high as the republican at this table is

this. do you think a serious threat because there are some who are will dismiss this kind of thing he was like, well, we shouldn't take this so seriously. i'm curious what you think and to eliot's broader point also on the supreme court. i mean, there are other places where republicans, conservatives generally view the court is legitimate and taking actions that are helpful for the country. do you see this immunity decision that way? >> well, donald trump tweets and says a lot of things that we sort of get worried about and simultaneously dismisses donald being donald. but what we know is there are trump's supporters out there, not all of them, not most of them, but trump supporters out there who view these as marching orders. this is what we saw on january 6, obviously, and this is what we've seen happen in our political, lives, even before donald trump, obviously, steve scalise dealt with that personally. gabby giffords. so the level of danger that are political figures fear and feel is significant. and by the way, that's poll workers now you know, that's not just secretaries of state, but board of elections, local county,

board of elections, official everybody now, is that at a higher risk and that comes from a lot of the rhetoric that we see from donald trump. but we move unit to the political on this. and i understand the whistles and bells and the warnings that democrats are making on this. but if this is the week that is one, donald trump the presidency, than democrats, what are you going to do about it? we have a candidate who still, most americans feel is an incumbent president who's not going to be vertical and for years to be really blunt about it. and we saw that last thursday, not because joe biden had a bad night when you're 81-years-old, you have bad night. we know that the problem is this confirmed what so many americans were looking for? and that's not going away. >> yeah, isaac, that's to you. i mean, what are democrats going to do about it they are struggling with what to do about it. >> they don't know what the right path forward is here, which is the more likely scenario that we'll get them to be able to beat donald trump. that is, the priority for them. that's the priority for them because of a lot of

things here, right? because to doug's point, like this is not in 2016 when ted cruz and donald trump were the finalists, there was a private event where barack obama was asked whether which one he would fear more as the republican president. and he said that he would be more concerned about ted cruz because cruz knew what he would do. any thought trump would. now, if you look at the trump presidency, a lot of it was then figuring out what to do. all. now what you see is people associated with project 2025, others who are going to come in if there is a trump presidency and have a very efficient carrying out of the sorts of things things that sort of justice sotomayor was warning about and democrats are petrified of that. when i hear from people is that this court decision has both made. some people who were ready to throw biden over even more eager to throw him over. and also those who say like this key is our stellar safest bet. we need to

keep i've been there. i was there every democrat here are a couple of things. >> number one, this supreme court decision in part is actually starting to galvanize democrats who are saying, maybe we do need to stick with joe biden because maybe he is our best chance and so it may not be the week that donald trump won the election. it may be the week that he lost it because again, the failure, it's like a stretch a year of what i can just tell you what i'm seeing in the internals, the fear of what he specifically would do project 2025, the retribution people are very nervous about that. they already were never smelled like because here's the thing when he says things, it's not theoretical anymore. we know he actually play will make good on the things that he says he's going to do. now that we're also taking a step back, i think i'm looking at how people i mean, i think people are feeling their emotions about last week with joe biden members of congress are going to go home this over the holiday. i think when they come back, they will i'll have

a lot more information about what they've heard from their constituents and that i think will be part of the equation. but we're going to democrats must be the most galvanized party in our history at this point every answer is democrats are more enthusiastic, more galvanize and ever, if that were true, this would be the week that joe biden wins the presidency. >> and last week and the week before he would be up 25 points in the polls because you guys are so galvanized, dobbs decision, this donald trump, this donald trump, that you should be killing this and down-ballot two. and the reality is, voters are still looking at joe biden mean like, i don't think he has it anymore. all right. let's push pause on this. we're going to pick up this conversation right after this next break as team biden reaches out to hundreds of donors to try to keep his camp payne going, plus the people who didn't have seat belts went up in the air and hit the ceiling and they got hurt dozens of passengers injured by severe turbulence. >> their flight forced to make an emergency landing. again, where your seat belts, people and democratic congressmen, mike quigley, here to talk about the parties next move after the president's

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in better health and most of us end quote other democrats defending the president and pushing for a new strategy state of course has a record to run on, but he's always had trouble getting out certain words. >> so yes, some of that took place but nothing is wrong with his brand president biden needs to reassure those who were paying attention by giving more and more of the sorts of interviews and impromptu events and engagements that put him in america's living room in the first place, we do need to see more unscripted and off the record moments my pounds back is this is this the answer more because i feel like people are pushing this more. joe biden, more joe biden that we've been hearing it over and over again. it wouldn't put them out for the super bowl interview, like every single appearance seems to be a big risk now. >> and that's the way the staff of the white house has approached this for years, which arguably it's part of what happened here in itself, just having him be rusty. but

you could not have will not be used to be said yes. to but you could not have someone who is a closer ally to joe biden, then chris coons, that he is saying this publicly, that we need more is a real sign to the biden team that they have to do something big here to change the way the people are perceiving him. and the question that they are facing is a realistic one of how much as joe biden up to. but in fairness, a lot of us have been saying for several years now let's do more. >> let joe biden, be joe biden less of the triangle. remember? for the facts and figures and just letting him bmi he did one of the moments at the debate that i thought was very powerful was when he was talking about hunter, right? because that broke through because that was joe biden being authentic. joe biden not trying to remember whatever talking points they told her or facts and figures. i think that's what chris coons just talking about is more have put him let him be in those situations that we saw in 2020, even though they were limited

because of covid, where he was able to just connect and talk with voters more directly about what's going on in there. >> nobody has ever supported joe biden and big way because he gave a great speech. that's not who is they've supported him because he connects with people. and you see those moments. i've been there up close to see them. a lot of people have seen them on video, whatever it may be, and it is so much different from what you get out of most politicians. yes. but it is also so much different from what we have seen it out of joe biden as president for almost the entire purchase. what makes the argument that we saw just there. he while he's in better health than most, i guess it was most people corinne, at one point, someone's going pretty john p or the white house press secretary had said, you're 40 is the you are at is the new 40 which okay. fine. he's he's a spry at 81-year-old. are two-year-old, but the simple fact, it's just implausible level, it just ronny jackson or any other trump doctor says, donald trump is in better health and most of us we laugh at it. yeah, reality is, this

is also laughable and what we've seen is if we go back over the past 56 years, how many times do we see a let's say, eric swale. well, come on tv and say, what is paul ryan or when is mike johnson or kevin mccarthy went are you going to stand up and say the truth about trump? no. elected democrat, not one. they're about 200 250 or so on capitol hill has said the obvious truth that most of them are saying behind closed doors. this is a very real problem and they have very real concerns about whether or not he can stand for office for another four years. everybody is getting one of them will say that what will they stand up and say? well, i think you you lose credibility when you start trying to make arguments that a 40-year-old is spry as an 80-year-old erin was saying doubled down on the things that the individual is good at getting to the dfw hall or else can guess and by the way, okay. he's av1, but the amount of experience that he has had is part of the reason he was able to get a i partisan infrastructure de i have long been in the camp that says, you're not going to make ad seem younger, but you can talk

about what the experience, the expertise, what does that mean? what is, why is that valuable the issue too, is that the guy that got the infrastructure bill done was three years younger and it seems markedly different than he is now. >> yeah, one of the the things that was a real problem for biden in the debate was the split-screen of him vs trump and his facial expressions and so forth. he looked lost and confused. the split screen of joe biden compared to four years ago. and certainly his debate against paul ryan, these are different people and you're going to have more bad days than good days when you're 81. that's just a reality all right. >> come on up next here. hurricane beryl crushing the caribbean and now heading toward jamaica plus, a member of congress gets a crash course in airport security will bring you that in the morning roundup dr. sanjay gupta report, the last alzheimer's patient sunday at eight on cna folks. >> chris kuhnian here with lead

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through the day yesterday, we had some of that storm surge fronting if i can get to the next video there, but we're going to continue to find beryl at this as this category five storm, at least for the next day or so. and then it will start to weaken as we go through the day. and then we start to become still be a major the storm as it gets towards jamaica, we're looking at some of these wins in jamaica, arriving as we go into wednesday, we'll find some tropical storm-force and hurricane-force winds as we go into wednesday, looking at some four to eight inches of rain and some three to five feet of storm surge. so something that we'll have to continue to watch and we'll be continuing to get updates from national hurricane center as we go through the morning, casey. >> all right. at least a rafah for us at lisa. thank you very much for that. i come up next here. what the supreme court's immunity ruling means for donald trump's other criminal trials plus steve bannon's last words before entering prison. that's ahead and your morning roundup et me introduce you to

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welcome back. >> what now with the supreme court's ruling that presidents are broadly immune from prosecution for official acts taken while in office big questions are lingering about what exactly it means for donald trump's remaining three criminal cases and his conviction already trump has moved to overturn his manhattan conviction, citing the new immunity decision. trump's lawyer in the case telling cnn last night that the judge should not only push back his sentencing, but also consider this what we have in new york is a situation where a substantial number of official acts of the presidency, things that we believe are official acts were used as evidence to support the charges in that new york trial we believe that that corrupts that trial. >> that indicates that that jury verdict needs to be overturned. and at the very least we deserve a new trial where those immune acts will not come into evidence at the panels. back, elliott, i mean, yeah, i have to say it does seem to make a certain degree of sense that you might have to change things in new york based

on this rule. i think more than a certain degree of sense. >> now, what's talking about with the supreme court decided what they'd said was that evidence of official acts cannot even be used to help support prosecuting someone for unofficial acts of the presidency. so case in point, let's use donald trump's new york trial. obviously it's personal conduct. private behavior slipping with porn stars, cooking the books of your corporation, whatever else, right however, it relied on the testimony of hope hicks, a former white house aide, and other evidence that is tied to his time in the white house. now, trump's team can plausibly claim the some of these were official acts that can't even be used as evidenced. now to be clear, that provision in the opinion was one of the most remarkable few paragraphs in supreme court history, even justice amy coney barrett, no liberal she wrote an opinion part, she descent the parts, yes. yes, she does not agree with saying that it's a little bit bizarre that you're saying that even evidence of official acts

can't be used to support unofficial acts. so it's no surprise we talked to better on air yesterday at trump's team would move to upend the new york case. now this whole idea of calling a new trial is sort of silly. i think what they can just do is let the appeal play out and have them raise that issue on appeal, but yes, it's going to change some aspect of the new york trial. >> yeah. okay. so big picture. doug. hi, i want to remind everyone of what as we grapple with the reality that the january 6 cases unlikely to move forward as well. of what republicans in the senate did when they were confronted with having to deal with president trump's conduct around january 6. he was then the president of the united states. and this is what mitch mcconnell had to say on the floor as he was basically explaining why he ultimately was going to vote to acquit the president in the second impeachment trial. let's watch that we have a criminal justice system in this country we have civil litigation and former

president's are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> so that was actually later, i was february. yeah he said, look, we have a criminal justice system. do we anymore for what he's talking about? well, let me first say full disclosure. >> i worked for senator richard burr, who voted to convict which was the right vote at the time, i think i think history will prove that to be correct as well. what the majority leader said, then majority leader said then made sense at the time, clearly facts have changed and what we need to see is do republicans change with that, my guess is they'll bend in the donald trump direction because that's what always happens. and as we see with the current situation with joe biden, who party officials don't like to cross the sitting president or the presumptive nominee. they fall in line, regardless of what that may mean, down the line, four policy or principle. now this it's but to your question about how do we have a justice system? >> this may change the legal

case, but it does not change the fact of what we all saw on january 6 and how people may feel about that, regardless of what ends up happening in the cases. it doesn't change the fact we saw him on the ellipse. we saw what the president said, we saw what happened to our capital. it was not just some tours it was not just police sort of assuring people. and so those facts actually don't change and they still are evidence and facts that are being used against donald trump very effectively in this election. but you also see polling that shows that a conviction would matter to the part is going to make two both of your points. you know, who can fix all of this with the stroke of a pen? the man we just saw, mitch mcconnell and in a perfect world which we live in a sadly imperfect world, i hate to say that, but congress could fix all of this. congress can override a supreme court decision by simply legislating around it. congress can make whatever tweaks to the criminal justice system some that they want. again, the problem is that congress is hopelessly gridlock, right now, and it's sort of in a fantasy

world like in the textbooks. yes, that's what would happen. but mcconnell, all of those idealistic visions he laid out there congress can do and could make happen. and the earliest are what tell you it's point, congress has ceded power. executive branch, regardless of who the president or the congress is. basically since the end of world war ii. so eisenhower, kennedy, johnson, nixon, all of them got more and more power which impact where we are today as process and it's not sexy but that's reality. >> so you mentioned richard nixon and i'm glad you did because i just want to flash back to what nixon said in 1977. i mean, if you're richard nixon wouldn't you want your presidency back? let's watch to see what he said. >> well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal so he said, what the president does it that means it's not illegal. >> so here was the former nixon white house counsel, john dean yesterday talking about what would have happened to nixon under the rules that the supreme court just laid out yesterday i think that nixon would have survived. >> i think he would have walked

under this ruling. well, there are no more crimes for precedence in official conduct pretty remarkable state of affairs, isaac. yeah, like this and it's not theoretical. this ruling was written because of a case of donald trump brought it's it was written. the decision with clearly donald trump in mind and donald trump is seeking the presidency again, he will act based on this ruling and people around him will act based on this ruling. this is part of the choice that is in front of americans in the fall and it is true that if the the democrats go forward with joe biden, a president who sometimes it seems people as at least making people feel like he doesn't know what he's doing he is now up against the president who seems to have been empowered to do whatever he wants to do. i'm not sure it's the stuff of the next lin-manuel miranda musical that is what this election is coming down to. among other things.

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overhead bins one passenger describing that scary moment from one moment to the next, the plane destabilized and went into a guy's. >> the people who didn't have seat belts went up in the air at the ceiling and they got hurt the pilot forced to make an emergency landing in brazil congresswoman victoria spartz facing a weapons violation charge for carrying a gun into dulles airport the indiana republicans says she forgot about an empty handgun that she had tossed in her suitcase that is a misdemeanor in virginia all right. >> we sister of embattled senator bob menendez testifying in his federal bribery and corruption trial, describing hidden cash as quote a cuban thing. and quote, she says their father did it to prosecutors, found nearly half a million and gold bars in the democratic senators home hunter biden taking five x news and its parent company to court accusing hit them of smearing

him and unlawfully using pictures of him without permission in a mini series, fox news spokesperson calls the lawsuit meritless and politically motivated steve bannon reporting to federal prison in connecticut to serve a four-month sentence for contempt of congress. congress donald trump's former white house strategist, insisting he's proud to be incarcerated, even describing himself as a martyr i'm a political prisoner i'm a political prisoner of baer i'm a political rosen. i'm a political prisoner joe biden establish okay. >> there was a lot there, guys want or we want to do guns in the airport, the seat belts on the planes take your pick tell me doug, but the gun in the airport's actually helps her politically. i think. >> yeah. if you remember, i thank her folks love that, but remember madison cloth worn you know, from from previous congresses has gotten a lot of controversies about a lot of things one of the things they decided to do is, hey, let's

bring a gun to an airport and that arrest will help me in my district. now, he's still lost his primary, but he didn't lose the trump endorsement. yeah. and i think that that tells us a little bit, i'm still mad. i did throwing well, i'm just mad that they tossed this five ounce the hand sanitizer from my bag. she gets you habba handgun in her house so say the number of times i've had to walk all the way around and go back through security because i accidentally left the water in my water bottle and they're like consisting no, actually, you just have to throw that away your p.sit anyway. >> firearm safety training, kids, all right. >> let's go now to this. the biden campaign we've been talking about are all morning on defense pushing back on calls from the president's own party to remove him from the race in 2024, cnn has learned that biden's team is now looking to overhaul their strategy to ease voter apprehension over concerns about biden's fitness for office because listen to this. this is what legendary journalist carl bernstein told cnn that his sources are telling him about the president these people who have supported

him loved him campaign for him, see him often, say that didn't last six months, particularly there has been a marked incidents of cognitive decline and physical infirmity all right. joining me now is democratic congressman mike quigley of illinois, congressman. thank you so much for being with us this morning. i want to start there with what we saw on the debate stage. you heard what carl bernstein reported there on cnn's airwaves. i think my question to you you've previously served at for quite some time on the house intelligence committee. what do you think our adversaries saw on stage in president biden last week. and does that concern you? >> look the morning after when i looked at this, i said to myself, well, he had a really, really bad night and will move forward obviously, we have to be honest with ourselves and recognize that we have to take the voters where they are and

there's the concern about this situation given where we are in the real tragedy besides that is the american people didn't get to see the contrast that existed between two dramatically different people act in as president for four years sir, i want to play for you an ad that is now running in pennsylvania yeah. >> which was one of the critical senate races that is going to decide control of that chamber. and this is dave mccormack, the republican candidate, going after bob casey, the sitting democratic senator. watch this. we'll talk about it everyone. >> we have joe biden make the case that he's not an elderly well-meaning gentlemen who the campaign no question. >> he's prepared to do this job today and would be reelected. i have a lot of confidence. i have a lot of confidence in his leadership. no question. he's prepared to

do this job today is present. >> biden's status as the person at the top of the ticket endangering democratic copes of keeping or regaining control of congress pending on the respective chamber let me put it in this perspective. if i were to talk to the president of today, i would advise him that the decision he asked to make now is clearly only his and as much as i greatly respect him and appreciate the extraordinary job i think his four years are one of the great presidencies of our of our lifetime. but i think he has to be honest with himself. this decision he's going to have to make he clearly has to understand i think what you're getting to hear is that his decision not only impacts who's going to serve in the white house house the next four years but who's going to serve in the senate? who's going to serve in the house, and it will have implications for decades

to come it sounds like you're actually open to the idea that it might be the right decision for him to step aside i think what i'm stressing is it has to be his decision that we have to be honest with ourselves that it wasn't just a horrible night, but i won't go beyond that out of my respect. understanding president joe biden, and very proud person who has served this extraordinarily well for 50 years. but it's his decision. i just want him to appreciate at this time just how much an impacts, not just his race but all the other races coming in november. >> if you think do you think that if the polling starts to show it's clear democrats will not gain control of the house because of the standing of the president that the dam a break and he may face public pressure from people to step aside oh, it's clear that what took place last week isn't doesn't seem to influence his decision.

i don't know what what will i don't know if this polling is it probably takes what, 345 up to a week to get decent polling so i assess will probably get that starting today or tomorrow. the holiday will make polling more difficult. what i do think that's probably the only thing out there right now that could change his mind or influence that critical decision that again, only he can make congressman, let me ask you, you were criminal defense attorney as well for many years, the supreme court just declared that presidents are immune from prosecution for their official acts they are not four unofficial acts. >> what went through your mind when you saw that that ruling was coming down? and what do you think the implications are yeah. >> as a criminal defense attorney, i wish my clients who had had that kind of protection never lose a case i don't know if the majority when they wrote this understand just how tough

it is, how tough it would be. two prosecute someone who has that kind of protections. i think the second thing that struck me was when lincoln said that if you want to analyze the constitution, you've got to put the declaration of independence next to it. the declaration of independence begins with grievances against the king. it's hard to imagine the founding fathers would have given the chief executive this kind of power, this kind of immunity when they had just thrown off a tyrant the last thing they wanted to do was to give an executive this kind of power especially at this time congressman, i know one thing that you wanted to come on to talk about today as the epidemic of gun violence across america. >> and i know it particularly impacts major city in your state, chicago, where of course we're going to see the democratic national convention, but we've heard recently from the surgeon general on this matter at what are you seeing in your state and what are you

wanting to do about it right now? >> look, i think the surgeon general's remarks are long overdue. his report. it gives us critical opportunities to do the research necessary at the trauma that takes place throughout america. this statistics are horrified now 100,000,100 americans are dying a day from gun violence that we hear of the mass shootings. but an ongoing basis, this crisis continues. so it's an extraordinary first step. it's just unfortunate that the gun issues have become so partisan we didn't use to be her on this and again, the majority of americans do favor universal background checks, a band on assault weapons. this all flies in the face. so yet another horrific supreme court decision changing a trump era, rule about bump stocks. so it's a difficult time. it's a welcome

decision by the surgeon general. i think it'll give this vital information to influence our policy decisions. >> all right. congressmen mike quigley, i'm very grateful for your time this morning. thank you very much for being with us thank you all right. let's talk more about this with our panel more than a few democrats believe it is time for joe biden to step aside. but as you heard, the congressmen very carefully tried to thread there. no one has been willing to say it it out loud. one of the former top strategist for president clinton public gala, now a commentator here at cnn, explained it in fairly evocative terms. watch the first democratic politician at called on biden to step down. it's going to end their career right? they may be right in the eyes of a lot of democrats. but if you're the first one through the door, you're gonna get shot. and i think they all know that i mean that's every why won't paul ryan speak out conversation that we had 56 years ago? that's every single one but i will say i think

there's another piece to this though in this moment where people do feel he has earned the right that take i would say a bit. >> it's moved out of holiday week a week. again, let's see with the data, let's hear what let's see what we're hearing from the field. and then decide if it's time to reassess the other dynamic going on here. i don't agree with paul and actually not the first one. the first one, ryan, i'm sorry my 25-years-old, but yeah, the first probably 1020 through the door, not just the first one but i would say that that was my quigley going further than men else go that way. >> and he. is not someone that, you know spend time on the hill with a lot of reporters that they go we go and chase to find a quote, knocking the democratic party. i think comments like that. sheldon whitehouse, center for rhode island, also, not really much of a beat on the democrats guy

who yesterday told reporters in rhode island that he wants a full accounting of the president's health. these are real warning signals and look if the polling comes back and it says nothing changed, whoever, then that will be a sign to the biden campaign that they can keep going for there. yeah. so this is what white house said, quote, i think people want to make sure that this is a pain that's ready to go in win. that the president and he continues, we can get the next part of that up on the screen apparently it's stuck. that's okay. basically, you get the idea, right? like he's saying, look, if you can't win, we can't run with him. >> no, absolutely. i think de your point, karen, about in quit congressman quickly touched on this a little bit bad. let's wait and see what the polling says. it's easy to forget that we're about 97 hours from the debate at this point. that's right. and a lot of the dust hasn't settled now, certainly everybody saw the images but he knows the chatter and so on, but no one has really seen what the true impact of it has been. it'll be really interesting to see how

the mike quigley is and sheldon whitehouse is change their tone if, if if the polling dips yeah, where where? >> nine he seven hours from the debate, it is insane in a way to think we could change the, who, the president is and who the nominee is based on 190 minute performance. but we are 120 he eight days from the election. if this is going to happen, if there's going to be changed, it would be crazy and it was a process that would need to get underway. yeah. well, it also is going to take two an alternative that democrats can coalesce around. i was really interested to listen to steve bashir. he is the governor of kentucky, which is of course, excuse me, andy beshear. it's red state but he the way he talks about this was honestly it kinda left the door farther open than some of the other democrats. i think i've heard talk about this listen to it. you can decide on a debate performance was rough i was a very bad night for the president but he is still the candidate only he can make decisions about his future

candidacy. and so as long as he continues to be in the race, i support them. that's flattering. when people mention your name and something like that. but i think it's a reflection of all the good things going on in kentucky we should remember that also, what's rough isn't about a supreme court decision or joe biden's mental acuity or so forth. it's the people watching the show, right now when they turn off their tv, they're going to drive to work and they're going to stop and get a biscuit or a doughnut coffee. and i can be upset with what a cost. and if they didn't do that, they're going to go to a grocery store? yes. they're going to go to grocery store. people's lives are rough right now because they're paying for more and they're not having this larger watch. the smaller washington conversation. they're focused on what's going on in their lives and they're not happy with the direction of the country big problem for joe biden. >> but anything that goes to this point that the conversation that is happening in the country maybe very different than the conversation we've been having since last thursday. here in washington. and we ought to hear what people have to say. yeah. i mean, it's and that's what, of course we're going to wait