likely occurred outside. this does seem like it was some sort of long-range incident that came from the right of the and we'll see more when the secret service starts to feel briefing the public presumably they will be making a statement soon about what their assessment is right now, what happened if there were in fact gunshots that hit the the former president on the right side of his face near his ear right now. >> it's a very, very serious situation that we're watching unfold that i said keeps saying history in the making right now. you don't often see this, but unfortunately you see it once in a while and it's pretty scary. every time you do, i want to bring in our senior medical correspondent and trauma neurosurgeon, dr. sanjay gupta, who's with us right now. sanjay. what's your analysis? we all saw the former president speak >> speaking all of a sudden, we heard some noises sounded to me

like gunshots, but we haven't confirmed that. we haven't heard from the fbi or the secret service confirming that, but you could see him raise his right hand towards his face. then you can see some blood and then he goes down. secret service agents rushed the stage over there and bring them over over to a vehicle very, very carefully. but you hear her heard from the crowd a lot of screaming, a lot of shouting, get down, get down, get down what's your assessment, sanjay? >> well, i'm seeing is obviously the same thing. every one is there was obviously an indication that he recognized something that happened, felt pain whatever that was, we don't know. then goes down. he looks like he does that of his own volition as opposed to sort of collapsing these are all important clues and then obviously once we see him finally raised backup, he does seat. you see the blood all over the right side of his face. you also see him sort of pumping his fist into the air, walking on his own. it looks like they're there covering him

up, but he is walking on his own when they when they get him out of there a couple of things. there's a lot that's unknown and so from a medical standpoint, that's sort of broadens probably the workout you've got to see what we see. but was there something else that happened as well that we really didn't see and that he himself may not even be aware of if we don't know. again, these are gunshots but if there were the sounds like there were several where else could there be any other injuries? could there be an injury when he actually went to the ground as well? we'll separate from whatever caused the problem in the first place. but the point being wolf, that from a trauma standpoint, that's sort of just entails a very full workup. let's make sure nothing is missed here, we all see what we see. but what about what we don't see or what we don't recognize or what the former president himself may not recognize in the moment, in terms of possible injuries, it's not to say that there are any, but one of the things that has to happen is a very

complete workup. i'll give you an example, even a, let's say because they grazing of the bullet was that just soft tissue, was there a skull fracture, anything like that? you got to look for these things to make sure you don't miss it again, was there any other injuries either in the initial moment or from the being on the ground, being led out of there, you've got look. so my guess is we're going to hear about you can do these workups fairly quickly, but they need to be done. wolf they certainly do. >> and what was especially scary to me, sanjay is not only when the former president raised his right hand towards the side of his face. but then you saw blood near the ear. i don't know if it was coming from the year or near the ear. something happened that caused the blood to emerge. and then he went down. that was pretty scary stuff. when i saw that yeah, me too. i mean, it's it's it's really scary i will say when again, these are just

observations here, but it looked like he sort of went down on his own as opposed to collapsing these are the sorts of things that the medical team is going to want to know. did was there a reason for him to have collapsed? doesn't look like it to me looking at that video clearly looks like he raised his hand. he recognizes something has happened that got his attention, got everyone's attention. but a couple of points to make again, is that was that the only thing? was there something else wasn't an injury when he went to the ground, was there an injury when he was transported out? again even the sort of escorting them out of there, getting him out of there, you got to like, pay attention to everything in terms of possible injuries doesn't look like, he's raising his hand. that's a good sign obviously, he's walking on his own. that's a good sign, obviously. but you gotta be thorough in terms of actually checking for all these things from a trauma standpoint, the neurosurgeons clearly, but just the trauma surgeons as well? >> yeah, it's just really a

frightening development indeed, as we see him, i don't know if he's walking or raids being effectively carried out by secret service agents who have surrounded him as he emerges from that stage and into that vehicle just moments ago, we're watching this carefully. cnn's evan perez is joining us. evan, you've got some new reporting including some reaction from the trump campaign. what are you learning well wolf right now, what we're hearing from some of the law enforcement officials is they're still trying to assess what exactly happened. >> they obviously know that there was an incident. they know that the former president is being treated for any possible injuries. but, from what you can see on the video not only you know, he has it appears that he's been injured but also that if there was a round that was fired who may have where they're graded at go that's going to be part of a longer term investigation. we haven't a statement from the secret service, which right now oh, this is the only thing they're saying. they're acknowledging. they say that an incident occurred at the trump rally in pennsylvania, the

secret service is implemented. protective measures and the former president is safe. this is now an active secret service investigation and further information will be released when available. we also heard a trump campaign in spokesman who issued a statement saying that he was thanking the law enforcement and that he is obviously being treated right now and they believe he's he's fine. more details. they say will follow again not none not a lot of information coming from law enforcement for sprint or from the trump campaign as to exactly the nature of whatever injury he may have had. and so that's what one of the big questions right now will you can hear, i think some of our guests have talked about they could you could hear that appears in some of the audio that someone says, shooter down so that's one of the questions is whoever fired haredis round, what's the status of that person? have they been detained? this is now obviously

something that obviously happens very rarely in this country, but this is now going to be an investigation. most likely, led by the secret service, but also involving the fbi. i talked to sources, right. just a few minutes ago and secret services is waiting. and the fbi every is waiting to see what more is needed at the scene before launching any additional resources, you saw the swat team sort of come in there too, to protect the former president that's the first, obviously part of this. now begins the investigation to find out who did this and whether they can face obviously they're going to be facing charges for trying to take a shot against the former president when you could see all the people behind the former president ducking down as soon as they heard the shots or whatever that noise was, as soon as trump went down they went down as well. let me just carefully read the statement that the trump spokesperson, steven chung, just issued

quote, president trump, thanks, law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this act. he is fine and is being checked out and a local medical facility. more details? we'll follow that statement from steven chung of the trump campaign we're getting more statements coming in right now. the house speaker, mike johnson, just posted on x that he is quote, praying for president trump, praying for president trump moments after the former president was taken off stage, after we was clearly injured in an incident at this campaign rally in butler, pennsylvania, the house gop conference chair elise stefanik also posted in that same x platform. please pray for president trump, his family, and all of the patriots at today's rally in pennsylvania so statements, reaction coming in very, very quickly and i'll read one more time. the secret service official statement that just came in from the chief of

communications of the u.s. secret service, and incident occurred the evening of july 13, at a trump rally in pennsylvania. the secret service has implemented protective measures. and the former president is safe this is now an active secret service investigation. and further information will be released when available. that statement from the chief of communications for the u.s secret service. i want to bring in our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller, who's with us, watch that, right now watching all of this unfold. what's your analysis, john? well what you see, and we've seen it several times on our air is you hear that happen? you see the president reach for his ear you see him put him down service on top of him. but as you listen to that audio, very carefully, what you'll hear, what is what appears to be secret service agents after a second volley of sounds that they'll pop, pop,

pop, pop, pop they found shooter is down we are working to confirm that with the secret service, but that's what the audio at the scene tells us. and we do hear that there is a person in custody after that. what you see is everything happened as jonathan wackrow described it. firstly counter assault team, when you can hear them in hot guy is here, spreads out and adds that protective field with the long guns. you see them decide that that is the moment. now that they've got that coverage to move the presently former president, towards the vehicles there's an ambulance is there, but instead they put him in the arm which is a decision because the conscious he's alert moving rather have the protection of that armored vehicle. and then you see them move him out towards medical care? what you then see is the clearing of that area wolf as jonathan also described,

that's a crime scene. now wherever they encountered the shooter, if in fact that's what happened, that is a key part of it. whatever shell casings or other evidence or a weapon may recover that's a part of it. what you see when you look at the aerial view of this area is a wide open fairground with race track around it and very low slung buildings. there isn't high ground for a sniper so it suggests that someone was probably not inside the perimeter possibly shooting from outside that perimeter possibly with a long gun to make this happen because people who come into that inner perimeter, the actual rally would have been mapped and checked for weapons we would assume they would have been maga and checked for weapons. and let's hope that they were, but this is clearly very, very disturbing. john, stay with us. i want to play for viewers who may just be tuning in right now the video of what exactly

happened, we will start with the former president's speaking and then all of a sudden we hear some bangs thanks, which we believe were gunshots. and then he raises his right hand to the side of his face is right side of his face near his ear. and then we see some blood. but let me play that video from the top, john, and then we'll discuss a little bit more. watch this a, little bit all that chart that yards a couple of months old and if you want to really see something they said, take a look what happened are you ready on, you good to know let

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miller, you can see the secret service agents as they escorted trump down those stairs, completely surrounding him in case there were someone still outside. the area over there with a weapon potentially could fire sobor bullets if in fact, that is exactly what happened in the course of this very very scary, dangerous situation that unfolded a little while ago in butler, pennsylvania, a few miles north of pittsburgh at this campaign rally that we've been watching very closely. but as you look at it very closely, john, give us your analysis well, what you saw there was you heard the two shots fired approximately a second and-a-half. take a leap seconds

later. you hear a lot of shots fired that's the first two now back in bali of gaza that is likely shooter. and returning fire as you see, the president down, you hear clearly those secret service agents i'm getting ready to move them and then they say shooter is down. shooter is down. we're good to go. let's move on now that was good that the shooter is down, and that's where i apparently they were able to escort trump off that stage into that vehicle. >> and according to the secret service, he's now in a medical facility getting some treatment and making sure again, there's going to be okay. they say he's safe. we'll get more details presumably, very, very soon jonathan wackrow a former secret service agent, any additional analysis, any additional points you want to make that i was very impressive

how the secret service reacted. so, so quickly. and as you correctly pointed out, this is what they train for, god forbid, the shooting incident involving a president or a former president. and people might not know that former presidents of the united states get extensive secret service protection long after they leave the white house and i think there's one thing i want to just talk about the security structure that's put around the former president right now there is an extensive security program. there's a detail that's with the president in 24 hours a day, but also you have to remember the former president isn't that long out of office? there are still threats that linger that carryover from his time in office. and because of that, you actually see a robust structure around former president trump that coupled with the fact that he is a presidential candidate. so thankfully today you actually saw a lot of those assets that usually are in the bank at ground, actually come at, come to the forefront in react very

quickly. one of which is the tactical teams, the counter assault teen. you actually see that tactical team come on to stay onto the stage. there. they provide a secondary ring of protection around the former president. again, ensuring that they can suppress any secondary threat that it presents itself. and then helped move the former president safely from the stage again, moving off of the x, moving from the stage back to the armored limousine. and again, moving the president away from this site. so you're seeing a on the oddest things a lot of actions by the secret service and assets of the secret service come into play that typically the general public does not witness. but here you're seeing everything you'll fall into place exactly as every single one of these agents are trained for. and again, i cannot stress enough that the countless hours that these agents put into this

exact moment, again, focusing on an attack on the principle on a stage, making that principle safe. and then moving them to a safe secondary location. and if there is any type of medical concern which in this case there is there is the medical components that these agents are trained for in the near term until other additional medical personnel are able to examine the former president's. so again, quick reaction by the secret service, quick reaction by law enforcement partners. really prevented what could have been a real tragedy today? >> yeah. and they say the former president is now at a medical facility getting treatment because you can see the blood on the side of his face over there near his ear we don't know where that blood why that blood originated, whether it was a gunshot wound or a fell and something else happened. but we're going to be getting a lot more information in the minutes ahead to be sure. sure statements are coming in from all over the place. we're

getting a lot more detail on what exactly happened julia kayyem is with us as well. juliette used to work at the department of homeland security. this is a nightmare scenario that we've been watching, but give us your analysis. >> really you see well. first of all, i mean, the nightmare scenario is because it's, this is not over. i mean, first you're going to have of course, the investigation. what in fact, we're the noises lots of rumors on the on x and elsewhere about maybe someone is down or someone there were other victim how. is the former president and also the candidate to be present for the republicans? and then let's just fast forward it. we are in an increased threat environment regardless of what happened today and the and what is about to happen isn't entire party and its political leadership it is meeting for their convention starting essentially tomorrow that increased threat environment means that the security is going to have to change afford the convention,

it's posturing is going to have to change to ensure that whatever was the cause of this and the motivations do not actually real for their head. again, we already, well, i mean, i received this stuff is still from the department. we were already an increased threat environment for both conventions for different reasons and that increase will be felt over essentially now until november 3rd, if not, after we are now in the moment that a lot of us have been morning on that that aren't democracy this was, this was a it looks like we averted a tragedy. most people younger than you and me have not experienced a potential assassination. i want to be careful here, attempt on a candidate or a prize isn't it let alone a former president. the democracy, our democracy we know, is fractured. and people have been more prone to utilize

violence or the threats of violence in 2024, we are now seeing the results of that and how we come back from this brink is not at all clear, right now. this is a moment and a tragedy especially if there are other victims. but it is also a signal that all of us have to come together and bring us from this fracturing that leads to this kind of violence and the threats of violence that permeate or democracy. we are heading into a convention weak right now with a potential threat or, or, or whatever it was right now. we're still going to wait and we have to be careful about what we say donald trump and the people around him perceive themselves to be under threat. and that's all that matters. that is that is not legitimate. that is wrong you hear the screams from the audience, people are terrified and that is the kind of atmospheres that we are

going to be living with. and i don't have a good answer about how we bring it back right now. there's this is just, this is going to be an investigation, but it's larger. it's about our democracy, right now. >> yeah, it's really, really a scary, scary moment in american history as we watch all of this unfold. and andrew mccabe is with us, former deputy director of the fbi. andrew, i assume as a result of this incident, security and all these presidential rallies whether at the convention in milwaukee, this it's coming week or at the democratic convention in chicago in august, a few weeks down the road. and all these other political rallies security is going to be heightened dramatically out of an extensive abundance of caution as we watch what's going on. but i'm anxious to get your thoughts no question about it. >> wolf security will which is already very high for any sort of event involving a president

or a former president they will they will elevate that bar even higher now and a lot of how they think about securing the next round of rallies and gatherings will be informed by what they learned from this investigation that will now take place about this attack. so let's talk about that really quickly. jonathan was absolutely right that the secret service will hold this crime scene and then the fbi will come in and conduct that investigation. i can tell you from my experience running the counter terrorism division, make it look probably the entirety of the pittsburgh field offices on their way back into the office right now to start that work, as well as the counter terrorism division here at fbi headquarters and they will start by coursing over that scene with incredible detail to retreat every single piece of evidence they possibly can find whether that's fragments of projectiles or blood spatter. they'll look for

things that people may have left behind. they'll try to recreate take that entire event forensically, which they will do with the assistance of the evidence response team from the film, from the pittsburgh office and then other assets. they'll send in from the region. this will be investigated. i'm sure as a potential act of terrorism anytime there is a act of violence directed at the political figure, it's certainly a former president is about as high on that list as you can get that's going to be treated as an act of potential act of terrorism, act of domestic terrorism as it should be there will be no resource or efforts spared in figuring out exactly who did this now, if they no, that already they have a shooter who has already been taken into custody or eliminated that investigation will focus on that person and any network are associates that they might have had because that's the piece that will tell you what you need to think about and protect from the

rallies and the events that come. you want to let's see if whoever was involved in this might have been planning other attacks are maybe the thinking about other events and you want to render every piece of intelligence you can investigation to help better protect the former president and the current president. and the rest of our political figures going forward so it's a scary and dark time that we are going into. now, the fact that we have this sort of political violence rearing its ugly head. again, in the united states is incredibly concerning and something every american should take note of and we are getting word andrew, that the shooter involved in this incident at the trump rally in pennsylvania is no longer an immediate threat that according to multiple law enforcement sources, we had heard people shouting, shooter is down, shooter is down so it looks like that shooter and i'm sure they're going to be investigating who this alleged

shooter was and is as you correctly point out, if he's just an isolated incident or part of some sort of group that's behind this kind of terror that we're watching right now. >> so we're watching this very, very closely. this investigation has clearly andrew only just beginning evan, you're getting yeah. evans getting some more information on the shooter. what are you learning of him? >> well, that's right wolf. we're now hearing from multiple law enforcement sources that the term that's being used by law enforcement is that the shooter the person who fired the shot at the former president, has been neutralized. now generally that word is used when someone is dead, that that person is no longer a threat. and that is the word that law enforcement tends to use when a threat to someone who is a protectee in this case, the former president is no longer a threat. so that's what the word that's

being used by law enforcement that he's been neutralized, that the person the shooter has been neutralized. now we expect that we're going to hear a lot more in the few minutes in the next few minutes or in the next in a couple of it coming hours from the u.s. secret service, because now they're trying to put together an investigation into the way this could have happened. obviously, there's a there's a, there's a team that is in place it's there with the former president. they're going to they're good at collecting evidence. they know how to do that. and so that's one of the first things that happens is to try to secure the crime scene and to determine everything about how this came to be. where did this shooter, this person, get access to the grounds? is it? syed, was it outside was this person essentially a sniper who was firing at the former president, all of their background, all of that stuff is being done. now, as we speak, now, the fbi is also there in the case of ronald

reagan, the former president ronald reagan when he was shot by hi john hinckley junior. that became an fbi or a secret service and an fbi investigation that obviously went to all of all of the parts of that of that case. and so that is likely what is going to happen here. wolf but right now, again, we're still just getting the basic information from the scene as you pointed out, the shooter is no longer asserted, no longer believed to be a threat to the safety of that scene. and so now the investigation moves to another phase. so that's what we know at this point that the shooter was neutralized and that's a term again, that we hear from law enforcement when they mean that that the shooter is dead. >> and i think it's significant, evan, correct me if i'm wrong, when law enforcement officials are used, the word shooter that's a very, very specific word that means that someone was firing

shots at the former president of the united states it wasn't just some banging noises were heard. these were gunshots when i when i was watching this live and i heard that noise to me, it sounded like a gunshot right away, but now that multiple law enforcement sources are calling this individual who fired these shots, the shooter, i think that's significant than what we know. right? >> that's right. well, look, i mean, i think the word that there is a lot of caution by the secret service and releasing some of this information would probably going to hear from them very, very soon with a lot more information about exactly what happened with this incident. but yes. i mean the idea is that there is some kind of shot that was fired at the former president or in that direction. and that he was injured by something. now, again, it could be a gunshot. there's a lot of speculation online about what kind of could be appellate of some kind. again, those are things that we're going to find out more concretely

obviously, when the crime scene is the crime scene is up and running and the secret service is able to get a lot more information out about exactly the nature of this incident, but yes, you what you're what you're detecting is obviously that law enforcement believes that someone fired a shot at the former president. now, what kind? mugshot that is again, is something that we have to hear more directly from law enforcement in the coming hours all right. >> everybody standby. i want to play the video one more time. let's watch what unfolded and it starts with the former president donald trump speaking to this crowd and butler, pennsylvania, and then all of a sudden we hear what we now can confirm, gunshots. and then he raises his right hand to his face. then you see some blood coming out and he goes down. but let's watch the video and additional time right now, especially for viewers who might just be tuning in oh that's a little bit all that chart that charts a couple of months old. and if you want to

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me i got you. >> let me get my shoes your head so we're going to move t o yeah jonathan wackrow, former secret service agent. >> clearly those secret service agents who were there on the scene had trained for this, were well-prepared and they

managed to get the former president in united states thanks into that vehicle safely. we are told by multiple, multiple law enforcement sources that the shooter and that's the word they're using. the shooter involved in this incident at the trump rally in pennsylvania is no longer an immediate threat, but go ahead and give us the latest information you're getting. >> yes. well, listen what we heard evan talked about was, you that the statement was that the threat has been neutralized or the shooter has been neutralized that actually now confirms what we heard the agents on the stage in that audio just a moment ago, actually say, now, i want to just we. heard we heard those secret service agents say shooter is down. shooter is down. what you heard so that's actually really important will and the reason being is because as the agents came in and pushed the former president down and they basically create

a tackle him down and they put themselves in between the former president and the threat. >> they're not going to move that former president or any protectee if there's active rounds coming in. so when we heard that word, the shooter is down was really important. that was a key moment for the detail leader to then make the call we're going to move to the next terrain feature. we're going to take the protectee in this case former president trump. we are going to remove him from the this stage and we're going to move him the immediate action is to move them to the armored limo again, getting into a safe location as quickly as possible. now the question remains, who address that threat? we know that there was a shooter who neutralize that threat. was it a member of the secret service? was a member of law enforcement. and i think it's important to understand that when you think about the site dynamics here in the way that secret service protective methodology is actually applied to this type

of event. it's actually concentric rings of protection. what we're witnessing on air in looking at the stage is the closest ring to the protectee. but that ring radiates out in terms of law enforcement, special agents, private security firms, all of that combined create the security structure of this site. so what we don't know right now is who actually identified that threaten the moment. and then jonathan hold on for me. if there is an amino hold on for a moment, the associated press is now reporting that according to the local da, the suspected gunman, and at least one rally attendee are now dead. very disturbing information in a local prosecutor says, the suspected gunman, at least one attendee are dead. that's a significant development in and of itself. right there. the shooter, the suspected gunman, as they're calling them, and one attendee is dead in this in this incident go ahead,

jonathan wackrow finish your thought. >> well, i mean, it just it talks about the gravity and the tragedy that just occurred, right. we have a a member who attended this rally who is now dead. it talks about the dynamic and unpredictable nature that these threats but again, law enforcement trains for this. and wolf, what i was saying just before that information was we did hear the initial gunfire. then there was a slight pause and then you heard rapid gunfire in response so to me, not just listening to that audio shows that there was a shooter and then there was some response from law enforcement. and now we heard from evan at that that the shooter was neutralized. we heard from the agents on the stage that the shooter was was down. so that was a key moment for the agents. part of the shift to then be able to feel that it was a safe enough moment or there was a lull in

the gunfire that they could they could move the president from the stage to the to the limousine when state and when the appropriate assets were surrounding the former president to include that tactical team that we're seeing we're seeing the agents just create that bubble around the president as they're moving him offstage. what you're seeing again is if you look into the crowd, you're seeing special agents. everyone has their weapons out there scanning for, you secondary threats there ensuring that that wasn't a distraction action in that another threat was coming inbound. so you see a heightened sense of awareness increased situational awareness by all members of law enforcement, even as the president is being moved off of stage, again, really important in great work by all law enforcement, including the secret service yeah. >> and once again, now the suspected gunman in this particular case is dead, and at least one rally attendee is

dead as well. more information is coming in a relatively quickly, right now, you see and jonathan wackrow, i just wanted to get your thought. were when he clearly is hit on the side of his face near his neck. there is ear trump falls down. i don't think the secret service was pushing him down at that point, although they did go down and then eventually lift them up and take him to a vehicle. but it looked like he just went down right away as he raised his right hand towards the side of his face listen to it could be i don't no. >> what type of instructions? the detail leader had given to former president when protection had started. do you typically when there was a perceived threat, we tell the protectee's to you to lower down the safest place for them to be when there's a perceived threat is to go down. that's the safest syrian, the agents are right there on top of them. so again, i think that in this moment you could see the former

president was looking towards the right again the moment that he felt something hit potentially hit his ear or that he felt that he was in danger. he did the right thing by going down. now, again, we don't know what other injuries the former president may have sustained in this moment again, the secret service came immediately on top of them. the detail leader would have been doing a rapid assessment to see if there were any secondary wounds, any other type of injury prior to moving the former president, we didn't get to see that because they were they were down behind that front shield the bunting and the front of the stage. but that's what's going on with the secret service all the while gaining intelligence and gaining information around what is the situation and ensuring seen safety before the president is moving. >> yeah, that's the most important thing to make sure they are protected because the former president of the united states and get them to a safe location. and we're now told by his campaign, he is at a

medical facility getting treatment for what just happened. pamela brown is with us here in the cnn newsroom. you're getting new information. what are you learning that he did confirm one spectator is dead, that this shooter is dead. >> a second spectator isn't serious condition. importantly, former president trump is going to be ok. we know from the trump campaign statement that he is going to be fine. the district attorney confirms that he is going to be okay. he was removed from the scene as we know from the u.s. secret service. now, the district attorney did not know if the shooter died through a self-inflicted wound or not. we also don't know more details about what kind of shooter this was. i think we need to be really careful until we find out more. i asked you know, was this did the shooter have a gun? is that what you're saying? he said i can't confirm that right now. i can't confirm from anything about bullets or anything like that. so i think we need to be really careful till we get the actual confirmation of what kind of shooter this was. but the butler district attorney,

richard goldfinger, is confirming that one spectator is dead. a second spectator isn't serious condition and the shooter is dead. i asked him, how did this person, this shooter that he did not have details about biden the way get through security and get get have access to caused an injury to the former president. there. and he said to me, look, that's the million dollar question right now. that is what we're all trying to figure out and we know the u.s secret service right now is leading this investigation that's a big question because as we've heard, we just heard earlier from from wackrow, jonathan wackrow, wolf, the security is so tight at these campaign events, you have a former president, their security is tight as it gets and how this happened is just a major question. >> yeah, they got to learn from this incident because this campaign, these campaigns are only just beginning and the current president united states is about to go to a whole bunch of the rallies as well. and there's got to be heightened security at all of these events. there's a republican convention in milwaukee this week that a democratic

convention in chicago, a few weeks later in august, already there than planning even before this incident major major security concerns various department of homeland security officials fbi officials, local law enforcement us military, and others have been engaged in worrying about what potentially could happen at these two conventions. and now as a result of this, i'm sure security is going to be expanded even more so. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, you can imagine security was already going to be tied at the republican national convention. the democratic like one. now it's lesson this is historic. what has happened here today, where you have the republican nominee for president, a former president donald trump who is injured, you have a shooter that somehow made it. his or her way and to that space enough to injure the former president. you have a spectator who is now dead, and you have another spectator who is in serious condition this is, this

is historic, this is a huge deal, and this is going to be the top focus for the secret service to figure out what happened. i'm in touch with the butler county district attorney, who by the way, says he can make it on the show in a little bit. so we look forward to hearing directly from him. >> we'd like to speak to him if you can. make sure he calls him. if even on phone or video, we'd like to get his thoughts and let our viewers know exactly what he knows. it's interesting that they're calling this a suspected gunman to shooter so clearly there were shots fired at the former president of the united states. that's why you could see him raising his hand. and blood coming out of the side of his face. we're watching all of this unfold. pamela. excellent reporting. thank you very much joining us on the phone right now is kip tom. he was at the event in butler, pennsylvania and he was actually about 40 feet or so away from the former president debt kept give us your eyewitness account. what can you tell us yes. >> as you said, i was about 40 feet away to the right of

former president trump. and but i saw the gun smoke and i saw her the fire immediately, but it was coming from the stands to the left of president trump towards the top because you can see the guns snow about that time is when president trump went down to seem like there was maybe six or seven shots a little bit of a pause. and a person behind me about 15 foot was hit. i'm not so sure he is the one that was killed. but then i thought i heard there's a little bit of a pause then i thought there was gunshots that came from behind me at the same elevation as across. now it could have been just echoing across the area where we were all sitting. but the reality is it really seemed like there was a costly a second shooter a second shooter, is that what you suspected? because we haven't gotten any word of that yet i know that, but i'm just saying if first i saw that gun smoke coming from across. i knew right away what to look

for and i saw it over there and then there is a big cloud of dust that appeared and then the shots stop but then additional gunfire occurred and i thought it was coming from behind me and people around me were turning around and looking up and behind us, which had been stage right. of president trump because the additional gunfire earlier we had been told probably came from law enforcement, either the secret service or local law enforcement who were shooting the suspected gunman in this particular case. >> and now we're told by the butler county district attorney here, richard goldinger, that the suspected gunman is dead another person at the rally is dead in a second spectator is described as being in serious condition right now. you must have been so scared out of your mind as all of this was unfolding, kept give us your sense? >> you know, i've been trained long time ago to stay calm and

i actually continue to stand up and look for where the gunfire was coming from and also was watching over one to see how trump is reacting and make sure that he recovered and they got him off stage. but the whole audience. i don't think no one knew how to react at the time. it was a big surprise. some people probably thought it was fireworks to start with but as people exited, you heard all kinds of talk about was it just fireworks? there was someone shot are just they didn't realize the president had been shot so you were only about 40 feet away from the former president of the united states to get into that rally, did you have to go through a metal magnetometers? >> yes. everybody went through metal magnetometers that i understood. they probably had a rack of i don't know, maybe eight or ten of them running so everybody who walked in and that even relatively close to the former president went through metal detectors. >> is that what you're saying?

>> yes, sir. >> all right. >> that was the goal, you know, i can't i can't verify that everybody went through, but they were set up to screen everybody. and do you know how far away the suspected shooter was from the president? >> i would have said if you went off to the side area, you're talking 40 probably 100 foot away, hundred and 20 foot away, maybe. >> you think people that far away went through metal detectors to yes. yeah. i mean, they were setting in the state is to the right into the left and then there course people in behind. president trump sitting behind him as well. >> yeah. so that's encouraging that at least security was tight. we don't know how this suspected shooter got as close as he apparently did to the former president of the united states and fired shots at the former president. and in the process killed somebody who was just there. and then this shooter is now dead as well. we

heard the secret service agents shouty got shooter down. shooter is down and shooter is down so we suspected that shooter had been shot by local law enforcement or the secret service or the fbi, or the military, all of whom protect a former president of the united states just as they protect a sitting president of the united states. any other points you want to make kip before i let you go no. >> i mean, it was after just a number of the shots came off that you could tell there was a different caliber gun shot so there was a lot going on there, but i'm saying it was after 567 shots. i heard a different caliber gun being fired, so i assume that's a secret service with their guns they haven't identified musheir to get him. >> yeah. well, kept. i'm happy. you're okay. and a lot of other people. okay. this could have been god forbid, even a whole lot worse than it

already has been reported. kip tom. thank you very much for calling in. we appreciate it very much. john miller is still with us, our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst do you want to give us john your analysis of what we just heard from this eyewitness sure. and i think what ambassador tell him has experiencing is what we call the fog of war, which is having been there as the eyewitness and remembering it the way he remembers it. but as we have shown this video, a number of times, what you hear is to three rapid shots before the president goes down. and when i say goes down people, his agents are yelling down and he grabs his ear and he puts himself down on the ground and then they go around them. but what you hear immediately, immediately after that you hear a multiple stock law enforcement returning fire against the shooter. now, the question that keeps coming up, and we can get enlightenment on this from jonathan wackrow is how does the shooter get into a rally or close enough to shoot

down a presidential candidate? hi and he ever everybody sees something to taking what we are being told by my law enforcement sources now is that the shooter was fields outside the perimeter of this event. this fence then event that he made his way to blow rooftop of the single story building. and when you look at this see that it's a giant field surrounded by these low buildings there like one story buildings, possibly stables that he made his way to the roof, hop that you've fired shots and that the counter sniper teams in place likely for just that purpose, probably returned that fire because that's where you hear that six or seven shots of a different caliber in rapid succession. and then total quiet so these are told by far enforcement according and that

will be the end of this entire second chapter, which is who is he? where is he from what do we learn from the background investigation talked to his friends, his family, digging into his social media the search warrant that's going to be being drawn up right now as we speak to hit his house or what house he's staying in, these phones, computers documents, and so on, because they're going to need to know, is this alone individual who did this completely on their own? is this person part of on group, either one that exists in life or exists online. are there others in this group? we are at the very, very early stages. but i think one of the things that jonathan wackrow could help us with is at these events, there's the counter assault team. they're ready to engage anybody that comes forward as threat, especially an armed threat but they're also the counter sniper teams.

now, this is a very challenging environment. you've got this field, this wide-open field. you have the president at one former president at one of his rallies there's no high ground around it, except for these low rooftop buildings and i'm being told by sources that the shooter had climbed up on to one of these singular story rooftops and use that to shoot over the fence into the event he wasn't inside the event so that is how the information is shaping up now, i'm going to preface the saying, of course this information is early. it will evolve and possibly change, but that's the facts that law enforcement is working on, right this minute and we are told once again that the suspected shooter has been quote, neutralized, meaning he he's been shot and killed by authorities, law enforcement on the scene jonathan wackrow, explain to our viewers what a counter assault team and a counter sniper team from the secret service is all about

well wolf, these are tactical assets that the secret service has in place that support the working shifts. so when you think about what we typically see with the president, united states former president's is we typically see the word hurricane shift. those women and men that are the close protection around the protectee. but supporting that for the tactical support is the counter assault team that is for all intents and purposes, that is a tactical team that works to support the protection of the former president and their job is just as john miller stated they are there to suppress any immediate threat presents itself or they in some instances may draw the fire of an attack. again to allow the working shift enough time to move the protectee away. the

long-range threats. and this is what we think that this incident is involving. the long-range threats are mitigated through the counter sniper team. and again, that's another tactical asset. what they're looking at is out beyond the security perimeter. they're looking for that long-range threat, that rifle range threat that could potentially present itself. again, what we don't know is whether or not they were the ones that engage this this shooter or if it was a oppose stand or a member of local law enforcement that worked along the perimeter to neutralize that threat. but right now what we're seeing is in a different side of the secret service, you're seeing how they react in these dynamic situations. and we're seeing in introducing the counter assault team, the counter sniper team, you're starting to see other assets that are present all the time. we just don't talk about it in the media that often, but it is really important to talk about that right now because

they played a very important role in successfully resolving this situation to move the president, the former president, off that stage and into that limousine and once again, we're told that at least one spectator at this trump rally in pennsylvania is dead. >> another was injured in this shooting at the rally for donald trump in butler, pennsylvania. that according to the butler county district attorney richard goldinger, who has been speaking to cnn, the suspected shooter, he says is also dead. he did not know golden or did not know if the shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound? injured spectator is in serious condition right now priscilla alvarez is joining us over at the white house right now. i understand we're getting some reaction from the white house. priscilla well, we're still waiting for that reaction by our from the white house, we

have asked the white house for comment on the matter. >> i should note wolf, that when this incident did happen the president was at math as he is currently in rehoboth, where he has a residence, right when he departed church, right around 623 is when reporters asked him if he had been briefed. he had said no. we now know however, that he has been continuously briefed by senior officials that includes homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. now, we should remind viewers the president is not here at the white house he is at, he is at his residence in delaware and we are waiting to hear reaction from the president on this incident. wolf that's the incident right there. that's the answer to right now. pamela brown, you're getting some more information. what else are you learning? that's right. our ryan young is learning from the secret service that the shooter or the trump rally was killed by the u.s. secret service, who were shot and killed was shot and killed as was not a self-inflicted was

not assault inflicted wound. so this is new critical information coming in that the shooter was killed by the u.s. secret service and an attendee, as we reported earlier, was also killed during the incident, the u.s. secret service confirming that, and this is really interesting one, because we heard from john miller earlier saying that he is learning from his sources that the shooter was actually on a outside the perimeter, but on a low roof and was able to obviously gain access to former president trump and this other attendee in another that was killed and another one that was entered and harm them and killed two. and so we are now learning that the u.s. secret service was able to locate that shooter, kill the shooter and the threat now, what is interesting here is normally what you will hear is that there was an all-clear that they ruled out that there are any other gunman or accomplices that is not happened yet. i will say, well, typically in these situations, it is a lone gunman, but that does not mean that that is always the case. and so that is also something

that i'm looking out for. is there an all-clear now that we know the secret service has killed this shooter has the threat there at the scene been completely eradicated? >> and even if he was at this particular incident, a lone gunman that doesn't mean this individual did have contact. exactly. a group of other individuals who may have been no planning this. >> and behind this whole incident, we don't know we don't know. and that is something that law enforcement right now, i guarantee there are going through any, you know, any chat sessions, anything online to look for any clues as they tried to identify the shooter figure out who this shooter might have been talking to leading up to this event and find out if this shooter organized or worked with any accomplices that's all part of this all part of any investigation. and this as we noted, wolf is being led by the u.s. secret service because you're dealing with a former us president and a presidential nominee for the republican party here. >> yeah, secret service is responsible for protecting not only sitting president's but former president and major

republican and democratic presidential candidates as well. that's the secret service jobs. so we're watching all of this very, very serious i i think dr. sanjay gupta is still with us all down. sanjay for a second. alayna treene is getting some more information. i understand you're with an eyewitness, alayna anyway i am, yes. hi wolf. i'm here with joseph, mine. he was sitting actually behind donald trump in the bleachers today when this all unfolded, he i'm going to let him share exactly what he saw. it was very harrowing moment that he he was there for please tell us what happened. >> you know, with the trump was attending the rally it seems initially like firecrackers went off it was a little bit is very confusing initially because i knew it was gunfire, but they could couldn't quite tell where it's coming from. it's not like it was coming from high in the bleachers. and a man in the bleachers kind of to the right of me in the

bleachers took a gunshot wound to the head it was killed and another woman i don't know exactly where she wasn patient think she's a look behind me or to the right and may cheek got around in the she got hit in the forearm and it looked like but she was when she wasn't killed can i ask you how you're feeling? >> obviously, you just witnessed something terrible happen a lot of chaos was in the room. how exactly are you feeling right now, joseph? >> it's something you don't expect you know, it's like it's a bold out of the blue, so it's very shocking. it just i think a lot of people in the crowd just said it was fireworks going off. i knew immediately was gunshots. i i knew there were close and then when i saw someone get hit and go down that's what i knew it was probably serious it's like confusion. it just massive confusion throughout the event i saw donald trump get hit it looked like he had he was either he was running my camera at the time, but it looked like he was just turning to the abuse. turning us head t