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remember who we are. where the united states of america nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together and may god protect our troops right we're looking right now at president biden on stage at a high school gym in detroit that was a raucous rally. >> chance four more years, don't you quit throughout the rally? let's just be honest. energetic passionate. that is a joe biden that many donors and democrats wish that they saw on that debate stage obviously a crucial moment to watch. he just spoke there for about 35 to 40 minutes. at that rally, you can see the response now and thanks so much to all of you for joining us. let's hand
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it off now for our continuing coverage with anderson cooper 360 i didn in detroit wrapping up a fiery defense of his canvas, see his stamina and his chances defeating donald trump in november, speaking to chants, have we got your back? >> and don't you quit and four more years he talked for about 35 minutes joining us now is former ohio democratic congressman tim ryan ran for president 2020 also to cnn political commentators, ashley allison, who served as national coalitions director for the 2020 biden-harris campaign, and kate bedingfield, former biden white house communications director, congressman, it was ten days ago that you call from vice president harris replaces president biden at the top of the ticket president said again tonight, he's not going anywhere. what did you make of his speech tonight? and does it make you change your mind no. >> i honestly i didn't watch a whole lot. i just listened to it as as i was sitting here. but i think the fact that a lot
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of the almost all of the michigan representatives senators candidates were not there, i think tells a lot of us exactly what was happening on the ground now he's obviously going out. he's going to try to convince people, which is fine. he has a right to absolutely do that but when i think about what the swing-state numbers are looking like, anderson in these swing states, the biden campaign has spent already the trump campaign and the outside groups have not spent already. and you think about the debate, you think about the george stephanopoulos interview. you think about the putin and trump comment last night, and you think about nearly 1 billion behind those ads that is going to shift public opinion. and that's what guys like me are really, really worried about as we move forward into this campaign with so much at stake kate, i'm wondering what you made at the congressman's point. >> and also today, the head of the united auto workers urge
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democrats not to quote put our heads in the sand and hide from reality well, the congressman may be right that some members of the delegation weren't there. >> but look at the voters who were there. we know ultimately as the voters who are going to decide this election. and i think you had an incredibly raucous, energetic crowd here that was really feeding off what the president was saying. and i think crucially you had the presence so that really prosecuting the case against donald trump. i mean, that's been a lot of the sort of the outstanding question over the last. now almost two weeks since the debate has been, is he going to be capable of driving that message? is he capable of taking it to trump? and i think you absolutely saw tonight that he was and he made a really aggressive case on on the economic front. he really drove on donald trump is for the big corporate interests. i'm for you in a really sharp argument there and delivered it passionately so look, i think there is no question that some of the swing swing-state polling has moved since the
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debate. i think it would be foolish to deny it that but i also think the biden team's theory of the case from the outset has been win. this race comes into focus in the fall and people see the binary choice between joe biden, who's fighting for them, and donald trump, who only cares about himself, who spouts all sorts of crazy nonsense, who wants to take away your freedoms and your rights? who supported an insurrection on january 6, that people are going to vote for joe biden. and i think that there is time for biden to make that case, and i think if he does what he did tonight, repeatedly in the swing states, he's going to be in a much better position actually, one of the difficulties you can have events on a teleprompter or even in the press conference last night where he was able to speak about foreign policy and for a very long period of time, i've talked to a lot of people who would very much wish joe biden was the candidate, but are holding their breath every time he has an event fearful of
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what may happen and watching it in part to just see if anything happens. >> is that tolerable for the rest of the next? i mean, it's whatever happened on debate night there's no reason to think it might not happen again, because we still don't know what happened on debate night yeah. >> i mean, he was on teleprompter during the speech, but he also did two other components of that trip that he was not on teleprompter and i got to say i watched the whole theater and we broadcast that the whole event of him meeting ingredient with voters. i'm he was pretty funny to me if you asked me, look, let me tell you when i hold my eye on my brand one, donald trump, talks about what he would do in project 2025, i hold my breath when i remember donald trump being the president united states, and i heard babies screaming because he had separated them from their president. i held my breath when i was sitting in the home for a year by myself because i'm a single woman and i wasn't able to interact with people because donald trump told us to put bleach in our system instead of actually dealing what the worldwide
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pandemic, i hold my breath when donald trump tells us when neo-nazis marching in the streets of charlottesville there are good people on both sides and i hold my breath looking at the democratic party saying, folks, we got to choice. we have 100 and what, 13 days before election for the most consequential election of our lifetime. let's make our decision. you had opportunity to run other people last year. you chose not to do that? that is not joe biden's fault. that is your fault. so we are in a situation right now. i'm not saying it's wrong for people to be disappointed with joe biden's performance in the debate. but yesterday, today he is coming out, he is rallying voters. and when you actually look at the polls the race really has that james that much since the debate. so we need to stay focused. i'm holding my breath. the democrats get themselves in line, make a decision what we're going to do so we can start talking to voters about the real threat, which is donald trump, congressman, what do you say to that argument, which which i've
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heard a lot from from democrats who say, look anytime you are talking about problems that president biden has, you are not talking about issues that president trump, former president trump has and that's wrong for you to do as a democrat, who doesn't want trump. so congressman, what do you say to those people say? why are you? you know, adding more attention to the problems that president biden has. why aren't you only talking about former president trump well, two things. >> one and i don't disagree with anything that was just said. i completely agree with it and we want to get that message out i would just say that a major aspect of being loyal but you to anybody in any relationship ship that you're in, including the one that we're in right now is being honest. i mean, honest undergirds, loyalty, and to see what we saw during the debate to see the george
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stephanopoulos interview to see what happened in those two slip last night. and to know enough about modern-day politics and modern-day media that, that's what's going to be covered because that's the narrative now is whether or not joe biden is going to make it through an event how's he going to mess up? how is it going to hurt our standing in the world? how's it going to be able to go against putin? and the main point is why you gotta be honest. because that's part of loyalty. the other piece is, we want this campaign to be about donald trump, and it's not about donald trump right now. that's what we want and so put camila harris in there, let her prosecute that case. let us let go of all this negativity and all these questions, and let's get someone in there that can actually prosecute the case. anderson. i cannot tell you how many americans and you know this, you've been reporting for how many years? americans are dying for generational change.
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we've been having the same stupid fights since the vietnam war. and it's time we look at those double-haters in the polling. they don't want biden, they don't want trump. as democrats, we have an opportunity to give them somebody different. let go of this negativity let's get a message that has elevated that's aspirational, that can really tap into what's best in america, whether it's ai or blockchain or chip manufacturing how do we like this country up? and we can't do it if we, if we don't have generational change and that's my concern. and you put a general variational candidate in for the democrats right now, someone like kamala harris, who has the kind of skills and chops and experience that she has against donald trump. we will blow him out. we will win the house, and we will have a good chance at hanging onto the senate are base be juiced young people will be juiced, and we'll have a great opportunity to getting these industrial states and make the case to working class people, whether
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they're white or black or brown are gay, or straight, or men or women, they're going to come our way kate, as you know, senior jeff zeleny reported former speaker nancy pelosi, former president obama, have spoken about the future present biden's candidacy aid. >> do you think the president would listen to either of them if they were to go to him and suggest that that he step aside and also just what how long can this go on for and what is the time how? i mean, because it seems like this discussion can go on endlessly because for every event that the president does you can see if you think he is impaired. there are things you can point to and for evidence. and if you think he's just fine, there's plenty you can point to as well. so it from just watching events, it could go on for as long as people want to talk about this but from the the political calendar when does this have to stop a decision has to be made. >> well, first, i can i
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actually just respond to the congressman's or weight because i this argument about generational change. look, we had an open primary in the democratic party in 2019. candidates of all ages and generations ran very competitive democratic voters chose joe biden. they like to joe biden's vision for the country. they liked what he was going to do to bolster the middle class they like the argument he was making against donald trump. and then he came into office and made good on so many of those promises that he made on the campaign trail. so i don't think that there is this notion and that somehow democratic voters and moderate swing, independent voters who are going to help decide this election are somehow only fired up by the notion of generational change. they're fired up by what joe biden has been able to accomplish and his vision for the country. so i think i would just dispute that fundamentally, that's what there's an outcry for that right now. to your question, anderson, about how long this can go on. i would argue not very long. i think we have had
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to weeks now of people expressing themselves, raising their concerns. i think it has been a valid conversation. i think joe biden has been very, very clear. he's not getting out of this race. he's given a number of performance from it says over the last week that i would argue satisfy what people have requested of him, including what we just saw him do right there, which is essentially light up an entire jim in a swing state of people chanting and excited about his candidacy. so i would argue this has got to come to an end. we need to unify behind the nominee and let's go from all of this fire and energy on donald trump and not on each other in person. ryan ashley allison came i i'm sorry, i'm so tight on time women are waiting. i appreciate it thank you. joining us now is michigan congresswoman hillary scholten, who is calling on president biden to leave the race congress, one person was defined tonight in michigan system think he's staying in the race. he seemed to be enjoying the give and take with the audience at some point to the calls for him to go become moot you know it's it's great
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to see that the president had a good day you know, he's, he's had a good 24 hours, but i said in my statement, this is not about today. >> this is about tomorrow. and the future. the president has had an incredible legacy, one that anyone would be happy to run on or retire on and there is there is no no-brainer legacy than one that he has built in his life. his career in the senate and the vice presidency. but we're talking about who is the best nominee for the next four years. and there have been serious concerns that have been raised and not been addressed in the last 12 days since the debate you heard the comment from the head of the uaw expressing concerns by democrats ignoring reality of referencing hillary clinton back in the implication being that he knew then and
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others knew then that she wasn't going to win, but it was sort of forced upon them there's the report that leader jeffries did not offer president biden his endorsement during their meeting i mean, what evidence do you see that anybody can change the president's mind you know, i i don't know, as i said in my statement, you know, this is the president's decision and the president's decision to make it's not up to me. to change his mind, but it is up to me to voice the concerns of my constituents and my voters who have overwhelmingly than reaching out to me and expressing concern here about what's going to happen, right? what do you think he can win michigan? i am not a political pundit, but we certainly, you can ignore the fact that michigan has been downgraded right? from a lean democratic race to a toss-up. i leave that to the experts the senate race has been downgraded. the presidential race has been downgraded. it's, it's concerning and i mean, you're
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not a pollster, but you are a politician and you've talked to people all the time. so i mean, are you hearing this the frustration that you are voicing is representative of what you are hearing from your constituents absolutely. >> i mean, we are hearing concerns on the ground. you know, i think honestly anderson been more frustratingly, were hearing people who are saying, well, i just don't know if i'll show up and vote, right. young voters i'm i'm a millennial mom. i, i've got two young kids. we want to be able to present to them and exciting vision for the future. we want to go barreling into november, knowing that at we can we can win and not only win this election, but when the future of our country, not just managed, not to lose to someone who threatens to bring in authoritarian rule to the united states. and the stakes could not be higher. and i knew that i could not continue to hear these concerns friends to
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have them myself and not speak up. i want to be able to look my children in the eye and say in this moment i saw a challenge. i knew that we still had an opportunity to respond and i did something about it. >> au from goldman. i appreciate your time. thank you. coming up next by contrast, will speak with one of the president's staunchest supporters, california congresswoman barbara lee joins us, also, a rescued hostage speaking out about the hamas terrorists who kept him in. first and ropes and then chains and what the moment was like when israeli commandos rescued him you could call them caramels or caramels, whatever you call them, kara metals.com makes 26 mouthwatering flavors that are the freshest and softest caramels ever produced, fry them for yourself or someone you love, go today to caramels.com and seafood you thinking thank thinking about her honeymoon about africa, so far hot air balloon rides, win with elephants. >> 24 to safari, great question, like everything, it
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>> role was dropped took place or so much of my narrative, my campaign is falling apart. >> they say are the nominee of the democratic party, the only democrat or republican has beaten donald trump ever. i'm going to beat him again i. know him. donald trump is a loser there was met by calls from some in the crowd saying lock him up, which is obviously harkening back to things that were said during the last election from prison, trump's crowds. >> yet as passionate as they and the president ever were. the president is facing doubts from with his within his own party still from the congresswoman that we just spoke to before the break from taos top house democrat hakeem jeffries, as we mentioned, did not offer his own endorsement when he met with the president last night joining us now a colleague and minority leader,
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jeffries, as well as another prominent member of the congressional black caucus, california congresswoman barbara lee. it's good to have you here in studio a strong showing, there by president biden clearly defiant, clearly he's telegraphing. he is in this thing. he's not listening to what anyone saying how long can this go on so i think he is listening to what everyone is saying. >> and i believe that people really are seeing the real president, joe biden he didn't not sugar coat the debate hate he was very clear about the problems and the difficulties with that debate and we've known president biden, i've known him for many years and worked with him, you know, he's known to make gaffes. okay. well, but look at who he is and what he has done 15 million jobs insulin capped at $35. when you look at negotiating prescription drugs, when you look at the economy and how the inflation rates are beginning to come down. and he's fought for people each
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and everyday, ordinary people, working men and women, people of color, and so it's not just about what he's done and what he's delivered, but it's about the roadmap to the future and what he has done is an indicator of what he intends to do. i've spoken to a number of pretty big donors over the last couple of days who all obviously support president biden but are deeply concerned because you said the debate was clear what went wrong, but it's not really clear why it went wrong and jet lag has been over one thing is there's a campaign said he had a cold, just a bad night as speaker pelosi had suggested was that this just a one-off or is this a condition? >> and could this happen again and could this happen if there is another debate just a month or two before the election? >> who knows why that's speculation. i think what's important to try to warn, it's important for people to understand what took place and important for him to be honest
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and i believe that he has been honest. when you look at donald trump, who is a pathological liar? when you look at the fact that he wants to dismantle our democracy and establish a dictatorship. when you look at and i was sitting on the floor, congress on january 6, that he almost four minute coup and tried to thwart the truth transfer of power you look at the fact he's a convicted felon, yet the republicans are sticking by him. they don't even care. i mean, you contrast that with all of the projections and discussion about the what with president biden, i'd say, let's move forward with someone who has proven that he can deliver for the american how can people and also on the world stage he understands foreign policy, he understands the world in which we live and so i'm not prepared to tell anyone that i'm not going to wait and see. i'm going to continue to work because there's going to be the voters and i think we saw in michigan and other areas, it's
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the voters who are going to make sure that he's reelection. >> so what do you think happens in the next couple of days? i mean, there was talk of speaker pelosi jeff zeleny reported she had a conversation with former president obama. there was discussion a couple days ago when chuck schumer go to speak to the president is there any do you i mean, does this kind of drip, drip, drip go go along as there were some final resolution. >> well, i hope that we become unified as a party and move forward. we cannot allow donald trump to win next. i just want to say, i think the discussions and the chatter and the different points the views are healthy for our democracy. what are you hearing from dove? >> i'm hearing and let me tell you about donors. >> this is very important because we've got to get to public financing of campaigns, period, dot, dot you know. and i'm hearing from some donors who and you know, many have said that they weren't going to put money into the campaign anymore. it's going to fund
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the campaign. but, president biden. yes. it relies on a donors, but he has a large number of small donors and grassroots donors. and i believe at the end of the day, the larger donors move come back because they are going to see that, look at the polls for example the polls have him, if not neck and neck just a bit ahead of donald trump's, although in swing-state, i mean, this boils down to swing states and there was that cook report of showing a number of swing states not looking good for you think there's enough time for him to make that up? >> i think so. and i'd have to rely on the voters swing states, but let me tell you, i know myself and members of the congressional black caucus. we had a very candid conversation with the president and in fact, a handled it appropriately. and i believe that everyone is going to help swing state voters and help candidates in swing states to make sure that we went, no one said it was going to be easily but i think
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when you contrast him with donald trump that's not the only issue though. when you look at how he saved lives and livelihoods during the covid pandemic. and when you look at how hot hard he has fought to make sure that the cost of living comes down, the cost of groceries, the cost of gasoline, he has to continue this work and i'm adamant about that. anderson i don't get out there to off and on for too many candidates. and he's been a president, you can talk to ordinary people, can look up to, and he has integrity and honesty, and he's smart and you know, he's 81-years-old and he's got a lot of experience right now. the world needs experience. there's one lee, i appreciate your time. thank you thank you. ice be in a remarkable new interview coming up with one of the four hostages rescued. >> in that surprising daylight operation by israeli defense forces last month or bianna golodryga spoke with him and joins us next you don't have to walk a boardwalk this summer, bringing the boardwalk home.
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hamas today, a source familiar with the talks tells cnn said there is quote, still a long time to go and quote in a new interview, andre kozlov, one of the four hostages freed in a stunning think daylight rescue by the idf last month, spoke to cnn about the months of intense psychological, physical abuse. he says he's suffered as a hostage kozlov is a russian-israeli citizen who was working as a security guard at the nova music festival when hamas attacked on october 7, he tells cnn that he considers himself lucky other hostages he saw wall captive were in worse shape. bianna golodryga joins us now is really doctors confirming that he was subjected to psychological, physical abuse physically, he looked good, but when you asked him how they treated, you and the other hostages? so there were multiple incidents where they would abuse them verbally. one point he had to sit under three blankets in the heat for hours on end for no reason. when the bombing began, when the war began, and they could hear the idf bombs, every
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single day. he said that the captors were telling them that it was the idf coming to kill you because you're a problem for them. and so they're trying to bomb you to find you to end all of this, they would say your family doesn't care about you. they're off on vacation. one of the other captors was married. he said, your wife has probably found someone else while they knew that this likely wasn't true when you hear it repeatedly, it really clearly got to them and he said that abuse started from the day they got into gaza are you scared condition of shock. >> i was not scared. i didn't realize like what's going on. and they took us they died up. tents like this who does on the floor? and i started to explain them like, jaroussky i'm rushing like, you i don't speak
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hebrew. i speak only russian and english to explain them what can we do? some guy who was from the left side of me and he has like gun. i tried to document asking, you us keyless. i have you asked him if they were planning to kill you? yeah, that's like it's so only one thought that i had like, what what are they going to do with us? in couple of hours that they brought almog like the same day and in some moment one guy, he was like, i was really scared about him i was really afraid and took fabric from is and showed me with signs like i tomorrow you
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i will fill, you they will kill you it was in the first day of our been can gather. >> your mom said that you were tied up like that for two months? >> the first three days was rob's until middle of december. we were in chains you are attached with chains. with james they were afraid that we will ran away. maybe i don't know but in december they took off and we were free. >> so tell me about that day of the rescue, june 8, we will sure in that day in eight of the unit that day, it was like regular morning i was reading some book about marco polo. >> they gave you books a couple like for, like vega was book
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only in april. they gave us also some stories about quran and you can read, you cannot read. we don't care so worried. of course we read because it's like to take our mind with something and sometimes suddenly lake right in every window that we had started to little explosions and they already inside like they and i was like what's going on what's going on you? a little bit freest, you're in shock, you afraid. of course of course. even if it is like israeli army i thought that they told us that if they come to rescue we will. kill you.
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don't think that we will give them the rescue understood that it serves that's a hell i will brave. they hit. like couple of seconds to kill us. like, i mean, they were they were in the room with you not in the same room, but they have like five meters, like one should know but they didn't do this they were killed maybe in like five seconds later. they started to ask our names they exemption probably saw it in 3 d
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hundred slow andrey he told me in russian, i will translate to you. i will go with you. you will go with me only with me two meters maximum for me, we will rescue today. you will be at home at home today already today really? sure. don't show yes. yes, i aom better for biden okay. pay on better for biden. let's go let's do it let's do it. >> did you watch the video of your rescue a. lot of times even even today why something great and it was something special for me and it's my third birthday the first one
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was on seven of october the third. one in the head of the junior of course i remember this i made is that to it's scars that i got from seven of october when a fall from the cliff and some bushes cat my skin we all saw the video of when you were reunited with your mother at the hospital as a mother, it brought tears to my eyes to see how you fell down on your knees? >> hugging her do you know how how difficult i would imagine you do those eight months war for them i was so afraid not to see. you thought you'd never
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see them again right i have mentioned that my mother in the father and brother it will not hear the words i love you anymore i know that 120 hostages are still there and fortunately for me i was lucky unfortunately for them they're still in gaza and they don't know when they will come back it's absolutely disgusting and
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terrible feelings i don't i don't imagine how it how to live in tunnels we need to bring them home let's soon as possible it's incredible to hear from him how is he readjusting? >> i mean, i can imagine cities doing well. he's happy, he has good days. he says he has bad days to and he just lets himself cry and however long that takes i asked him if he has spoken to all mogen shlomi, the other two hostages, who he was with for eight months, they weren't separable and he is so grateful they were together. and it was interesting because he said they haven't spoken and they clearly just need to take this time to begin to try to readjust at home incredible. >> bianna. and thank you so much for doing that. bianna golodryga. just ahead, details about what cnn has learned will be rare return to the public in next week for melania trump
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return for months to a private person, a great person, very confident person, and she loves our country very much. she'll be, she'll be at the appropriate time. she'll be out there while also trying to explain away her absence as he did on megyn kelly's podcast. she's introspective and she's confident she doesn't need to be out there. the only person who decides if and when melania gets out there is melania herself a source close to the former president, tells cnn that melania dictates her own involvement she is very selective and methodical in what she wants to do and how she presents herself on super tuesday, melania was out of view while her husband celebrated at their mar-a-lago estate i want to thank my family for being here when the former president was on trial in new york for the hush money case, melania did not attend, nor did she show up for cnn's presidential debate in atlanta last month. >> in recent months, she has appeared at private events,
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including a fundraiser this month for the log cabin republicans, a conservative if lgbtq group, as well as an april fundraiser alongside her husband at the home of investor john paulson at the upcoming convention. it's still unclear if melania will have any formal speaking role, though she did at the last two republican national conventions in 2016, her speech made headlines after it came to light that some lines had been plagiarized from the speech given by michelle obama at the 2008 democratic national convention. my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise rock and i were raised with so many of the same values like you work hard for what you want in life that your word is your bond that you do what you say you're going to do days later, a
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family friend and staff writer for the trump organization took responsibility for the borrowed lines and melania speech and apologized the trumps rejected her offer to resign hi in 2020, the republican convention was upended due to the covid-19 pandemic. >> so melania trump delivered her speech from the white house rose garden my husband's administration will not stop fighting until there is an effective treatment or vaccine available to everyone. she also spoke about the american dream and the love. she says both she and donald trump have for this country there are no words to describe how honored, humbled, and fortunate i am to serve our nation. as your first lady and randi kaye joins us now, has she commented at all about what she may do or orangey know, she hasn't commented in a spokesperson for melania, didn't respond to cnn's request for comment die there. >> but really anderson is about more than just this it's
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upcoming convention. it's really about the next four months as this campaign winds down, there are a lot of questions about what her role might be issued going to get out there on the campaign trail some more. is she going to stump for her husband? we just don't know, but we do know that trump the trump campaign and trump's close aides have said that she is in full support board of what her husband is doing. she supports the campaign. she supports what they want to do. she's just been very busy raising their son, baron. all right. randi. thanks very much still to come breaking news tonight in the criminal trial of actor alec baldwin and the surprising decision from the judge, plus the bill comes due for rudy giuliani as a judge strips him a bankruptcy protection from creditors. what? but he aos and the amount of money he says he needs every month to live on replenish electrolytes lost through sweat with extraordinary hydration fast absorption three times the electrolytes of the leading sports drink tear for live more liquid iv, you could call them
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>> multiple meetings say billion with a b, we've got this. >> honor, you got this this source with kaitlan collins next a stunning decision today by the judge and the alec baldwin criminal trial, one that brought his prosecution over the death of cinematographer on the set of his western ross to a sudden end, cnn's josh campbell joins
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us now with the latest on the decision that shocked observers and reduce alec baldwin to tears in the courtroom. so what happened, josh yeah shocking indeed, i was in the courtroom when this was happening and as a judge appeared to signal that she was about to throw this case out. you could see people looking left and right, kind of in disbelief as she went through her lengthy ruling. this all stemmed from a motion that baldwin's team had filed, essentially accusing the state of misconduct of not properly handing over it dems of evidence and, you know, today was really strange that you can essentially see the prosecution's case unraveling throughout the day at one point, the prosecutor herself took the witness stand in order to try to defend the actions of the state. another time coe special prosecutor in the case, abruptly resigned today. so you all kind of started to see there's going hill for the downhill for the prosecution. the judge finally bringing everyone, all parties together, making her ruling that look, this case has to be thrown out. and as she described her decision, which he said was that this type of misconduct
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not properly handing over evidence is threat to the judicial system. the public has to have confidence in the judiciary judicial system. she said, this is a wrong that the court cannot write the cases dismissed afterwards, the special prosecutor that was left in the case came out and address reporters. she said she respects a judge's decision, but maintains that this evidence in question had nothing to do with the case. there is reason to believe that the evidence that we discussed in court today was related to the set of rust it never left the state of arizona i understand that the court disagrees with and i respect the court's decision there is absolutely no evidence that any of that ammunition is related to the incident involving ms hutchings now, as a ruling was
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read, baldwin broke down in tears. >> he was comforted by his own attorneys, his family was sobbing. they were all embracing each other, horse on the other side of this equation is a family of halyna hutchins's cinematographer who was killed. we have reached out to her representatives for comment. anderson. >> and this whole i'm the prosecution case has been riddled with issues from the beginning. it seems like charges against him had been dismissed before i could prosecutors bring this case back again? >> now, it's so important the way the judge ruled here, she dismissed his indictment. what's called width prejudice, which means that there is no way that they will be able to retry baldwin even if they wanted to, they can't correct their mistakes. there will be no prosecution of alec baldwin one for the incident tonight. he's a free man, anderson. >> all right. josh campbell. thanks very much. now, the man formerly known as america's mayor, disgraced trump ally rudy giuliani. he defamed two georgia election workers, was ordered to pay nearly $150 million in damages, declared bankruptcy. today, a judge stripped him of bankruptcy protection than meeting creditors can now take action to collect. the thing is he's
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living quite large. cnn senior data reporter harry enten joins me now to break it down. so what are the court records show? but the state of his spending habits yeah. he essentially promised that in january he trying keep his spending under control, keep it to a little bit more than $40,000. he ended up spending nearly $120,000. he admitted in court documents. what is he spending? 20 20,000 a month in the month of january. what was he spending on? well, some of it is stuff like you and i might spend on right. he spent money on amazon for example, but he was spending a lot of money on amazon as much as i spent a year. i was looking at his credit card statement, looked like he was spending more than a $1,000 thousands of dollars on amazon he spent money on flights he spent money on jetblue flying down from laguardia down to florida. he also went to smith them zelenskyy. it's a very good steakhouse in new york and i'm familiar with, i used to live in you're exactly right. but the first round forever, it's been around forever. but the fact is, if you're trying to contain your spending, it's probably not best to dine out a place like swift smith them, lenski, it might it'd be
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better to perhaps die in a place like what about his assets? because most of his money, giuliani says is in his properties in florida, in new york? yes. so what what is there beyond just his properties in florida in new york, creditors believed that there's a lot there for example, he has three world series rings, if you know anything about rudy giuliani, you know, he's a huge yankees fan creditors believed that he might be underestimating how much those rings are where they could be worth in total, more than $30,000, for example, there are other places where he might in fact get some money for example, i don't know if, you know this, but rudy giuliani is now marketing a coffee. yes, but i mean the judgment is $150 million in his apartment in florida and new york rings, it's not going to its, it's not, it's not going to cut it, but the fact is you know you're trying to keep building all of this stuff up, right? and i think you have some polling about sort of his people's perceptions of him. yeah. yeah. so to me, one of the things about rudy giuliani was i grew up under his mayorality, right after nine
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11, he was a hero to many people. his favorable rating after 911 was near 80%. he went after the mob early for the mob, a lot of people credited him with cleaning up crime in new york city. remember the crime rate dropped tremendously during his mayoral ship and his favorable rating was quite high. but look where it is now. look, we're it's dropped to look at this 16%, you know, anderson, i love looking at numbers. i love looking at polling. i have never seen anybody have a 60 point drop in their favorable rating over just 20 years. in fact, richard nixon's approval rating after, of course, he resigned the presidency was north of 20%. so rudy giuliani is liked by fewer americans now than richard nixon was when he was forced to resign the presidency back in 1974, quite a fall from grace. it's quite honestly sad are you enten, thanks very much. thank you. the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts now