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to take the stage and the battleground state of wisconsin for a campaign rally. >> this stuff coming just hours before his critical primetime intervene and the stakes really could not be higher. it is biden's first television interviews this last week's debate cast serious doubts about his rebuilt is ability to win reelection and serve another term. and as you know, the fallout triggered calls for him to quit the race so let's go straight to cnn's arlette saenz live, boris and madison wisconsin are let what can we expect from the president today kamala weeks next, president biden to take the stage at any moment here in madison, wisconsin as he is trying to reassure voters that he is out for for a second term. >> and also quell some of those concerns from top democrats and donors in his party about keeping him at the top of the democratic ticket. the president has an his team have consistently similarly said, the president plans to remain in this race earlier today. he told reporters that he does

believe he can still beat donald trump in november, but there had been these public and private expressions of frustration as some i'd like to see the president's step aside at this moment in the race. now, the president is about to speak here at this step, this event, bringing his message directly to voters. he will also sit down for that high-stakes interview with abc news. i didn't review likely to be very different from the ones biden it has faced in the past, where he would prepare by focusing on domestic and foreign policy issues. this interview likely will focus on the viability of his own candidates. see now then some time this afternoon talking with voters here in attendance in madison and really there was a mixed reaction. there were some who are furred and supporters they want president biden to remain in this race and see this through but there are others who do have concern about potentially keeping him at the top of the ticket and they want to see how he performs today at this event. and in an interview, take a listen to one of those doesn't

come out since the debate forcefully enough to assert his capabilities the way he needs two to reassure his supporters i think he needs to do more and maybe that starts with today. i know, yes. national interview later there today. so i'll be watching that as far another is also notable comment today from what are the governors who met with biden at the white house a bit earlier this week massachusetts governor haley said today that she he hopes that president biden will carefully evaluate whether he remains democrat's best hope to defeat donald trump in november. that is something that many top democrats have started to express about the president's candidacy. but so far, he has insisted that he is charging ahead, mapping out campaign travel, mapping out advertising blitzes that his campaign will conduct hi in the coming weeks as he tried to take his case directly to american voters freely trying

to send the message that the isa, that he's not going anywhere all right. >> let science thing you so much. meantime, vice president kamala harris and her staff appear to be deliberately ignoring most of the calls and texts coming their way, choosing instead to reiterate, reiterate her unwavering support for president biden, despite that effort, we've seen some notable shifts, some telling shifts in the vice president's movements prince cnn senior reporter isaac dovere has new reporting out today. >> is what are you hearing about? what's happening behind closed doors but look, some of it, it's what's been happening in front of the doors where kamala harris was at the white house last night for the july 4 celebration. >> that was not on her schedule originally for this week. it is not something she's done in previous years, but it is part of her effort to be as close to biden and for biden to keep her as close as possible at this critical moment for him and perhaps for her. but the number of democrats that co2 say to me

that they are not waiting for joe biden to make up his mind, that their minds are made up already, and they feel like this week has left them feeling that they need to move on and that they need to move toward kamala harris as the new nominee to the point that the conversations are underway among a number of top democrats who would be her running mate. that's how far along we are isaac dovere, some fascinating reporting. thank you so much for that. it's no coincidence that president biden is in wisconsin today if he hopes to win in november, the path to victory runs through the upper midwest. >> states like wisconsin, michigan, or must wounds for democrats and the turmoil now hello strategists in those states worried including lawn johnson, he's a former chair of the michigan democratic party, and he is calling on biden to withdraw. he joins us now, thanks for being here. so you're calling on the president to withdraw his candidacy? why are you certain he should step

aside i think what we saw in the debate, it's clear that the president is suffering from cognitive decline and the actions by him, his family and staff since the debate, has only reinforced that belief let me just follow up quickly what do you say then to white house officials and others who might say, look, this was just, you a bad, a bad night for him. >> this is not representative of how he is every other day well, that's a quick way to stop this speculation and that's to have a live press conference unscripted, no teleprompter in the seven days since the debate and nothing has happened, which which would change voters mind here of what they saw. it's reinforcing the speculation that he's not capable of carrying on a campaign that can win the presidency. long, you say that what you've seen from the white house and the campaign

has done nothing but reinforce the narrative that there's cognitive decline with the president. what is it specifically that you've seen that has reinforced that to you? >> well, i mean, again, going back to the debate, we he had trouble completing the sentence. his facial expressions indicate a problem. now, a one-on-one interview or a teleprompter event, or private meetings in the white house are not a political campaign. you've got to go out there and campaign and show the american people given take fashion that you're capable of charging forward and leading this nation and i don't, over the last wee now, we've now had seven days to do that. and that is not occurred and so this sit down. he's very with abc. that's not enough for you to assuage you your concerns well campaigns are given take affairs, a one-on-one interview in a quiet setting with the reporter is not enough to

overcome what we witnessed last week lawn, when it comes to what it takes to overcome that sort of cementing of this narrative around the president that had been around for some time, even going back to last year, remember democratic strategist david axelrod last year had said that biden should re-evaluate moving forward with a reelection bid i'm wondering if there is anything that biden can do at this point that would unravel that. is it. a press conference in which he shows that he's answering reporters questions. he shows a sense of humor. he shows a flair for the moment. would that be enough yeah, a flair for the moment is another way for saying campaign. >> you know what town hall unscripted with questions from an audience, a press conference you know, those type of activities, and we've now had seven days since that last debate and he he's not approached any of those kinds of efforts. in fact, seem quite

the opposite. we're seeing private meetings. we're seeing teleprompter events and that that is not going to cut it and it sounds like to you that's just adding to your concern that it wasn't just a one time event. >> i want to read to you the statement we're just getting in recently from maura healey, of course, the governor of massachusetts. and she says, the best way forward right now is a decision for the president to make over the coming days. i urge him to listen to the american people and carefully evaluate whether he remains our best hope to defeat donald trump. whatever president biden decides, i'm committed to doing everything in my power to defeat donald trump. i'm wondering how do you take that statement? and is that representative of where a lot of the democratic leaders are right now? >> i can't speak for other democratic leaders, but look, this has been a terrific president. he had he'd stopped and beat trump in 2020. he went on to pass more legislation since lbj. there's no doubt

about his past as president. but what we are facing another threat to our democracy. and the question is, can president biden take us there? and what i've seen over the last seven days isn't showing that he can i'm curious, as you sort of describe the effort from the campaign and the white house is as lackluster in response to that disastrous performance. how do you feel about the way that democrats, like governor healy and jerry conley, the congressman from virginia, and others, they've sort of given a tacit admission that perhaps the president should reconsider his stance moving forward is that enough to persuade him you know, i can't speak for the president, but having the governors like this statement that was just made is an important step to take a pause and to ask the hard questions that need to be asked as we go into this ball. >> and this important election night. and i encourage other

democratic leaders to ask the same questions did, did what we see on debate night, was that just a one-off or is this part of the condition in waiting seven days to answer that? to me reinforces that this is a larger condition that we need to be concerned with. >> just bottom line though lawn, do you believe michigan is unwinnable for democrats if biden stays a top of the ticket no, i don't believe michigan is unwinnable, but it's it will be a greater challenge not just michigan, but also in other place dates which by the way, there are now more place days because of the performance that we saw long johnson, great to get your perspective. >> we appreciate you joining us thank you thank you. president biden speaks and wisconsin, he plans to sit down with abc for this crucial interview. airy litter, tonight's still to come. cnn's new reporting now about how and why the interviews original timing, moot. be sure to stay with us a lot going on this hour sunday

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kingston, jamaica. this is cnn president biden's hopes for four more years in the white house depend heavily on this very moment that we're in, right now, his campaign event and wisconsin followed by his one-on-one interview with abc's george stephanopoulos. it'll be the president's first unscripted tv appearance since his disastrous debate performance last week. the interview is set to air in its entirety tonight as a primetime special. joining us now to discuss, is cnn media correspondent hadas gold, and cnn senior political analyst, gloria borger first. i want to go to hadas because this the airing of this interview actually moved. it was set to be aired on sunday, and instead it's now airing in its entirety tonight. why? >> yeah, i've been speaking of sources at abc and this originally was slated as sort of your typical big prime time interview with the president. they were going to tape it on friday. clips are going to air on world news tonight at 6:30

p.m. and then the full thing was going to air on george stephanopoulos is sunday show. but then people at abc recognize the national importance of this interview, how much it means teens for the country and for the voters to see president biden, as you noted in an unscripted moment. and so instead of being seen as literally sitting on this full interview for almost two days, abc also didn't want to be unfairly accused of trying to sit on anything, hide anything. and so when the executives at abc found a prime time slot, because keep in mind he had to move things around on all of the abc affiliates to make this happen when they could find a 30-minute prime time slot. that's when they decided to move it to tonight. so there will still be clips first airing at 6:30 p.m. on world news tonight, but then we'll see the full thing at 8:00 p.m. now, we know it's gonna be about 30 minute long primetime special. that's how long has been slotted. four for all of these affiliates. and importantly, it is going to be aired in its entirety and unedited. so people will get to see the entire interview exactly how it happened gloria, i want to bring you in because

you've covered biden for a long time. where does today rank in terms of how critical it is? for his political fate? i think you'd have to say right up there, i mean, in ad 70, pulled out of a presidential race. remember there was a plagiarism issue, but he was a young senator, chairman of the committee had a lot of work to do. this is a whole different moment in his life. this is something where he would have to come to a decision that this has best for his legacy. and it's best for the country, and it is the best way to save democracy. and it's very difficult for any politician, particularly of sitting president to say, i cannot win this race and i would be disappointing. my party. the democratic party presidents are very often surrounded by people who say to them, you're great, you can do it don't worry about it. things will be great. you have to come to a different decision. you have to be able to say to yourself, this isn't

working and it's not going to work for the good of the country and for my own legacy. i have to be able to step away and, you know, that that is not easy it's not easy, it's interesting as we were talking to evan knows earlier in the show who of course has written books about biden and 70 his life. and he said he he's been pushed up before politically and he does not want to be pushed out again, right? that's kind of his instinct is i don't want to be pushed out, but also so much about campaign is about conviction i'm saying in it, we're going to fight. we're going to win and it's so hard to make that term. >> i think there's a sense from the sources i've been speaking to that biden season, unfairness and all of this because by by all accounts, he's been a good president for democrats and he's achieved a lot. >> and if it were just his record and he were 50 or 60-year-old man. this wouldn't be occurring, right? but there

are different reasons for this. and i think that's very hard to accept and very difficult. and also he's got a family particularly his wife and his son, hunter, who really want him to stay in the race. and those are very important people to him. i mean, the other important person is his sister val, and his best friend, ted kaufman from delaware. and i don't know where they are on this. so those are the people who will be listening to and sort of his inner personal circle as opposed to his inner political circles are reporting indicates that soon after the debate, the family rallied around him and told him to stay in it, an and to fight. notably, to your point, evan, as we were speaking to him, said that biden felt that he earned another four years based on exactly his legislative achievements i'd also i want to go back to you because it's not just biden under the microscope for today's interview. george

stephanopoulos of abc. he's already being targeted by republicans i mean, this might be one of the, if not the biggest interview of george stephanopoulos is career so far is being seen almost as carrying the mantle, maybe in a way for all of these white house reporters who've been chomping at the bit to get, to get to ask president biden questions they were asking in the briefing room why can't breath and binding just come out here and ask questions for us. >> so a lot of eyes will be on on george stephanopoulos, the types of questions he asked. he doesn't have a ton of time. he has less than 30 minutes to get this interview done now it's kind of ironic because george stephanopoulos himself is a former white house communications director. he knows what it's like to be on the other side of this in moments of crisis and in an ironic twist, you know, he's been in a very similar situation. on the other so i am in a major interview because when he was advising then presidential candidate bill clinton in 1992, there were accusations that bill clinton had had a mistress and they decided to put bill and hillary clinton sit them down to do a 60 minute interview on the day of the super bowl. and actually

george stephanopoulos writes in his memoir, we bet a whole campaign on a single we'll interview. now, you can imagine that for the biden campaign, they might be betting their whole campaign on this single, single interview tonight with ironically, george stephanopoulos. >> we just spoke to a lawn johnson. he's a former michigan democratic party chair who is calling on biden to be more aggressive in the response to the debate, to do a press conference, at a town hall, even 30 minutes. is that enough time, gloria, to change? >> i really don't think so. i think look large number of people are going to watch it. it may change people's minds. it may reassure some people. but i think, you know, one interview just isn't enough. you know, people have to be able to observe the president in different kinds of situations. you're going to see him doing a speech. now i presume he'll be on prompter so you really have to have more access to this president, which

reporters have not had and i remember during the last campaign, the people running the biden campaign were like, let's put them in all these towns on halls. he does great in town halls. and so he did a lot of town halls. we haven't seen that lately. so the question is, what is joe biden really like now? and we don't know the answer to that. and i'm not so sure we're going to know the answer to it. after the stephanopoulos interview, i think we'll know more but i don't think we'll know everything. a lot of people want to know and the reporting not today from arlette saenz, is that now the campaign's going to put them out more? yes. more. put them in settings where it's it's more comfortable off the cuff kind of situation we will have to see. yeah, we'll have to see we'll have to see how he does and we'll have to see how the public reacts to it and, you know, time is an issue here. you can't spend the next three weeks doing i think i think that decisions have to be made

sooner than which we just heard from the democratic congressman gerry connolly, right? the next few days are critical at all because, because you're talking about down-ballot races, and joe biden cares a lot about that. he doesn't want to be the person responsible for not being able to take the house back, for example, for the democrats or losing the senate again all right, so those are arguments that could be made to him. all right. everyone stay with us. we're still waiting for president biden to address voters and a crucial swing state of wisconsin. part of his bid to reassure voters and his party that he is still up for the job sunday, dr. sanjay gupta reports i'm going to spend time here with this world war noun doctor believes he's figured out a way, not just to prevent alzheimer but to reverse it, is their new hope for the devastating effects of alzheimer's reversing, something that seems so preordained. >> it sounds extraordinary. >> plus a very personal medical assessment. i've come to

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brand the lead with jake tapper next on cnn we have been following what could be the most consequential day of joe biden's political life today, he is in madison, wisconsin, a battleground state set to speak to supporters. >> and right now we've been monitoring governor tony evers and sabrina jordan as they

prepare to introduce president biden. obviously this comes at a difficult time for his campaign in which there are many questions, even from democrats about whether he should potentially step aside as the top of the ticket. yeah, that's right. and you know, david chow and i want to bring you in because we are watching the stage here as we await for president biden and we'll be watching it through a new lins then perhaps we would have before the debate. >> yeah, no doubt about that. we'll be watching every bit of his body language, his ability to be energetic and speak with force and intelligibly and all of that. but i also, while i totally agree, this is a day of big tests for joe biden i'm not sure that it is make or break. i am beginning to get the sense and democratic circles that this cake may be baked to some degree, i am having a very hard time finding democrats plugged in democrats portray a truly viable path to recovery for biden at this point and, you

know, other than perhaps the most inner sanctum i just you heard it in your interview with jerry connelly, you see it in the maura healey statement the governor of massachusetts. this is not a party that is rallying around joe biden this is a party that even as we're waiting his remarks here and was constant and awaiting this interview is actually holding joe biden out there in this state of purgatory. that's not the place that the president is. team want to be. and so obviously, the interview was a complete disaster. any has a meltdown. i think you'll see a collapse instantly. if it's not that it's sort of an okay performance in the interview. i'm not sure that actually saves joe biden at this point because i think there are big questions among democratic operatives, elected officials, the donor class, whether or not even at this stage, a week of this conversation has done so much damage as to whether or not it is recoverable for him. >> we also go ahead. >> they're kinda tip toeing around in many ways, the elephant in the room and a lot

of them don't want to come out and say it right now, they'll say it privately but they won't say it publicly. and i think it may just be a matter of time. yeah. >> we are watching president biden hugs supporters, and shake hands with them as he approaches the podium. before he begins speaking, i want to bring an evan os knows who's standing by four is just to get a reaction to the analysis we heard from david about this cake potentially already being baked yeah, i think that's very much the case at this moment. but we're right down to the moment here. but one person who knows that is joe biden, a lot on the line let's go ahead and listen to the president thank you. >> thank you thanks everybody.

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probably heard that little debate last week can say here's my best performance whatever since then has been lot of speculation what's joe going to do is you're going to stay in the race you're going to drop out. once you go to do. here's my answer. i am running didn't going to win again city president not section american, no small part because you not,

not a joke in 2020, you came through for me i'm a nominee of the democratic party i'm a nominee this part because millions of democrats like you're just voted for me and primaries all across america to be your nominee no one else you the voters. the voters did that despite despite that, some folks don't seem to care who you voted for well, guess what, they're trying to push me out on the race. well, let me say as clearly as i can i'm staying in the race donald trump, i will beat him again in 2020 by the way, we're gonna do it again in 2024. i learned, long ago when you get knocked down, you get back out i'm not

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former trump trump official warned us about how bad trump is, including the former secretary of defense. and even his own vice president. they refused to endorse him says a lot about who trump is it says a lot about what he isn't by the way i couldn't ponder all right i guess i shouldn't say by the way i could be proud of have your support i'm export or grape vice president in states, kamala harris trump is a convicted felon found guilty, 34 felonies trying to hide hush money payments to a porn star another jury found trump sexually assaulted a woman in a public place and has been fined $90 million failure $90,

million. if one of your bank about 20 times, but i don't know this so-called great businessman jose over $400 million in fines after being convicted in new york state of business fraud, already convicted find $400 million donald trump is just a convicted criminal he's the one meg crime wave but trump's biggest lie of all because he had nothing to do with the insurrection of january 6, well solver their own eyes we saw, we send thousands to attack the capitol. we saw police being attacked capital being ransacked the mob hunting for nancy pelosi gallows set up to hang mike pence let me ask you something afterward. trump did on january 6 why would anyone

ever let him be near the oval office again? issue this election is what kind of a bird could be want to be what kind of american do we want to be want to be a country of anger your friend, revenge and retribution. or country of hope and optimism of possibilities. as always hi i want a country or a women have a right to make their own health care decisions american were abortion has been, and women are punished i want america or health care as a right, not a privilege once a throw tens of millions of people who couldn't get insurance. are there other ways in obamacare off of obamacare i want america for the very

wealthy begin to pay their fair share dropbox to give the very wealthy and visual last time i'm out when he was president gave me $2,000,000,000,000 tax cut created a largest deficit any president has in one term now, evs announced he wants another 5 billion, trillion, trillion, not billion, five a trillion-dollar tax code after already leaving the largest deficit. if i miss hard to make this up i want to protect social security and medicare. he wants to cut social security medicare sorry. can cut taxes for the very wealthy i want to ban assault weapon require universal background check no hard to promise all alright. thomas national rifle association. i will do nothing about guns. that's what he said i will do nothing about guns any means i want january 6 insurrection is to serve or false prison terms suppose the

pardon you can't be pro insurrectionist and pro-american at the same time this is so serious. you can't love your country only when you win look, you miss stand alone let me close with this oh, let me hold on me. to barrick your presence. he's about character to character the president holds the job because when you're immunities. he's talked to them extreme court just talked about it gets down to that this down about honesty it's about the presence, decency integrity, do their respect people, order. they cite violence and hate can they honor the wrote to the constitution and hold or oath of office? why don't think it's an exaggeration is yes,

trump has failed on every one of these character tests, everyone and what's worse is supreme court is just ruled hello to virtually no limits on the power of the presidency. i know it sounds bizarre, but that's where they ruled a frightening decision according to the extreme majority of the supreme court president is now above the law. we just celebrated fourth of july saying we will not be ruled by a king this supreme court he appointed prove this law it's a dangerous precedent, especially abdomens because we turned to the presence. just take about the second term. this next term. whoever's a president is going to point at least two new appointees a second trump term where there are no limits supreme court justice sotomayor, and warned us about that and her dissent in that case. she noted the base gotten majority decision trump could take out his

opponents, be physically take them out take bribes later, it'd be immune ever being held accountable for it. if he did it while he was president. according to the supreme court where the hell are we? so he really could become a dictator that he promised to be on day one for over two centuries america has been a free democratic nation i'll be dan via 2024, just two years before 250 then anniversary of israel as a nation, i'll let donald trump take this away this is not my verbally this race is about our freedom it's about our democracy it's about the very soul of america or

prepared to fight for that i know i am and i never heard more optimistic about america's future because the american people are decent, good, honorable just to remember who in god's name and rawr were the, you united states, america think about, think about literal term there's nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we stand together so when i stand together with this election and exile, donald trump politically thank you. >> let me say this as clearly as i can. i'm staying in the race. president biden in madison wisconsin acknowledging his lackluster debate performance last week, saying it was not his best but saying,

quote, my answer, i'm running and i'm going to win again. wasn't an acknowledging that there are questions about his future at the top of the democratic ticket. even saying there trying to push me out as someone in the crowd, as he was walking out, unfurled a sign that said, quote, pass the torch, joe, right into the question is as we watch his campaign speech, their gloria borger is how much did that matter? how much does that ease the concerns of those that person there who unfurled that banner saying pass the torch, we've this was an energetic speech he made the case against donald trump and it was an audience that was with him 100%. and he was on prompter and did very well and made it very clear that he wants to stay in the race. and when he said they're trying to push me out of the race my question is,

maybe you guys can answer it who is they? is they the democrats were talking about the donors were talking about the people who watched the debate, who were upset about it he wasn't really specific about that, but then he made the point i'm not which is a point that but his wife made i'm not going to let 90 minutes. a 90 minute debate wipe out three years of work and then went through a litany and said, you know, they say i'm too old. but was i too old to create jobs? was i too old to beat pharma? and then he went on and on and on about his accomplishments and and then talked about what donald trump would do. so i think you'd have to say this speech was defiant david here on perfect. >> yeah. no. he accomplished two of the things that he set out to accomplish show that he has the energy and capacity to wage this fight and by, i mean, this fight the contrast with

donald trump. so by being energetic, that's one thing show he's got the energy for this. but taking it to donald trump nearly throughout the entire speech, other than, as you said at the top bores the news of it that he wants to go down is i'm in this i'm digging in. my head is down. i'm not listening to any of these calls to get out of the race. all of that was clear. now the question becomes does a 17 minute are 18 minute energetic speech where you are reading from prompter and taking the fight to donald trump in the way democrats want to see. does that ease the concerns? i don't know that we know the answer to that. i mean, we're going to wait for a couple of things to happen here. obviously this every was happening, but i think the next two big things that we have to watch for here, the return of members of congress to capitol hill next week after they've been home for fourth of july recess, heard from a lot of democratic constituents and what that told them, especially the democrats in battleground

districts. and especially on the house side, because the house for demo pratt is actually within grasp of the majority of this november. and if that is slipping away that is going to be a big, big area of concern. and then the second thing is these battleground state polls. we've seen a lot of national polls come out since but the debate wait for next week in the round of does wisconsin still look like it is well within grasp or does it look like it's slipping away? do states like minnesota, new mexico, new hampshire, virginia, look like they're actually becoming more competitive and not being put away. and the battleground map is expanding. if that is the case two, i'm not sure these 17 minutes of a very energetic speech giving the kind of fight that democrats want to see will be the only thing that he and the campaign and the white house need to do to quell those concerns. >> and hakeem jeffries is going to be very important here in terms of the house because he's talking to all of his members and he's going to hear from them about whether they believed that joe biden is

going to drag them down now, you hear this speech as david was saying, as i was saying, is energetic. he did a good job with it. but i think the reality is, how is it going to affect? democrats down-ballot? and this is something biden cares about. and we don't know the answer to that. we don't. and what i'm wondering is we obviously see the polls, but earlier before we heard from president biden, you said david that you're hearing from your sources that basically the cake is baked, right? and you see someone there with that banner that they unfurled saying pass the torch and i'm wondering how prevalent is that sentiment among i want to be clear when i say the cake is baked, i don't think that that's joe biden's perspective obvious. >> clearly i've used the decider on this, right. what i'm describing is what these democratic donors campaign operatives, elected officials in the last 24 hours of conversations have been saying to me, obviously, all eager to watch today and see this interview but that has been the

totality of the kind of conversation that i've been hearing from those folks is raising the question even with a good speech, even if he has a decent interview, is this actually a recoverable candidacy to be in contention with donald trump? and quite frankly, us jerry connelly that earlier democratic but remember from virginia, and he said, we don't know the answer to that. that doesn't sound like ringing confidence to me in this moment to that point. another thing connolly said that i found interesting is that he had not seeing the outreach that he would have liked to rank and file members not only from the white house, but from the campaign to get consensus. quickly, we have evan austin os with us. he's been standing by oven how much do you think this speech? matters in the calculus of biden's decision because obviously it was a fiery speech, but we saw him give one in north carolina a week ago it was only about 20 minutes. i can imagine that there's 50 plus million people watching the friday after fourth of july. the way there were for the debate. how do you think

this fits into the bigger picture? >> well, it was a feisty speech and the top line, of course the thing he wants people to come away from this width is that he's not getting out and it was interesting as, as as gloria mentioned, this question of who is he talking about when he says they're trying to push me out, you heard him making an appeal to the public, in effect to voters saying voters we're the ones who put me here voters and all these primary states. >> so in a way, this is him, joe biden saying, i understand i recognize this is the moment of great parallel for his candidacy, for his campaign. and in some ways, i think i heard him use a tone that he probably should have been using six or nine months ago when he talked about age total, embraced it and he said was i too old for it? put the first black woman on the supreme court instead of kind of dancing around the issue, own in monat early might not have solved this problem now, but it would at least have changed the way in which this moment is now unfolding because it would feel like less of a shock. i think

this doesn't change the game him he did no harm today. he performed well in the format, but he has a long day ahead of them, right? >> i think he was also trying to make the point and correct me if i'm wrong here, that i'm the nominee, i'm the one who was nominated and nobody can take your votes away. yeah. and, you know, don't don't forget that because if something like that were to happen, the people who want me to be the democratic nominee would be disenfranchised and, he didn't quite come out and say that. but that was his that was his clear implication here, which is look, i'm the nominee. i got the nomination fair and square. this is what the people wanted and they're not they're trying to push me out whomever they are, and i'm wondering evan, as we've run out of time, unfortunately, we have david sad about unfortunately we do have to go sadly. thank you all so much. we always want to go

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