conference. yeah. appreciate that in an interview, we appreciate that. yeah. but there is a period of time here where the public is trying to understand what happened and the president could help to answer that by engaging with us in an unscripted way right now. so let me just say a couple of things. there's a couple of things that you said that i do want to address number one, hours. i don't know. less than an hour after the debate. he went and he engaged directly with the american people, right? he went to a watch party he was in a room with hundreds of supporters who watched the debate. and when he walked in, the cheered them on and he did a photo line with them for some time some of your colleagues had an opportunity to speak to these supporters. he did that that was something that he was able to that he was able to do. right after. and then we stopped at a waffle house as some of you all know, and spoke to a full a packed the packed

restaurant. he spent some time there. then the next day, you went to north carolina, spoken front of hundreds of supporters there who said, we support yu-gi-oh, we love you, joe and so he was able to do that in those two-and-a-half days or so after the debate, he went to four states and engage with supporters, engaged with american people, everyday people. her directly from them let's not forget when we landed in north carolina, i think it was like 2:00 a.m. in the morning. he engaged with supporters there as well. so the president has been out there. he's been listening to supporters at something that he loves to do, not just support is but american people out there everyday people who appreciate what he does, who wants to hear? for more from him as you just stayed in and got the opportunity to do just that i think it matters that he's going to do an interview on friday. i think it's matters that he's going to go to wisconsin and do that, right? engage with everyday

people. we're going to continue or nothing has changed in that regard we're going to continue to be out there. he's going to be in pennsylvania as well this weekend as i just one more, but we're reporting that hunter biden has been in some meetings with senior advisers. why is the president's son involved so a couple of things yes, i do. i saw that reporting as i was coming out, so a couple of things there. look, the president, as you know, is very close to his family. this is a holiday week, fourth of july. he spent time with his family as you all know, and reported at camp david hunter came back with him and walked with him into into into that that meeting, that prep that speech prep and he ended up spending time with his dad and his family. that night. that is basically what happened. it is the week where there's going to be more family members who are going to come to the white house. i'm sure you'll see some of them on fourth of july many more are expected to be here you get away house the question though, is he participating in

meetings with senior advisers? >> what i can say is that he came back with his dad from camp david. he walked him into the speech prep and he was in the room that i can tell you he was in the room anything else coming out of that reporting? i can't speak to but i can say that he's closer his family, which is not unusual. they were together at camp david. they came back together. you're going to see a lot more family this week i wanna go back to that question. pelosi raised earlier today. sure. pelosi, ask is pelosi said it's a legitimate question to ask if this is an episode or is this is a condition? which one is it? >> well, what i can tell you is that he had a cold and a bad night. i would not see this as an episode i would see this as what it was and what we believe to be, which is it was a bad night and he did on top of that, he had a cold and that is

the reality of the situation that is a reality what happened that night you certainly seem to reporting out here that this is not just a standalone instance that other people are saying that this is happened before we're what do you see these as legitimate questions? >> and also, are you being straight with the american people? i think i see as i see, there's a legitimate question. i do. and i have said it is a fair question to ask the president sees it as a legitimate question, and i think also the president saying, i am not a young man and that as a smooth a smooth talkers, i used to be. i don't walk as easily as i used to be. i used to i don't debate as well as i used to. i mean, the president is emitting and saying, and this is not the first time right? he's talked about his age. he joked about his age. many times before you heard that directly for a we are acknowledging what would people were seeing? but we do believe this was a in this

instance. it was a bad night disabled, not one more. >> no. no. let me finish with your colleague, please. i know. but shouting out, come on, you know better, you know better. come on. just one final question immediately after that, we started to hear of the concern from democrats on hello, calling it just flat out a disaster why did the president immediately personally reached out to leaders on capitol hill, like leader jeffries and leader schumer look, i can say this right after the debate. we were on a two-and-a-half days swing four states. the president was out there hearing directly from the american people, engaging directly on the european-americ an people. obviously, he respects the democratic leadership is leadership there that has helped him deliver for the american people and unprecedented record on behalf of americans across the country. so we appreciate them for obviously but he was out there. he was out there directly with supportive sores engaging with then whether it was a tarmac, whether it was at a rally, whether it was at a watch party or fundraiser. and

i think that's important to note too. and he was hearing from them but at the same time, those leaders, democratic leadership, was hearing from members of a senior high levels, senior members of his team so that like we were silent and like we were quiet, sound like him were not engaging with them. we were and now that the president is back at the white house, he's going to have some time to talk to these democratic leadership, democratic leadership on the phone. i mentioned democratic governors. he's going to do it with leaders on the hill as well. and that's important. then he's going to go back out out into the state's obviously slowly and talk to and talk to americans there. so he's gonna, he's gonna do both, which is mentioned here and democratic governors. and healing so i'm not going to get into a private conversation. we wanted to share these meetings. i know it was getting out. there was floating out there. and i know it was and we just wanted to confirm that that we were indeed having these

conversations. but we normally, as you know, our posture is not to dive into dive into private conversations he'll have these conversations. i think there'll be important. they'll hear from him. he'll hear from them, but i also want to note that there is a regular engagement with whether it's intergovernmental affairs or the office alleged affairs, regular engagement from my colleagues here with governors, with mayors and also obviously with congressional, congressional leaders. that is something that is a regular engagement. obviously, the president himself will engage with them this we still have a cold it will be clear in your throat yes. >> i asked if he still has a coke green you'd said a couple of times now that the white house has provided thorough medical records for the president, the white house released the sixth page summary back in february. i don't think that was a full accounting necessarily and dr. o'connor, in that then we'll describe the president as pulled a healthy,

active, robust, 81-year-old male who remains fit to successfully execute the duties of the presidency. i think that is clearly not what the majority of americans are seeing and we have a new poll from cbs news that says 72% of registered voters say the president does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president. so are you saying that the majority of americans are misguided and that they just need to trust dr. conner and taken as one so a couple of things and i want to say the president is feeling better. and you saw him last night, you saw him today, but he does indeed still have a codebook i want to be very sensitive here. and i think it is important to be sensitive here. we understand how the american people are feeling. we get it, we do and i do not want to take away you from that. i'm not going to speak. i know that there was you all do to polls cnn do it did a poll i'm not going to speak to every poll. i'm just not going to do do that. i also, i'm

constraints. and in doing that, as we're heading into header, heading into an election november as you know what i will say is majority of americans also support the work that the president has doing in a sense of his agenda and what he stands for, what he's been fighting for weather is reproductive rights whether there is an economy that works for all and that is something that the president is going to continue to do. this is why we have said and i have said this multiple times from here does that's why the president acknowledges. we get it. we get what americans are feeling. that's why he's acknowledging, he's not a young man that's why he's acknowledging he's a little slower he used to be in walking and that is smooth as speaking, we get that but we also want to make sure that we point to the successes that he's his record and we want to continue to build on his unprecedented record and i'm not going to discount what the american people see or feel

what i can say is what we know from our side of things. we could speak to his record and we could speak to what the president has been able to acknowledge. and i think that's important too, and that's basically acknowledging what americans were seeing. and feeling. >> if you get it, why not release more about his medical is physical mental why and what we have released has been very comprehensive. >> it has been it has been transparent and if you compare it, right, it has. we have put that out there and and we'll continue to do so put that information out there an mj i want to be very clear. i get the question that you're asking me. but this is also a president who has had a historic administration. he has in delivering on legislation key policies. that is because with age comes wisdom and comes experience, and i think that matters as well dr. connor loves the debate i believe dr.

o'connor traveled with us too. all right. so so he have any concerns after seeing the metal fork medical one more question. sure. refrain. >> the campaigns theory of the case where the president saying and the race has been, but the president has a better rashada defeated donald trump than any other democrat. >> we have a new cnn poll that shows the vice president actually has a slightly stronger showing against donald trump than the president so how does the president explained not passing the baton to his own 59-year-old vice president are given that kind of data. so as you know, i'm construing great just speaking directly to your poll in i get it and i hear the question. i gotta be mindful. that is something for the campaign as you started saying that the what the campaign has laid out, their argument in the case that is something for them to take up, and that is something for them to answer what i can speak to is the president's record. what i can speak to, what he's been able to accomplish and the things that he's been able to do and get done is b is actually in line with majority

of americans. and i think that's important to note and again, i will say with age comes wisdom some and experience. and that's certainly it's something that the president brings we've seen some real anger expressed by donors, democratic officials sort of how you guys handle the president shielding them away from impromptu sudden, and denying until last week that there really been any age slippage. >> so i'm wondering if you guys have had a moment to reflect on that strategy. any regret over it? and if you know what you would say to folks who who think it's a hurricane. so they're not the either changes towards that strategy or what some of the personnel or you're talking about the strategy specifically about who's around the president. is that which two parts. one is kind of small concentrated group of aids. i've been present for very long time and the other is sort of systematic decisions to shield the president from the impromptu moments that we would see that we've seen in

previous administrations, whether it's press conferences or interviews, or you know, just be announced i mean, look a couple of things. there are two this year, the president has done more than 40 interviews and unscripted, right. those interviews or unscripted. he has done more than 500 gaggles, right? of course, unscripted, talking directly click to many of you. well, let, let, let me just finish and so he enjoys doing that. he enjoys engaging with all of you and we're going to continue making sure that happens i will say this. this is obviously this is a president that was a senator for 36 years. he was a vice president as you all know, i'm just repeating things that you all know for eight years. and so he has long time advisors that have been here with for a long time. i don't think that's unusual he also has

people who have who are new to, new to the administration that also advise him i've been in meetings with the president where it's been a diverse group of people. and pcs us and he he knows the reason why we're sitting in front of him is that we have something to share and he wants to hear from all of us. i've heard him say, hey, what is it that what do you what do you think? what do you think my experience has been that that that world isn't it? the open and that he does get to hear from a diverse group of people that has been my experience and but it is not unusual for some when who has been around for that long of time to have a group of people that he's been around him for some for a minute. right. and i think that makes sense. there's nothing about that is nonsensical that actually make sense. and we're going to continue to get him out in front of all of you to take your to take your questions. but at a steady, steady steady

drumbeat and i am to boston sponsors the logistic one, which is you mentioned the press conference. >> yeah, it's gonna be kind the real big boy the weight. so i believe i know you guys are hold me to it. >> it is. i believe it's a solo press conference. we're certainly have more to share with all of you as we get closer to next week. >> medically bag boy it's been over here that was asking some big board questions. >> okay what do you the presence is not the only leader entering that conference, a little bit on the back foot, emmanuel macron has had some electoral losses the uk is obviously going through a big election right now with all this leaders kinda coming in to see it a little bit diminished is how are you guys, how is that changing? >> how you're looking at the summit and what is possible

it's a good question look i think one thing as i talk about the presence record in what he's been able to do. >> right. he's been able to strengthen our worldview the way that people see us across the globe. other leaders are partners and allies. because of that experience, again, with experience brings yes, with age brings experience. and wisdom. and i think because of that, the president has been able to build a coalition. if you think about ukraine and the aggression from russia and what russia has done ukraine as they continue as ukraine take continues to fight that aggression, to fight for their freedom and democracy. the president was able to bring 50 plus countries to import ukraine to support their fight and so so look, i will say that the president is looking forward certainly to hosting the leaders of are 31 nato allies, as you know two additional, two additional countries have done. i have joined nato and that's because again of the president's leadership and next week in

washington, dc, as you know, that the historic summit is to mark the 75th anniversary of nieto's founding, so for 75 years, natal has kept us and the world safer and under the president's leadership, this president as leadership are leinz is stronger. it's, it's larger. it's more united than ever. and so i think what you're going to see is that displayed next week right here in washington, dc. and i think i would i think you all would agree that the president played a very, very, very big role in where nato is today. get jacket grains the administration strongly criticized the media clips showing the president appearing to be confused freezing at times. and you called it cheap fakes misinformation, disinformation in one case even implied that it was the product of artificial intelligence, calling it deep fakes. you have any regret over he's going out

language? not at all. not at all. and let me be clear. it was a certain part of the media thank i mean, you can speak to this better than i can. a certain part of the media which was doing this and look independent mainstream fact-checkers in the press and misinformation experts have been calling out cheap fakes. and at the end of the day, they're fakes. that's what they were targeting the president. they said the reporters, and these misinformation experts said that this president was being targeted. and what we did was echo bam. that's what we did and look will certainly continue you need to call that out? and the cheap fakes didn't come from me. i didn't i didn't coin that. i didn't come from this white house or this podium that came from the media they called the chief fix and they said, this president, president biden was being targeted on misinformation. it was purposefully being done to this president. and what we did is we echo that so i don't regret it at all it was just the facts use that sort of

approach to counter the wall street journal report for instance, that interview 45 people over several months who criticized the president's handling of himself in meetings and broad which approach i'm i'm not following talking about the president's age being a factor and how was cheap fix i don't want to criticize to relate, bring to basically cast the reporting is not true and broadly, this is one reason i ask is like the administration's response to our questions often seems to be don't believe your lying eyes the border is secure. >> afghanistan withdrawal is a success. inflation is transitory so is that going to try me? you just laid out jack. you just lay out a bunch of things. so just give me a second here first of all, i think this is a give-and-take, right? even in this briefing room, we go back and forth. i go back and forth with you, with your colleagues, everyone here. and i think we have a right to save something. we don't think is true or

something we think we want to push back on. that is a right for us to do just like you have a right to push me and say, actually our sources are reporting say this. i think it's a give-and-take. this is what makes what we do in this room almost every day. this is an exercise of democracy. this is an exercise of freedom of the press that's what we're doing here. and i think if there's some reporting that we don't believe to be true, i think it's okay if we go back and forth and say actually we don't think that reporting is true right? so i don't see anything wrong with that. that's how that is what this it is. that is what this is. this is what we actually do on a daily basis. this is how we lead the world on making sure that journalism exist and you all have the right to do your jobs. but we also have our right as press office here and that administration, if we don't believe something is true or we'd want to share our side of things thanks that we do so look on the other things

that you just listed i've talked about this president's record a lot. often here in this just hover minutes, i've been at this podium and look, mike comes to the economy. the data shows it when it comes to health care, the data shows it afghanistan. obviously, it is it is an important conversation to have and that is something that the president wanted to do and end a year award a forever war. he wanted to make sure that we stopped putting are young women and men in harm's way. and that is a difficult decision to make. it is not an easy decision to make but he's the president and commander in chief and he wanted to make sure that we got our armed troops out of harm's way and so i honor and respect are back-and-forth, and it is always an honor and privilege for me to do this job and i will continue to do that gut

michael. okay. go ahead, michael two big boy questions what first, does the printed intend to spend most of his days? >> in july on vacation in rehoboth and wilmington we certainly will have more to share on what is schedule is going to look like for the rest of the month. >> i don't have anything to share garrett, this time. i can assure you the president will be out and about talking directly to the american people. i just laid out the next couple of days. i don't have anything to share beyond beyond son well, actually beyond nato rise, you know, there's going to be the natal summit next week. so i can't don't have anything to share beyond that with the present will be out there talking directly to the american people i have to be mindful, obviously, we're in campaign season. the campaign could speak more to what what his schedule is going to look like specifically. >> the second question we just posed to the story which problem are you seeing because

we just supposed to be in the briefing. but in which many people that we've talked to describe accelerating series of episodes moments when over the course of the last several weeks, the president appeared confused or listless, or would lose the thread but conversation in private meetings in the g7 in normandy at the white house. not all the time, not not saying that that's the way he is all the time and that there's clearly moments people say that he's forceful and with it and all of that but these people suggest that what happened, what americans saw at the debate has a precursor. what do you say to them? >> so i want to be mindful in respect your reporting. i have not read it. i have not seen it. so it's hard for me he to respond to it directly. would what i can speak to more broadly is that i have have engagement with the president

pretty regularly. what i see is a strong resume hello, president, who's always willing and able to work on behalf of the american people. i do not know who these folks are that you speak of. so it's hard for me to talk about that and to and to speak to that. i can just speak to my experience and go back again on the president's record and why he's been able to deliver on behalf of the american people. so i just do want, i do want to be making just one. >> sure. sure. sure 50 million plus america saw the debate last thursday they get a very different story from you. you just described a very different sounding president obviously, other administration officials is correct and very differently than what people saw how do you reconcile those two versions of president, one who appeared the way they did to millions of people at the other who appears always to be sort of very forceful have, any of those i

mean, look, the president spoke to this. you heard me speak to this we believe and others have said this, not just me any other folks who have been on networks. and also, obviously it's talked, spoken to all of you. is it was a 90 minute debate it was a bad night. that's what we believe it to be. we're not taking away what people saw. we're just not that is want to be very clear about that we want to also make sure people understand that the president realizes. i keep saying this over and over again. he said he's not as young as used to be, and he has he has addressed this over and over and over again. but you saw him last night, right? you saw him last night. you saw him at these rally. you saw him at the wet watch parties. there's been many instances state of the union you saw him take on take on republicans by himself

and what was happening back and forth in the state of the union. there has been also many instances where are the president has really showed his strengthened in resolute that all of you have seen and commented about it i think we cannot we cannot forget that as well and we also heard from present obama, whose, who himself has said his first debate wasn't great. he talked about that. and most incumbents, their first debates aren't great so look, we're going to continue to build on the unprecedented record by continued to fight for the american people. that is our commitment. and that's what we're going to continue to do thank you. thanks, mike. okay. >> thanks. i have two questions to follow up on that. we talked about how you've spent time with the president when you're looking at the timing set with that, have you ever seen the

president kind of a bajaj likely saw on the debate stage during your time here at the white house? so we're by what you saw on the base. i mean, look, i know that he had a cold. many of you are reaching out to us, to my team and myself directly. you heard the course voice. we were able to confirm he had a cold, he was under the weather, obviously, and look we all. have bad bad night's, right or bad moments it is not it is not unusual i just said there have been incumbents most incumbents for their first debate it doesn't go well so it's not also unusual in that regard as well. so look, we're going to move forward that's what we want to do. we want to look forward. we just announced some engagement that the presence going to have we announced obviously the interview with abc injured stefano bliss. he's going to go to wisconsin. he's gotta go to pennsylvania. we're going to have a press conference next week. we want to turn the page

on this and we want to turn the page for the american people as well, because we know that they need to see him out there. he's going to continue to be out there. he has been. and we understand how important that is. and so we're going to turn the page. we're going to get out get out there across the country. americans are going going to see him for themselves. and i think that's going to be very important as well. >> had a chance to speak one-on-one with vice president peres since the debate. >> i can't speak to any conversations that they've had. and so i'll just i'll just leave it at that. i don't have any retail of a conversation between the two of them so i've spoken to a lot of donors since and they won't know board exactly happened that night so just to follow up on mgs question, i know he said he hadn't taken any medication. >> was there any other medication here that's what being of them or no, i understand. i was asked about i was asked about the cold medicine. i asked about the

cold medicine. he wasn't taking any cold medicine and i don't have anything beyond that. i don't have anything beyond that to share and look, i've i've answered this question multiple times at this point. i don't have anything else to add beyond what i have shared with your colleagues here in the room. we really truly want to turn the page on this. we really want to be able to get out there and speak directly to the american people. speak directly to you all the president and it will. and i think that's important to look and not forget what this president has been able to do the last three-and-a-half years how he's been able to deliver and there is a stark contrast what this person president has done and what republicans in congress are doing, right? he's trying to protect our rights as president. he's trying to protect our freedom. he's trying to protect really important programs that matter to the american people. he wants to protect women's rights. roe v. wade, he wants continued to build an economy

that works for all that's what we're going to focused on and that's what americans are going to hear can continue to hear from this president. anything else i think i've litigated this a lot already. in this briefing room. i just don't have anything got andrew. >> you create two questions. sure. you repeatedly referred to the president's outing api rebate at the watch party his remarks the next day, north carolina, his appearance is at fundraisers, disappearances this morning at the can you see see operation center? all those appearances were scripted events where he spoke off from the toe motion stroke from what you said okay. let's just be correct. either most descriptive, spoken from a teleprompter how we're american supposed to get the sense that the president is adhd and capable and thinking off the cuff when he's reading from prepared remarks. so often why can't you just come down

here the brief? there's 30 seconds, so like, why can't come down here and assure us and the american people yeah, please. okay. i have a phone. >> okay first of all, while it wasn't all it was, it was when he was speaking in front of the audience, but it wasn't all when you think about the tarmac, when you think about the events i want to say think about engaging at the watch party and doing a very long rope line. and when he was at the top, middle which we have been listening to for some time now, a lot of critical questions about president biden's health. after his debate performance last week, that even some democrats who support him, who want for him to do well have said was catastrophic. so we just heard they're from green job here. she's saying he had a cold. he had a bad night and she kept

reiterating that. let's bring in cnn political director david chaldean and katie rogers, white house correspondent for the new york times. she the author of american woman, the transformation of the modern first lady from hillary clinton to jill biden david. what did you think watching that press conference? >> well the motivation behind that press conference was clear because creon jump pair said it plainly, we want to turn the page. we want america to turn the page. we are hoping to turn the page, but she said that it three times that was quite clear. the page is not turning because there was a lack of answers to the critical fundamental question that was being asked, which is what happened? what happened that all of microsoft, so crane job here kept saying, we're not trying to ignore reality we understand and acknowledge what america saw and witnessed and that that was a really bad night, and that was a bad debate. and we acknowledge

that, but she does not offer 11 bit of evidence or reasoning or rationale for why why did america see what they saw that night? and there were a lot of questions asked by the white house press corps you know, can we get more medical records? can you bring the doctor in here and make them available? get you know, is it time to do a cognitive test you didn't do one in the last say, there was just no none acceptance of that kind of a premise. it was just one bad night we acknowledged that, but she's missing explaining to the country fundamentally why americans are not done, right? i mean, they saw what they saw and those who are concerned saw something that's not just a bad night, that's not just oh, a cold. right and there is no further explanation as david points out, she said as it relates to a cognitive test, the presence biden's medical team said it is not warranted, but there's

no explanation why why wouldn't it be warranted and they don't want donors are not dumb either. it should be noted and those are many of the exact questions that they have been asking. the president's campaign team last night on a big call. they want to know how oh, there was such a breakdown between what they see from the president and what was shown on thursday, much like you said, and that has been much of the focus in these last few days, which is on donors and not explaining to the american public on in his own voice what happened. and katie also questions about what is he doing right now since the debate, because we have learned that there is this press conference which appears to be a solo press conference coming up. he does have an interview with george stuff annapolis, which people will be watching very carefully. but this question of outreach, which we're starting to see kind of take place. it to concerned democratic governors and

others. it feels like it's coming a little late, right? it's been many days since this debate and he has not picked up the phone. and i think anyone who's had a bad day at work where let's say you weren't fired, knows what you do. you pick up the phone and you start waging concerns immediately, and that is not what we're seeing done here. >> i think they've had to assuage concerns within their own white house, within their campaign again, the donor class the family, and the president's inner circle of advisers spent part of the weekend debating what he should do. >> so that was part of the delay. is there is an actual discussion over what would be best how he best proves himself with the knowledge that he's not great. an oppressor not they argue and debate over whether or not he should do interviews and who she who he should do interviews with. and that explains a lot of why

we're seeing this on tuesday, five days later. i want to ask you to because it seems like the white house just we heard there from the press secretary repeating the time to time again, it was a bad night, cold, bad de called, but there's a trust issue here. right? i mean, i think a lot of americans were shocked to see joe biden's performance at the debate and they were like, why wasn't this set up for me? why, why am i seeing this for the first time? they've his advisers, white house officials the feeling is amongst many americans, more being honest, open transparent, truthful, perhaps about what was going on with him. why should american it's trust this now? well, you heard the press secretary continually refer back to the february medical report that they shared as transparent. >> it was a six page summary. as you heard, are reporter mj lee put in her question to the press secretary? six page summary. i know korean jump here is calling that comprehensive, but that is not comprehensive comparative, comparatively and that is true compared to donald trump, not true compared to previous

presidents. we've seen some more uncertainly not true. two other nominees such as john mccain when he brought in reporters to like are sanjay gupta to spend an entire day combing through detailed medical reports when there were questions about john mccain age. so a six page summary, she calls fully transparent and comprehensive, will clearly not comprehensive enough because we still don't have a full understanding of why something like this thursday night may occur. now, to your point about the american people being shocked greene was asked, were you shocked? she she said no, she didn't answer. i didn't here to say she was shocked she said she's never seen this before in any of her interactions with the president. i mean, i think we're going to start learning over time. your story at the new york times now it gets into this who has seen some behavior like this from the president, who was it not the first time when they saw thursday night, they actually recognize something they had seen previous reasons that question,

yeah. i mean, just what is interesting about are reporting two is there's an element among we spoke to donors, elected officials officials he interacted with on his trip abroad just before the debate. there's an element of this that speaks to the protective element around him that these allies of the white house who showed up at events were stunned at how he was just in a white house event. there. so he's so sequestered that when he is in moments where he's with people who don't see him. often. it is stunning to them that he's mixing up names dates, facts, and figures, and there's an element of this that the people closer to him have normalized it but there are people on the outside of the shell who see it periodically and are shocked. >> by the way, the test is on now, right? because you heard from the press secretary she's pointing to this interview. he's going to do on abc news on friday afternoon she's

pointing to a press conference next week during the nato summit. these are instances, i guess is opening remarks at a press conference might have a teleprompter, but certainly his answers to the questions will not be on teleprompter so these are some high profile big unscripted moments not that he won't rehearse for them, but unscripted moments for him and i think his press secretary just put him front and center as, you know, you've got to deliver now, before the american people, mr. president since the page doesn't get turned, right. >> i also think we're looking back on events through a different prism. totally. i know that i am i'm looking back and i'm sorting events. was it a prompt or event? was it during the day? was it during a stressful time when he was tired versus doing something ad lib did he explain something to the fullest? what about during his interview with robert hur for the special counsel? what about that? because i will also tell you,

having looked at the transcript of the debate the next day it didn't actually read nearly as bad as watching it. and so we've seen the transcript of that interview. but what does it sound like? these are different things that is white house republicans are suing the administration for the audio, right? and i also think what's important to note here is there is a difference between kenny continue the job he's in right now, and is he going to be mentally, physically fit to do this job that is so incredibly demanding. the most powerful man in the world arguably for another four years. and she talks a lot about his record. we just heard there but i'm not sure there was a lot about like the fact that he's able to carry on level for another four years, he would be 86. well, this is the end of another four years. and this is why the democratic parties in this very intense internal conversation right now about figuring out if it is even viable as a candidacy for this president at this moment in time to be

asking for a renewal of his contract for four more years to the american people, or if that's just not a viable prospect, that's what they're trying to figure out. we don't have any indication that pressure is being brought to bear directly to joe biden, right now. but you did hear her talk about these conversations that are coming with democratic governors, with democratic senate and house leadership. he's gonna be hearing from a lot of people who have a stake. i mean, all ever all on america has a stake in the election i was proposed, but who have a political stake in this election that they have they have a dependency on the top of the ticket and an urgency from their perspective to make sure donald trump doesn't get a second term in the white house. and they're concerned right now that job biden at the top of the ticket makes perhaps a second trump presidency all that much more likely. and to your point, it is about the four additional years that is causing that conversation to take place, right. and makes it more likely that if he wins, he

may have as well the house and the senate, which has democrats view would be catastrophic for donald trump. >> yes, that's right. yeah. all right david chelyan, katie rogers. thank you so much. breaking news coming in right here. did he usually donald trump's sentencing? seen and his hush money case has been formally postponed following the supreme court's ruling on presidential immunity, we have cnn's kara scannell on this story. kara give us the latest here yes. the judge has just issued his decision on this delaying trump's sentencing until september 18th. that is to give him time to consider trump's effort to try to overturn the conviction in light of yesterday's supreme court ruling on presidential immunity, trump's team had asked for a delay of the sentencing in a briefing schedule so they could make these legal arguments about presidential immunity, questioning some of the evidence that had been entered into the case. either testimony about oval office meetings, things that could potentially be considered official acts, and that could be excluded or

should have been excluded under this new supreme court decision. that the prosecutor's today, so that they didn't pose postponing the sentencing. the judge said that he would postpone it. now, setting a date of september 18th instead of next thursday. and he also agreed to a briefing schedule. now, he said that he would issue his opinion on presidential immunity on september 6, and then he said that the sentencing would take place on the 18th. he set that date for the imposition shouldn't of the sentence. if such is still necessary or any other proceedings. so at this point now, we're looking at donald trump not facing a potential sentencing in this case until september. of course, the issue before the judge will be presidential immunity, whether the spring court's decision affects the conviction in this case in any way, trump's team is asking for that to be overturned or a new trial. so depending on which way the judge rules, if he does find in favor of the prosecution, then trump's sentencing will follow in september. trump's lawyers, of course, are planning to appeal all of this to new york's highest court pam kara

scannell. thank you so much for more on this. let's bring in national security attorney brad moss. he is a partner in the law office of mark zaid. so what do you make of the judge's decision here to postpone donald trump's sentencing well i. >> think it was certainly it just it had to be done at this point. this is a legitimate issue that had to be raised by donald trump. now, given the supreme court's ruling on immunity, he had sort of tried to raise it at the last minute before the trial started in new york, saying that some of the evidence in the case tweets he had done press remarks he had made during his time as president that were related to this issue, to the stories that came out should be excluded under the concept of immunity. i don't think there's ever goes anywhere. i don't see any reason to believe that even the furthest reach of the majority's opinion and the trump ruling will require new trial would have excluded the evidence, but the judge wants to take it seriously. that's fine. it should it's a

legitimate constitutional concern certainly is worthy of a full briefing and consideration, but here's the one downside for donald trump now, if he get sentenced, especially if we get sentenced to jail time, that's coming down in september. that's 67 weeks he's before voters go to the election. both that's not july when they'll forget about it. >> well, let's talk about that timing right now. as you mentioned, sentencing is september september 18. do you really think that that's going to stick? is that enough time for the judge to work through all of the legal issues that this new ruling brings. >> i certainly think it is i mean, the trump team's going to file their brief sometime next week. alvin bragg a file his by the end of july that gives a judge more than a month to craft a ruling and analyzing how he's going to address it. obviously, if he's going to declare the trial vacated order for new trial based off the immunity ruling that arose out, any sentencing. but assuming he rejects trump's effort, that

certainly gives them enough time to consider what the federal judge originally looked at this on when donald trump tried to have the case remove the federal court is certainly allows judge merchant to consider the extent to which effectively donald trump waved this this issue at that federal removal action, if he can't bring it up now, there's more than enough time for him to issue that ruling so we have trump's lawyers who were saying, look at the supreme court ruling shows that if there is an official act of are present that is engaged in an official act that it should be tossed out, right. >> all the evidence under that should be tossed out. how likely is that to actually happen? this case? and for a conviction to be overturned yes. >> so they're sort of trying to turn that ruling from the supreme court a little broader than it actually is. all the majority opinion said was that if evidence for that or testimony documents from pardo of the president's core

exclusive authorities, things that are clearly out and outlined in article two of the u.s. constitution, part of the president's preclusive authority that is not only something twitchy has absolute immunity, but it is evidenced that cannot be relied upon at trial as part of some other aspects of a separate charge for things beyond his core authorities. there is no part of article two that deals with issuing press statements about a hush money payment or writing or signing checks while in the oval office tied to your private business as part of a hush money deal that would be best for donald trump, part of the outer reach of his executive authority if and if not just strictly personal activities. and so that preclusive effect of the evidence wouldn't seem to have any relevance here. >> all right. brad. thank you so much. we'll be right back

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afternoon, congressman lloyd dogen of texas became the first democrat, sitting democrat to call for biden to step aside and a house democratic lawmaker just we'll me a moment moments ago that there's a large and increasing group of house democrats concerned about the president's candidacy representing a broad swath of the caucus. >> we are deeply concerned about his trajectory and his ability to win. we want to give him space to make a decision, meaning to step aside, but we will be increasingly vocal about our concerns if he doesn't. another to suggest the biden's time is up is 2020 democratic presidential candidate andrew yang, who's with us now. he's now co-chair of the forward party andrew? no indication right now though that biden has any plans to step aside. i'm not not sure if you just saw the white house press briefing, but it was certainly illuminating in that regard would you ultimately support biden if he is the candidate against trump in november i think there are many

conversations happening behind the scenes right now. briana, where objective people within the democratic party are evaluating the ticket and saying that if you want to defeat trump in november, joe biden is not the right person. at the top of the ticket. there are many swing district in swing state members who think that their jobs are going to be on the line based upon whether joe biden is still at the top of the ticket, and i think these conversations are heating up, not cooling down what do you think will happen? and i'm not just talking about the white house, i'm talking about congress, the senate, the house. i'm talking about in the states. what do you think would happen if biden does not step aside? >> i think the democrats would lose the house and the senate as well as the white house. if joe biden was at the top of the ticket it's one reason why i believe the right thing for him to do is to step aside for the good of the party and the country. i personally do not want to see donald trump returned to the white house and i see that as essentially a certainty, if joe biden is the

nominee and many democrats again, our drawing the same conclusions based upon the data that's coming out after the debate. >> you back to democrat dean phillips against biden. you you are tactic, you're no longer a democrat. you have this sort of a third party. what would you say to democrats who say yeah, but that guy, andrew yang, he's not even one of us. why should we listen to him? >> i ran against donald trump in 2020. i back to dean phillips, who i would say has demonstrated more courage in principle than the vast majority of other members of the democratic congress where he saw what we're seeing right now months ago back when there was a primary and he stepped up within the party risked his career and made the case that joe biden is not the right nominee, two-phase donald trump in november based in large part, upon his advancing age and the fact that his best days are behind him. how many other members are saying the exact

same thing right now, briana, i am so glad that dean phillips stepped up. i was proud to support him and he has been proven 100% correct. he's a man of principle encouraged and i hope other members of the party take a lesson from what dean phillips demonstrated those months ago who would you like to see as an alternative to by noting that you did back dean phillips, but there are a lot of names being floated right now. who would you like to see i want to see someone who's going to defeat donald trump. >> and i'm a numbers person. and i'm happy to say there's no shortage of candidates who i think would be a much stronger opponent against donald trump in november as opposed to joe biden, which is one reason why so many of us who don't want to see a trump return want joe biden to step aside. he's done so much for the country, but this is the great service that he's being called upon to perform right now. and that's to see that drew me. ask you the numerator and polling shows kamala harris with the best shot to be trump that she's within the margin of error. would you support her? i mean,

is that something that catches your eye i think that kamala harris will be right there among the contenders to replace joe after joe does step aside, which i believe will happen and i think that's a very healthy competition in conversation for the party to have. >> i wish that they'd had this competition in january and february and march when the primaries were scheduled, but they stifled that opportunity. >> but you have they didn't, they didn't they didn't. and that's why i'm just going to stop you because i've one more question i want ask. they didn't so that just is what it is, but let me ask you this because at this point in time and granted, this is building hypothetical upon hypothetical. but if joe biden were to step aside then it is how do you come to an alternative? is it is it a contested convention? doesn't seem like that is something that a lot of democrats want to go through. is it a brokered convention where there would be consensus around someone maybe someone would be anointed by biden land

in that case, if you had one person, you could choose from among these names, who would that be no. >> i want to see the data as to who the best top of the ticket contender would be. my instinct is that having people who are from michigan and pennsylvania in the swing states that are going to decide this race would be a good move. but that's going to be up to the party and to me, the data to make the best case andrew yang really interesting to get your insights here. obviously, a lot of people are having hypothetical conversations right now and it's good to have one with you. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for, having me briana. >> all right. we'll be right back it won't be hard to find someone to six this. but before i started, angie's list different story. a lot has changed for us at angie since then, but the issues basically homeowners are the same and the solution to skill local prose, get started et angie.com, you,

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you said, it is number three on cnn's list of america's best towns to visit there is so much to pack in those daylight hours. derrick van dam did his best to try it all out. watch there's no shortage of things to do and see and tacoma, washington and because it's so far north, there are nearly 16 hours of daylight in the summer to help you pack it all in my day begins on mount rainier, on this misty morning, i hike across a fresh, dusting of snow their 26 glaciers on ranier and over 35 square miles of the mountain is covered in snow and ice year round. but i can't stay long because i need to make the two-hour journey back down to the puget sound matter me always stairs in their from snow shoeing to shucking pets, right? oysters that's the size of my head. >> mollusks thriving these waters and the mentor brooke oyster company harvest

thousands of oysters here every day. when that water comes in through the strait to want a few in a flushes into the sound. it doesn't flush all the way back out. so what you have is real rich, grown of algae for the oysters. it's the algae is what the oysters ii that makes it so awesome the puget sound also has an abundance of islands, including fashion. after a short ferry trip, you can be transported to what feels like another world berries are going to start pop in here pretty soon hike along, would it trails rocky beaches? but it's also home to nearly 11,000 full-time residents. some tacoma residents, including dale chihuly, helped put the northwest on the map as a mecca for glass are i don't think i've ever seen somebody so a flame thrower so i had to check out the tacoma museum of glass where new works of glass art are blown and molded in

front of a live audience. >> most museums are historical and maybe artists aren't alive anymore if you want to see world-class artists working in a state-of-the-art facility than this is the place to come i feel like there's so much there to do that you can't get bored for as long as you're in tacoma. have you will learn more about tacoma and the other towns on our list. do that at our website. or by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, pamela, brianna that looks awesome. i love that forrester's but glassblowing looks unbelievable, victor. yeah, we my favorite second of the day. thank you very much. and i'm surprised as derrick didn't get in there with the glass blowing. he's been part of everything else if you figured out briana somewhere itinerary for travel? >> yeah. he would normally what did he do? he yodel jolene i think when he did the dollywood one that was great of victor.