arguing it's not just politicians elected officials, it's news networks, its social media platforms. everybody today knows that headlines sizzle. so the more sizzling the headline people but mike click on it a chyrons people do watch that headlines and editorial rooms that matters, but also the awards that come from elected officials. we do have that capability, but we have to be focused on our arguments actually standing out for themselves and not trying to raise the temperature in order to get attention or get more focused on what we're trying to say. >> we had to demand better ourselves as regular people or leaves reflect us are they more polarized? we are also just as polarized. to. we have to stop looking to them. we have to do it ourselves to yeah, it is the responsibility of all of us. it is the responsibility of our elected leaders, yes, to lead but it is the responsibility also of each of us as voters we need to look and see how are our politicians acting how,

what are they saying? and do they deserve to be able to lead us thanks to our panel, thanks to you for joining us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now hello from milwaukee, wisconsin, i'm kate bolduan and the republican national convention is kicking off today and right now, donald trump is here in milwaukee, and this is less than 48 hours after surviving an fascination attempt we're standing by right now to find out when you may see him today and who you may see him with. >> he could be announcing at introducing his running mate as soon as this morning. there's also a lot of developments into the investigation into that tragic shooting saturday at his rally in pennsylvania, trump is talking in detail about what

happened and the impact and the fbi is still searching for a motive behind this shooting in a new interview here is some of trump's first reaction to what he lived through. i'm not supposed to be here. i'm supposed to be dead trump also saying that in light of this, he's making changes to as much anticipated convention speech slated for thursday, saying this, i had all prepared an extremely tough speech, really good. all about the corrupt, horrible administration but i threw it away. i want to try to unite our country, but i don't know if that's possible. people are very divided what a different day today is. and president biden is also appealing for unity and condemning the attack on his political rival, speaking to the nation front from with an oval office address last night a former president was shot. >> an american citizen killed while simply exercising his

freedom to support the candidate of his choosing. we cannot, we must not go down this road in america now also happening today, president biden is set to tape an interview with nbc news so much more to come from him as well. >> and in the backdrop, this investigation into the shooting is really at full tilt as as the scrutiny that the secret service is facing, right? now, we have team coverage of it, all from here in milwaukee and far beyond john berman and sara sidner are standing by in new york. let's start with cnn's steve contorno for the latest on donald trump and steve, what are you hearing from his team? this morning? >> well, donald trump last night giving a series of interviews really opening up for the first time about the harrowing experience of saturday, telling the new york post that the agent so tackled him were quote linebackers and they quote hit me so hard my shoes fell off and my shoes were on tights he also said that usually you have to die to have an account on a photo talking about that image of him

holding his fist in the air, blood on his face with american flag behind him. and another interview, he previewed his convention speech saying that he had tossed out what he had planned to say, calling the speech. he was going to give quotes a real humdinger had this not happened, this would have been one of the most incredible speeches honestly, it's going to be a whole different speech now. and really we expect this entire week to be different given what's happened in the past 48 hours. and if you think back to recent weeks, four weeks ago when we thought this convention was going to be a rallying cry around trump's sentencing, which was scheduled to take place please four days before today. then we have this debates and we expected the convention to be changed once again around a victory lap over president biden's debate performance and trump's momentum coming off of that. now this entire event and the tone of it has changed once again, and that's what we'll be watching for over the next few days. jfk absolutely.

>> steven mean it's like the schedule is not changing, is what they've suggested. but as you say, it's like a wholly different convention that we're going to see starting just today. steve standing by for us. let's get over to cnn's arlette saens. she's standing by at the white house arlette, president biden, he adjusted his schedule in light of the weekend attack. we heard him speaking from the oval office last night and a huge address. what are you hearing today well, kate, president biden is really trying to navigate a sensitive moment in this country's history as he is urging americans to lower the temperature in the wake of the assassination attempt against former president donald trump. now president biden was initially scheduled to travel to austin, texas today to speak at the lbj library, but his team teams scrapped those plans to have the president remained here at the white house, at least for a good portion of the day. the president this morning along with vice president kamala harris, will receive an updated briefing from law enforcement officials about this shooting. the president has said, he is marshaling all

of the resources of the federal government to ensure there is a thorough and swift investigation into this shooting as well as calling for an independent review of the security that was in place. at that rally in butler, pennsylvania. now, president biden so far has spoken three times since that is assassination attempt, and he is really trying to use this moment to urge americans to mean that unites and move past the anger and division that has consumed so much of this country. the president last night speaking in a very rare oval office address where he had this message for voters want to speak to you tonight about the need for us to lower the temperature in our politics and to remember or may disagree, we are not enemies we're neighbors are friends, co-workers, citizens. >> and most importantly, we are fellow americans. we must stand together. yesterday's shooting at donald trump's rally in pennsylvania, calls on all of us to take a step back. take stock of where we are, how we

go forward from here now, in the wake of the shooting, biden's campaign, paused all of its television advertisements and outgoing communications, including fundraising emails. >> it's unclear exactly when that will resume, but the president and democrats are expected to turn back to political and campaigning activity in the coming days, president biden this afternoon will be sitting down for an interview with nbc news, lester holt, something that initially was expected to address some of the surgeons around biden's candidacy after the debate performance, but now will take on a different kind of significance that later today he will travel to nevada where he will spend the next two days attending various events, including trying to speak to the latino and black voters while he is there. now, one thing that many will be watching this to see how exactly president biden will campaign in this moment last night, he said this should be a debate about character record and issues. that is something that he's expected to stress

throughout the coming weeks. but clearly, the president at this moment is trying to use his position of leadership to show that it's time for the country to unite, lower the temperature in the polls political discourse all at a time when there are so many people still reeling from that assassination attempt of donald trump both of these men making similar appeals. >> how, how is that accomplished? how long does that last huge questions with all of this, but both of them making that very same appeal for unity and bringing the but you're down right now. all about all because in the aftermath of this horrible shooting that happened, let's get the latest on the investigation. cnn's whitney wild has been tracking the law enforcement investigation into the into the shooter and trying to find a motive, whitney so far still fbi is not revealed a motive. what's the very latest you're hearing? well, it's very difficult, kate, because the fbi is still trying to get into the shooter cell phone. this man has left very little

public footprint. it is not clear that he had a robust social media presence it is not clear what he was saying and text messages and phone calls, although the fbi says that they do have some insights, just a few insights through, those phone calls and text messages. but this investigation, at least what happened on the ground, is going to rely heavily on what witnesses saw and what they say is that they saw a man matching that description carrying a rifle outside of the perimeter. and when that happened, there was an alert that was sent out. this is according to a senior law enforcement official, an alert went out about the shooter acting suspiciously outside of the perimeter. that information was passed along to the secret service. according to this official that cnn spoke with witnesses also say that they saw the gunman going rooftop to rooftop. there is a lot of video kate, of witnesses clearly seeing the gunman discussing it, shouting it, saying, officer, look, this man's on the roof here's what two witnesses say. they saw. here's their interview with

cnn no line of sight in they even looked at us and said, where's he at and we were pointing to them. you know, he's right there. they just they worked too close to the building. one officer didn't try to climb up on the building and and what he got all the way up and he just wanted to get up on top. and then he just kind of let go and fell to the ground. i don't know if the guy startled him or what exactly happened what we know kate is that the shooter's name is thomas matthew crooks. he's 20-years-old from bethel park, pennsylvania. that's about an hour south of where the shooting happened. we know that he is a registered republican, although he made a very nominal donation to a democratic aligned political action committee at some point. we also so no kate, that he used an a.r.-15 style rifle in the shooting that belonged to his father many more questions to

answer. kate absolutely so much. >> thank you. whitney, you've been working this ever since it happened. thank you so much and thank everyone. we've got much more to come from milwaukee as this >> on the ground, but who also interviewed donald trump within 24 hours after the assassination attempts. we are also standing by to hear from the milwaukee mayor about security plans for the convention there, right where kd is. and how speaker mike johnson vows to find out how law enforcement missed the gunman. >> we've gotten new details on the capitol hill. investors what does it mean to be out front? >> it's going there. we are just about three miles from the gaza border. its context and curiosity so you can be

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plans. that's because this situation has been planned for months and months and advances to the hardened security area. you look back this direction here you can see how vehicles want to enter this area. they have to go through a checkpoint like this one, where the thoroughly search they actually have canine and officers here that will smell a car to make sure there's no explosives. and then something that you see throughout this entire city is the metal gates and a lot of times they're reinforced behind their so vehicles can approach. and if you look down this direction, you can see how far this stretches. now, when you think about what happened this weekend, of course, people are talking about security. but this zone right here is so locked down. this is the highest level of security that you can have for an event they believe the planning that's been for more than a year is more than sufficient when it comes to a situation like this one, this hotel here, we believe it's for a dignitary and there were several people who were on the street who believe the former president donald trump is actually staying in this area. as you can tell, just the intense amount of security that they

put up around this area. but listen to secret service and the fbi talked about the plans in place for this event. >> we're confident in the current plan that we have ai. it is based off of a technical assessment is protective intelligence and we are continuously monitoring information related to the event known, specific or articulated threat to the rnc take individual attending as you'd expect after manchester we've seen an uptick in social media chatter, people talking about what happened. and we as the lead for all intelligence matters related to the rnc, the fbi, we evaluate all of that fair now, of course, we're going to walk down the city hall to be a part of that news conference as well. there is a planned protest as well in the first amendment zone, but you can see the heavy dump trucks have been brought in place and those trucks are loaded with heavy material to make sure someone can drive through an area like this one. here's one of the duck trucks right here you have this kind of blocks, the roadway to make sure that

extra reinforcement, not something i want to show our viewers. you can see how much of this area that they've blocked off all throughout the city. if you're driving through here, you're not gonna be able to get to the streets that you'd normally go through. the security here is intense. if we don't have a badge of get to a lot of places we'll continue to cover throughout the day sir. >> thank you for forgiving us. a real vision of the security measures that are in place right now, that fence and those barricades are up. let's haven't seen that in quite some time. thank you so much, ryan young. appreciate it. john. >> all right. this morning, the secret service is facing question about how the gunman was able to get on that roof about 130 yards from where former president trump was standing. president biden is ordering an independent review. house speaker mike johnson says, congress, congress will investigate i think pretty clearly there was a security lapse at, at, at least and we need to find out, for example, why were drones not used in the area. >> i've not gotten a satisfactory answer on that

yet. we have more questions than we have answers, but congress is going to get down to the bottom of this alright, cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller is with me now in john, you've worked on many events like this where you want on the other side in law enforcement here, one of the questions is, why wasn't this guy shooter may be on the radar beforehand? well, as far as he goes as an individual, and they're still digging into his social media and passed. he is not on that list of people who are threatening the former president. he's not online making vitriolic statements that they've uncovered so far are calling for violence he's just not on the radar now. the other thing that's really remarkable here is in terms of planning, advanced planning, how long was this in his mind he's buying a box of 50 rounds of two to three rifle ammunition that afternoon somewhere between 12 and 2:00. he's in the gun store purchasing ammunition. so this

doesn't sound like something that it's something he'd been preparing for for months that would be a challenge to him being on the radar, right. >> but the ammunition that afternoon used it in the early evening in terms of what else was found, the explore auso lives in the car, the transmitter on the body. what questions does that raise for you? >> so those are really interesting questions because they take the other side of that coin, which is in the trunk of the car, they find a basically an ammunition can and they see wires coming out of that to a receiver so what they think they're looking at in the shooter's car parked near the event is a remote control device at the house. they find a similar box in his bedroom, which they consider since they've seen what's in the car and other potential device but you have to ask if it's got to receive ron it. and he had some kind of transmitter on him. i am told by sources what was the purpose of having something that could cause an explosion in the car? and let's take a

look at it. one version is if he wanted to distract all the security personnel from his presence while he was trying to sneak up on a rooftop. he could have cranked off that device caused everybody to focus on that car. another possibility which is really interesting is he was seen at the magnetometers earlier, they had flagged him as acting squirrelly around the magnetometers and they had put that over the air of keep an eye on this guy. was he looking to place a distraction device that would have drawn security too? the noise of multiple explosions coming from some direction that would have taken their focus off of them all of these are not answered. all of these are questions that are on the table about what was the purpose of that device? did it have anything to do with this plot? >> then the question is, he's up here the snipers are right here. donald trump is right here what were the rules of

engagement for the secret service and local law enforcement snipers. and just so people have a sense of the timeline here, the shooter was spotted by a local police officer near magnetometers, you distress discuss that they saw him on the roof, supporters and police spot him on the roof then the shooter points that gun at a local law enforcement officer, hits trump and the shooter is killed by a sniper. they're going to put this map up again here. so again, what could they have done? could they have acted more quickly? >> so you've got the inner perimeter that's the event secret service is in charge of that. you've got the outer perimeter, which is a mix of secrets service, and local law enforcement. and then you have the third perimeter, which is mostly local law enforcement. so when they say we've got a guy on the roof with a rifle, people are alerting them now, you're clock starts at around a minute. an officer starts to go up that ladder to get on that roof and is confronted at gunpoint by the shooter, according into the accounts we've got from the sheriff yesterday and at that point, they're putting that over the air. that word gets that

there's something going on over here within individual on the rooftop to the sniper team. but a rooftop is like this. there's an upside and a downside he starts on the downside of that roof. they don't see him until he pops up and that first shot is fired. now, we've listened to the audio. there's about a second and a half between the first shots and the multiple shots that they fire, taking him out this isn't the only counter sniper team. there's for set-up on the ground. so this is the rules of engagement would normally be we have an individual on a rooftop. he has what looks like a rifle. they would call the detail leader and say do we have a green light the detail leader would make a judgment. this happened way too fast for any of that and their reaction time was split-second alright, there will be a lot of questions about this going forward. >> we still obviously need more information, john, great to have you here. thank you very much. right. former president trump personally called one of the reporters who was steps

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his life within 24 hours of that. salina zito now joins me live. thank you so much for joining us. first of all, i'm really happy to see that you're okay this morning. after that horrific scene, there and seeing you there on the ground gives me chills. i do want to ask you what happened when you spoke to donald trump. did he sound different? did he seem different from times past? >> it's really interesting. he called me yesterday. i was there with my daughter who is a photo journalist. we were to interview president trump after the rally on a flight to bedminster. i had talked to him just a couple of minutes before he went out onto the rally in a holding room behind behind this jake it's so he called me yesterday morning to make more of myself and my daughter were okay initial reaction was i wasn't shot. you were the so he is mood was good he was in he was in a good a good mood.

he projected someone i think very well. he said this very appreciative and very cognizant of what just happened. and the meaning behind it. so that's how i would describe his mood. and then i asked him if i if we could just have a few minutes to talk about the moments after he was shot when he was shot and how that changed him. and so that's how the conversation began what did he say that? >> good out to you there's a wreck that there was a recognition. >> there were several things that he said to me that there was a recognition that there was a divine power that saved him. if you've ever covered a trump rally or if you've ever gone to one it's always facing forward now he may turn this way or turn that way. he never

turns his neck, ever and so he just wonders why in that moment when he's going to look at the he gets a chart to put up also rarely puts a chart up as just usually trump rallies are all about that relationship between himself and the people that are attending. but he puts such as someone puts a chart up, he turns his head to joe point to it. again, something he rarely does if you look at the different speeches that he gives. and in that moment that is when the bullies pull it grazes his ear and end you saw the blood immediately and so, he saw that moment as something pivotal, something powerful that, that not that he was shot but that he had made a decision that he doesn't traditionally make a even isn't really a conscious that he's doing something different so he saw

that moment as a way to rethink and regroup and i also talked about that decision to make thanks sure that he stands up and lets people know he's okay and he talked about not just really being about him being okay, but he thought it was really important to project strength that the country is okay, that he knew. he he said he was a very aware, not most of the people that were there, but also that the whole world was watching. and he wanted to project that the country is going to be ok. we move forward. so that's what he said to me. >> so thank you for describing what donald trump was like right after this the shooting within 24 hours. and also to you and your daughter, i'm terribly sorry that you had to witness this and be there in this terrible moment in

american history. thank you so much. i really appreciate your time. >> thank you so much kate sarah. thank you so much for that joining us right now is david urban, former senior advisor to the trump campaign and cnn political commentator, democratic strategist paul begala, as well. i mean david, we were sitting here listening to those together. i've literally never heard donald trump in that way that salena zito was describing. >> it listed i i've never heard the president that way either. >> sleet and our good friends, we work together for a long time. we've known each other since the late 90s. i spoke with her yesterday about her conversation with the president because she and i we've talked the president we've been together with the president in the past in pennsylvania and at pittsburgh and what selina says, you know, just rings true. you get shot and he misses his the president never puts up. i've done probably 40 rallies with the former president. he never uses graphics, he never says, let's go to the powerpoint. and he had a big slide up about, about

immigration. and so he looked it's to that slide turns his head. and in that moment, the bullet knicks his ear just nixes hear the photojournalists who took that picture from new york times is here yesterday and ballistics experts say that that bullet was the one that nick to zero because it's slowed down enough to be photographed and i think that you can't help if you're if you're donald trump standing there and you see that photo, you see that bullet that could have taken your life if you're head was turned just another an inch or two millimeters exactly. his life would've been over. so i think in that moment you recognize there's some divine providence involved here. and that maybe you get an you get another opportunity to kind of think about what you should be doing, what should be talking about on the stage in this arena moving forward. and the message of uniting the country. and it's a moment now to say, look, maybe, maybe we should kind of dial it back and talk about our better angels and be, be more reagan-esque. and my delivery. here's donald trump also spoke to the new york post, david, i want to read this one of about how

he's now scrapped a speech. and this is how he put it. i had all prepared an extremely tough speech, really good. all about the corrupt, horrible administration. but i threw it away and trump said his new speech about the new speech, i want to try to unite or country, but i don't know if that's possible. people are people are very divided and you look, what you say is absolutely in near-death experience changes people. how do you, how do you avoid being cynical that this is 24 hours and not and not more of a message of unity from the podium, from the stage and from, and from people gathering. well, the proof will be in the pudding, right? well so what we'll see in the next few days, we'll see when the former president gets up here to speaks we'll see what his demeanor is. we'll see how he comes across america. we'll see just like we saw the debate with joe biden and people said that something's up there and that tells me, right, something's up with joe biden. we'll see you if something's up with donald trump, you'll see people has seen his delivery. they've heard him talk before. they i promise to america will be able to tell if he's genuine or not. and i

think he's genuine in this moment. i find it hard to believe you almost get killed. your spared by literally divide providence and it doesn't impact you in some way. yeah it could not have been closer. >> it is so the more you think about it, the crazier it is, and how close. i mean, absolutely. it really was paul. let me ask you to read for you what politico is saying about the campaign and the how this adjust can really, i don't know if it's a reset. or adjust how the trump campaign is going to be approaching. things going forward with the blip political is put it as there. the trump campaign, they're upset about the shooting more than upset, shaken, angry, worried, but they also know the moment that they're in right now, trump has the potential to become a much more for sympathetic figure in the eyes of undecided voters. you've been around politics for a long, long time. paul how hard is it to, how hard is it to do this if that is the goal right now with the group? every, all of the, all

of the party loyals coming to this convention this morning well first, let me say, salina is an old friend of mine too. >> i've been doing this a long time and i'm so heartbroken for what she and her daughter went through an urban i know had a lot of friends here. i've worked a lot in pennsylvania in politics and do it. i know you've had friends who were right there and my heart, my in my little prayers on a person of faith go out to them it's almost impossible to answer your question, kate, that someone this well-defined can be redefined but this country has always open to it. you know, we are a really big minor country. mr. trump has the opportunity now to be both strong and sympathetic that's kinda not the latter half of that is not trump's brand, okay. he's never been brand unity. joe biden is, but he is brand strength. so if he can combine those that would be really formidable. and i do

think even i, as i can't stand him. okay but. i wish him well, and i i would love to see him tried to we define himself because there's so much division in this country and a whole lot of it is fostered by donald trump. if he can change that, that would be a wonderful thing for our country. and frankly for mr. trump politically one thing i thought was really interesting, axios is reporting has new reporting david, that trump has actually ordered aides not to allow the conventions primetime speakers to update their remarks, to dial up the way they wrote it is to dial up the outrage to stop them from dialing up and changing their remarks. >> they that seems that's a we'll step if that is what happens, that is a real step towards maybe what 48 hours ago it seemed the impossible. >> well, listen, we'll get a sense of things today when things kick off later day today tonight everything that's being said from this podium has been vetted and scrubbed by the campaign. and so you'll get a sense of that if it's, if it's really conventions it's all about red meat. meat for the

base. yes. but i think in this moment, in this instance, in time, the people on the podium march speaking just to those here in the arena, there speaking not to just to americans, but to the world that america is strong, that we're resilient country right? that there were a lot more people listening in absolute were optimistic as a nation and as paul said, former president trump is always projected strength standing up there after he gets shot, just pumping his fist saying he's showing that he's okay that's his brand. if he could convert that to the point paul makes to be a unifier, be a little more sympathetic i think will do much, much better in the fall and have much bigger coattail. yeah in a maybe a real step towards the broadening of the base that has been elusive. and it's also just good for america, right? it's good for citizens, it's good for our country to dock about issues to have a debate on issues taking down the temperature. i mean, that should be everyone's brand right now. that's definitely the clear message we heard from donald trump. we've heard from his campaign hey, now, and we've also heard from president biden. thank you for

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gunman was able to get on a rooftop within a line of sight to donald trump and come within centimeters of assassinating him. president biden has ordered for review of security at the rally and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are demanding answers this morning as the fbi leaves the investigation into the attempted assassination, all eyes are on the secret service joining us now, former senior fbi profiler and special agent mary ellen o'toole, and cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent jonathan wackrow. i have to go to you first. this is about the secret service's about scrutiny of the secret service. did they make a huge mistake here? >> secret service needs to be held accountable for the actions on that day that were responsible for the security plan for that event? when you. take it at a high level, a man with a gun at an elevated position shot the former president of the united states at a political rally. that's not what the secret service is known for. their, known for mitigating those threats coming

close to guaranteeing that they never happen. it's the fact that this happened is catastrophic for the agency. this is a major lapse in security. some are calling it a catastrophic failure at probably lean more towards that right now based upon the information that we have that location was so close, that's a little more than a football field away, right? that's sort of 100 and yards or so. i mean, that's a par-3 golf course right? like that's we're getting into that close range and everyone's like, well as outside of the secure site that was within the threat envelope, right? the basic tenant of a secret service agent doing an advance is mitigating line of sight it doesn't matter if you are a brand new agent, you learn that in the academy or have been in the agency for 25 years. this is what we do as protection agents. we mitigate that at that risk. the fact that it wasn't needs to be answered and it needs to be

answered quickly because what they have to assess was is this an isolated incident? was this just a mistake on that day or do we have a systemic problem within the agency in our model? now to think about like i've talked to you about the protective methodology, the pro act actively advance is the secret service missing something they have to get to that answer quickly because we're in the middle of the political season, we have a lot of rallies, outdoor rallies. this is political season. we have to answer that quickly. >> yeah, i think that's a really good point. i think everyone that was looking at them, there were people, witnesses saying, hey, there's a >> service on top of these buildings, generally speaking, will they they already knew it was an area of vulnerability that direction broadly, whether it was the building or the area around the building by the fact

that they had a counter sniper team there. so the vulnerability was identified, it was just on of the event day, what broke down that that vulnerability was not mitty gated. at at the at the point that then relied upon that cs team to neutralize the threat. >> it's all good points. all right. i'm gonna go to you, mary the shooter is 20-years-old. it's been difficult trying to get information on him. not a lot of social media footprint. what do you glean from? the fact that he was a registered republican, but he had made this small donation. i think around $15 to a democratic aligned pack how do you look at this person and sort of give us a profile when you have very little, although they have found his parents as well in the gun, i think easy when you have someone that doesn't want you to readily find about who they are. >> so it's going to take a little bit more digging in with this young man. he he's really

an expert with computers and so there's every reality that he has secreted in his, his information, his his ideation in a way that's going to make it very challenging, but that's the role of an fbi agent profile or is you dig very deep because there are issues that cause him to engage in this behavior and those issues include the motivations and that becomes imperative to understand those motivations are going to be in the trail he loved in the days, weeks, and months right before this event i don't think they've gotten into his phone yet. >> that will tell us a lot. i'm assuming mary ellen the phone will say a great deal. the interviews with people will also be extremely valuable. and then they have to kind of cobble it all together and what i mean by that is the people that knew this young man. they're going to say, i didn't see anything. i didn't

i didn't record this behavior, but the agents know what to look for so that they can cobble together the information in the phone contacts that he may have made with people. 3,000 miles away that did he didn't even know people he had contact with and the retirement home where he worked. there very well trained to put that all together. to have a puzzle that now begins to show what it was that exactly caused him to decide to do this. how much planning and how much effort he put into it and what the motivation is. the motivation though, i will tell you will never satisfy your listeners. it just will never satisfy people that say are you kidding me? he did that to be famous. he did that to live in infamy. so i'm just preparing the viewers. you will not be satisfied when you hear what the motivation is. >> yeah, that's a really good point. and certainly no one is going to be satisfied with that. one person is dead. the president has been hit with a bullet. it is unconscionable what happened there? mary ellen

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milwaukee. donald trump arrived in wisconsin just 24 hours after surviving an assassination attempts. and while the unprecedented moment in american history this weekend is sure to impact the tone this week and beyond. how is that tragedy going to change the program that we were about to say, see play out let's find out joined right now by the chairman of the republican party of wisconsin, brian schimming. brian, thank you for being here. welcome to wisconsin. thank you very much. if it's been a very wonderful welcome so far. this stage she is quite a bit different looking today, then what would we would have been talking about 48 hours ago, of course has the program changed at all? >> it hasn't. of course, for all praying for the folks in pennsylvania. i mean, just an unspeakable tragedy just can't get over and it's still unfold holding right? but as we head into this convention i will say two things to you. number one, the program has not changed. it

hasn't changed a line that i have seen. i'm on the committee on arrangements for the convention being the home state chair and everything is set to go as planned and i get asked a lot about this. purity as well because of the events unfortunate events, and pennsylvania maki, wisconsin right now is probably the most secure place on the face of the planet. because we have thousands of law enforcement personnel from what i saw, somebody from cincinnati a while ago on the way over from clear across the country so this area is secure and the convention is going to go off as planned. but as with the whole nation, pennsylvania's on our mind. yeah. i mean, donald trump said in this new interview, coming in overnight that his whole speech for thursday has changed he toward up he's now now focusing on calling for national unity what role can the wisconsin republican party play in that? so it goes beyond one speech on a stage yeah, really, wisconsin

as you know, okay. >> it is one of the closest states in the country politically, we've had 12 races in the state of 6 million people in the last 24 years, we've had 12 braces within 30,000 votes. well, statewide. so politically, wisconsin is an important place, but i think in welcoming here in the birthplace of the republican party in wisconsin, walking out with a sense of unity and not just politically, but for the whole country, i think is very, very important. it's an important message i think it's challenging. do you think it will be a challenge as everyone gathers here? >> i don't think it will be a challenge in the risk in a political risk. because this conventions unified and i think that's a difference between the parties, right now. we're unified and the democrats are a party in disarray cnn reported last week that in terms of when you're talking about what we're going to see playing out here, brian, zina reported last week, there are seven battleground states. >> one of them, including wisconsin, that some of the

delegates that are coming are fake electors who, or fake electors are others who had worked to upend the 2020 20 election results to represent state parties when they're here, when i was looking at it, it's one fake elector as a delegate and won as an alternate for the wisconsin i'm going to call it the delegation are you okay with that? what does that say? >> what it says is there are a lot of good republicans that were involved in these electors situations in some of the states who didn't believe they were doing anything illegal at all. so, so really we have good, good republican says to other states that are in their delegations that didn't feel as though they were doing anything wrong and then some states that was the legal feeling on a two so that's not an issue for us at all. the bigger issue for us is coming out of here unified for donald trump in a state in the polling where i mean, right now, those states you mentioned, donald trump is ahead in every single one of them. >> i mean, when you cannot