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at the white house good morning, everyone. i'm paula reid in for kasie hunt. it's great to be with you with his reelection bid hanging in the balance. president biden insisting he staying in the race and he has a new strategy to keep him fresh and focused. more sleep, fewer work hours according to three sources of the president intends to stop scheduling events after 8:00 p.m. so we can get more sleep and he does not plan to bow out of the race. listen to these remarks at yesterday's fourth of july barbecue at the white house this could not be done without the family support, so thank you. thank you. thank you. we love you and i really mean it in the bottom of my heart thank you thank you you got me, man i'm not going anywhere. all right the biden campaign is clear-eyed. >> they know the president must calm fears among his own

supporters about his mental fitness but he didn't help his cause with these stumbles during a radio interview in philadelphia crowd as i said, the first vice president urge black woman black present, proud of church, black molding the supreme court still the biden campaign is putting together and aggressive travel schedule in july 1 that will take the president, the vice president, and the first lady and the second gentleman to every battleground state. so let's bring in cnn politics, white house reporters, stephen collinson mega hayes, former special assistant in to president biden, and lins over former spokesperson for doug programs, 2024, presidential campaign all right. i want to start with you, stephen yesterday or biden and talking about how trying to shore up his concerns about his mental fitness. but he also made a joke to a group of governors that didn't go over. well, he said quote, i'm fine. i don't

know about my brain though. what is the state of play for the president right now? >> the problem for the president is a week ago, after the debate, we were sitting here talking about all of these questions about his fitness, his mental acuity. an opposition was building within his own party to the idea give him continuing to be the nominee everything the white house has done and everything the president has said since then, has exacerbated this question. it hasn't made it go away. it's still a big question that's why the interview with george stephanopoulos on abc tonight is going to be very important. the present is traveling this weekend. he's got a big night so summit next week, which will allow him to adopt the role of a statesman. but there is also a press conference there that is going to be very closely watched. you saw those remarks last night. everything the president does and says now, is under an extreme microscope and any mistakes he make play into this narrative that people, a lot of

voters can't see him being president in a second term when he's 86 and the political problem has not going away. it's got worse if anything and lance, this aggressive travel schedule, is this the right move at this moment? >> we doesn't really have a choice at this point. i mean, he's gotta get out there and try to stop the bleeding. the problem is, as you do to flee noted, they've not stop the bleeding you've actually made it worse with these comments about eight no meetings after 8:00 p.m. and democrats are reaching an inflection point really coming up really fast. the polling shows that donald trump is leaning by six points. that is a massive lead in today's political society with their convention coming up. i mean, if you went into election de and donald trump's up six points, you're talking about a blowout of epic proportions. so that's why they're really on o'clock. he's got not just stopped the bleeding, but really turn the ship around and i'm not sure that he can do it. >> megan, a california governor, gavin newsom weighed in on these comments about biden wanting to get more sleep. i want to take a listen to that get his schedule, look

at the fundraising things that you don't see, all that work, the work you're doing behind the scenes, a phone calls, you're making all times a night. >> alliance management, everything's doing to prepare for nato on this week work, they're doing landed deal with hamas and israel so that's called human and god bless. i like when i'm present, acknowledges their human the biden campaign put out a statement referring to the fact that former president george w bush went to bet at nine, barak obama had dinner at 6:30 our comments like this, well humanizing, are they helpful at this moment? no, but i also think that people need to realize that the president is very sarcastic. he's making jokes, they've said they've reported now that he said i'm joking after the brain comment after the sleeping comment is not unlike the president to be sarcastic and make jokes. and this time it's bringing him, he's making fun of himself, which i actually do think it's human, so i do think that they've comments need to be taken into context, but also he needs to be out there. he needs to be doing these things because people need he needs to be showing the american people that he could do the job that

they're going to elect him for. so they don't have a choice but to get him out on the road and to be doing things and to be fair to him, he after the debate, he went to two different watch parties whose at the waffle house and a different watch party. he then landed in north carolina. he greeted to voters on the tarmac at 2:00 a.m. in the morning, if not like he is not doing things. it's just now he's under such an extreme microscope that it's almost you can't reach perfect every single time and that's what people are expecting. and that's just not a fair standard for him. does he need to be better and to curb some of these things and be out there. absolutely. but he needs to take this to the american people. well, i sitting back here, commutating on it is great and helpful, fine. but that's actually not who mattered at this. it's the voters, pardon partners, part of the problem here though is you have other democrats, house and senate. people are calling on him to step aside. you have a senator quoted yesterday saying what i saw in the debate is what i've seen over the last two-and-a-half years these questions that's not helping him as he goes forward, no matter what he tries to do with ai center to be here only two members have called for him to step to step aside. i think

people are wedding. let's play out and letting him do his interview, go to nato have his press conference and give him an opportunity which they should be. he's earned that respect here, so i do think that we need to the interview tonight is a crucial playing for him. >> yeah. and let's revisit this interview tonight. the most significant moment for the biden administration really in years. >> yeah. i'm one of the most significant moments in the 50 year political career in washington of the president. let's face it, he's done probably 100 of thousands of interviews none of them i don't think again, me as closely as watched here one of the problems and debate was that the president wasn't able to either layout a strong detailed case for what he would do in a second term and he wasn't also able to effectively prosecute the case against donald trump, which to be fair, he has been doing for the last year yeah, he's been arguing that trump would be a massive threat to democracy and american values. and the soul of the country. if he can do that while it's only a

television interview, it's much different than a debate he could probably at least get some good headlines and by himself a little bit of time the problem is that a lot of these democrats are coming on tv talking about this right now, even the ones that are supporting him as saying he's got to do a lot more. so unless he starts to deliver with a lot more, as you were saying the issue is not going to dissipate. >> and i think he is going to do a lot more, right? what he's wind wisconsin today's went to michigan or sorry, he's going to wisconsin today's went to pennsylvania i'm sunday. so he is he is going to be out there, but i agree. i've been a firm believer. let joe biden be joe biden get him out in front of voters. that's where he does his best. >> we have a lot more to discuss with our panel. >> next, some democrats are already moving on from president biden and wondering who kamala harris, my pick as her running mate plus hurricane beryl losing some steam after leaving a trail of destruction across the caribbean and a stunning landslide victory for the uk's labour party, the prime minister already

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expression, brush and will be closely scrutinized during what is arguably the most consequential interview of biden five-decade career. one bad stumble one notable misstep could spell the end of his campaign. a former president trump is not waiting to watch before already attacking the credibility of stephanopoulos and abc posting the meanest and most vicious interviewer out there is george slop, annapolis of fake news, abc. one of the worst and most vile broadcasters in the business. now, abc and little george, a tiny, angry man, can make up for their pass in indiscretions and journalistic failures by doing a we'll interview with crooked joe. now, i will note that trump's suits stephanopoulos and abc news for defamation in barge for describing him as a rapist. and with that, our panel is back. let's talk about this interview. is this the right

strategy right now? does he have more to lose than to gain? i, he doesn't have a choice. he needs to do the interview. he needs to prove to people that he can go out there and he can have a conversation off prompter and unscripted as everyone. thanks. but he needs to do this and he needs to make it. he needs to take his case to the american people and the best way to do that is through an interview. >> and if he does well use that enough to quiet these critics in these concerns i'm not exactly sure if it will quiet the critics. >> i think that any dumbo, like you said, like last night, he assembled nerves in new york times article that was written. so i just think people need to realize that he is an imperfect person and imperfect candidate, just like the rest of us. so there has to be some gray here. i just think it people are going to look at the content and how he's delivering his message and make their decision from there. >> the real question is, i think this will play out over time. is the cake already baked on this because voters have had concerns about his age for many years. it's been reflected in polling for the last couple of years. then this debate happened. and so it's really about can he get back some of the credibility he's lost

after thursday night, but i really question that because voters have had these concerns. they were kind of confirmed last thursday night. and so i'm not sure that one interview, two interviews going out on the stump is really going to do it, but i do agree with you. he has no choice. he has to go to it and we talked a little bit about what he needs to achieve. what is the number one thing he needs to do? not, not do we know we can stumble? i can have a misstep, but what does he need to get across to voters? >> so he clearly has to change the narrative. he needs to be talking about something else rather than his own personal state, his age is got to move on from that debate. if for instance, this middle east situation appears to improve, that would be something else for the president to talk about. that's why i think the nato salman where he'll be standing with world leaders next week will be a good picture. but to your point voters saw that picture 50 million people had that image of a president who appear to be struggling, emblazoned on their

brains. how a television interview will be watched by far fewer people, even with social media clips and anything else. it's going to require something like that. every day for days and then weeks. and keeping up the pace until november to mitigate the damage has already been caused it's a great point about the size of the audience aren't meant panel stay with me. i know you'll be back because there's so much more to discuss next, israel and hamas getting closer to an agreement on a ceasefire and hostage release plus hurricane, hurricane beryl zeros in on mexico the republican national convention starts monday, july 15th and eight on cnn, they feel one with the secret to a long sustained relationship. >> it's blue xu, blue cheese. i can beat you knew she was an online subscription-based

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somewhere north mexico, south texas as we go into the weekend, possibly as a hurricane regardless of where this exactly makes landfall, we're talking about dangerous recurrence. all weekend for all of these beaches. again, keep in mind it's a holiday weekend, so people really need to stay on alert. paula? elisa raffa. thank you and next republicans already rolling out their attacks on vice president harris. plus alec baldwin headed to trial his bid to have his case dismissed, falling flat. that's coming up in your morning roundup? here's a look at the fireworks lighting up the sky in new orleans. we'll be right back et me introduce

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schools has already moved to who kamala harris would choose as a running mate that's how certain a widening group of leading party officials, operatives, and donors are. but the president's slow start to salvage his campaign just isn't working here's his office updating course schedule yesterday to have her reappear with the president for fourth of july as we celebrate freedom, as we celebrate the promise of america, we also celebrate and express our gratitude to our service members, to our veterans, to our military families. >> and we give thanks to our commander in chief, the president of the united states. the extraordinary president of the united states cnn senior reporter, isaac dovere joins the panel. isaac, you have new reporting about the vice president. what can you tell

us? well, look, joe biden. oh, he says, don't compare me to the almighty, comparing to the alternative, but his problem right now is that a lot of democrats are doing that as they're thinking about kamala harris, they have been really frustrated with a slow start to the way the biden has tried to salvage his campaign. that they not seeing camera hearing him much over the course of last week. and this has turned to a triage situation. for democrats where they feel like they need to move on. it's not going. they don't think it's going to work out for biden a lot of them. and the thing the the most realistic shot that they have a beating donald trump is to move quickly toward harris and to get moving on that right away. and that is yet another problem as biden tries to hold onto his position here. but for the harris world themselves, they are very deliberately ignoring a lot of phone calls and a lot of emails have a lot of texts that are coming in, but there have been a lot of them but it's not just kamala harris who's being considered right. if not her, then who

else is in the realm of possibility? >> well, look, there are other people who get talked about a couple of governors, but the reality is that very few people in the democratic party believed that they have a path to victory if they were to pass over her because of what it would lead to and because of the drawn-out process that it would be and she is their reading in a lot of mines to go. and by the way, i talked to a lot of people who have been very skeptical over the years of her. a lot of people who are way beyond skeptical who i have heard say this things to me about her that had been pretty awful actually over the past couple of years, who are now saying, i'm ready, i'm ready. i talked to the leader of one democratic organization. i said, look for all of it are you see biden's pull numbers? they're not grade her numbers, aren't great. which would you rather in the person said mean, are you kidding? at this point, that person and many others says, it's time to go to harris.

>> well, some of this is also reflected in our recent polling, which has harris inching closer to trump in a hypothetical, one on one match here with about 2% separating them. what do you make of that in the larger context of things, is it easy to be? yeah hypothetical candidate in a one-on-one match with this extend to the election itself. >> sure. it's always easy to be hypothetical if she gets into it, then the attacks are going to come landing on her one of the things that differentiates her friend other potential democratic prospects which is important here, is that she was through a presidential campaign, through vice presidential campaign, she has been vice president, yes, that's built up a lot of bad feelings towards her are among some, but it also means that a lot of the things in her past i have already been gone through. they would definitely get a fresh look but it's different from a candidate who would be new to the national scene, who would be going through that, and who everybody would be going through at a very fast pace. >> the trump campaign already

taking shots at harris isn't that sort of the ultimate compliment i want to watch the new ad that they're putting out and you know who's waiting, right? >> vote joe biden today pamela harris tomorrow so does this suggest that they're nervous about harris taking that spot on the ticket? there, certainly paying attention. when i they the people that we've been talking to in the trump campaign have been a little bit flabbergasted by what happened over the last week. >> they were not expecting that performance it's from joe biden and then we're not expecting things to snowball in this way over the course of the week, but they are now looking at this situation that everybody is looking at, which is that joe biden isn't trouble. he has this interview today we'll see how it goes. has a campaigning that he's doing. we'll see how that goes. but in this may be a campaign that changes in a major, major way very quickly. >> but let's, i want to ask if they were to replace president biden that has enormous political fallout. can you lay

out the consequences of switching someone at the top of the ticket? >> i mean, we haven't seen anything like that. i certainly cannot remember when we had something like that happened for republicans, the problems democrats, the democrats are going to have a lot of problems putting that coalition together and making sure they're unified. that's number one, that's first and foremost the problems are going to have the also have the underlying issues which haven't been on their side, the border, the economy, cost of living, and if it is the vice president, she is going to be tied to who else joe biden. they're going to be questions about the border. they're going to be questions about the cost of living she has been his number two. i also think they're going to be questions for her what did you know? and when did you know it about the president's fitness for office and that will constantly dog heard throughout that campaign. >> how do you think president biden, knowing him as well as you do? would handle right? having to handle himself, having to be removed from the top of the ticket, what he just still fall in line. he's often been underestimated harb and have to take this personally. how do you think you would respond he carries himself with

a lot of dignity and a lot of class and if that is what he chooses to do, he will do that with the utmost dignity and he will, and people will give him that grace. >> i do think the party will actually give him a lot of gray here and i think the media well as well. but if you look back to 2015 when he decided not to run, that was handled with such care and such respect and he handled himself so well during that entire process, i would expect nothing less. see the statesman at the end of the day. he wants what's best for this country until he will do nothing that he will not jeopardize the democrats ability to beat donald trump in november he will not his ego will not take center stage here. well, the pressure are certainly mounting. >> steven want to get some of your latest reporting or you write code. the problem with the president's argument is that the debate debacle has forced voters to consider not just the success of his administration, which are comparable with those of any other modern democratic president. but all also whether they can imagine an even slower and more fragile present being in office years from now yeah, the president makes his

argument as his staff do that 90 minutes on the base age shouldn't define his presidency. >> and a lot of democratic readers of may that argument to me that we're concentrating too much on what happened on the debate, on the president's health the problem is voters are selecting a president for the next four years biden would be 86 at the end of a second term it's very difficult knowing what we do how people age at that advanced age. to think that this is going to get any better. there's going to be moments and there's gonna be plateaus and things are gonna get worse. and that i think is the concern that a lot of others are saying and they've been telling pollsters this for two years neither party has really listened to what voters are saying about the identity of the two nominees and the tickets. this year now i also want to talk about the pressure from donors because as we know, things get real when the donors

start either freezing, their money or redirecting it, abigail disney, the granddaughter of roy disney, who co-founded the walt disney company, told cnbc that she plans to withhold donations. so the party that she has funded for years until biden drops out, this is where things get serious. >> yeah. i look, i talked to a democratic senator who asked not to be identified, who gave me this long extended metaphor that's in the story we're talking about how this is like the quarterback getting his bell rung. they don't know whether quarterbacks going to be able to get back on the field. and then people from the stand start shouting, hey, put in that guy from alabama. the guy who won the heisman last year, and the people on the field are saying, hold on, let's go with the back-up quarterback here. and this is obviously very much with harrison mind, just because the backup through an interception the last time she because that doesn't mean that we switch it out now, she knows all the plays that there is this frustration that is that i get into the story of a lot of people saying to the donors, you need to maybe backup here

and not b put it the pressure on. i think the other thing is that it is hard to believe that abigail disney and a lot of these donors, no matter what happens, are not going to be there with their money to fund the effort to stopped now trump from coming back. so this is yes, maybe over the course in the next couple well day as we will see more of this, let's see where that is in november who would be able to get the president to step aside if, if that's where things got, for example, the wall street journal has new reporting about dr. >> jill biden's dilemma right now, writing locking arms against the world has long been the biden way, but the scrutiny of that approach isn't intensifying as more democrats call and the president to withdraw from this year's contest citing concerns he will lose to the former president as president biden pushes, keep going. some democrats think jill might be the only person who could persuade her husband to exit the race. does this come down to her? no, i think it comes down to the family and his advisors around him with

the president is not a stupid person. he is very smart. he also will do what's best for this country. but again, i think that people would need to give him space to do that. we need to see this interview. he needs to go out on the trail and do this is press conference, et cetera. but the one point i wanted like to make about the donors, if they've already raised an unprecedented amount of money and if it is anyone else, but the vice president, that money goes away. and so that the democrats have really put themselves in a situation right now where we don't really have a lot of options if the president is this upside biden keeps saying it was a bad night, but some democrats and voters aren't buying it. i want to play a sound bite from representative jared huffman from california. so let's take a listen to what he said. >> do we need a reset? we need a course correction. we've got to acknowledge that this was not just one bad night. if president biden decides that in the interests of defeating donald trump and saving this democracy and the free world from everything he represents that he is ready to pass the torch it needs to be and i think should be vice president harris so does the biden

campaign need to change the messaging they need to change something. they need to do i'm far be it for me to give them advice on what to do, but certainly as a pr person, yes, they need to they need to do something really fast because you're going to hear more and more of this out. it every single day with each passing day, because members of the house who are in competitive districts, who are saying it, especially those ones who were in the biden districts that they want are low looking insane. donald trump is leading by six points in the polls right now, as we said earlier, that is a blowout of epic proportions that could be coming towards them. and that's why i think you're going to see more and more of these types of comments coming all right. >> my panel, you're going to stay with me, isaac. thank you so much for getting up early to share your new reporting of it falling your insights. since the debate are, we're shifting to overseas where a ceasefire deal in gaza is moving closer to reality, a senior white house official telling cnn the framework for an agreement is now in place. talks between israel and hamas could resume

as early as today. this coming on the heels of a call between president biden and prime minister benjamin netanyahu on thursday. cnn's paula hancocks joins us now from abu dhabi, hello. what do you know about this framework? >> well, fully what we know at this point is, this is effectively the proposal that has been on the table for some time. so there's three-stage proposal, when it comes to the ceasefire hostage deal. now what we've heard from a senior administration official is that the progression from phase one to phase two has been problematic. that's really where these talks have fallen down before. and that's effectively going from a six week ceasefire with some hostages, some palestinian prisoners released evolving into a more permanent ceasefire with the rest of the hostages being released. that is really been the stumbling block. we understand as hamas has said, that they want a complete

ceasefire and we have heard consistently from the israeli prime minister up until recently that he was not ready to agree to any kind of more long term ceasefire. but now as he is saying, that the operation and the more intense fighting phase in rafah is starting to wrap up, it does appear as though he is more willing to look into this at this point. so when israeli source close to these talks has said that they at this point now the prime minister will be deciding whether or not to go to the next phase. so the more detailed phase, the fact that we know from a source that the mossad director david barnea, is heading to doha. those talks could start as early as today this friday, it does appear as though we are further along than we have been for some time. it is important to note paula we have though, been here a number of times over recent months. it has appeared that we have been close to a breakthrough only for these

talks to stall at the last minute. but the fact that we are hearing from a senior biden and money ministration official that's stumbling block between the temporary ceasefire potentially to the more permanent ceasefire appears to have been bridged, is giving hopes and we're seeing protests on the streets of tel aviv as well, hostage families saying please sign the deal. paula paula hancocks. thank you and coming up a shark attack at a texas beach during holiday celebrations plus a landslide win for the uk's labour party. all coming in your morning more breaking news, we need to share with you this morning multiple wildfires burning in the texas panhandle hey government shutdown is still on the

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has really been a money saver without a monthly subscription was amazing. quarter today at tableau tb.com 49 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup a suspected drunk driver kills at least three and injured six others after crashing into crowd in a manhattan park during fourth of july celebrations last night. one other victim remains hospitalized in critical condition and two people bitten by a shark off because this is a southern south padre island on independence de one of the victims is being treated at a hospital and brownsville, the other had to be airlifted to an unknown facility for further treatment. a fourth of july shooting in yellowstone national park leaves a ranger injured and the shooting suspect dead. the incident taking place near a collection of lodges within yellowstone known as kenyan village. the shooter's identity has not been police. and alec baldwin set to stand trial next week for the

fatal rust movie set shooting a new mexico judge denying baldwin's last attempt to have his criminal case dismissed, the actor alleging key evidence has been mislabeled now, to the uk for the first time in over a decade, the conservative party will no longer control the british government we did it overnight. the labour party's swept into power with a landslide victory. labour leader keir starmer, becoming the next british prime minister. british tabloids telling the story here we go, reads one paper. this stage king defeat ends. rishi sunak's time as prime minister. he officially left downing street and turned in his resignation to the king just moments ago cnn's nic robertson joins us now with the latest on the big changes unfolding in the uk. nick, how shocking is this margin of

defeat for the conservative party? >> it's not unsurprising the polls were predicting it is not as bad as they might have fear, but bad enough. the rishi sunak to come out and apologize isn't say i've done everything that he could and he was sorry and accept responsibility enough that he is stepping down. obviously, not only as prime minister, but said he was going to step down as part he leader following this result i will stepped down as party leader, not immediately, but once the formal arrangements selecting my successor are in place it is important that after 14 years in government, the conservative party rebuilds but also that it takes up, it's crucial role in opposition professionally. and effectively and that's gonna be the big challenge for the conservative party's to make up their multiple differences which have really written them apart and perhaps lead in a large part to their defeat. >> they were 650 seats up for

grabs two are still being counted labour coming in at the moment with 412 conservatives with 121 labour only meeting 326 have a majority in parliament. they have got a raft of changes. they want to make improve the economy, improve the health care system, improve justice and crime also provide jobs in new energy, a agreeing energy sector. so their ambitions are big. the problem keir starmer, the new prime minister, is going to face, of course, is that the coffers are more or less empty. where's the money to do everything he wants to, wants to achieve right now, the handover happening. but she sunak has been to see the king to tender his resignation. next, keir starmer will be going in and the king will ask him to form a government. and within half an hour or so his. starmer will be here in downing street giving a speech, laying out his plan nic robertson,

thank you and my panel is a back so a big night over in the uk, the prime minister moving in already, what does this mean for the u.s. >> stephen? >> very interesting, if there's a message, i think for the u.s. it's the incumbents are in trouble. all over the world. we've seen the far right's sweep to power in a lot of european countries the british voters have decided to go left, not necessarily out of any great love for the labour party. it's because the conservative party has obliterated itself. it was one scene as the world's best election winning machine there have been three conservative prime ministers over the last parliament, as its ribbed itself apart. so keir starmer has a huge job as nick was saying, it's not like in 1997 when tony blair came to power on a wave of euphoria after

years of conservative rule, the electorate is in a very sour mood there are huge problems of public services. the national health service, transport voters are very unhappy and the public finances are in a real mess. so i don't think that starmer, notwithstanding the massive size of his mandate, is going to have a very long honeymoon. >> what do you think this means for us, uk relations, particularly on key foreign policy priorities like ukraine i don't think this changes are relationship with them that we've always been strong allies. it's been one of our longest, how but i do think one thing i found interesting is when the former prime minister kinda took a shot at the u.s. by saying, we're going to i'm going to participate in a peaceful change of power and i definitely think that was a shock to us. and so i think that people should pay attention, that people around the world are watching me now let's say it's some sort of watching what's happening here and sort of taking note of this and kind of making a mockery of our political system right now. >> and they transition so quickly over there. yeah, exactly we should consider what

we talked earlier with one of our correspondence about how 40% of people over their sat this election out. is that something we should be? concerned about here in the u.s. this apathy that seems to be infecting some elections around the world. i think voter apathy is something we've dealt with for a long time here in the united states, that's nothing new. it's what a lot of countries are dealing with. i think part of the issue for the conservative party or their welcome students salts and this is, you've got a party that kinda lost its way. they've been in power for a long time and you see that a lot when one party controls things for a very long time, sometimes they lose their guiding northstar and you have a bad economy. and look what happened voters send a strong message. >> i want to turn back to the u.s. now, president biden and former president trump delivering very different political messages to the people. here's the president at fourth of july barbecue at the white house. let's take a listen all those who served as members of the military were heroes, genuine heroes heroes, her freedom, democracy and

america look now, decades later, rep. >> must look at ourselves and asked a question, well, we stand for freedom again. we stand for democracy. we stand together as, americans. i believe we will and we can a decidedly different tone from former president trump, who use fourth of july to attack his opponents posting this happy for them july to all, including are highly incapable president who uses prosecutors to go after his political opponents also, respect to our new potentially new democratic challenger, laughing kamala harris she did poorly in the democrat nominating process, starting out at number two and ending up defeated and dropping out to our panel is back what do you make of that there's a holiday tradition, whether it's thanksgiving or christmas. so july 4th, but trump uses it to attack his opponents on more serious note, that comparison right there is

what the white house, once in the campaign wants us to see. and that's what we haven't been seeing because of this furor over the debate, if they did move on to a different so many, a younger nominee, maybe that becomes more of the focus and that was what the democrats would really like learns how notable is it that trump is turning his airing of the grievances a different holiday. i realized towards the vice president, i was gonna say donald trump's gonna donald trump, right where this is, this is what we've seen, and they go, it goes back like ten years here's a happy, happy fourth of july to the haters and the losers. this is what he does i'm no one is surprised by it. and this is the donald trump, but everybody that's really the difference, right? voters go into this knowing donald trump, they knew who he wasn't 2016, they knew who he wasn't. 2020. they certainly know who he is now and he's up by six points against job biden what does that tell you? >> all right. tonight, the big interview portions of it will air the sea evening what do you hope to see? i hope to see the joe biden that's clear and

concise and can deliver his message and deliver that contrast. >> i think that it's not just about proving that he's capable of doing the job he needs to continue to draw a contrast message with donald trump. that's what they were doing before the debate happened. and that's what he needs. they need to turn back to that regardless, if he steps aside or not, they need to get back to this contrast message because voters have a real serious choice here and i think that they need to be able to see that. and i don't think we're seeing that right now, quickly. what do you think you're going to see? >> i think we're going to see huge political moment, whatever happens in the situation four months away from election, we're talking about a potential change of presumptive nominees with we've been through an extraordinary run over the last few years and this is even greater than that. i think and last the last word before this highly anticipated a tv moment the president has a very heavy lift in front of him tonight, and i'm not sure it's going to solve all the problems that he has all thank you so much to my panel and thank you to you for joining us. i'm paula reid as cnn news

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