>> erica, source close to the bidens telling me that's ludicrous. the first lady also lady's office, there's try to push back on that and they say are trying to argue at least that that's just not what's happening here. they say that she is, they are just to support her husband that he has his own political and policy advisors and that politics they say is his lane. but certainly anyone who's observed the bidens and certainly multiple sources confirm that, again, to me that there are bond is so close that this is something she has turned into something of a de facto pfizer to him over the years. an ally of the president and the first lady's also tells me that she will continue to be his biggest defender, but that essentially the blame for all of us they say can't fall solely on her back here. they say, quote, it's unfair to put the future of the democratic party on a spouse. this source tells me certainly significant also today erica, that she was out on the campaign trail opening a campaign office in michigan, and she said joe biden will be the nominee. sunland. appreciate the reporting as always thank you. thanks to all

of you for joining us tonight. america hill, stay tuned. ac30 60 starts right now tonight on 360 democratic governors just left a meeting with the president at the white house. >> and now voice their support for him. and his fitness for office, even as new cnn reporting from the highest levels of lead administration indicates that serious doubt among sum is setting in about his candidacy. also tonight in our ongoing series, 250, 3% how president biden's debate performance affected undecided women in the swing state of georgia plus a whistleblowers new allegation that boeing put parts painting get red. that means bad onto planes that then delivered to airlines good evening. jim sciutto here sitting in for anderson tonight, democratic governors have just emerged from a meeting with the president at the white house. all voicing,

strong support for him and his candidacy. it just the latest in a whole string of breaking news. at the end of what was another difficult de, for president biden six days now since his halting performance on the cnn debate stage in atlanta late today, a democratic lawmaker told us this about the president's candidacy it's over. we are just waiting for the announcement. he meeting mr. biden is not there yet. we'll take a bit of time to get there, but it's over that the view of one lawmaker that was followed in rapid succession by word as we shed i've serious doubt setting in within the administration itself, a senior official characterize the erosion of support among democrats, as quote waves crashing into the shore, also breaking tonight, democratic congressman seth molten went public with his own doubt saying in a statement that he now has quote, grave concerns, unquote what about the president's ability to win in november, which in turn follows

arizona congressman roe revolver. today, becoming the second lawmaker to call for the president to leave the race and two new polls showing him falling further behind the former president in the words of a democratic lawmaker, i spoke with today, the campaign is at an acute stage. it is imperative over the next week that the president demonstrably show he has the energy and the ability to win the race and to do the job and with all that as a backdrop, that meeting at the white house, which is where we begin tonight with cnn's mj lee, mj, the meeting just wrapped up. and from at least those three governors that we heard from there sounded like full throated support. do we know if that was a unanimous view among the governor's? >> it's really hard to know, jim right now, because as you say, just a small group of governors came out after a meeting that probably lasted well over an hour. they began the meeting around 630 with the one line that at least towards the end of the scrotum from

that the governor has kept repeating was in it to win it these governors made clear that they felt like they needed to have this meeting in-person with the president because they are unified in feeling that they are terrified about the possibility of a second donald trump presidency. and they said, you know, we saw first-hand in the work that we do in our individual states, the threat that donald trump poses to all of our constituents, to the places that we live in and that they don't want a trump presidency to come back but this discussion was really about making sure that there is a clear path forward to making sure that a democrat save in the white house and minnesota governor tim walz, who organize this meeting. first by convening a phone call with some worried governors, and then making sure that this meeting took place in person. described this as having been an honor this conversation and that there was a good amount of feedback that was exchanged. and then the group towards the end said that they all pledge their support to the president, that this is a president that

had, had their backs and that they are now going to in turn have his back his back as well. i do think we have some sound from the minnesota governor talking about this dialog. take a listen all of us are trying to figure out and just want to make sure as governors were on the front line of many of these things. >> we're in states. so whether they're swing states or not where folks karen are giving us feedback and the feedback was we are all looking for the path to win. all the governors agree with that. president biden agrees with that. he has had our backs through covid through all of the recovery all the things that have happened. the governors have his back and we're working together just to make very, very clear on that, a path to victory in november is the number one priority. and that's the number one priority of the president. so that's what we're trying to get done. the feedback was good, the conversation was honest and open, and the action that will come out of that, we'll make sure that we're getting getting that message out. we'll

see you heard there the governor speaking on behalf of the large group of governor saying, but they are all in i think this is a space that we're going to have to walk what really makes sure if that is the case that every single governor that attended this meeting with the president came away, that convinced that they are going to fully continue having his back it's a great point that's three governors. their full-throated support. we'll see if that is a widespread view. mj lee at the white house. thanks so much. cnn's jeff zeleny has more breaking news, is he evening in his case on the president's sudden and very apparent, a brace, embrace of vice president harris. geoff joins us now notable that public abrasive course, she is his vice president. but what are you hearing about? what that means about his own decision-making? regarding his candidacy give it's clear that president biden was intentionally trying to keep vice president harris close by his side today, inviting her to join that democratic governors meeting that we've just been talking about, as well as a lunch as well as a campaign phone call. one adviser described it to me, is i simply

setting the message that he's with her however, as questions and mount here in washington about the future of the biden candidacy. i am learning tonight that several democratic advisers and party officials across the party are discussing contingency plans that should he decide to not run what would happen. and the plans according to these democrats would be that he would throw his support behind harris and urged other party leaders to do the same in hopes of avoiding a contentious democratic convention fight. now, all of that is hypothetical. if president biden does not make a decision to not run, he of course, he says he is running, but jim all of this simply is raising a spotlight on vice president harris, who finds herself in a historic holding pattern the stakes of this race could not be higher. it turns out perhaps they could be particularly for vice president kamala harris

those chants of four more years suddenly ringing a bit differently for a vice president at the center of a crisis consuming the white house and president biden's reelection campaign as the democratic chorus grows louder for biden to step aside a week after its fumbling debate performance, harris is at the center of it all playing the role of loyal running mate, joe biden is our nominee. we be trump once and we're gonna be two appearing. >> even as she privately considers whether she'll soon have to pick one of her own if biden passes the democratic torch four months before election day, but that at remains a big if with signs of a biden-harris ticket suddenly not so obvious after all, harris is in something of a historic holding pattern, leading the charge and defending the president moments after the debate to anderson, i got the point that you're making about one-and-a-half hour debate tonight? i'm talking about three-and-a-half years of performance in work that has been historic. a careful balancing act of

proving loyalty, yet trying to maintain credibility her future is at the heart of a conversation among democrats well respect may run deeper than consensus over the parties. next steps, i think she's a talented woman and someone who should be in the mix. but this is not a matter of just passing the mantle to her. >> if biden makes the decision to step aside, senior democratic adviser is tells cnn he is expected to immediately throw a support behind harris and ask delegates to do the same former president's and party leaders will be asked to follow suit in hopes of avoiding a contentious fight. a more open race, advisers hope would be he for harris is running mate with a focus on leading democratic governors, harris has long taking a leading role in prosecuting the case against donald trump. >> let us be very clear about who is responsible former president trump pick three supreme court justices because

he intended for them to overturn roe. >> a new cnn poll find terrorists within striking distance of trump in a hypothetical matchup, 472, 45% or race within the margin of error with no clear leader, harris is stronger showing against trump is built upon or standing with women. 50% of female voters back harris over trump, compared to 40 before percent for biden against trump. and among independents, 43% backing harris, just 34% for biden as we talked to voters like maureen glenn and wisconsin, harris, his name often comes up when democrats express concern about biden's age even if something were to happen to biden i have every faith in kamala harris, and i think the biden or kamala harris has a sense to follow a qualified and good cabinet of leaders. and as a team that they can run the country well jeff is vice president harris herself involved in this

possible succession plan jim, she's not she's busy being the vice president. she of course, was at the white house throughout the day. but look piece are conversations going on. one democratic adviser explained it to me, it'd be malpractice not to plan for a contingency here because the election is four months from friday, but we did get a new statement from the biden campaign saying this, that the vice president is will remain i'm sorry, it says this. the president is and will remain are party's nominee and vice president harris is proud to be his running mate reports suggesting they are the campaign are considering alternative scenarios are patently false. jim, the bottom line here is this shows one thing democrats in washington entity across the country in the party are concerned about the fight with donald trump many think time is being wasted here. that's why they are talking about these contingency plans but again, as of now, as of tonight, president biden says, he's all in and quite

publicly you saying that as are some of those democratic governor is a short time ago, jeff zeleny, thanks so much. all right. some perspective. now howard dean, former vermont governor, former dnc the chair, former democratic presidential candidate, actually a ten, who served as communications director for vice president harris and to cnn political commentators adam kinzinger, van jones, it's great to have all of you here, depth of experience on this. so i look forward to hearing your views on where you see this going. governor, if i could begin with, you? you hear the support the president is getting from these democratic governors tonight, at least the three who came out from the white house to speak about it. but you are hearing lawmakers, democratic lawmakers who put their name to it, saying he should leave the race and others raising serious questions do you sense of direction as to where this is leaning right now because the president's own statements and the white house's own statements have been steadfast that he staying in i think you have to take him at his word. the president has a great record for the last four years,

including supplying a whole lot of jobs to red states that are not going to vote for him because he's the president of all americans, not just the few and i think he's decided to run and that's if he runs decides to run. he's going to run because that's the way the democratic apparatus works. i do think some things that have emerged out of this that i find to be very encouraging one is, should he not run harris? actually, it looks very, very good. i if she should become the nominee, i would i would suggest roy cooper or josh shapiro is a running mate, but i think biden is going to run and this is biden's nomination. he's wanted he's done a great job for four years and he's also has the benefit of not being a convict a convicted felon you can make take your choice. i think this is up to joe biden. it sounds to me like he's made his decision to stay in the trouble

is actually that even prior to the debate, despite those facts, no, he is not a convicted felon. >> donald trump is yes, you can make an argument that he's had legislative successes bipartisan legislative sex successes with bipartisan support infrastructure gerbil chips act, et cetera but he was behind before the debate and new polling from the new york times shows that since the debate, trump has now increased his lead over president biden should he stay in, should biden be the nominee? is he the best nominee to beat donald trump no fridge door oh, sorry. >> let me go to ashley first. i do want to hear your thoughts, however, let me go to ashley. >> sorry. excuse me, governor no. i think i think he actually is in the best position shin to be donald trump. today's meeting was very important with the governors. the president has to do two things. one, he has a stop the bleeding immediately. this meeting actually did that you don't want any dissension from the governors. the second thing that the campaign has to do is

they need to pivot, they need to get on offense. it's the story about his strength in this it's campaign is in the numbers you just pointed out, the new york times poll, if you dig deep into that poll, joe biden's actually shrinking and increasing his margin with independent voters. he outraised trump in june. he outraised trump the night of the campaign. he's outraised trump since the actual election. and here's the other thing that i think his most important, and that is trump doesn't have a strategy to grow beyond his base. there's very few indications that he's growing beyond his maga base. and what's clear from those, nikki haley voters in those independent voters, we saw it in the push polls. is that the more they see a donald trump, the more they reminded of why they actually don't like him. so i think the president is a the strong position, but the campaign has to convince the people of that they need to shift onto the offense and stop being in the defensive posture. but the president has to convince the people of the candidate absolutely has to be able to articulate those

positions with strength and clarity and the fact, is that the debate, he certainly did not do that and van jones, i wonder what your thoughts are because i've heard that message from months, right? >> that look at the record and if he just articulates the record, that will show in the numbers, but it hasn't it hasn't shown in the numbers. and those numbers are getting worse. and he didn't show it an ability to make that case aggressively in the debate. so i wonder where that leaves us in your view like i just gonna be honest. >> i mean, everybody comes on the air and it says all this great stuff up behind the scenes. it's full full-scale panic people are passing around legal memos pdfs are flying back and forth on whatsapp, trying to figure out what are the options. how can you replace biden? how do you get them to do it in a way where you feels respected as he should be respected, who should kamala harris's vice president be the conversation on air in the conversation off there are completely different and so

it's the same thing with you saw with the trump situation where people would come on and defend trump, then you talk to people and we've got a crazy candidate. we don't have a crazy candidate. we have a great candidate. we have a beautiful man. we have someone who loves his country we have someone who has given his all i mean, hits all to the last drop for this country. but he may not be able to get across the finish line and mature party has to take that into account. and that is what's happening. look, i understand people want to defend them and protect him and give him their space and the dignity to make his own choice. but there is a big conversation happening right now. about how this happens, not whether kinda congressman kinzinger, your republican, of course, you have endorsed president biden over donald trump because of the threat that you believe donald trump poses to the country, to america's national security interests, to democracy, et cetera. there's a view that trump would actually prefer biden to stay in the the race that he stronger against him from from your perspective, just on that that narrow point,

who would be better to beat troubled to be better for biden to stay in or for the democrats. the find another candidate? well, this, i can't answer because again, it would be better if it was biden. >> but with the caveat that they have got to pivot immediately. and like you said, and like everybody has been saying, make an aggressive case. he has to go take press questions and alive press conference. he has to not just do the pre-planned speeches. but go out there and show that energy. what of my disappointments i'll be honest. the debate was when donald trump made up the whole thing about the january 6 committee deleting evidence. we've never deleted evidence at all. you have to do is google it and it's all over the internet. but that should be a time when you make the case. in response to that. so democratic can make their decision. the only thing i'll say is this is no matter what decision that is. and obviously joe biden makes a decision make sure you're putting your best foot and best message forward to defeat this uniquely unqualified, uniquely week and

uniquely dangerous candidate and donald trump that he never attains the oval office again howard dean, joe joining the new york times, the boston globe editorial board. they wrote today that president biden should step aside and in their statement, they went on to make the case that having an open not primary really convention at this point would be exciting for the democratic party that once to get over what would be an extremely difficult moment boat moment, certainly for buying bit biden and his family decision that it might actually be energizing. and i wonder if you think that there's any substance to that no, i don't read at those editorials. and all due respect, they're very smart people are riding them who have no experience and what it's like to be in an elected official so the hell with the editorials, learned people but they might have own teaching philosophy someplace so what, is there's not gonna be chaos at the convention if john, if the biden doesn't run and this

is totally his decision it's going to be harris. and that's just the way it is. it turns out she posed better than everybody else anyway. so it's just as well but there's not going to be a big fight of the convention. there will be a few people like dean phillips who put his name in and got what he deserved but it's going to be cooked. harris there's some financial reasons for this. harris is a signatory to the biden harris campaigns. so the money can go to her. it can't really neily go to whoever else might end up but there's just not going to be a bloodbath. there's not enough time for there to be a bloodbath. there isn't a single candidate other than harris who can muster the organizational ability to run a presidential campaigns because she's already got that ability, because she's been in running this campaign, are running in this campaign for months. >> well, we'll see if we get that point to that point, everyone, please do stay there because there is more breaking news next, a major democratic

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call 187786 68555 i'm tom forming in washington on this is cnn in addition to all the other grim headlines, the biden campaign is facing, there is now this one just out in the new york times. netflix co-founder becomes one of the biggest democratic donors to call for biden to step aside that would be reed hastings telling the times, quote, biden needs to step aside to allow a vigorous democratic thank leader to beat trump and keep us safe and prosperous. the campaign, by the way, took in $127 million last month. cnn senior data reporter, harry and ten joins us now with more on the money front, namely who that money belongs to, if not the president. if the president were to decide, by the way, this is a major, if of course, to leave grace, who exactly would have access to his cash

and would that be only one candidate or would it be others? yeah. if there is one candidate who isn't joe biden, who would have access to that cash, it would be the vice president united state. >> she's on those fcc forms with her with him she according to law, she has access to it. any other candidate if the democrats aside to nominate any other candidate? hey, could not access that cash, those hunt that's tens of millions of dollars. i think cash-on-hand later, no circumstances or cook could could harris say, i'm hoping this opening this up as she herself can have it, but no, it cannot go to the other candidates. it can not go to them. >> okay. so would biden have any input onto how that money is spent if he were to to say, let me write a proviso here, right? yeah. >> so biden himself could form a pack, right? and he could decide, you know what i'm gonna do an independent expenditure and i can spend it. but here's the deal. it is written in the law that can't candidates have better money. their money goes further on television advertisements. they get a discount if they're candidates, a pack does not get those discounts. so his money

wouldn't necessarily go as far more than that. heat can't really coordinate with the campaign if let's say it's not harris, and let's say he decides to form this back. he can't coordinate with them jason exactly right. it would be very, very difficult for them to understand. okay. this is where i necessarily want that money to be spent as our campaign finance laws are so rigorous, course, what other options are there then for the war chest? yes, another thing that he could do as he could give it over to the democratic national committee and they could try and spend it, but they would run into very similar issues that that he would run into if he himself formed his own pack. one other option is you could refund the money and then potentially go out there and asked the donors, hey, you should donate to this new person, but there's no guarantee that that would necessarily happen. i think the bottom line here, jim, is really simple. if harris is the presidential nominee, it's very easy to get the money to her if it's not her and it's a whole big ball of a mess. alright. >> ariane, thanks so much. thank you. so let's go back to the panel now let me ask you, ash, actually, the governor

said it's it's gotta be harris in effect, you of course, worked for the vice president do you agree does it have to be harris, are there no circumstances where the party could say, well, this is a team effort here. we got to open it up and see who's the best candidate well, jim, i hated disappoint. >> i don't know the inner workings of the party that much, but i've been told by the campaign that that is the case at the money would be transferred to here is but here's the reality is big donor money. it matters because it does signal to other big donors, where they should put, should they continue to invest in the campaign but, but what matters most it's not the end-all be-all. but what matters most is what we just saw at the end of the this past weekend after the debate, which is that the president raise 33 million and that was from small donors everyday americans writing checks and there's one thing i know having worked on for presidential campaigns as you don't write a check to a campaign that you think is actually failing. so the fact that they've raised the most money that they ever had have

among grassroots, everyday americans over the past week is impressive. and that says a lot and that says that the american people have some level of confidence in this president and in this campaign. so wherein read stepping down the, what matters most and is a bigger indication of momentum and strength is the small-dollar donors in there are there for the president, fair point. >> i mean, as big donors go, i mean, i've seen big donors change their minds certainly when it comes to say a donald trump on the republican side, that van jones if what you're saying is true and by the way, it's cnn's reporting as well that inside the party, there is far more panic that is leaking out into public commentary there. what is your view of opening it up as opposed to the president saying, i'm stepping down. if he does, by the way, that's a big if i'm stepping down and it's got to be harris is there actually another realistic option to consider more candidates no. >> well, i mean, there isn't in claiborne has suggested that

perhaps there should be he's calling a mini primary where at least among the delegates, there would be an opportunity for people to to raise their hand. but i do think that all things being equal, it's hard to imagine leapfrogging kamala harris if everybody basically has the same basic shot at trump then you should go with your vice president. now, if it turns out that she's seven points down, there's somebody else is clearly a favorite. then i think you have that common we're station. but i meant to say one more thing, which is that it's exactly correct there is a rallying to biden happening. you can see it in two places. you can see it in the fundraising with a small-dollar donors and you can really see it online today the biden harris hashtag i was without performing fourth of july independence day. so there is a rallying similar to win. donald trump got in trouble. those are rallying to him the problem is, even though you have that as one current, the bigger current is a current of fear. this campaign is like a paper bag that somebody put on

a wet counter, that wet count turk is the debate performance is you pick up that pace, that paper bag. it's going to fall out. and so what's happening is yes, there is a countercurrent of people who are rallying to him. but a lot more people who are beginning to fall away. that's what's happening. yeah. i like i liked that that image four adam kinzinger when trump was convicted there was a bit of a drop in his polling numbers, but of course you did not see republican lawmakers, newspapers, et cetera, calling for him to withdraw is the panics threshold different for democrats than republicans? >> yeah because the democrats aren't a cult yet i mean, look, if you look back eight years and basically up until the last couple of years, they've always been people speaking out against donald trump. and actually to be honest with you, i don't think it's unhealthy for the democrats to have this conversation that we're still a few months away. but what's happened is all opposition, all free thought, all independent

thinking has been quashed in the republican party. so don't take, and i see this online to some of the chatter people saying, well, the republicans have so much more discipline. the democrats. no, that's not true. the republicans are officially a cult with a platform that is simply we support donald trump no issues don't become like them because trust me, it doesn't work out for this country or for the party in the long run. and it does it for comparison, you have democratic lawmakers coming out to say the president should step down. >> we need a stronger candidate you don't have, as you had with trump or have with trump, people who served president trump, who say he's a danger to the nation, right? which is a john bolton or mark esper, or yourself, you didn't serve his administration, but you're republican who served at the time, so we should be clear. those are apples and oranges in terms of comparison, there gov but when you look at this race, would you say the next few days are critical because even from inside the biden white house,

there was some cnn reporting saying that he's watching the numbers, right? that he and his team are looking for a plummeting of polls and that if the polls were to plummet, which they haven't yet, they've come down, but they haven't plummeted that he might reconsider. would you say the next few days are going to make the decision for him? >> well my prediction after i saw the bad debate was, this is going to go away and ten days. so i'd say the next few days are critical because ten days aren't up yet. and the attention of the media and the attention of the american peoples about ten days long, every time something like this blows up the next thing we'll be talking about putin doing something awful, or the elections in the uk which will send labour back to the back to the government and maybe it will switch the subjects because right now we've got a guy who's 81-years-old who made some mistakes in a debates. so what he's got fight years of really incredible service especially, i truly believe and i teach this, i teach foreign policy. i believe that biden has the best

domestic foreign policy record. i mean, domestic policy record of any president since lyndon johnson now, that's pretty extraordinary. and once people start focusing on that again, i think some of this is going to go away, but i could be wrong. i've been wrong before. i just don't remember when to your point, i didn't say to my team after the trump felony conviction that within a few days we'll be talking about something else and, you know, we were bad had happens actually you been involved inside the room as it were your the room where it happened at. >> what do you believe is going on behind the scenes and the biden camp tonight? >> well, i think they're trying to fortify. i think they're rallying around the president. there. obviously, meeting with surrogates, talking to governors, talking to elected officials. there, as i said earlier, they're trying to stop the bleeding, but i think what they really need to do is to get on positive footing. i mean, to the governor's point, the president has an incredible

story look, at the numbers in the metrics that matter in the campaign right now from the infrastructure he's building on the ground to the fundraising. he's in a strong position. they've got a stop to use the congressman's phrase. we've got to stop bed wedding as democrats were prone to doing that, we've got to get fortified and get focused and be very clear about not just what's at stake, but why joe biden is the best the best candidate to bring this to continue us down this path of progress. >> so then you're hearing from inside the white house, there are many just quickly who don't think this is just bad wedding. they think it's a real reason to reconsider if i'm wearing the pampers huggies and depends have you thought you can call me a bit wetter all you want to i'm concerned. i'm scared that the whole enchilada is on the table for american democracy and the democratic party has to put for the best person. no, but let me just say one thing about joe biden every single person images his name says they love it. they don't say they've

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points across seven battleground states. we should note that of course falls within the polls margin of error, indicating there is statistically no clear leader are randi kaye went back to the battleground state of georgia as part of our election year series on women voters, the 53% she sat down with a group of women who were initially undecided to see if last week's debate changed their minds the metropolitan the debate was it was a mess less than ten minutes and i was thinking, what in the name of presidential debates are we're watching, this is just unbelievable. >> all right. it was, it was like shocking when we first met these five voters and making georgia last month, they were all undecided. so we came back

to see if the cnn debate between joe biden and donald trump changed that drop came what is gloves on? and biden biden was still trying to put his own. >> i was shocked though, and biden, he just he was so frail and so impossible to understand. it was sad. i couldn't believe that his wife and his supporters, his team, allowed him to come out in that condition. >> which candidate would you say appeared stronger? >> i may trump had the confidence absolute corps yeah, clearly, yeah. >> was this the stronger one? >> but as far as like his choice of words, they were horrible, right? >> yes. >> i agree. and show for when racism yeah and a lot of a lot of hatred. it was a little too. yeah where did you see racism from trump the main thing in this look out to me which was referenced to the blacks and hispanics job what do you

consider a black jobs or hispanic jobs? why would you put that carolina just jiang. that job. who do you think was more truthful without to go goodbye biden. i think was more it's truthful or not. >> it was all for 30 lies. that trump said. and i realize that i think he just let's continues to spit rhetoric just to keep you discombobulated it after the debate, who do you trust more to run this country? >> i mean, if i, if i had to choose a person just strictly based off the debate, then of course it would be biden simply because he i'm just thought, i just, you know it was just too much for me. there was a lot of leg of care for the american people from, from i feel like if you're going to be our president again, you have to represent all of us.

>> it'd be inclusive as well. and that was not there. but i think as an, as america, we need other countries to look at us and respect us theorise. and realize that we could step in and make a change or difference and whatever else is happening in the world. and i'm afraid and i can see that that with biden, i know trump is far from perfect far from perfect. but i feel like he's stronger than biden. i just i feel like biden is too weak. >> i don't think that trump has been a great example. of leadership in business or in just human decency. do you all think this was one bad night for biden is or is this beyond repair? time will tell how thick is beyond repair for biden. do any of you think biden should drop out? >> i don't think he should drop out because he is just a better human being. any other option that we have at this point, you know, drop out and replace him with whom he has momentum going. and if biden drops out

at this point, i think it's just a lose for the entire part. >> because last we spoke, you said, i'm gonna watch this debate and i think it helped me. >> did it help you get any closer to deciding on a candidate it helped me to x out one a bit more and who would that be? that will be dropped. i just i been an african american woman. i cannot support someone who is not inclusive. >> i'm still just as confused as i was i feel now completely undecided. i mean, it's no lie. it's literally worse than and it was before. i'm definitely leaning more towards a third party further away from trump for sure. for their away. i would love to say that i was looking at a third party i think that the option is a pretty decent option. and problem is i don't want to ever feel like my vote is wasted. have any of you decided on a candidate if so, raise your hand no, for me. oh, who have

you decided on? well, i'm gonna vote for donald trump and madame may not here amongst some be a pop bueller answer, but i just feel that the country would be in better hands with him in spite of his personality, i have to just overlook that. >> i think i've decided and i've decided on trump as much as i don't like a lot of the point shall brought up things he said, but where we surprised and we've sort of expect that. but what i didn't expect was the week showing from joe biden and that's what really shocked me so if you're keeping track, jim, two of the five women in our group have decided they are voting for donald trump now these are both republicans in women. >> the two democrats in our group told us that they have decided not to vote for donald trump. they are considering a third-party candidate, but they haven't ruled out voting for joe biden? yes. the one

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unauthorized movement of parts or ms handling of documents. we then work diligently to dressed them and make improvements. meyer says he is coming forward now because of the pride he has in boeing, he goes so far as to call it a wonderful company. one, he says has been going astray and is in desperate need of change but you have to care leadership has to care to do that. but if you can't even keep parts segregated from good parts, what else aren't you doing a write leadership has to care piedmont team joins me now. >> so what do we know about these 50,000 parts? often painted red that are now apparently missing. >> jim, the mystery here is that we did not have an exact accounting of where these parts are. they range from the superficial like fasteners, to the critical wing flaps used for landing these parts warrant returned to the scrap yard or whistleblowers worried that they ended up on new planes delivered to airlines and other

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