by got it. got it. boss honor, you got this. >> i wouldn't really hard to get lied to unlimited bombing of a us ally 21st at nine on cnn you're in the cnn newsroom. hi everyone. i'm jessica dean in new york and both presidential campaigns hitting the ground and pennsylvania today in an effort to win over crucial swing state voters, there donald trump holding a rally in butler, pennsylvania tonight, while vice president kamala harris, on the other, started the state targeting voters at an asian-american and pacific islander in philadelphia, while first lady jill biden is in pittsburgh, cnn's priscilla alvarez is joining us now, and priscilla, what more can you tell us about this campaign blitz across a very, very important state, pennsylvania? >> an important state at an important moment, of course, the president is trying to make

sure that he and his campaign have the democratic party behind him because there have been multiple questions over the last several days of whether or not he is a viable candidate for this election year. >> now, while that campaign blitz was ongoing, president was working the phones. we know he had one meeting already with progressive lawmakers and another call is currently ongoing where he is listening to what they have to say and what concerns they may harbor about him going forward and going up against former president donald trump. of course, this comes after he was in michigan yesterday hey, also very important state for him and trying to convince voters and target former president donald trump, drawing the stark contrast between him and his record. but perhaps the clearest indicator of just how difficult the last few days have been came from vice president kamala harris during her rally earlier this afternoon we always knew this

election would be tough the past few days have been a reminder that running for president of the united states is never easy. >> nor should it be but one thing we know about our president joe biden he is a fighter and he is the first to say, when you get knocked down, you get right back up now that has certainly been the argument from the president and his campaign as they try to move forward from that disastrous debate performance last month. >> and now the president will be going back on the campaign trail next week, going in texas and nevada where he is going to hopefully or what he hopes is trying to put those concerns surgeons to rest, tried to calm the nerves within his party to move forward and it's particularly provide that counterprogramming to the republican national convention, which will also be underway early next week. >> that's right. priscilla alvarez for us in washington. thanks so much. let's go now to

cnn's annie grayer, who is following and reporting on these calls that biden has been holding with democratic lawmakers this afternoon. one of them, andy happening right now, what are you learning? >> that's right. just the call with more moderate democrats who are running in a lot of competitive races this fall are currently speaking with the president and a lot, notably, a lot of the 19 democrats who have in the house who have called on president joe biden to step aside are on that call. so we're waiting for details come out of that. but the call earlier this afternoon that president biden had with the more progressive wing of the house, democratic caucus has wrapped up and the chair of that caucus, pramila jayapal, released a statement after that meeting. she said, quote we spoke frankly to the president about our concerns and ask tough questions about the path forward. we appreciate his willingness to thoughtfully answer an address our members as a caucus, we will continue working to do everything in our

power to defeat donald trump and promote our proposition agenda so we are still reporting out the details of what happened in this private call, but the stakes are crucial here. biden has started his outreach to directly to members on the hill and they have been wanting this since his disastrous debate performance over two weeks ago. so the question now is, is biden addressing these members directly going to be enough? off to stop the bleeding and stop this trickle of democratic lawmakers coming out for him to step aside. we'll have to see biden in his one of his calls yesterday with the congressional hispanic caucus, democratic congressman mike levin said to the president directly on this call, i'm told that it was his belief it was time for the president to step aside by i didn't addressed those concerns directly. so we are really getting to see the president trying to stop the bleeding firsthand and making his pitch directly to lawmakers. but we'll have to see if it's enough all right.

annie grayer for us. thanks so much for that updated reporting. we appreciate it also today, donald trump, back on the campaign trail as he prepares to become the official nominee at the republican national convention in milwaukee. now less than 48 hours away, cnn's alayna treene is live at the rally and butler, pennsylvania where the former president will address that crowd tonight this is a big moment as trump prepares to announce his vice presidential pick and gets ready for the republican national convention house. the trump campaign feeling about the week ahead pull up. they are very excited from my conversations with them. they're ready to turn the attention back to donald trump and his own campaign. over the past few weeks, ever since the debate, donald trump has been uncharacteristically quiet. and that was a deliberate choice. i'm told by his top advisers they have won wanted to let the handwringing around. joe biden as well as the questions coming from within his own party over whether or not he is fit to serve another four years to remain this story. but he's

going to be speaking in about an hour. i'm told is a little behind schedule here behind me. and then of course, on monday is the kickoff to the republican national convention. now one big thing that we're all watching for jessica is when will donald trump announced his vice presidential running mate from my conversations with his viser with those close to the former president it really is unclear at which point he is going to do that. they view monday evening. that is when donald trump will formally be nominated as the republican party's presidential nominee. that is the deadline that they're currently viewing for when he must announce, but it's still unclear when that time will come. i want you to take a listen to what donald trump said about this yesterday on a radio station do you have some really really good candidates and maybe leaning one way and that changes sometimes, you know, all of a sudden you've seen something that you like or you don't like, and you lean a little bit

differently. >> it's like a highly sophisticated version of the apprentice. ultimately, it's more of an instinct. you develop an instinct, but i like to know all the facts before the instinct kicks in. >> now does have also during that interview, he went on to praise the television appearances of senators tim scott, doug burgum marco rubio jd vance, and other senators. he praised all of them during that interview, and those are all the same names that we've consistently been during the donald trump is considering for his vp pac. now, each of them as well is slated to speak next week at the convention were also called several of donald trump's family members first, including both of his sons. donald trump jr. and eric tenure will be speaking. i'll be some celebrity appearances, people like the president of the united fighting champion chip, the ufc president dana white, as well as amber rose all of these people coming out to kind of roll out the red carpet and really what i'm told

us is that they want to show a contrast with democrats right now. they want to see him like the republican party is united behind donald trump at a time when you're not seeing let's unity within the democratic party. jessica. >> all right. alayna treene on the trail for us in butler, pennsylvania, alina, we will check back in with you in a little bit later. joining us now, though former democratic the congressman from ohio, tim ryan and congressman, thanks so much for being here with us this afternoon. we appreciate your you have called on biden to step aside and said that kamala harris should run as the nominee, but we're here on july 13th. president biden has been in michigan. he says he's not going anywhere what now i'm not sure. >> i mean, i think we've got to keep some level perspective and i think we do have a little bit of time still ahead of us my concern is that when you look at i think it was the memo that even the biden campaign sent out. they basically narrowed the race down to michigan in

wisconsin and pennsylvania, down over five and pennsylvania, almost one in michigan and two-and-a-half points in wisconsin and here's the here's the big point the trump campaign has not spent any money in these states, so they're going to take the clips from the, from the interview with george stephanopoulos from the mistakes that he made the other night with trump and putin, things. and then all the way back to the debate. those were all going to have 500 to 1 billion behind them in those swing states. and that's going to do, i think it's significant amount of damage. and so i love joe biden. i'm just saying like we have got to be very, very careful what we're doing here is a party when the country is dying for something new and generational change that i think kamala harris would provide us and there's a new op-ed in the new york times from senator bernie sanders today called joe biden for president, and he writes in part, despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country.

>> and is the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump. and then he adds later, it's time for democrats to stop up the bickering and the nitpicking. do you think your nitpicking i hope so that's our responded. >> that's our responsibility. i mean, look, it's not like we don't have ample evidence to nitpick or to be upset about or to try to comprehend and understand how we got here i don't disagree with senator sanders, that

>> but they can't get rid of trump and we can start a new, they're tired of all the fights. we've been doing this since vietnam. the toxic politics, we need to put that all in the past, put the era of trump behind us, and move into a new age where we dominate artificial intelligence, dominate the blockchain heal our veteran turns with new ways of healing, trauma. this show many ideas in the country we can't even get to that because we're talking about this. and so i think someone like kamala harris would kick trump's rear-end and debates and present that new generational leadership that so compelling and so i have a two-part question to end on one, have you have you told the president this? have you talked to him and then secondly, at what point did democrats have to figure this out in your opinion?

>> no, i have not. talked to the president directly other than writing the op-ed that i wrote a couple of weeks ago, and this guy to get wrapped up before the convention, i think shooter rather than later i think the camilla's such a compelling candidate. the more we would be able to get her into those swing states. i think, you know, you put georgia and arizona, north carolina, all of a sudden they come back online and maybe get a bill for us and winnable for us but she would need to campaign and we would need to get out there and show this three or four more stops in those swing states that, and that puts us further and further behind. so you know, this is not personal, being loyal is important, but part of being loyal is being honest and i'm just trying to be honest and i know it's ruffled some feathers but this is the way i

see it. i live in ohio normal people are going to see those ads and the narrative is out there. even the other day, 20 million people watched the press conference sprite. now as of today, 80 million people saw the clips of the two main gaffs that's hard to unwind because it fits into the broader narrative from the debate from stefano populace and they're just going to keep adding then i just want to remind my fellow democrats there's gonna to be $1 billion behind these ads. we're not going to be talking about re-industrialization you know, we're not going to get our message out where not going to be hard to talk about protecting the government from getting into a woman's bedroom, telling her what to do with their health care decisions. if we want to get on that message, i think we have to make the tough decision, not for anybody to step down, but for democratic leader here's to step up. >> all alright, former congressman tim ryan, we appreciate your time. thanks so much. thank you so much still ahead israel says it targeted a hamas is military chief in an

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targeting the military chief of hamas who is alleged to be one of the masterminds behind the october 7 attacks. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says, they still aren't certain whether the target was killed, seen as jeremy diamond it has the latest ground shaking explosion, a tremendous cloud of smoke and a vast crater left in its wake, the israeli military says it deployed this devastating force in an attempt to kill hamas's top military commander, mohammed deif, the number two hamas official in gaza, and one of the masterminds of the october 7 terrorist attack. as body after body is rushed out of the wreckage, the israeli military is still working to assess whether the qassam brigades commander was actually killed in the attack. hamas, as he wasn't what have we done? au god to deserve this airstrike, this woman cries. we were

sheltering. where is the safety at least 90 people were killed and 300 wounded in the strike, according to the palestinian ministry of health, which does not differentiate between civilians and combatants the israeli military says daif and other hamas militants including the commander of the khan younis brigade, were in a compound in this once wooded area in the al-mawasi humanitarian zone, a short walk away from the crater, thousands of displaced palestinians lived intense there were about five explosions, were six horrifying explosions. this man says, there were wars in my past and i was displaced. but i had never seen such explosions in my entire life. the israeli military declined to say what kind of munitions that are used in this strike. but a weapon bins expert tells cnn this video, geo located at the scene shows part of a us made joint

direct attack munition used to guide large bombs to their targets. dave has been among israel's most wanted for years. in 1996, he was the bomb-maker behind for suicide bombings in jerusalem slim and tel aviv that killed 65 people since then, israel has tried to kill him multiple times. he managed to survive this assassination attempts in 2002. and another in 2014, which killed his wife and children now at nasser hospital as more bodies are being brought out of the morgue and prepared for burial. among them is 13-year-old hamed. he was in a tent with his sister when he was killed by the blast they should have taken me instead of you, his sister it's for whales over his body my love. she cries, my love another

child torn from this world. another family ripped apart and israeli officials meanwhile are making the case that any civilian casualties resulting from this strike should be placed at the feet of muhammad deif and hamas for being in this humanitarian zone as the israeli military claims. but once again, we do not yet have confirmation from the israeli military, from the israeli government that muhammad deif has in fact been killed in this strike. i am however, learning new details about the days leading up to this strike, and that's because i'm told that it was dressed in the last few days that the israeli security and intelligence establishment began reviewing intelligence indicating that there would be an opportunity too carry out this strike and kill. hamas number two official in gaza. but it was only in the last 24 hours or so that that window of opportunity began to come into clearer focus late last night, the israeli prime minister

green-lighting this operation. but overnight there were multiple consultations multiple, multiple discussions of between the defense minister yoav galant's the head of the israeli armed forces, the lieutenant general herzi halevi, as well as top shin bet officials. that's israel's internal security service they were reviewing the intelligence, ensuring that the full picture was there to be able to carry out this strike one of the key questions for then was assessing whether or not any hostages were in the area. and it was only once they had the confidence that there were not hostages, that they were able to proceed with the strike. but now the key question, jessica, will be what will be the impact on this on those ongoing ceasefire and hostage release negotiations so far? no indication that it will impact those it's talks. but of course, this is a very significant strike and certainly would be extremely an extremely significant moment if indeed mohammed deif has been taken out jessica all right. >> jeremy diamond for us in jerusalem. thanks so much.

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sources telling cnn they do not believe the former president has offered the role to any particular candidate. at rallies, trump has been stressing the importance of cementing a conservative majority in the supreme court. and that may be just the beginning cnn's phil mattingly has more on what we could expect from a second trump term. >> the cornerstone achievement of donald trump's first-term legacy. i totally transformed the federal judiciary that claim supporters and opponents alike acknowledge is not hyperbole after 234 trump's selected judicial nominees took seats on the most critical benches. across the country, 54 of those reshape the ideological makeup of the critical federal appeals courts and of course, the three who drove a generational shift in the highest court in the land. many presidents never get the opportunity to appoint a supreme court justice. i had

three. they are going, what is trump drives toward a potential second term? one thing is clear. he's just getting started the two most conservative supreme court stalwarts, justices, clarence thomas and samuel alito could step aside due to age clearing the way for trump and his party to name two more life time. a a court. and for trump, who relied heavily almost entirely on longstanding republican legal philosophy in his first term, he's now made clear he would push sharply, right in a second. i will once again appoint rock solid conservative judges too. do what they have to do in the mold of justice's antonin scalia, samuel alito are great gentleman and another great gentlemen, clarence thomas trump, more than delivered on his 2016 campaign, promises to name conservatives to the courts. his single term appointments rival those of presidents who held office for twice as long as he did. but legal scholars note it's not just the number of trump

appointees. its who he appointed that has had such a dramatic impact on the judiciary that will resonate for decades. >> we like people in their 30s so they're there for 50 years or 40 years. trump's three supreme court nominees, all younger for than 55-years-old when he named them to the bench, meaning his judges could have decades to shape rulings and policy across the country. in the key common denominator amongst all of his picks, rock rib conservative credentials. will you commit to voters tonight that religious liberty will be an absolute litmus test for anyone you appoint, not just for the supreme court, but to all courts? >> yes, i would that 2016 promise of conservative judicial appointments, especially following the death of justice antonin scalia, helped solidify support for his candidacy from skeptical republicans, i, donald john trump wants in the white house, trump then relied heavily on the council of advisers there's an outside groups to fill open seats with the help of then senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. you know what

my top priority is i've made it very clear if the judiciary working with the republican controlled senate, trump's solidify that six to three conservative majority on the supreme court. and the result, it's been dramatic even with trump no longer in the oval office, roe versus wade overturned the epa and other federal agencies strip to some regulatory power. and then a case deeply personal to trump himself, a decision that granted the president near total immunity while in office, trump also successfully flip three of the nation's 13 appeals courts two conservative majority's, one of the district court judges. he appointed aileen cannon. she's now responsible for overseeing his own criminal trial in florida, but trump allies and detractors alike point to a less understood, but very clear shift in the makeup of trump's own appointments over the course of that first term, a shift away from the powerful conservative legal establishment, and toward lawyers who embraced a more expansive and at times legally tenuous view of executive

power. now, clear about their intent to seek retribution for trump's own legal travails from the basis that allies plan to set the bar for nominations and administration lawyers alike when this election is over, based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them and i think one of the most fascinating elements in terms of reporting this out, it is when you talk to democrats who to be very clear following what trump did in his four years made it an absolute priority in the biden ministration in president biden's white house to focus on their own nominees. >> obviously, supreme court on down and yet there's a recognition amongst democrats that there are going to be open seats. they're going to be retirements that trump could fill and that could include the supreme court you talk about the six to three conservative majority and just how dramatically that has reshaped things over the course of the last couple of years. trump would be able to lock that in, potentially for decades to come

at something that democrats, progressives, liberals across the board they candidly acknowledged are almost terrified of. and yet it has not been a focal point of biden's campaign up to this point, obviously, democrats dealing with a lot of their own issues, right now. but especially in the wake of 2016 and what trump did in his first four years. i'm told from some democrats expect that to be something that is focused on if they can figure out who exactly their candidate is in the weeks and months ahead just right. phil mattingly with some excellent reporting there. thanks so much joining us now is pollster and communication strategist frank luntz. frank, always great to have you on. thanks for making time for us this afternoon. i want to start first with some reporting from the washington post that trump aides are working on trump's image and they write in part the intent is to soften his image and sidestep his false claims of a stolen election views on january 6, 2021, riot and the gop debate over borussia, over abortion, which millions? the americans have

recoiled from. as he seeks a return to the white house. you spend a lot of time with voters as they are thinking about and processing who they might want to vote for in november. do you think that this image softening that they're trying to do is working, could it work? how are they viewing the former president? this point? >> based on the segment that you just ran, it's interesting because we've been focused grouping and pulling it over the last few weeks and the public does not want a politization of the civil service or politization of the judiciary. what they want is accountability, what they want and demand or results and they're looking for someone to basically take the politics out of government and put in a more efficient more effective, and more accountable civil service judiciary and all the elements of government. so it's a really good question to ask right now. and the public is very clear about this as much

as they agree with their side and 45% or on the right, 45% or on the left, as much as they agree with that. they still want a sense that the judiciary, that the civil service, that the government overall that the government actually works for them and provides results and takes the politics, partisanship, and polarization out of the federal government. >> yet the former president has been very open and his allies about wanting to use the federal government potentially against people who've been critical of him. they have, they have plans that are pretty political do you do you see the voters making that connection or no? >> i see the voters making the connection because it matters a lot to them that even though it's not been a biden focus and even though trump has mentioned that in his campaign rallies the public is saying

one of the reasons why the public is not running behind joe biden right now is that they feel that the government doesn't work for them and one of the reasons why trump hasn't quite yet seal the deal is that they're afraid that he's going to put in his politics into how these things work. the key right now is not true trump base, which is significant. 40 is how up to 40%. and it's not biden's base, which is somewhere around 35%. what matters and it's only 4% of the country. the undecided voters in pennsylvania yeah, michigan and wisconsin and among undecided voters, often independents who don't like either candidate what they really don't like his politics and polarization, but they really don't like, is the negativity. so every time trump at tracks, attacks, biden, every time his supporters love it. but these undecided voters cringe. and every time biden

tries to go back to the four years of the trump presidency, the exact same thing happens. make no mistake. the national numbers don't matter. these other states don't matter. i hate to say this to your viewers but it's only pennsylvania, it's only michigan is only wisconsin. and the candidate that is the least political, the candidate that reminds people the least of the divisions and the politics of the last eight years is the candidate who wins those voters that's fascinating. all right, frank luntz, always great to talk with you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> still ahead after a wave of deadly attacks by russia on ukraine, poland is now weighing a proposal by kyiv it's one that would have pull an intercept russian rockets on course to hit cities in ukraine. what this could mean for putin's war, that's next surprise. >> see him as host and shark week shark week is back. who is the alpha male or a seal about

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president volodymyr zelenskyy is defending president biden after that moment when president biden mistakenly referred to him as president putin during a nato event this week here's the linskey is reaction when asked about it in ireland earlier today a lot of support we can forget meantime, ukraine may be on the verge of getting some unexpected aerial support in the war against russia, poland is considering a ukrainian proposal to begin intercepting russian rockets headed for ukraine retired lieutenant general mark hertling joins us now to talk about this and more, lieutenant hertling. great to see you let's talk first about this potential proposal about poland getting involved in this way. what do you make of this? >> it's an interesting factor, jessica, and it could cause some fascinating dynamics in terms of diplomacy polling does

share a 250 mile long border with ukraine. but that border does not fall under either belarus or russia. so for them to engage missiles that are incoming to ukraine, they would have to fire over ukrainian territory that might be appropriate i'm sure there's going to be a lot of discussions about this, but it would poland being one of the nato nations, could draw other nato states into this by attacking directly russia, russian incoming bomb since and missiles over ukraine so it's going to be, there's going to be a lot more discussion about this, but it proves the closeness between poland and ukraine spent a lot of time in both of those countries. they have a deep relationship. they've seen what russia does when they put them under their thumb so they're both fighting for freedom and territory for integrity. so i think you might see additional efforts by poland to support ukraine like this and this week, the white house announced the u.s.

>> made fighter jets are on their way to new ukraine, donated from denmark and the netherlands talk us through how this could change the dynamic in this war well, this has been something ukraine has been asking for for a long time. >> they believed that fighter jets, especially f-16s, which are fifth-generation fighters better than what most of the russian fighters are, would, would lead for a battlefield advantage. the problem is they have been having train their pilots as well, and that has been the limiting factor ukraine has not provided enough pilots for the number of aircraft are requesting. the other thing that will be interesting is what will be the primary role of these aircraft will they be air-to-ground? will they be deep strike? in other words targeting targets beyond the capability of some of the artillery place pieces inside of russia? or will they be the kind of close air support that combat forces used in each one of those roles, air

to air close air support. our deep strike takes a different kind of piloting and different kind of support. it also requires electronic warfare and air defense system of the russian forces to be disabled because you just can't throw someone the keys to an f 16 and say, go out and fly and be amongst them. you have to suppress the air defense of the enemy and the electronic warfare. so that's all part of the conclusion as well as the air bases russia has been striking many of ukrainian bases to limit their capability to use those to land the jets after they've taken off so there's a lot more to all of this than just providing the aircraft. and i think that's what is going to be happening as ukraine works through the first tranche of aircraft that will be becoming too later this summer. >> and i also want to ask you about this russian plot that us and german authorities foiled a russian plot to assassinate the ceo of a major german arms manufacturer that it's kind of

a wild story and it seems that russia is increasingly targeting european defense industry leaders to disrupt arms supplies to ukraine what do you think about this and how, and if should nato respond? >> it is an asymmetric approach and its criminality, russia has been doing this for years, jessica, i can't comment on the number of times i've read intelligence factors or intelligence briefings when i was the commander of us army in europe that had russia doing some kind of nefarious behavior like this. we know they have pulled isn't agents within the west, inside a berlin, inside the uk, inside of other nato countries, they are not fearful of going into these countries and attacking these kind of people. but taking it up to the level of a ceo of an arms manufacturer that just shows they're not going to hold bar any holds too. to basically threaten individual's to try and influence them to quit

supporting ukraine. it's very dangerous, but it's kind of right out of a spy novel yeah, certainly. >> all alright, lieutenant general mark hertling, always great to see you. thanks so much. >> great to see you, jessica. thank you. >> so the come president biden working the phones right now as he speaks with a number of democratic caucuses, all as he rally support around his reelection bid, we have new reaction from lawmakers who were on those calls that's next it appears that despite my sinister efforts, employees are still managing their own hr and payroll. >> why would you think near humans deserve to do their own payroll? because their livelihoods depend on it, because they have bills to bay. hear me now return the world of hr and payroll to its rightful place of chaos or face as tsunami want to save on some of the biggest names in streaming on the network made for streaming? x marks the spot.

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