>> right we are. we've got a minute left. doug, how are you looking at this? >> i think exactly that. how are you going to leapfrog kamala? but they aren't very well known outside of their home states, but they are unavoidable for comment at this point. they're everywhere. and what they're saying basically is, in case of emergency break glass, here i am. they still want to be part of this conversation. >> yeah. i mean, obviously i mean, it's especially for newsom. i mean, the ambition is like almost visible. >> yes. you are not the only person that feels that way about governor newsom. and look, there are a couple of others circulating around too. this is but the conventional wisdom that is settled in for a lot of them is that it probably harry, if we're into the hypothetical here, then harris would have to put herself forward and then sort of fail on her own. it's hard to see that that is where this is going to go. but look, if there's an open primary, let's see who actually would step forward and run against her. >> let's see all right guys thank you very much for joining us today isaac. thank you

especially because it's your birthday. happy birthday. you missed your kid's concert for you is my present. >> so we're grateful to have you go home, talk to your kids. >> have a great day. thanks to all of you for joining us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now. >> this morning, the dam hasn't broken, but there are more and more cracks. now. 17 congressional democrats are joining the chorus, calling for president biden to drop out of the race after the president's high stakes news conference aimed at quelling fears about his candidacy. and we now have new exclusive reporting on what president obama and nancy pelosi are now saying about biden's reelection. >> there's also breaking news this morning of a massive data breach at at&t. >> text messages and call records for nearly all of their customers may have been leaked in what they're calling an illegal download. we have new details and nearly a million people in texas still do not have power now days, and days after hurricane beryl and just as deadly heat is settling in,

the texas governor calling for an investigation into the power company. i'm kate baldwin with sara sidner. john berman is out today. this is cnn news central. >> happening today, a defiant president biden back on the trail as our colleague stephen collinson this morning sums up where his campaign is right now. quote, biden's critical news conference didn't end his reelection, but it showed why it will be so hard for him to save it as soon as biden finished speaking last night, three more democratic lawmakers called for him to step aside, including the top democrat on the house intel committee, congressman jim hime. >> imagine that three months from now, we get another performance like there was in the debate right before the election. do you want to take that risk? i don't. >> well, overnight, cnn

exclusively learned former president obama and former speaker nancy pelosi have now expressed concerns with one another about biden's ability to win in november. more on this in just a bit. but first, let's bring in cnn senior white house correspondent kayla tausche. how is biden himself feeling about his performance last night in that press conference, sarah, i spoke with several white house officials and campaign officials last night in the wake of the president's press conference and the feeling was one of relief, and they were pleased by what he did. >> they felt like he hit the marks that were set for him. but when i spoke to other democrats in the party, they indicated that, yes, he hit those marks and he did better. in the words of one democrat, he did great. but that the bar was much higher for him, given what has already happened and the pressure that has already mounted up until this point. that being said, the president's team believes that he was able to exhibit a little bit of charisma, that he had few

gaffes, and that even where he did have one gaffe where he called a vice president, harris vice president trump, that he was able to spin that moment into something that ended up, you know, working for him, and he was able to make a joke out of it. he even put a tweet out immediately after the debate, tagging on some criticism from former president donald trump, where he called out that gaffe and said, i know the difference. once a prosecutor, once a felon, he acknowledged some of his shortfalls, and he acknowledged that his age might make some things difficult for him. but he tried to clarify a comment that was reported to some that he said to some democratic governors that he shouldn't hold events after 8 p.m. by saying that he didn't mean exactly that he's up for the task in the 24 over seven job of the presidency. but perhaps his staff overscheduled him. here's how the president explained it. >> how often what i said was, instead of my every day starting

at seven and going to bed at midnight, it'd be smarter for me to pace myself a little more. i just got to just pace myself a little more, pace myself. and the next debate, i'm not going to be traveling into 15 time zones a week before anyway. that's what it was about. this was about and by the way, even with that, i love my staff. but they add things, add things all the time. at the very end, i'm catching hell from my wife. >> so that was biden's explanation for why he has been tired at some events. but the tide has been mounting against him and it continues to. you mentioned the three additional democrats who have since come out against the president's. and it's not just elected officials. it's also some of his critical constituencies right before that press conference, it was reported that the united auto workers were having second thoughts about endorsing biden, whom they endorsed last fall after he joined them on the

picket lines because they had doubts about his ability to beat trump. but when a reporter asked biden about that possibility and about the potential to lose the support of the uaw, biden appeared to be learning that for the first time and appeared surprised and said the uaw endorsed me. that's going to be a key question when he goes to michigan today. he's been trying to shore up support among labor leaders this week, but of course, that is critical for him to deliver the state of michigan. >> all right, kayla tausche, thank you so much for your reporting. we know there are some new polling coming out when it comes to michigan. and where he stands in that state vis a vis trump as well. we will get to that in a bit. thank you so much. appreciate your time this morning, kate. >> so now to the reporting on former president obama and former speaker nancy pelosi. cnn has exclusively learned that the two have talked privately to discuss concerns they have over biden and how much harder they think it's become for biden to beat donald trump. neither sure what >> for sure what to do about it. cnn's isaac dovere broke this story, has all of this

reporting. isaac, thanks for coming in. what more are you learning? and has there been any reaction from biden or those around him on this yeah good morning kate president obama and former speaker pelosi have been they've talked, they are worried about what they are seeing. they are not sure what quite what to do about it. nancy pelosi has made pretty clear publicly that she doesn't think biden should keep running. barak obama taking a very hands off so far approach to dealing with biden, trying to figure out how to manage that dynamic. and that is coming at a point when a lot of democrats feel like, no matter what happens here, they need to get to an endpoint of this discussion and put the focus back on trying to beat donald trump they i think that these two are the people who might be able to get to that endpoint. a lot of them hoping that that endpoint would be biden leaving the race. someone who speaks to obama regularly saying to me that his approach to it will be that he's going

to be all in for the democratic ticket no matter who our nominee is, he will be busting his, you know what it's morning television helping to make sure that person wins in november. think to note there that is not someone saying he will be doing that necessarily for joe biden, whoever the nominee is. and these sorts of comments fall on biden loyalists as betrayals. to an extent, and is not the kind of thing that they are hoping to hear from people that joe biden has been friends and partners with for many years and remind people because this is part of your reporting as well of i don't know if you call it the delicate nature of this and having obama step back into conversations about running or not running with biden, given given past history, how much is that factoring into? how? comfortable obama is and getting involved, how comfortable pelosi is and weighing in on behind the scenes, obviously well, look with barak obama, a lot of this tracks back to their long and complicated relationship. >> part of the reason by vomit

chosen for the ticket in 2008 is because obama didn't think he would run for president ever then in 2015, in the summer after beau biden, the president's son died there biden was looking at jumping into the race at the last minute at that point, he has written, biden has written since then that he felt like barak obama was not encouraging of him running obama's view of what happened there i'm told is different from that that he was more saying to biden focus on your grieving, think about how hard this race would be. but that means to a lot of people who know joe biden that they think that his reaction, if barak obama comes to him and says, you've got to step out of the race would be something as one person put it to me that it would it'd be like saying that biden's response would be well, mr. president, you use that chip in 2015. you got me not to run then and that's what brought us donald trump. so really that might lead to him digging in more there are a lot of dynamics at play showing how

still complicated and more complicated even this is becoming, as the days go on isaac, great reporting as always. >> thank you so much, sara. all right. breaking overnight details about a massive at&t breach, exposing the calls and text messages of millions of its customers. how do you know? if your text messages and calls have been breached? and it's day five and still blistering hot in texas where half 1 million people may not have their power restored until next week and actual royalty joins it's royalty to honor top athletes and heroes in the world of sport. that's ahead i love cnn is live from milwaukee as republicans unite behind their nominee, his vp, and their plans to take back the white house, follow cnn for complete coverage. >> the republican national convention starts monday at seven on cnn news central

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he was pressed by british media keir starmer, the british prime minister was president british media, okay. what was your takeaway? was this guy really on top of it did you are you losing confidence in him look, i think the big caveat when you're talking about all of this has to be it would be super strange to have any of those other 31 leaders at the nato summit actually come out and criticize president biden, not just because that's not what you do as a leader to another leader of another country bottom line you know, the democrats are better in the white house for nato than republicans i think everyone gets that at the moment but what a keir starmer saying, he had that most time with we're buying and he said, look, he wasn't guy that i was talking to. we were racing through a number of foreign policy issues at pace was keir starmer's words. and he said biden was on top of it all and we heard the same lines coming from president macron of france saying, yeah, biden was in charge on top of the detail and

they all kind of point to the same thing that president biden had been pointing to it as well, that he'd managed to organize or get through complex issues with nato and deliver on some really substantial points for nato yeah, biden was asked in the press conference about the nato summit and he, and he pushed back and said it was a great summit. ask any one of the leaders what they thought and they will tell you the same. nic robertson. i appreciate your reporting this morning. thank you so much. all, right, breaking news nearly all of at&t cell phone customers data has been exposed in a massive breach what you need to know so about your data and our tampons toxic this morning, a new study found that many popular brands contain dangerous ingredients like lead and arsenic that's ahead i love cnn is live from milwaukee as republicans unite behind their nominee, his vp, and

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what they are calling an illegal download. cnn's matt egan has gathering much more on this. we're hearing some more from the company. this is crazy. yeah. kate, this is another alarming data breach and it's one that impacts millions and millions of americans. so just this morning, at&t disclosed that back in april, it learned of an illegal download of data. the company says they immediately launched an investigation and that investigation has determined that the incident expose the call and text message records of quote nearly all of its cellular customers and the customers of other wireless networks that use its network, this is between may 1 of 2022 in the end of october 2022. now landline customers who interacted with those cell numbers also impacted here. now it's really important to note that at&t says that at this point, it does not believed that the data is publicly

available. but of course, that heavy lean on the at this point, at this point, right? now, let's talk about what is and is not exactly fluted thankfully, at&t says that the content of calls and text messages is not included in this breach. for are the social security numbers or the names of the accounts. now, that of course is good because that would be really even more disastrous. but what is included is the phone numbers and at&t acknowledges that there are publicly available tools that can link phone numbers to names of people. so let me just give you an example. this would not show let's say that you called me at 6:00 p.m. last night, if that were the case, right? it would not say that we talk for 90 minutes or anything like that, but it could show that my number and your number connected dozens of times over the last few months and for a total of three hours. and obviously, that could be potentially sensitive information. look, this impacts a lot of people well, at the end of 2022, at&t listed about

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really speak to almost every aspect of the presidential campaign. that is correct. >> i don't have something to do this weekend. i think you should do it. and then on monday, let's reconvene. >> we shall we because we must do this later today, president biden is heading back on the campaign trail. and what does that political landscape look like on that trail today, the president hoped his nato summit press conference would prove democratic doubters wrong and refocus attention elsewhere. it did for some definitely did not for others, after the press conference, three more democrats spoke up to say that they think he should step aside. congressman jim himes, scott peters, erik sorenson now, at least 17 democrats in congress are breaking from the president. cnn's lauren fox is tracking all of this reaction from last night today and for tomorrow, of course, lauren, what are you hearing now? >> yeah. i think that if there was a belief that this press conference could put any concerns to bed the reality is that it did not stem the bleeding for some about a few minutes right after this press

conference ended, you had jim himes, who is the top democrat on the house intelligence committee they coming out saying that he thought it was time for biden to step aside. now he was pressed on why he waited until after this press conference to put out his statement. and here's what he said. >> this needs to be resolved. i don't know in the next five to seven days because we just went ten days where the story was not donald trump promising totalitarianism. it was, how is joe biden going to do in the big boy press conference? >> and taking a step back, kate, i think it is important to point out that throughout this week, every single day, every single vote series, every single time we're seeing democrats in the hallway, we are posing this question to them whether or not they think that biden can win reelection? and i think what hi speaking to here is a feeling that this is not going to stop and every

high-stakes moment, the biden has, whether it's a press conference, whether it is an event on the public stage, whether it is a private meeting with democrats, they are all going to be watching so closely that i think times his view and the view of the two other members who came out last night. there is a feeling that they have to find a solution sooner than later because the focus right now is on biden rather than trump. and that is something the democrats want to avoid going forward. now i think it is important to point out that we asked leader jeffries graze the top democrat in the house yesterday, where he was and he said he is still talking to all of his members and until he has conversations with every single one of them, he is going to put off having a larger meeting with his leadership team. but once he gets through it, he says that they are going to convene and discuss biden's future. so i think it's important and to point out this is not over yet. kate, the when this is over,

the timing thing that continues to be very confusing to me of when this is going to reach the point where they feel like they have they've decided it's good to see you, lauren. thank you. sir. >> all right. with me now, is democratic senator chris coons, also co-chair of president biden's reelection campaign. good morning to you. senator. i guess the first question to you is, are you still riding with biden this morning i oh, i'm sorry. mood this morning, i said, are you still riding with biden this morning after the press conference absolutely. look, sara, that was an impressive hour long press conference. i'll remind you this week was nato week. there were 31 other nato nations whose heads of state where in washington all, week and several other indo-pacific observer countries. so president biden went from meeting to meeting speech to speech in his official role as our president, while also making time to do campaign events he had a great rally with the afl-cio, for example, in the middle of the day. and

late at night last night, he gave a ten minutes speech about our place in the world, the importance of nato. he would contributes towards security and prosperity. and then took a dozen questions and i just want your viewers to ask themselves this question if donald trump had been on that stage for an hour last night, asking questions from reporters about foreign policy. could he possibly have delivered the answers? our president did. we all know the answer is no? we would have gotten a weird, bizarre diatribe full of vengeance comments about women's appearance strange remarks about inviting hannibal lecter over to dinner, or whether he'd rather be eaten by sharks are electrocuted. i'm not me taking this up. these are things he has said in recent campaign rallies as president biden said, trump has spent much of this last two weeks playing golf, so that we democrats can keep digging a hole and picking on each other and debating president biden

made clear last night as he made clear in a letter to all of us, he's decided he's running for reelection. and when the poll that was just released this morning by, i believe marist pbs, npr shows joe biden tied or leading i see why he has reached that conclusion. there is no big movement in this race. and the ten 10% or less of house democrats are raising questions, don't deserve the same coverage as the 90% of house democrats who are saying that joe biden is going to be our nominee, and that joe biden is the leader of our party, or that are recognizing his incredible well accomplishments as president and working together to move forward on this campaign. >> i want to quickly ask you, because you talked about the poll and that poll said basically 50% of registered voters would vote for biden right now, 48% for donald trump it is also within the margin of error but what there have been

other polls this week as well, one of which says 67% of registered voters said that they did not think that joe biden should run for reelection 56% of those polled for democrats, saying the same thing what is the path forward when you see those numbers, senator of the path forward is that joe biden who ran for and won the primaries in state after state after state. and is the only democratic candidate for president who has a huge number of delegates at our convention next month is that president biden will keep doing what he's been doing the last two weeks after the debate, which i recognized was a terrible performance by joe biden, a shocking performance i urged him to get out and to engage with voters and to do press conferences and deduce smog group meetings. he has in the last two weeks, campaigned in wisconsin and pennsylvania.

he is about to go to michigan for the day today and he has had good all day campaign events he's done small events. he's done large events. he did the stephanopoulos interview on monday in texas. he's going to be doing along interview with lester holt. he has done scripted things like his compelling speech at the nato summit. he's done unscripted things so frankly, i've been urging my colleagues to keep this a family conversation and not work through their emotions and concerns in editorials and public speeches. but to convey their concerns too our president, he has been listening. he has met with and heard from dozens and dozens of leaders, mayors, governors, house members senators. he had an hour-and-a-half excuse me, over an hour long meeting last saturday with all the co-chairs and we represent a broad range of the leadership of the democratic party he is listening to our concerns, but sides still have evidence. let

me ask you. >> there is an but who can be more successful then he can let me stop and ask you this because we have some cnn reporting that there are some angry and stun democrats that are kind of blaming biden's close just advisers for shielding him from the public and for the full extent of what he has been going through, which they call the president's decline one of the top democrats in close touch with biden's inner circle advisors told cnn everyone who expresses any level of suspicion or contrary views, they call everyone and they beat the s out of them and say, stay on message these are people who are trying to get a message to joe biden and they feel like they're not being heard. what do you say to them? >> well, sara, you can put anonymous quotes up here day after day after day, and i can tell you it's not it's not as though senator, it's not just anonymous people have come out eight for you. i'll let you

answer the question, but it isn't just anonymous. that was one person sure. go ahead i'm sorry, sarah. go ahead. no. you ask your questions. >> no. i just said it's not just anonymous. we've said 17 members of congress come out publicly and say this, including a high-ranking member, the top member of the intel committee coming out, jim himes. so what do you say to them? how do you convince them that biden is the person that needs to be have all the horses behind him okay. no. no, that's two different issues. let me speak to the first and then the second. okay you put out an anonymous quote that someone claims that biden's aides are shielding him and beating the stuffing out of them when they try to express something i was personally on a call that lasted well over an hour last saturday where our president kept asking for input, asking for give it to me straight. tell us what you're hearing and i told him

directly, i read him to texts, one from a longtime friend of mine and his who is urging him to get it out of the race. and another from a close friend and supporter who's urging him to fight hard and stay in. i haven't had the experience that if you raise a concern, someone from the campaign takes you out back and works you over. i just don't think that reflects the experience of many in our caucus. your second question, sara was, how i persuade the small number of democrats in the house who are publicly airing their disagreement, who are calling on the president to step aside at bluntly, i'm less concerned with those, i think now 15, 17 democrats in the house than i am with my colleagues in the senate where i serve, where i believe we're at two who've come out expressed a desire for our president to step aside in my view, the vast majority of democrats in the house and senate recognize that donald trump is an existential threat to our democracy acknowledged

joe biden is the only democrat who has beaten donald trump and still by polling, has the best chance to beat and we're having a disciplined, appropriate, private conversation about their concerns. as the polling has come out this week and shown both in head-to-head and in the battleground states that we are not losing ground there has been more and more discussion. a lot of my colleagues were waiting to see how that press conference went and sara, it is very hard. there is a lot of concern for those of us who are holding our breath to make sure our president or forms as well as we believe he can i watched last night as both keir starmer, the new prime minister, the united kingdom, and olaf scholz, the chancellor of germany. in response to questioning said, yes, we had very good, very clear meetings with president biden. he is on top of everything and is a good partner and ally in all of this sara, it is so important that we balanced this against the

danger of donald trump, his project 2025, which he's lying about, which was written by more than 100 people who previously worked by donald trump, lay out a shocking conservative right-wing agenda for how if elected, he would overtake our country in ways we would not recognize. so look, there is polling that is coming in. i am trying to encourage my colleagues to pay attention to that. but frankly, instead of worrying, instead of staying at home, watching tv and wringing our hands to get out there and work to campaign and to fight hard for our colleagues who are up for reelection in the house and the senate. and for our president and vice president. i have a lot of respect for vice president harris. i think she's been a great vice president, but i'm supporting the biden-harris ticket and i am optimistic that joe biden will be reelected as our president this fall senator chris coons, thank you for that honest and spirited conversation this morning nice and early here i appreciate your time thanks, erin alec

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stand, and one of the people that he blames has been ultimately responsible for this tragic accident. >> as you mentioned, hannah gutierrez reed, she was the armorer on the movie set and there's long been this question about how a life five round of ammunition could make its way to a movie set. but what we learned yesterday in court is in the minds of investigators, it's not a mystery at all is there evidence that hannah gutierrez brought the live rounds onto the set of rust? yes. as you sit here today do you have any question about who introduced the live ammunition to the set of rust? who do you believe it was based on your investigation, hana now, as you mentioned, we don't expect that she will cooperate on the stand. >> her attorney says she's going to assert his fifth amendment rights. she is appealing her own conviction for involuntary manslaughter, but there's it's a potential

for sparks to fly whenever alec baldwin's attorneys step up and you can only imagine that obviously there's a constitutional right to not incriminate yourself. but think of the impact on the jury if you have his lawyers completely, you know, continually asking her how could you do this? why did you do this? and then her refusing to respond. so it's setting up to be quite a moment. court is set to resume here. just a couple of hours all right. >> so what happens today, josh? thank you very much. sara. >> all right donald trump is asking the judge in his hush money trial to overturn his conviction and dismiss the case lawyers for former president say that jury's guilty verdict on all 34 felony counts should be tossed out because of the supreme court's recent ruling on presidential immunity. cnn's kara scannell is joining us now tell us what the, what the background is on this what are the reasons that the lawyers are saying, hey, this has to be tossed out because of this ruling by this supreme court will say, or the lawyers are really focusing on the part of the ruling that says that at a trial you cannot use evidence

of official acts in a case, and that's really where they're focusing their arguments here before this judge asking him to throw out the conviction and the indictment and looking into some of the specific time testimony of some of the witnesses that testified, including hope hicks and madeleine westerhout, two people who worked in the oval office with donald trump when he was president saying any testimony they gave about conversations they had with then president at the time related to the hush money payments should not be should not have been allowed to go before the jury. they also one exclude any of the testimony around the special counsel's investigation, michael cohen testified about that and how he was acting in a certain way to benefit donald trump at the time, also throwing out any testimony related to the federal election commission investigations and also any of the tweets that donald trump sent out saying that those were official communications and they should not have been used and prosecutors relied on that to show that there was a pressure campaign against

michael cohen trying to get him not to cooperate in the investigation which he ultimately pleaded guilty to criminal charges. and federal courts. but they want to get that thrown out and they say that the entire case is a rapidly tainted leaving missile as the only lawful option. sara. >> very interesting, we'll see what happens with that case as well. although a lot of that the things that happened in that case happen before he was president. we should note, kara. thank you so much. >> so about last night, congressional democrats reacting the biden campaign, possibly hoping and waiting and voters responding to the press conference of all biden press conferences as biden stood, took 19 questions in just under 60 minutes. and gary tuchman watched it all with voters in battleground michigan. here's some of their initial reaction how many of you think it was better than you expected this news conference? >> i mean, i think he's better than you expected. it would be 12345. how many of you think it was worse than you expected? it would be. how much do you think it was the same he should stay

and you weren't sure how do you feel now saying, i think he's the logical choice. >> okay. now, you thought he should pass the torch. how do you feel right? >> i still believe you should pass the torch. >> and why do you say that? >> i think he conveyed more defensiveness versus confidence. i think what came across was that of what he is joe biden is very caring about people he's very knowledgeable and experienced and he's not just out for himself that he really cares about the country i think joe biden did an excellent job during this news. scott joining me right now as former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin. it's good to see you so it was very it's always very interesting here with voters as they watch something in progress to hear initial reaction, and it seems there's little of this, there's little of that, and it seems it is what it is kind of a rorschach test it seems to have become your thoughts though, watching

last night. and what you think happened last night. first and foremost on how biden did. >> it was a mixed bag could have been worse, could have been better. >> listen, he foreign policy is an area biden knows. well, he worked in this space for 40 years. it was smart to do this at the backdrop of nato to show he has a commanding that the history and the facts on the flip side, what is going to live on tiktok? what are young voters going to see? it's going to be the putin zelenskyy gaffe. it's going to be the harris trump gaffe off the top. and worried listen, he uses this line, don't compare me to the almighty. compare me to the alternative sure. that standard he didn't tell russia to invade eastern europe or something, but it by all means, i think will not help where he needs the most immediate help which has capitol hill democrats, is that the jim himes came out somebody with a national security background on the intel committee and is saying it's time to step aside. i think that signals that capital hill sees this just unsustainable. it sounded like he was going to come out to say that no matter what he was out of respect, waiting until the nato summit wrapped up. but your points don't

rinse well. and i think that's what we're going to see over the next week. i think that is absolutely right to hold most of your fire when he's meeting with foreign leaders here. but the fact is that he didn't lay out a forward-looking in case there wasn't some big vision of what the next four years as he answered the questions he was asked, but he's he may never have a platform as big as the one he had on the debate stage. so it's tough to see the case for how he's going to turn around these battleground polls. we see where he's losing outside of the margin of error in nearly all of them to donald trump it's hard to talk about the case going forward when you when you were facing very real questions about the here and the now, which is, which is it's it is about vision is also about what happened two weeks ago. and it's also about what happened today and lost in that is the lack of vision or the mess of a vision that he can be making shit could be making against his opponent, donald trump. i want to read for you getting really to your point. peter baker of the new york times, that the top of his analysis today i think summed it up pretty well, which was this. did president biden

really think donald trump was his vice president instead of kamala harris? of course not did he actually believed that he was meeting with vladimir putin instead of volodymyr linskey? not at all, but when it comes to his political future, did it matter that he mixed up those names in front of television cameras on thursday? well, it certainly did not help so how did this become a rorschach test in like lightning speed and overnight and the fact that it has i don't understand what that means for the what happens now. >> well, and just to be completely honest, i watched it as somebody with a foreign policy background who walked worked at the department of defense and i was not exactly impressed. >> it felt like we have lowered the bar for the american presidency so low in the era of donald trump that's simply being able to explain why we support nato was like, oh, that was so presidential, that was my genuine takeaway. how voters perceive it may be different though, because as we saw, gary tuchman's group is these are complicated times, these are complicated issues that he's talking about. he's pulling from his years of experience

but again, i think what voters are, i think what actually we're going to be talking about the most just a week from now, two weeks from now was the answer to the first question about the vice president you chose her to be your vice president. does that mean you think she's capable to be the president? and he answered affirmatively. so i think if this conversation continues, james clyburn this morning was saying, you know, the conversation needs to be had up until the convention and he would support camila harris if she was the replacement i think that will be something people pay attention to because okay. because this gets to the thing that i'm harping on and don't have an answer to. i'll lean to you to help me the timing question is confusing for me. it's at the same time in the same moment. it's too late to do anything about choosing change again, it's getting more money and finding a candidate and fixing it and moving on. but we're also in a perpetual state of the next 24, 244872 hours waiting a month. vertical. i mean, i'm seeing quote one quote of the next 96, 94, i mean, pecker number of hours. so i don't i don't know what to do. i think we're going to see the dam start to break on capitol hill if i were advising democrats, which i