somebody who was getting to know world leaders what did joe biden do? he immediately hands kamala harris for her first assignment fixing the conditions such as poverty and violence that lead migrants to flee north to america from countries like guatemala to begin with. you're left with what is the benchmark of success for something like that? the reality is, you wouldn't know ten to 15 years but i'm as kamala harris fixing i'll south el salvador in her vice presidency. i don't think so. i don't think anybody was interesting. also, you point out that her supporters were a little miffed all right. how she's been praised for how she responded to president biden afterward. real quick. i am. why why are they upset that she's being praised now? >> because what they saw on television giving interviews on networks like cnn, where she was so widely revered for those

interviews. they say this is what she's been doing the entire time. yeah. they don't understand why americans haven't seen it until now. >> all right, eliana plot color, calabria. thank you very much for joining us. and thank you for watching newsnight tonight. laura coates live starts right now well, breaking tonight, president biden's doctor releases a letter to try to quiet spectrum collection of any parkinson's diagnosis this is biden himself tries to end all speculation that he will not be the nominee also tonight does the debate change? >> in true? trump might pick as his vp, the new case being made against one of the top contenders tonight on laura coates live all right? so it's been what, 12 days now since the debate that launched, 1,000 skeptics well, trump's been laying pretty low hoping that this spotlight that's been over biden won't reveal what maybe

he's working on in the shadows. now, voters, they may have the same questions about both candidates but with only one visible, only one is trying to answer them. and it's led to one particularly frustrated biden president biden has hung as party. it's time for everyone to move on, not from him, but from the conversation that he is fit, he is ready to take on donald trump. and when he believes tonight he got a heck of an assist from that from his personal doctor. i'll explain all that in just a second to you, but first, some context about the moment that president biden is facing. now he says he is done talking about this debate but his party doesn't seem to be on the same page. and what we think about it neither is he. tonight is one example. the president huddled via zoom with the congressional black caucus at their requests. mind you about 60 lawmakers and all were a part of it and they wanted to see him they wanted to hear from him directly in order to see if he can get past what

happened in 12 days ago and the reviews of that call are in several members say that biden i'm quoting here is fit to serve unquote now we'll see if that firewall does hole when democrats gather for their full caucus meeting tomorrow. now if any of them had concerns about whether president biden's health is a concern. they may be breathing a sigh of relief tonight by a rare letter, just out from biden's doctor in it, dr. kevin o'connor tries to end speculation over why a top parkinson's disease specialist would have visited the white house eight times in eight months. he's released a letter saying, quote, biden has not seen a neurologist outside of his annual physical basically concluding, this is all wraps much ado about nothing in this conduct. a very testy exchanges during today's white house press briefing where press secretary karine jean jean-pierre was sparring with reporters about the visits by the parkinson's specialist

hello, president being treated for parkinson's know, is he being treated for parkinson's? no clear this all up just by saying what he was doing here and if it was connected to the president yes. or night i am not going to confirm that a particular neurologist, anybody it doesn't matter if they're dermatologist or a neurologist. i'm just not going to do that on top of that, the white house is also having to defend against questions over whether president biden should take a cognitive test have you had this specific cognitive tests and have you had a neurologist, a specialist, do an examination know no one said i had no instead they said, i'm good. >> why don't you have a cognitive test just to rule out that there are any issues. >> the neurologist who said it is not warranted that look, i'd be happy if both the president and donald trump took a cognitive. yes. what i'd like to see is president biden take

a cognitive test okay. so the operative words here, a cognitive test. but sitting here right now, can any of you tell me what that test would look like? everyone's using the term the thiong get around. they're talking about who need to take one and what, but what does it actually entail? what would it tell you is it's a term of art or does it really mean something? well, me bring in a doctor dr. zayid, naz reid, dean. he is a cognitive neurologist who created the montreal cognitive assessment test. and it was created back in 1996 it's a well-known tool that doctors can quickly use to detect mild cognitive dysfunction the doctor joins me now, dr. nassar, dean, thank you so much for joining. i want to get to the cognitive test in just a moment, but but first, i do want to ask you about biden's doctor putting out this letter tonight which says that the president has not seen a neurologist outside of his annual physical does that for you effectively dispel any his speculation he is being seen for that condition. he's only been seeing for neurologist as

a part of a physical yeah. >> i mean, it is reassuring if the neurologist didn't have to see him many times if they saw him just once during his annual physical, it's reassuring. it could be that judge just checked for them that condition ended, didn't find anything significant, or they might have found something that is starting but not enough to be treated for well, let's talk about this sample version because again, i want to go back to what it means to have this cognitive tests. >> i keep hearing everyone talk about it, but here's what a sample version of the test on the screen right now the audience, it includes questions like naming animals drawing a line between a number and the letter in ascending order drawing a copy of acute, explain exactly what this combination of things is testing for yes. >> each part of the test is assessing in different parts of the brain is like a cognitive scan so altered dentin between

letters and numbers is testing executive functions. these are supported by the frontal lobes and the subcortical circuits in the brain. so these are different networks of neurons that are supporting in cognitive processes. some of them are affecting, are supporting memories. some of them are supporting language skills with those special skills calculation, language scale. so it's a test its assessing different domains of cognition that are important for us and that we take for granted and that we need for everyday use actually, we need to remember what we're saying. we need to, the politicians need to remember their promises it's an important part of our cognition to how these functions well, if you have a task that reminds every politician about their promises, capitol hill have never want the world to see that. thank you very much. let me ask you about how this test is actually scored because i do wonder if pip time and time everyone gets something wrong. everyone's going to have a little bit of a memory lapse,

maybe a word won't come to them how is this test scored? and what's considered a score that's not normal, that would give you concern i mean, it's this has been validated thousands of patients at pass this test and determine the ones who have above 26 out of 30 are considered to have normal cognition she get less than 26 out of 30, europe becoming you're probably have called it a impairment. >> it doesn't mean you have like a neurological condition, but it does point that there's cognitive impairment and we need to do more investigation to determine the cause is it common that everyone at some point in their lives, as they're getting older in age, would there be a normal trajectory of cognitive decline or you're saying this test would specificity test people where it's in the abnormal range? yeah this test is usually done by the clinicians to try to distinguish patients

who are complaining about their cognitive difficulties, but they're still actually very functional, very autonomous, and it does reassure those patients that they're not actually on the decline and they are just experiencing just age-related cognitive changes. that you're saying what you just said, that it's for patients who are expressing concern is it given even regardless of a patient expresses that concern or that be a common thing to give it's not as common, but the american academy of neurology did recommend, after 65 that you should be doing this in an annual way to access your cognition. >> and i think it's not unreasonable to do that do you recommend that? >> and you've had said that you think that president biden should take it. what do you say that? >> i mean, when i observe president biden's performance in the debate and even in the year before this debate, he was having sometimes difficulty keeping his train of thought. sometimes he has slurred speech

sometimes is fine, having trouble finding his words. so it does suggest maybe there's some common the impairment happening, which is difficult to tell just by looking at tim on the video clips, we would need definitely do more testing. we want to be reassured about his cognitive performance telling me that this letter this evening and many people are pointing not only for this test to be given to one person, but also the former president i'd say it's donald trump as well, really helpful to get this context of what the test is used for and how doctor, as i aaden as for dean. thank you for joining me this evening we sit pleasure, laura, thank you for haley well, here to discuss more is cnn political commentators, bakari sellers and scott jennings, glad to have you both here this evening and welcome. >> let me begin with you tonight. bakari good to see you. dr. conley is making clear in this letter that president biden's exam found no signs of parkinson's. he was not tested outside of this physicals. he's not on parkinson's medication. you heard from a doctor just now that it's

reassuring to know there was not multiple visits within the same span of a year and beyond. why do you think the white house chose maybe to release the information this way? and at this pace well, first of all, i think it's patently absurd that we're having this discussion to be completely honest with you. i think we're chasing this rabbit of the new york times saying that he believes parkinson's expert visited the white house eight times without even corroborating that with whether or not the president was there or who that doctor actually saw? it's extremely clear now that he did not see the president of the united states and to use visitor logs to simply say or deduce that someone has parkinson's is not journalism is beyond the pale. we spent more time talking about joe biden's age than we have project 25, then we have the chevron ruling than we have what the supreme court did about presidential immunity. and i think that's a disservice to a disservice to voters in this country. i mean my, my disappointment comes with yes, we got our behind

kicked in a presidential debate up down left, right, and sideways. president joe biden is old. he is old. but there is an argument about policy and what he has done in the question that people have to ask themselves, the question that the mainstream media is not asking themselves in journalists are not at let's get himself about his ability to lead. has he not lead us from covid? has he not lead us to a bipartisan infrastructure bill? has he not lead us to a bipartisan infrastructure reduction act? has he not a selected a black woman as vice president as he isn't not put a black woman on the supreme court. i mean, let's talk tangibly about the things that he has done. yes, he's old the question is do you want someone older? do you want a sociopath though? that is legitimate the question, but we still we are harping on this mainly because there are a lot of journalists within the beltway who feel as if somehow they've been lied to or portrayed and their emotional and that emotionalism is not journalism but instead, this is what we get. now we're chasing his rabbit of whether

or not the president has parkinson's because they had an expert in parkinson's come to the white house eight times. but yet this president of the united states literally signed one of the most landmark and consequential pieces of legislation on parkinson's research. and so i just find it to be absurd i hear your points, bakari, and certainly i don't ask the questions out of emotion. >> i don't began to diagnose a president. i'd states, but certainly this idea, scott, of having cognitive tests and the statements being made, asking for them, calling for them, and you have a letter from the president's doctor undermining and saying that this is not actually necessary and you've got this cognition tests as part of that why to bakari's point, why do you think this continues to have legs and frankly, the white house responding and putting this forward and ways we haven't seen from his predecessor offering a candid or

transparent statement about one's health. why do you think he continues to have legs well it has legs because everybody saw what they saw at the debate. >> and then subsequently we've learned from all kinds of important journalism and a wide variety of outlets that there has been a widespread attempt to cover up just how bad the president's condition is whether you call that condition as bakari, just it just being old or not, he clearly has limitations that the reporting is he's not very good outside the hours of ten for the reporting, is he often forgets people that he should remember in meetings, there's reporting in the wall street journal tonight about some of his slip-ups in meetings with world leaders, including the german chancellor, where he didn't show up for a meeting on an overseas trip. and obviously, joe biden has limitations. so the reason it has legs is because we're having an election and we're trying to assess the fitness for office of these two men and bakari wants to talk about joe biden's record. and i think that's it's perfectly good

fodder for the election. of course, that doesn't get you very far when you consider he's got a 37% approval rating his entire record has brought him to a 37% approval. and now his fitness is on full display for the american people. that's why it has legs and that's why he's losing this election right now to donald trump. >> well, bakari, let me ask you on this point and i don't begin to believe that a 90 minute window should give you full insight into one's tenure or be predictive and every capacity anymore than one isolated poll would do so but i do wonder the idea that he is answering the questions talking about it, not simply because of the media, but there are democrats who are talking about this that are having conversations about whether they believe he should remain on the ticket and if he does, how they can course correct effective way to address the points that you have raised and emphasis on donald trump

pointing out that we have not heard from him, that he seems to be somewhere in the shadows watching what is imploding in terms of intraparty disputes. so how does the democratic party, given that he has said he's not stepping down? how do they course correct. to address this campaign and the candidacy of trump in the way you've articulated let me read a quote though. >> it says gettysburg. wow, i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania to look into watch and the statement of robert e lee, who's no longer in favor, did you ever notice it? he's no longer in favor. never fight up peel me boys. never fight appeal. they were fighting appeal. he said, wow, that was a big mistake. he lost his general, he lost a great general. never fight appeal me boys but it was too late. that literally makes no sense. and that's the 45th president of the united states. that's a quote directly from a stump speech of donald trump and so yes, i think that there are a lot of people who i do not want an a fox hole with me who are part of the democratic party. i

think there are a lot of disloyal people, and i think this gotch party does something very good. scott's party and he'll tell you they don't really stand for core values of principles. they instead fall in line. there's nobody who will tell you. i will not those calls. that's absolutely well i would say for the record, i would not view that donald trump is not donald trump is not not a conservative. the same person who donated thousands of dollars to planned parenthood is not a court in servet if he's not a reagan conservative, he's not a bush conservative he's not a mitt romney conservative of paul ryan concerned. he's not even a mitch mcconnell conservative. he's not conservative at all. but what they have done is they have gotten in line around someone who abuses every notion of morality. i mean, you've got to realize that every christian conservative you bring on laura, asked them how they felt when donald trump said that he would grab a woman by the and you know what they still did. they voted for him. they voted for and why? because he gave them three justices to abandon

an outlaw abortion. they got in line. we fall in love. >> scott to the point that he's raising, he speaks of compartmentalizing and certainly we heard that a great deal, those who are able to compete part mentalize and decide that even with a list of things that they never wanted it was a cost benefit analysis in the end when you're looking at this from the democrat, he going to ask you to go outside of yourself, the democratic perspective is that what's happening right now in terms? departmentalization or is this somebody who is a strong candidate who ought to remain because, well, if this, he does not remain chaos could potentially consume the convention are you talking about joe biden? yeah. look, i actually think he should remain. i mean, i think he i think he won his primary. i do think the white house may have trim the sails a little on it, but i think he won the primary. democrats had a chance to vote all kinds of people could have run against them and they didn't. but he has the delegates. and so i think it's his right to be the party's

nominee. i question whether he's their best candidate. he still could win. i mean, there is, there's a definite world here where joe biden could win this election. he did after all when the 2020 election and joe biden you know, he's got a bunch of people are going to vote for him who just hate donald trump. and that's condition is not going to change between now and november but at the same time, i do think i think the democrats are finally coming to grips with an honest conversation about the limitations of biden's candidacy. there's more to being the president of the united states than simply not being donald trump. he has a low approval rating. his fitness is being called into question. and now the democrats are in a panic mode. what about it, but it's probably too late to do anything about it. so we're going to have an election between trump and biden. and we'll see if the american people want to return joe biden to the white house and make the decision that they think he could serve for four more years, which candidly, i think anybody who's watched the debate or the george stephanopoulos interview with a straight face could not say

yeah, he looks like he's capable of serving well, we'll see the voters have the ultimate control and democracy and i wonder if they'll jack the 90 minutes are the one-hour nablus, or they'll look at the last four years, will say it's up to them. >> bakari scott. thank you both so much ahead. how much time does president biden have to make his case to stay in the race? meanwhile, we not seeing trump. i repeat where as he been making his case in the affirmative. well, i'll ask democratic congressman greg landsman, who flipped his district back in 2022. next at the ups store, he offer a lot because running a small business takes a lot. that's why we're the things outside the box all the help protect your privacy, school. and they give your business or real student the dress store. so while you're juggling everything else, like the boss, you all here, the extra pier can store. you can count on us as the shredding and mailboxes

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them agrees that they need to defeat trump. what they don't seem to agree on. now, what 11, 12 days after the debate is whether biden is capable of prosecuting that case, effect actively and consistently in the public's eye. take project 2025, for example. i mean, democrats have been shouting from the rooftops that this project 2025 is a blueprint for trump to gut democracy if he wins biden, don't campaign says making product 2025 a household phrase is essential to making the case against donald trump saying quote project 2025 is one of the most effective ways we can make that point and the campaigns online team and their statements, they hammer that point home. biden surrogates. they mentioned every chance they get. but biden didn't mention it at the debate when 50 million people were watching and he didn't mention it during george stephanopoulos interview when 8 million people were watching, he did though briefly mentioned

it this morning morning guys going to give a blank check to the supreme court and you can use his past the 2025 agenda you know, extremely dangerous, gotten extremely dangerous? was that a good enough reference at it? go far enough. and how much to more democrats need to see to feel comfortable about his positioning or to render their opinion. and a final one of that, these are all open questions right now as our why hasn't 2025 and disgust more so, especially for those who were on the fence ohio congressman greg landsman, who flipped his district in 2022, wrote today, president biden has to be able to make this case clearly to the american people. again. and again and again. now is the time for action, but time is running out. what congressman landsman joins me now, congressman, so good to see you this evening. how are you doing? i'm good.

thanks for having me. it's already shaping up to be quite the july, perhaps unexpectedly for a lot of reasons. and we know that the debate is still lingering and biden has gone on the offense at at least i think now 15 times by my account, campaign events, he's had public events. he's had four different interviews as well. since the june 27 debate. what more do you think he has to do to make the case again and again and again, maybe times 15. but he is in fact the right person at the top of the ticket trump is unfit for office. >> he tried to overturn an election that alone is disqualifying and not to mention the fact that a court held him liable for rape, that he's a convicted felon. he took reproductive health care away from tens of millions of women and girls. he wasted trillion ends up dollars on billionaires and big corporations at the expense of the rest of us and the

president has to be in a position to say all of those things and then to offer the alternative which is i am not a chaos machine like donald trump. i may normal pragmatic, bipartisan leader who gets things done, who will strengthen our democracy, restore freedom, building tax code and a an economy around working folks, not the super wealthy. i'm going to do it with character and integrity and reliability him doing that over and over and over again is going to make a big difference whether he's calling into shows, whether he's showing up as opposed to arguing about whether or not he should step aside and sort of getting into it with elected officials. just go tell voters why donald trump is so categorically unfit to be president united states. and what a danger he presents to our democracy and to our lives. >> we know congressman, i think he would probably say, i don't want to put words the mouth of

the president united states, but he feels as though it is the, i think he calls the meat or the elite of your party who is assigning, they know better than he does that they are he's challenging them, relate to then race against him if they do a better job but there's also the idea of whether or not he can shift the focus your things, you're talking about i'm sure he wants the story to be about the things you've mentioned, articulating why he is the better candidate he feels. but there is still this brewing sentiment. it's coming from members of your own legislative branch and to feel as though this conversation is not over and i would say that he actually sent a letter to your caucus and he said, the question of how to move forward has been well-aired for over a week now and it's time for it to end okay. that might be true, but it's not ending, is it because the reasons you're saying he's not articulating enough. >> well, i think partly it's not ending because he keeps talking about it. i mean, you know, and he is being asked about well, sure. i've only

been elected i guess i've been i've only been a member of congress for 18 months, so not long. he was in the senate for decades vice president. now, president you pivot now you start to say, hey look, this has been debated. the debate has been debated. let me tell you what matters most. the fact that donald trump could be president again is terrifying, especially when the supreme court has said hey, there, there are no guardrails for donald trump. if he becomes president, that is a terrifying reality the only thing more terrifying than trump being present united states is if trump has control over all three branches of government, if if he and those who follow him have the court have the presidency and have the house and the senate. i mean, that is when our democracy and our lives are truly up ended. and to be able to continue to talk about those things thanks. it's something that certainly the president can do. all i'm

encouraged him to do. and i think my colleagues are saying like go do it, just go to that congressman, excuse me. is there a deadline by which you think? no fish or cut bait? i mean, i don't mean like by noon or high noon look, he's got coming up the aren't the republican convention as next week. >> so that that i would assume give him an opportunity to talk about how unfit donald trump is to be president every day, every, every ten minutes of every day and that is why i think those of us who are speaking out are speaking out because we're were very worried. we care deeply about this country. we care deeply about our districts. we care deeply about our democracy. we care deeply about freedom and what was taken away from women girls we care deeply about this economy and fixing it for working people and we're back home hearing from folks that they're scared. i mean, genuinely that's what i hear is that there's including some republicans democrats, independents, and some

republicans are saying, we do not want to go back to the chaos of donald trump would bleed, with president biden no longer being on top of the ticket, would that contribute to some of the chaos and concerns if your constituents are will that alleviate it? >> yes. a great question. i think the thing that would alleviate it right now, because the president has said he's not going anywhere as to just go out there call into his many places as you can as many town halls, rallies and make the case there's a big meeting tomorrow. leader jeffries will obviously lead that. do you have any concerns or expectations of any kind of how that meeting will result, do you think the democrats are unified behind that common goal? use? dead about trump not being the present united states again, and are the unified in the vehicle by which you get there? >> yeah. i think with the exception of one member everyone is unified. i mean, this is why there's this sort of, i guess panic worry within the party, but across the country it's that's how scary

a trump presidency is. and so there will be agreement in that room tomorrow that we have to do everything in our power together and not just to ensure that we keep donald trump out of the presidency and a way from a bending our democracy and our lives but that we're in a position to take back the house so that we can govern again. >> well, we'll see what happens if you want, you want to invite me up, be with you in the meeting that's fine. if you want to make right. i'll be the fight. what will be next? so either way it's good with me congressman. thank you so much for joining shoes, even i appreciate it well, the clock is ticking for donald trump where, by the way, is he to pick a vp candidate and a new op-ed? suggests there may be a reason for trump not to pick senator jd vance. we'll talk about it next i love milwaukee. cnn is live from milwaukee as republicans unite behind their nominee, his vp, and their

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vance, or even members of the house, they lack experience and wouldn't be a reassuring contrast to vice president kamala harris unquote threats and molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, and bryan lanza, former deputy communications director for the trump 2016 campaign. me begin with you for a second. brian here because i wonder what you make of this editorial and the idea of jd vance, the senator not being as enticing in their editorial decision and opinion. >> well, first of all, thank you for having me. i listen. i think it's pretty clear that senator vance is sort of this not appeal to the corporate types that read the wall street journal in sort of that corporate type that has been the establishment of the gop. if he's disruptive, just like president trump. so if you're the wall street journal going to look for something that's not disruptive. you're going to look for something in that status quo. you're going to look for something that actually american people who have not rejected for two nearly three presidential elections. so wall street journal staling the recommendation, it's we're not

surprised because that's what they depend on. they his hand on the sort of the establishment business type. you're putting corporate interests ahead of american interests and certainly ahead of the interests of voters and penalty so van, ohio and michigan. and so i'm not surprised by it and we'll see more of these sort of nigerians come out because jd represents probably the first threat to a structural change of the republican parties economics going forward. and that's scary let me ask you because you've got to piece out today about vance's sort of ascendancy to the shortlist i mean, there are a number of people who were on the longer list and you write about how he sort of rocketed to the shortlist how did he get to this particular stature? oh, for sure. i just want to make clear that i don't have anything to do with the wall street journal editorial board, which is separate from the wall street journal's news section. and so, you know, the things that ryan is saying about the editorial board have nothing to do with me. i did write it profile of jd vance in the news section and yeah, he's someone who it's pretty remarkable if you think about it, this is

someone who won his very first elected office less than two years ago and now he might be the next vice president of the united states. and the way he did that really really is by becoming the chief sort of ideolog and propagandist for the maga movement. he is a, the way that he describes in his book, you know, having escaped is very difficult, hardscrabble upbringing going into finishing college, joining the marines, going to yield loss school. that same intellect that enabled him to ascend into those elite circles has also made him a very lucid articulate, arguer for trump's policies, sometimes more so than trump himself. and so he prides himself on whether you're talking about in the camp on the campaign trail or in the the senate or on television, being able to articulate a philosophy behind trumpism. and i think brian's exactly right, it is not the philosophy of the old republican party. it is not the

philosophy of mitt romney's gop. it is a trumpist philosophy that, that is much more about tariffs and isolationism and a muscular state intervening in the economy. it is not the laissez-faire free trade and free markets of the republican party of old. so, you know, i argue in my, in my profile that the others under for consideration to be trump's vp would be sort of like pence, a reassuring view too old reassuring gesture to old school conservatives. but if he does pick jd vance, it would be a symbol that he is going on all in on this populist philosophy. well speaking of that, i mean the republican party platform released today ahead of the rnc to molly's point and it reflects the majority trump's ideas. >> there's a softening on abortion language there. the platform says, quote, we will oppose late-term abortion while supporting mothers and policy these that advanced prenatal care, access to birth control,

and ivf. and i wonder, given the dynamic at play, is this going to upset the more conservative factions? of the republican party. no, i don't think so. i think less of the conservative factions, like what the president trump did with respect to the supreme court. and as three nominations and notionally three supreme court justices i think they look at sea at the potential of him nominating more supreme court justices who line up with that. and i think it's important to remember president trump when he ran for president in 2016, he puts together list of people who were going to be, who are going to overturn roe v wade and returned it to the states. so he kept that promise. so the public wasn't scared in 2016 when president trump nope, release these judges that we knew were going to overturn roe v. way, where the public and we're that we're the reaction was, as when the national republicans sort of tried to move it to a federal ban and president trump had the philosophy that let's return it to the states. and so it's a completion of that promise. and that promise was an acceptable term and acceptable sort of position for a vote. just in 2016. and i think it's going to

be an acceptable position for the party going forward. it's changing, it no longer has sort of that far right-wing view on abortion. i mean, trump's position is more and more mainstream every day, which is scares the democrats because they like to demonize republicans down that position. that's not a demonizing platform by any measurement. >> one thing at the debate, we always talk about what biden said at the debate. trump's core moments, where i think people were bristling, particularly was his, where his comments about abortion that it seemed to be out of line with what many voters wanted to have and the polls have said that. and also the citizen ballot initiatives also were a part of that as well. and so i do wonder the more focused away from his responses, the less he will maybe know about those positions. but molly, i mean, the platform only has one line about the national debt and that's where he is touted in the past about his business savvy is economic savvy and beyond saying the republic look ends will immediately stabilize the economy by slashing wasteful government spending and promoting economic growth. those used to be core republican principles, by the

way, i, when i hear that, i think i've heard this exact phrase my entire life. these glad combination of words my entire life without the specificity of the house. so is this a sign that trump's sort of guidance and leadership of this party is complete. >> absolutely i think you know, trump has shifted the focus of the republican party away from the fiscal conservatism of your two a new and more populist philosophy. and so where the platform as recently as 2016 had language about reforming social security to make it physically sustainable. trump has always promised to protect social security, although you could argue there were times when his administration considered other approaches to it and so this plot at form is clearly much more on that page. it also talks about tariffs. so the trumpian economic philosophy, which again is very different from the sort of economic philosophy of like a paul ryan or a milton friedman

is reflected in this document and it really symbolizes the extent to which trump has taken over the party and shifted what it stands for. i mean, one line, we'll see if we hear more at the actual conventions as well, because this used to be the meat and potatoes of what the republican platform really was and their insults the demo well, and i will say i had this conversation with kevin roberts said of the heritage foundation recently and i said, you know, i noticed that when you talk about conservative principles you're not, you don't usually mention these things about small gov government and fiscal responsibility that i'm used to hearing from republicans. and he said it's not that we don't believe in those things. it's that we're in a national emergency that has to do with our border and our a culture and different. it's a different moment that we're in. and when we look at the war's going on overseas and so the argument i think that some of these populist servet it is make, is that some of those issues have fallen down the priority list because they consider other things more essential. >> but we'll have to see if the american voters are convinced molly, brian, thank you both so much and ahead. alec baldwin's

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now, his defense team is arguing. it's not an actor's job to make sure live round or not loaded in a gun now, jury selection will officially start the trial, but it comes after a whole slew of pretrial motions. and today, the judge ruling that baldwin's role of co-producer for the film can't be considered during the trial here to discuss kelly craft, legal correspondent for court tv. she's actually in santa fe covering the trial. kelly. so good to see you. this is really important and this was a very big ruling today that the jury is not going to know that alec baldwin was a producer on this film. what, how big of a when is that going to be for the defense? laura, i think this is a huge win for the defense. we were out here for the hannah gutierrez trial, so she is the armorer who was found guilty, is serving 18 months behind bars, convicted of involuntary manslaughter. and so now we have alec baldwin's trial in one of the things that kari morrissey, the special prosecutor in this case, wanted

to argue was that the buck stops here. this is alec baldwin. he was a producer on the movie set of rust. so he had responsibility the safety of everyone that was on that set. but the judge disagreed and said that the jurors will not hear about his role as a producer on the movie set of rust still just hear about him being an actor on the moon movie set. so it was a huge loss for the prosecution. and as you can imagine, laura thinking about going into this trial, this week and the prosecutorial strategy of talking about him being a producer and all of a sudden that strategy does have to change because of this ruling. >> i'm in the rug pulled out from underneath you if your whole plan was suggest there was responsibility and the accountability and he wasn't just somebody who was handed the actual weapon, but instead somebody who had oversight and some way shape or form for those responsible for handling the weapons and beyond. >> that's a very, very big

deal, is also another ruling though today, kelly the judge specified what videos can actually even be shown in court apparently, she said yes to videos of baldwin handling the firearm on set, but that they could not show videos of him yelling at people on sets like they weren't relevant to the charge at hand, they're trying to paint him as somebody who had a blatant disregard for safety of others onset, maybe it was unapologetic about that. will this decision by the court make their job harder absolutely. >> so again, another win for the defense here because during the hannah gutierrez trial we saw a lot of these videos. laura, as to how alec baldwin was acting on set, how it appeared that he was rushing a lot of the crew members that he was flagging, waving around the guns at times after cuts. would be called. he still would fire the weapon. and so a lot of

these videos are not going to be shown to the jury who ends up being seated in this case. so again, the prosecutor is going to have to really kind of focus on the videos that the judge said are relevant that can come in and can't show all of this blatant disregard that the prosecutorial team wanted to talk about and did talk about during the hannah gutierrez reed trial in which it talked about hannah guterres, but then also talked about alec baldwin and how there was a total disregard for safety on the movie set of rust. as importantly as you've mentioned, there was a trial of the actual armor and two now you've got the sort of the empty chair sort of defense this person who has been held to account and convicted. i'm further to point the fingers as part of the defense strategy, given all these winds. but also alec baldwin, i mean, he is very well known. he's a vet very high profile celebrity, and that contend to complicate jury selection. what are you expecting to see tomorrow? jury selection is going to kick off laura, about 9:00 this morning or tomorrow morning here in santa fe. and one of the things

that we he got to take away from the hannah gutierrez trial, which can give us a little bit of insight going forward here with alec baldwin trial is that they asked them about the media attention how much exposure they had to them media attention during the hannah gutierrez trial, they ask them about that, as well as their exposure to things that were said online and social schatz. so that's of course going to be a big part of the voir deir as they bring in first or going to bring in a panel of 79, and then they're going to weed through those but they have to they're going to get about 50 minutes to interview the potential jurors, and then they have another panel of 80 and then another panel of 80 after that. so a lot of questions probably about if they are gun owners, what are their feelings on guns? what's they're feeling about alec baldwin to put aside those feelings, et cetera. so we'll have to see what happens there. >> this will be a really important kelly craft. thank you so much. it starts tomorrow with jury selection will be watching. thanks, laura thank

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