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night sleep i'm stephanie elam in los angeles and this is cnn this. is cnn special live coverage, republican national convention in milwaukee, donald trump in the building expected to enter the hall at any moment, i want to go to full mattingly. who's standing by? bill, what are you can you tell us well, all eyes have been on the stage for much of an eye right now. >> they're turning to the back of the room and the vip section where we have started to see trump family members start to walk in, including john junior, his girlfriend, kimberly guilfoyle. they have joined jd vance, who has already standing there with the speaker, mike johnson, mike johnson's wife, kelly, byron donalds, and other house member as well, tiffany trump has also walked in. eu cb

family, friends, close advisers, including dance we know from the trump team and they know haba trump's lawyer is also here as well. there's eric trump sitting with his wife, bore trump, who's now heading these republican that's your committee should also note tucker carlson walked into the vip section just a short while ago, really kind of setting the stage for what we expect in short order would be the former president himself walking in really the first time other than taking coming off of the airplane, we have seen since the assassination attempt. and you can hear the crowd. now, everybody paying very close such an anderson to this vip section and vouch see the former president on the jumbotron as the anticipation is starting to mount, there was no explicit guarantee he was going to be here tonight and see the bandage on his ear we're waiting for him to walk out for a major entrance on the day that he named his potential vice presidential nominee, jd vance. the unification of the republican party, not even in question before this, certainly

the case. now jake all right. phil mattingly. thanks so much. we're we're seeing that the vip section of president trump's box fill up and we just saw clip of of president trump. obviously, there behind the scenes ready to come out that president trump was van on his right ear, which was obviously because obviously wounded in the assassination of crowd cheering with the bandage on his ear. from that horrible event in butler, pennsylvania but the crowd really excited people are standing up. everybody's phone is out to film it though i'm sure there will be video they can get at home but the fact to go to the vip section, we saw tucker carlson, jd vance, who is now the vice presidential nominee congressman byron donalds, members of the family, junior,

tiffany trump others. i think i see more trump. kristi noem, eric trump people getting ready for this now this is not the big night for trump. the big night for trump will be thursday when he accepts the nomination but this obviously a big moment for him as he comes before the crowd crowd that it was already excited to see him. but certainly he is taking on more love and excitement because of what happened. >> here, everybody proud as warring president of the united states they're station based on faith, rare work because he

was sure that's donald trump turn his head slightly, that the bullet missed him just enough to save his life took be the next president but the united states we have full need for so long the god who make some changes isn't this country? and he's about to make a change in the current administration and send them home you everybody for being here tonight? tonight, we made the decision on what's right for america. more prosperity less gaffes it's prices, less food prices help for our veterans and god bless our military wherever they are in these united states and abroad there would be no one can president trump was welcome, the next president of the

united states, donald j. trump wow hello just not sure lucky star three they can america

right? >> first. today because i love saying it god, bless and. that we elect donald j. trump as the next president of the united states he is here tonight to show oh, he's buried. he is somebody who tried to kill him. you will not take this man down. he has the courage to a string and he will be the next president of the united states

from minnesota to the tennessee cross the plains texas row seat to ladies and gentlemen, the 45th president of the united states, and soon to be the 47th president. w united states. please welcome donald j. trump they're wearing that and i when defend going fairly got

you're springs, michigan and obviously emotional donald trump grading a crowd in there chasing fight, fight which is what he said right after the attempted assassination attempt. >> and you can see the emotion on his face. it looked like possibly even tears on his face. this crowd joyfully welcoming him back after the horrible events over the weekend viva trump. they're

saying oh we love trump, i'm sorry. i was having flashback to the 90s. the 2000 convention we love trump for saying we love chris winston churchill famously said nothing in life is so exhilarating has to be shot. act without effect and you can see that today the idea that just hours ago few days ago, this man, an assassin's bullet whizzed by him, hit him in the ear inches from his temple that he'd be just by the slightest fraction of an inch he survived shot up without effect and you can see the the joy of this crowd. i got to tell you as somebody who's been covering these, these conventions since 1964, that may have been the most electric moment i ever saw. well, that was quite extraordinary. you what do you like? the men are not that was

well, i mean, this is a crowd pleaser, tens of thousands of people who love donald the trump and they almost lost him this, this figure that, that figures so prominently in their lives. and it's so interesting tonight, there has been zero talk about the democrats and rhetoric and political rhetoric and then blaming the media and it's all been talk about divine providence a miracle and i think that's what most of these people view is that it is by the grace of god that donald trump is here tonight and representing them going forward i mean, go ahead, abby, always been with trump almost messianic quality to his following we typically see that at his campaign rallies have been too many of them they feel a little bit like this. >> it's not as common to see these sort of party official events have that same kind of feel and it's just reflective of how far trump has come in

his command of his own party. and even between saturday and today this room feels different because of what happened saturday as we've been saying you cannot underestimate the, on the enthusiasm scale where there are trump's really extreme supporters. but i'm hearing from people who are kind of, we're kind of mediocre about trump going into this. who feel a sense of relief and a sense of appreciation for him that is reflected in the room. i mean, there are probably a lot of people in this room who maybe they wanted somebody else. but overwhelmingly, i think he has brought people over into a place where it used to be only his most fervent supporters were. and that is the big chain that is going to matter and the other thing too, and jake, you've touched on this when you talked about his reaction, he sitting in this family box next to we should note tucker carlson, mike johnson, jd vance

he seems like a different man than the person that we often see at the podium at rallies. i mean, he is so do i mean seeing that fans on his ear it's very striking. >> i did not the one place where i would depart from you first says, he does not look exhilarated to me. he looks very, very subdued. the other way you might the react to having almost lost your life, but it is. i don't blame winston churchill. yes well, he wasn't around for this one, but i just, you know, it'll be interesting to see. he said he's rewriting his speech for thursday. may be interested to see what he's grateful to be alive. he called celine, i talked to selina couple times. he called her so late border from western pennsylvania, called her several times to check in on her let's see how she was doing. he was so taken aback by the incident and was talking to her about it and she's she eventually said, hey, can we write this down? he but

he reached out to her and said, listen, i want to make sure you cast your family about your daughter for valley about what happened i mean, you cannot get shot in the head and not be affected this weekend and they're the smile on his face. this sort of response. it's i mean, it's remarkable to take it in. sorry, dana go that's okay. we're right above this vip box, so we've actually witnessed with their own eyes the former president come in and i think you're all right. there was an exhilaration in the room while he was subdued and it was i think that's part of what made that moment so striking. and chris, i don't go back as far as you go. i would say about 24 years of covering conventions. and we haven't i haven't covered it. nope. none of us has covered a convention obviously with this kind of almost tragedy. and that was a tragedy. somebody lost their life on saturday but with this kind of frankly hero's welcome, which donald trump

gets in any case, when he walked into a room of supporters particularly a convention, but in the light of what happened on saturday, it's almost hard to describe well, he's been through a trauma it felt in this room for a traumatic event, he almost lost his life. somebody was killed and innocent man in the audience who's only crime prime was going to a trump rally. obviously he should have had the right to enjoy that. two other individuals, whether individuals from pennsylvania, critical condition or horrible, horrible and he's been through a traumatic event and that's going to have an effect on people on an emotional level, how much that actually changes him. obviously, people could change from near the experiences how much that actually changes him as a politician or as a presidential candidate. we will see what obviously it has had an interim jake dana's point, they feel that donald trump took a bullet for them, right? that these are campaigning. he took a bullet for them was in the state, were

standing in the way and got hit it took a bullet for them. you could feel that in this role, there's this. >> let's go, i'm sorry to interrupt up. let's go to kaitlan collins, who's on the floor with the governor of north dakota, doug burgum. >> yeah. jake, i've got governor doug burgum here with me. we're sitting right off the floor, obviously watching this entrance, watching those in the box with former president donald trump. thank you, governor, for being hear what, what is it like for you to see former president trump walk in with that large white bandage on his ear, just obviously, so markedly different from since saturday night well, i think like a lot of americans tonight, we're sitting here just in of a man that's got the strength and the perseverance and courage. >> i mean, he's literally the picture of that with him coming off the stage and pennsylvania with his fist in the air. that's going to be in kid's school books 100 years from now is a defining moment in history. but i think all of us also phil, just a tremendous amount of gratitude because as was said on this show, i mean divine providence. i mean, we're a millimeter away from right now having a country three and a party being in

chaos and in mourning for something that would mark an era just the way the jfk assassination didn't 1960 so we missed that by a millimeter. and now history is on a different path, but i think president trump, not only he's uniting this party, but i think he actually the language he's used in saturday is talking about needing uniting the country, rewriting the speech for thursday night about uniting the country. i know people haven't seen him that way. but when people go through a near-death experience, i think that these things can change. people think it's changed him well, i think you saw him tonight walking in and listening to lee greenwood sing a song that he stood on the stage many, many times. but i think he's he certainly has to have an understanding and gratitude that he's alive. he said that to all the people brown and he's lucky to be alive yeah, any sitting in that box when something like saturday happens, it makes you realize how consequential a vice presidential pick, not that it always isn't how it is sitting next to ohio senator jd vance. >> obviously, you were also one of the finalists to be picked

for vice president. how did you get the news today that you were not going to be the pick? >> well, i got a call great conversation with the president and he's he said, hey, mr. secretary, he's always been so positive and so consider it to catherine and i this whole time. but as you know, kaitlan, we were never running for a cabinet position, never running to be vp as a sitting governor. and i got to 152 days left of the greatest job nation being a governor of north dakota right now that was our focus because another four years of joe biden for a state that produces natural resources and agriculture the inflation that's affecting every one of our citizens. affecting everybody in america. the open borders affecting everyone in america. so donald trump's policies actually do lift up, not just independents or republicans, but democrats perhaps as well at i think this week is gonna be a chance for people across the country to hear that. >> he called you, mr. secretary. i mean, it sounds like you're teasing that he would want you in his cabinet you told me previously that you were not open to taking a cabinet position. is that still the case? well there's going to

be no cabinet positions that president trump could go unless he wins. >> and this is going to be tight race for sure. this fall, i mean, people may feel like it's a runaway today, but these things always tighten up. and i would just say there's going to be a lot of work to do between now and then. and that's going to be the focus anytime that i'm spending now is governing job in north dakota and may making sure that president trump ends up back in the white house. it's so you're saying don't take it for granted. >> it's not clear what's going to happen in this election. what do you think donald trump needs to do out on the campaign trail if you were his running mate, what would your advice be over? because you and senator vance had very different reactions to what happened on saturday, you were more in the camp of talking about unity and taking the temperature down. one does senator vance's initial post within hours of the shooting was was blaming president biden and his rhetoric even though there's no motive determined by the fbi yet, which tact you think donald trump should follow? >> well, i think president trump himself has been talking about unity it's been peace, unity make america great again,

he's out of those words even what he's putting out on his post right now. and i think that's the right message for us going forward. and i think with jd vance, i mean, he's small town guy like me what's not to love about someone who grew up in a small town in this election is going to be determined by that blue wall up north and with him having ohio wisconsin, pennsylvanians, backyard i think he's a solid brick for for the trump fans ticket to have a sweeping, a sweep this fall? >> yeah, a lot of rivalries between pennsylvania and ohio, both we'll see what the governor burgum. thank you for joining us. i know it's been a very chaotic and busy day for you, so thank you for your time. thank you. anderson, obviously, hearing from governor burgum for the first time since learning the vice presidential pick earlier today. >> kaitlan, thanks very much extraordinary to see the former president. really the first time since, since we last saw him on that stage. yeah. he looked emotional to me. he looked humble he had an

interesting sort of look on his face, like he was soaking in all the united republicans there can't really imagine what it's like to be in his position. i read today, he said, i'm not supposed to be you're supposed to be dead? and so from that point for when you sort of internalize that, every day is a gift. and he ai to me his facial expression, his body language showed donalds a different kind of donald trump than we're used to saying he's listening to me au roseman right now, let's listen and that's when it hits me. >> these are my people. this is where i belong i let go of my fear judgment of being missed

understood. of getting attacked by the left and i put the red hat on to love you. so i never. felt more free and more love for my country than i do now i want to thank my father, who's in the audience tonight for opening my eyes. he served over 20 years in the u.s. military. thank you for your service. i love you, dad. i love you i love you so much. thank you. you when i met the president and melania for the first time he was kind and generous and funny as hell very funny the first lady was gracious and smart with a smile that will brighten up any room. if you're watching this tonight, you know, our country is in trouble just like me. when you go to the store, buy food for your

family are shocked when you fill up your gas tank, you're i know i am and when you turn on the news, you are just exhausted. inflation is out of control and, you know, in your heart, it was not like this under donald trump my message shoot tonight comes from a humble place the left told me to hate trump and even worse, to hate the other side, the people who support him when you cut through the lies. realize the truth. american families were better when donald trump was president we were safer,

wealthier and stronger a vote for donald trump is a boat to put money back in our pockets and good food on our kids plates yes or as trump would say, it's a votes and make america great again thank you so much please welcome latino american. >> lynda phone knows so listening to the speakers. >> this is going to go on probably until about 11:00. i mean, it's fashion to have her as the speaker there. i think just some 20 odd million 23 million instagram followers. so i just have to say this stage craft, the sequencing of this, this moment tonight, this is what donald trump does past. he's the producer and chief. the him walking out, lee greenwood playing. and then

first you're hearing from un every they american talking. but then a social media influencer with 23 million followers who young people are looking at and young voters are up for grabs. this election, throw in there also, donald trump is now a meme everywhere. you know, best not miss if you're going to shoot the king like this is what is on tiktok. this is what tens of millions of young voters who are not necessary so i really decided they don't have long-standing party affiliation are seeing he's making a play there it's very smart and to be honest, she was one of most effective communicators. we've sent tonight. i admit something. i had no idea who this was rachel, i looked it up and then i call a friend of mine and i said, do you know who this is? and they didn't know. also a political person but that's the point they have put someone on the stage who reaches into this whole group of americans who are not necessarily engaged at all in our politics are in our civics these kinds of voices. i heard some grousing about this

from some of the conservative this is, this is how you change the composition of the electorate. >> yeah, i that was probably the most dangerous speak for the democratic coalition a young woman of color. she's describing the experience. a lot of people have feeling that it may be for around jimmy liberals who might get criticized too much, or you might not be able to speak her mind and she spoke to it really well. and she's way more famous than any of us up here. i'm going to tell you that way more thing and so to the extent that these guys are trying to bust up our coalition, that was a bunker buster right there. by the way, just one of the things we've been talking about. but there are speakers who speak to the room and their speakers who speak through the television screen. she speaks through the camera to the audience at home, not i mean, she's effective in the room. this so when you're yelling into the room, that is not communicating directly that this person is super talented. okay. like this person knows how to speak plainly and directly, knows how to use the camera the cadence of it she

they've got something there yeah. >> it really is hard in those big arenas. it's hard not to want to fill up the room if you want to scream is make sure the grandma and the back-end hear you. but you're not talking to the 30,000 people there. you're talking to that 30 million people at home. and she was i mean, she was the most effective. you can be heard in the hall that you're in, somebody's living room. she understood that and i wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't have political future. i can tell that she's somebody who makes a living. >> yes. indicating with people, it's great. right? she understood how to connect with the camera. that's that's what she does. it's part of why she has 23 million instagram. i think that i'm trying go ahead. add to that is not only you speaking to the people watching, but per years, some of your you know, well well-taken, criticisms of some of the earlier african-american speakers they're going to cut these things up into little youtube videos of 1030 tiktok videos, all that kind of stuff and it'll take highlights and they, if they have a good

digital operation, there'll be seen, but it's gonna be seen by a lot more people speaking of stagecraft that you were mentioning watching trump come down that hallway the way they set it up against lee greenwood, who by the way, also, 81-years-old it looks pretty good. and did a great job. but the way they choreograph that thing, the way they brought trump out he could not have done it any better. it was really, really well done. and then i to me, i also just seeing the bandage i mean, i was wondering how they were going to do and it's pretty pretty it's terrific terrific. and stagecraft, no question about it. and obviously this is a moment given what happened over the weekend, we're just seeing him on camera is impactful and meaningful and i think as someone i can't remember who was saying earlier, you know, anybody even if you're not if you're not somebody who supports them, you can still see him in this moment and feel grateful that he was not killed on saturday. so it's a powerful moment, i think the question is, you know, what, what version of him do we see over the course of this week? i mean, we so we've seen speakers tonight and ranged from carlee, marjorie taylor greene, to people who

are more kind of in the more traditional republican mold. and so you know, he has a lot of goodwill tonight and i think the question is, what version of him do we see later this week? >> once they want as it as a dad seemed don juniors face president of the engineer's is his he's a firecracker. he's usually pretty tough guy in that i think wants to be like his dad. but that emotion in his face i thought was powerful. i think it's okay for everybody just to absorb it we're going to listen to start to sean o'brien, president of the international brotherhood of teamsters greetings, delegates, and gas obs. >> sean o'brien, general presence of the international brotherhood of teamsters i'd like to give my peeps from the greatest state in the nation massachusetts, some props. what

first, i want to thank the hardworking teamsters union members here in milwaukee, who play vital roles in the building and operations of this convention. i, also want to thank president donald trump for opening the rnc's doors. so the teamsters union in invited me to speak before you tonight i travel all across this country and meet with my members every week you know what i see an american worker being taken for granted workers being sold out to big banks, big tech cooperation. the lee and i'm not the only one who sees this every day. family see it. the american people aren't

stupid. they know the system is broken. we all know how washington is run working people have no chance of winning this fight that's why i'm here today. because i refused to keep doing the same things my predecessors did. today today. the teamsters fair to say? we are not beholden to anyone or any party we will create an agenda and work with a bipartisan coalition. ready to accomplish something real for the american worker? and i know care about getting criticized. it's an honor to be the first teamster and 121

year history to address the republican national convention several months ago the rnc in the dnc well, the opportunity to speak to be frank when president trump invited me to speak at this convention, there was political unrest on the left and on the right hard to believe anti union groups demanded the president rescind his invitation? the left called me a traitor and this is precisely why it's so

important for me to be here today. think about this think about this the teamsters of doing something correct? if the extremes in both parties, they guy shouldn't be on this stage president trump had the backbone to open the doors to this republican convention. and that's unprecedented no other nominee in the race. what have invited the teamsters into this arena now, you can have whatever opinion you want. but one thing is clear president trump is a candidate who was not afraid of hearing from new loud and often critical voices. and i think we all can agree

whether people like them or they don't like him in light of what happened to him on saturday. he has proven to be one tough sob ow, we're not one? the presidency of the tbs is an a national election two-and-a-half years ago, we started reaching across the aisle in the past, but teachers have endorsed gop candidates including nixon, reagan, and george h w bush but over the

last 40 years, the republican party has really pursued strong relationships with organized labor. there are some in the party who stand an active opposition to labor unions. this two months, change and i want to be clear at the end of the day, the teamsters are not interested. if you have a d or an ai next to your name we want to know one thing. what are you doing to help american workers as a negotiator i know that no window or door should ever be permanently shut in my administration the team says reached out to eight republican senators who stood up for railroad teamsters over our fight for paid sick leave. josh

hawley was one of them we started talking senator hawley change his position on national right to work then we started walking senator hawley walked up teamsters, picket line in st. louis and a uaw picket line in wentzville, missouri. more than that, i want to recognize senator hawley for his direct relentless and pointed questioning of corporate talking heads lawyers ceos, and apologist he has shown he is not willing to accept their pillaging of work in people's pocketbooks i know from a career in negotiating that you get nowhere by slamming your fist on the table the first step is to listen the teamsters

in the gop may not agree on many issues, but a growing group as shown, the courage to sit down and consider points of view that are funded by big money think tanks senators like jd vance roger marshall and representatives. nicole malliotakis, mike lawler, and brian fitzpatrick are among elected officials who truly care about working people in this group is expanding and his putting fear into those who have monopolized are very broken system in america today there are far too many people on both sides of the aisle still caught up in knee jerk reactions to unions who subscribe to the same tired clap trap that unions destroy american companies take a moment to consider united parcel service, which is the largest private sector

logistics company, and it's been unionized for more than 100 years. more than 350,000 teamsters make it run we work for good middle-class wages quality health care, and secure pensions. there are work rules and ensure fairness and due process for both sides. ups is the most efficient package delivery company in the world well let's not forget that ups doesn't provide these great wages and benefits out of the kindness of attire ups does because the teamsters fight for it all 300 350,000 of us you know, corporate has hate when working people joined together to form unions my first century major employers have waged a

war against labour by forming corporate unions of their own we need to call the chamber of commerce in the business roundtables what they are, they are unions for big business. and here's another fact again, just gigantic multinational corporation, an individual worker has xero power. it's only when americans band together and democratic unions that we win real improvements on wages benefits, and working conditions companies like amazon are bigger than most national economies amazon is valued over 2 trillion. that makes it the 14th largest economy in the world what is sickening is an amazon had his bid has abandoned any national allegiance amazon sole focus is on lining its own pockets. remember elites have no party. elites have no nation their

loyalty is sort of balance sheet. and then the stock price at the expense of the american worker in my office in washington, dc i can see the united states capitol from my window i see well intentioned people arrive in washington and get eaten up by an unforgiving system the responsibility to average americans takes a backseat the objective now become survival fundraiser. after fundraiser corporate consultants, hedge every initiative the hill crawls with lifers bouncing from government jobs to corporate jobs, and back again, i think we can all agree dc is a pretty treacherous area most legislation is never meant to going anywhere and it's all talk and in america, talk

isn't cheap. it's very expensive and it comes at the cost of our own country working people know our system is broken the elites are not laboring on behalf of workers there is a political caste system that prevents citizens from accessing their representatives to hold them accountable for a moment in time. working people in america, we're seeing as essential sadly, it took a global pandemic for political and corporate elites to notice this fact but ask yourself this question. since the end of the pandemic when was the last time you heard major news outlets regularly to refer to work as as essential you haven't the men and women who provide goods and services deliver packages stock, grocery shelves, care

for patients. pick up your trash, and keep our communities safe. a. taken for granted all the while, the stock market booms, housing prices hit record highs, and corporate salaries skyrocket. but the income of everyday americans are shrinking in the face of inflation. at the gas pumps, at the grocery store, what the electric bill and what the car insurance this has got to change never forget american workers own this nation we are not renters we are not tenant but the corporate elite treat us like squatters. and that is a crime. we've got to fix it now this will shock you this

will shock you to paraphrase senator markwayne mullin it's time for both sides of congress to stand there bots up we need trade policies that put american workers first it needs to be easier for companies to remain in america we need legal protections that make it safer for workers to get a contract we must stop corporations from a banning local communities to inflate their bottom line we need meaningful bankruptcy reform today corporate vultures buy up companies like yellow freight with the intent of driving them into bankruptcy and feasting on their remains. the courts leave work is begging for crumbs as 3rd tear

creditors labor law must be reformed americans vote for a union, but can never get a union contract companies, fire workers who tried to join unions and hide behind two plus laws that are meant to protect working people but i'm manipulated to benefit cooperations this is economic terrorism at its passed. an individual cannot withstand such an assault. a fired worker cannot afford corporate delays in these greedy employers know it. there are no consequences for the company. only the worker. we need corporate welfare reform under our current system massive companies like amazon and uber, lyft and walmart take zero responsibilities for their work as they employ. these companies offer no real health insurance. know retirement benefits now pay leave, relying on underfunded public assistance. and who foots the bill the

individual taxpayer. the biggest recipients of welfare in this country, a corporations. and this is real corruption. we must put workers first what could be more important to their security of our nation than a long-term investment in the american worker in 2021. team says nationwide, elected me to fight for them. and that's precisely what i'm doing. something is wrong in this country and we need to say it out loud i will speak for america and the american worker, both union and non-union i can each and every one of you. and especially my friends on the democratic side, to embrace cooperation. chuck truly collaborate, to achieve

meaningful in productive change, to ensure we make this great nation the war in this world, that bigger faster, and strongest nation in the entire world? oh, i love this country. the teamsters loved this country. au, one 1.3 million members move america on the roads in the ports, on the rail and in the air and at the end of the day, if the powers to be stopped me from raising my voice on behalf of american workers. i will not have one single race greg. i still carry my commercial driver's license. i still have my place on the union seniority lists. you'll find me back in boston driving a tractor trailer, delivering equipment from shaughnessy in her hern because i have the protection of a union contract that gives me the freedom to

speak my mind and tough fight like hell. god bless the greatest station. thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. >> please welcome back. rnc. chairman michael walkway. that was interesting. i got text in the middle of that from a republican congressman saying that he had to check to make sure he was at the republican convention at the democratic convention, that was sean o'brien, president and to the international brotherhood of teamsters making an appeal to the delegates to embrace a more worker friendly agenda. one has to observe that president trump proposed an increase in the minimum wage, put a bunch of corporate lawyers on the national labor relations board and on and on and on. you can

google it very interesting. 11 little thing to clear up, just if anybody didn't get the reference quoted senator markwayne mullin of oklahoma said, and he said it was interesting that he would quote him because he and markwayne mullin, senator mullin last november almost gotten to this fight during a senate health and labor pension committee hearing we don't have to go into the reasons behind it, but let's just say that sean o'brien does not considered in ramallah to be pro labor in any case, this was a very interesting speech. i'm not really sure how much it belongs in when it comes to the actual policies republican party, donald trump is desperate to get the endorsement from the teamsters the fact that sean o'brien showed up here. i mean, this was peppered throughout his entire speech. was very controversial because it has been decades since the teamsters do anything other than support democrats he got a

lot of pushback among his many of his members when he went to meet with donald trump in mar-a a-lago but he clearly wanted to be here at this convention to push his agenda and also give a warning to joe biden in the democrats is that's that his, that his endorsement and the support of his won over 1,000,001.3000001 million members can not be and should not be taken for granted when he gave a rip roaring populist speech, i mean vigorous assault on corporate america, a very strong pro union speech all delivered in an idiom that john king particularly appreciates yes, it was all in but i noticed that there weren't a whole lot of people standing i'm not sure how this landed.

i think people were confused like the guy who checks a whole out about that. >> now it's not good for the whole speech. what i mean, this is okay earlier today, there was a lot hong conversation about joe biden, but this is the case for joe biden. proved on hillary places performance with union households by about five percentage in a very close election jin, that is incredibly significant. joe biden biden was chosen by brock obama in part because he could speak to these types of people. he performed better than hillary clinton because he he could speak to working class white americans, to union households, union workers. he walked a picket line earlier this year. this trying to make a case for joe biden. it's on this particular issue. and i think this is still why biden's advisers are saying the fundamentals of joe biden's appeal to the weakest part of the democratic coalition, which is white working class men our still

intact. we'll see if that's true, but that is there. if that were true, if that were true, i don't know that the president of the international brotherhood of teamsters will be speaking to republican national convention. >> well, that's what, that's exactly what the showcases is. joe biden's problem, because teamsters endorsed president biden in 2020 on the idea that he is a teamsters leader, has never spoken at a publicly in convention into so to see sean o'brien, at least 121 years. okay. thank you for that count. so i think that just speaks to the me. just interrupt for one second. i want to go to phil mattingly on the floor and then we'll come back and keep talking phil, you know, jake as you guys can walk through the dynamics of the speech and what we actually heard watching the former president, watching the people in the vip box who did not sit down the entire speech, who when sean o'brien said he'd been the first teamsters president to speak to republican convention. and 121 years, it was byron donalds who has been sitting next to the former president who slept trump's arm and said, that's huge, that's huge. it was carlson sitting to the right of byron donalds who was pumping

his fist the entire time. and you contrast that with where the rest of the party is particularly on this issue, but also at the same party that's holding fundraisers with corporations and large donors over the course of this entire week, i think we all know that's such a central part of this process. that was a speech that was for sean o'brien moment to take advantage of. it was a speech for the former president who sees a clear ability to peel off the union vote in a significant way on the rank and file side of things and it was also, i think a window into a realignment on the policy of the republican party policy that jd vance, while not fully kind of in the josh hawley model of things, who sean o'brien shouted out to is certainly more towards that populist level than say, speaker mike johnson, who was also sitting in that box, who very much represents a wall street journal editorial board kind of traditional establishment, republican economic ideology. just the entire contrast listening to the speech, watching sean

o'brien definitely getting the dorchester reverse medford, john king verse. sean o'brien, accents going there. but also watching the people in the vip box and who they they represent for the party now and for the party in the future was absolutely fascinated jake, one of the things that's so interesting about it, john king is that there is this straight queen of populism in the republican party. it is by no means predominant. but it is the jd vance, marco rubio, josh hawley strain that does think that the republican party needs to change and adapt to the american worker those policies have not word not embraced during the trump administration, at least not if you look at what the teamsters have on their policy agenda or the afl-cio, it's cetera, but there is this internal fight going on sean o'brien, i'm sure you know, sagely understands that that is going on and there is a there are people who are listening that doesn't mean

that the agenda is going to be adopted, but it is worth noting. >> mr. mattingly needs to be corrected that we tend to skip the diwali, say medford and both me just say that's how it goes. >> look, there's >> endorsed joe biden, and yet on the factory floor, they say they expect around 40%, maybe even higher to vote for donald trump. because these are voters. so yes, of course, care about labor issues and organizing and collective bargaining and pay. they also care about guns. they also care about other. so this has been a divide brewing for some time that trump does make it so what you see here, there is a huge fight within the teeth about him being this deputy was on erin burnett not that long ago, essentially saying we should be endorsing joe biden on policy. there are african american groups within the teamsters and say, how dare you come here,

given donald trump's record and other issues, but he has decided to stick his neck out. and what it is it's it's agreed in life, the teamsters may not endorse that would be a big deal if they do not endorse, there's a big debate over whether to do it he clearly wanted to come here and speak. and you saw trump and jd vance like saying, yes afterwards because it's a green light to those union members who might think on the labor policies. of course, we should be required to. he is the most pro union president and anybody that's tables lifetime, that's a fact on policy union policy, labor policy. but on other issues, it's a green light to safeco trumps. >> yeah, that's look, john, as you were just saying that that 40%, the truck got about 40% of labour households. and both twice and in 2020. so he's there, right? like he has some of that rank and file support. the question is, does it go is it enough in the right places for it to matter the most? and the key thing i think with union households and union support is not every union is

the same. and in a lot of the unions but they are a diversity of people and that racial divide is part of what is playing out in terms of who supports biden, who supports trump, and where the peeling off is happening in this country. so as we hear the dulcimer tones of journey, of playing in the background. >> kaitlan collins we heard the gavel come down and that is officially the end of the day. in terms of business here although donald trump skill soaking up the crowd, enjoying the celebration and the love of him. there was another chance that we love from and it's been quite a day. >> well, two things just on how saturday night he's changed this. i spoke to eric trump earlier and he said that when he was on the phone with his dad, when he was still in the hospital, he was talking about the republican convention and what this is going so it looks like. and so obviously that has shifted this the other thing just from being on the floor all day. i'll tell you. obviously, they chant donald trump, they chant usa, the new

things that they are chanting is exactly what you heard him. donald trump, when he, after he nearly missed that that shot on saturday night to fight, fight, fight that has become a new motto. we're hearing delegates and. surrogates and allies on the floor at this anderson watching the former president solely make his way out of the convention hall as this first night or wraps up jonah goldberg, you have been watching this. >> i don't know how many hours today and you're about 12 hours, almost. i think something like that. yeah. longest weekend ever spent about ten hours. i spent watching the threat and now out, what do you make of this? wrapping up the first month? >> yes. so i think, you know, we've all said how he was a showman. i was kind of surprised. i i expected a little more also spoke zarathustra, elvis in vegas music than the one we got when he came in, there was a little less of a pomp and circumstance thing, and i think in part he actually seems like he's been humbled a little bit or at least that's what he wants to

put forward i do think that this is a sign of how inchoate the gop coalition one of the long-term political stories of the last half century is the continued dissolution of the fdr coalition. and the gop his ability to take different pieces of it. you see that with jd vance, who is not a party unifier, right? he is not someone that every branch of the party likes. it is doubling down on the maga definition of things you saw it with amber rose, you saw it with the head of the teamsters the head of the teamsters was saying this stuff about how great nunes are and all that. and that's his job and he should say it and he makes many fine points but it's in wisconsin and i think one of the heads of the delegation from wisconsin is scott walker, who the last time we didn't have trump on the ballot, fought a hammer and tongs more with unions in the state and who's not a huge fan of the teamsters. this is a real schism that is being opened up here. and i was waiting thing almost pleading

for this guy a call for elon musk to unionize tesla, just to see the open floor fight, that were great right? but there are there are tectonic shifts going on in here that are going to be playing out for a while. >> that's what was most striking to me is just the remaking of the republican party in the image of donald trump in his notable to me that people who aren't there tonight, obviously former vice president mike pence, a traditional conservatives not mitt romney is not there. paul ryan is not there. the former standard bearers of conservatism or not present because this is much more a nationalist populist party. and the choice of vance is so interesting because there, this is donald trump looking beyond his term. if he's reelected and who is going to carry on his legacy, who's going to implement those policies going for who could potentially set up one of his children to run for office someday to run on this >> the populist platform, i think it was also going to be so interesting to see as the convention unfolds this week, what the party does to try

issue that is significant for suburban women's. so i think it's it'll be interesting to see as you're talking about kind of these pieces of the republican coalition that's another big piece. you know, there wasn't that much time tonight dedicated to speaking specifically to suburban women, and i'll just be interested to see how that evolves over the course of the week. well, it's just the first night. >> i mean, we absolutely we got a whole week of stuff. you know if you consumed all the media of this convention tonight and then you also watched the biden interview, which we talked about what's amazing to me is that trump got shot and biden's the one who's angry, mean he snapped at lester holt

several times tonight he's not in a good place and yet donald trump, who just got his ear shot off, is that you're walking around smiling looking emotional as he basks in the glow of this convention, trump got shot and biden is the one who is angry that we've been told for so long. >> now, trump's angry. he's vengeful he's going to be out here with a close clenched fist that's not what you saw on your television screen tonight. i'm just waiting to see how that tom at ages. yeah. i mean, as you said, this is just the first night he didn't speak tonight. let's let's put a pin like to me, let's put a pin in that see how that i think 90 he looked on bowl and hopefully it will stay that way, but i wouldn't bet a lot on it. but what i would say is would you call an inchoate cohen listen i see it as republicans are trying to eat our cookies we've had some cookies called the

black vote, and they're trying to take those cookies. we've had the labor vote. they're trying to take those cookies and a governing coalition is inchoate, right? that that's, that's what political leadership is. it's the ability to hold together a coalition that would ordinarily not form. and the challenge i think for the democratic party is that we had a governing coalition called the obama coalition and we had high hopes and aspirations for that coalition. we thought that as a country got browner, our party would get bigger this looks like maybe that i was maybe a little aspirational on our part because the countries getting browner and yet the republican party and so there's something happening here tonight that i think democrats who want to win in november should take very, very close noda of, you cannot take our voters for granted. democrats, labor, black, female, or other ones? and we are going to continue our coverage here for the next hour with this panel and also the team at the convention, we have more coverage starting right

now let's take another look at the emotional camper of this opening night of the republican national convention. and here in milwaukee, wisconsin, donald trump entering, don't love and applause his ear bandage, the visible reminder of that bullets that hit him during the attempt on his life on saturday the former president, now the official nominee of the republican party for a third consecutive time he was joined in the trump family viewing box by his newly named running mate, senator jd vance of ohio, and eventful day amid truly extraordinary circumstances surrounding this convention. let's go to kristen holmes. kristen, what are you hearing from the trump campaign? from trump allies about his

appearance today, which seemed to be quite emotional for him. >> yeah, clearly was jake. this is somebody that i've now been covering for over a year. this is the most emotional i have ever seen him and i have certainly seen him in what could have been various vulnerable positions. but donald trump himself talking to his allies, the people who know him, the best people who hadn't seen in him yet in public until this situation they were shocked at what they saw. they said he appeared softer that a times it looked as though he might cry. they said that they themselves were crying. i even spoke to people who used to support donald trump who no longer do, who said that it made them choke up. but this was an incredible probably emotional experience and they felt like they were seeing a different person up on that stage or in that box when he entered onto the convention floor. the other thing to point out here is that donald trump himself has been telling people both publicly and privately that he believes that he is lucky to be alive, that he believes that there were some

sort of divine interview manchin, of course, that is notable given the fact that donald trump we know is not a religious person. he's not even a spiritual person, but this is something he has said over and over again that he fundamentally believes that he shouldn't be alive right now, that there are some reason he tilted his head the way that he did to look up at that chart and that is what kept him alive and we saw a lot of that in his face tonight and that is what allies said as well, that they just felt like this was so much more of a human being than they had ever seen the former president looked before. >> all right. let's go over to boris sanchez. now he is near the convention stage here in milwaukee, wisconsin. boris tulsa. what it was like from your vantage point when former president trump made his entrance? >> yeah, jake, it was an extremely emotional moment. i'm sitting just across from that vip area. i could see the actual podium where we heard speakers tonight and i could see the way that the president was responding not only to them, but to the crowd when his face first appeared on the

jumbotron, there was an audible sound from the crowd elation and literally thousands of people taking out their phones to get ready for his appearance. once he finally emerged, a kristen was just outlining the emotional response from the president. ai saw several people in the crowd appearing to be emotional themselves, really the power of the moment landing heavily on them. and throughout the evening, you could see the responses from folks, not only in the crowd, but also other speakers when we watched amber rose seeming to charm the former president, he appeared to make several remarks. i watched them make a comment to congressman byron donalds. and now the presumptive vice presidential nominee jd vance during her speech, all the way to sean o'brien, where the president stayed standing during the entire speech, seemingly expressionless. i did watch byron donalds sort of make a gesture to him, but he was very receptive what was going on. and one interesting thing, i'm not sure of the cameras could capture this, but a large portion of the crowd over for by that vip area

wasn't even turn to the speaker's. they didn't turn away from the president once he emerged after the speeches began, but overall, obviously a very powerful moment for this crowd that was eager to see the president all the way toward the end of the benediction watching the president. in that moment as kristen outlined, not known for his birthday schwally, but seeming to absorb the importance of the moment, jake. all right, boris, thank you so much and let us talk about the biggest thing that happened at this convention today, other than donald trump appearing in public for the first time with a bandage on his ear after the assassination attempt on his life, just two days ago and dana bash, that is of course the selection the nomination of jd vance republican senator from ohio, who was one of the very first and most outspoken republican critics of donald trump back in 2015, 2000 it's in 16. he was at the time known as a

commentator, the author of hillbilly elegy, i think we have a mash-up of some of the things that jd vance, you see jd vance there earlier today with the guy at the top of the ticket, donald trump i think we have a mash-up of some of the things he said back then, followed to buy comments that he made earlier tonight on fox in which he tried to explain where those remarks came from half of the things that he says, don't make any sense or a quarter of the things that he says are offensive. i might have to hold my nose and vote for hillary clinton. i can't stomach trump. i think that he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place. i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him they seems to like actively antagonizing a lot of the black vote of i don't hide from that. >> i was certainly skeptical of donald trump in 2016, but president trump was a great

president and he changed my mind. >> i bought into the media's lies and distortions. i bought into this it's idea that somehow he was going to be so different a terrible threat to democracy. it was a joke well, he did try to overturn a free and fair election. >> but beyond that, what do you make of the conversion by mr. vance on the way to damascus? yeah. you know, that conversion happened a couple of years ago when he decided that he wanted to be a united states senator from the state of ohio, which is now a red state. and he needed the endorsement of donald trump and he got it. and so he did that may cope over and over again and he will have to continue doing it over and over again. he wasn't getting information from the media. he was getting information from the then candidate in 2016 and then the president after

starting in 2017 i mean, as much as he wants to say that it's the way that donald trump was for trade. is just not true. he's a smart guy. he saw what he saw and he made his own opinion based on that. and opinion that he has changed so much that he is now a 39-year-old running mate to that very same donald trump is very emblematic of a broader trend among republicans. there's something strange with donald trump where he has such fervor that he gets from the base of the republican party that it's almost impossible to succeed in republican politics. this has been true since 2016 without being somewhat aligned with trump. and yet trump also has a lot of political liabilities that make him a complicated and even toxic figure in the broader electorate. but for jd vance, as dana said, i mean the paradigm was very there's simple. if you want it to be elected, he had to be aligned

with trump. and the thing that probably changed his mind was that trump's hold on the base kept getting stronger, not so much that trump did anything different or said anything different as president. i mean, he acted as president the way that he ran as a candidate and nothing really changed the only thing that changed was that republican base voters said, this is our guy. and anybody who wanted to be associated with the republican party needed to get in line. >> urban. >> look, i it is this is the problem when you run in a primary, when you when you have a record, you go on television, you speak your mind and it ends up come back to bite you in the this is what we're seeing here you yeah, it is amazing that he said those things. i mean they're pretty strong. those shame on him for speaking his mind about fashion state. current running mate right now and he's gonna have to explain them away a little bit more, i think than the data points out. jd vance yale educated lawyer, very smart guy. and so look,

you can have a conversion, you could change your mind about someone's performance and how they've done the job and how they perform on the job. but he's going to need to have a little bit better explanation to how we was so vehemently opposed to somebody. and then now he's on the ticket i want to go to daniel dale right now. he's our resident fact checker and there were many things that were said at the convention that were shall we say contrary to the facts, fact challenged just give us just give us a sampler because we don't have all night. indeed. so jake, two of the biggest lies in from former president trump. he didn't speak live, of course, but he gave pre-recorded video comments in which he repeated some of his usual election nonsense and talking about the 2020 election having been unfair democrats supposedly being serial election cheaters, just nonsense. they're also a smattering of false or misleading claims from others. the chairman of the republican national committee on michael watley claim there was peace in the middle east under president trump four years ago, not even

close to true. there were a whole bunch of ongoing wars, not to mention, of course, the unresolved israeli palestinian conflict, a pre-recorded video claim that trump signed the largest tax cut in history. he did not. other pre-recorded videos talked about inflation being at a 40 year high, didn't explain that that high it's actually hit two full years ago, june 2022, that inflation today is about a third of what it was then. same with gas prices, they had a video in which people complain that they have to deal with the national average of more than five bucks per gallon, didn't explain that that was the june 2022 average. it's now way down from that as well. i also want to fact check a claim from georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene she was talking about the biden era economy. take a listen they claim that our economy is thriving, yet hundreds of thousands of american born workers lost their jobs. >> these past few years. >> this claim is misleading at best, and i think i'm being generous. data actually shows there's been major job growth for american born workers under president biden. 4.7 million more american born workers had

jobs in june 2024 last month than three years prior. know i said misleading rather than false because sure. it's possible hundreds of thousands of particular american porn workers lost their jobs under president biden. but green certainly created the impression i think jake, that american born workers on the whole have lost jobs during this presidency. and that's just wrong. this group has gained big on the whole. jake all right. >> daniel dale, thanks so much. all right. when we were when we were talking, i was just going to say about senator grants. i think everyone's record with the fact that he said very critical things about trump raised the question if he was a hitler like figure and what that looks like, one thing that stood out to me is whenever you're getting a job, you always wonder why is the job open? who had it last and why are they no longer in it? obviously, mike pence is not here tonight for a reason, and to look at why that was when i spoke to senator jd vance a few months ago, i asked him he was very clearly in the running to be donald trump's vice he's president. i asked if it gave him any pause how trump treated

mike pence, someone who was a very loyal lieutenant of his, navigated him very well during those four years that they serve together. obviously, donald trump as we've seen, with other members of his cabinet, is not always easy to work with or doesn't always get along with people that he has picked it and put in those physicians. and jd vance, his response was actually not that it gave him any concern. he actually said that he didn't believe he was skeptical of pence when he claimed that his life was at risk on january 6, and it just puts into perspective also the caliber of people that trump was considering, not just their resume and what they've done on the hill, but also what they would do situation like that, that is really the number one issue to donald trump. >> you know, we've been talking a lot tonight about what jd vance does for the ticket. i think maybe the better question is, why did donald trump pick them? and i think that goes directly to what you were just talking about. caitlyn, and that is the fact that just probably has more governing pick than it was a campaigning pick. and he's thinking less

about who's going to put them over the top. i think donald trump thinks, i'm going to win this election on my own. but i got to live with somebody for four years and if there's one thing, i mean, when you think of mike pence and how he just kind of checked his hit? anything he believed in at the door and for for years, did donald trump's bidding. and then of course, on january 6, 2021, did not. i think that was the unforgivable sin and maybe what donald trump sees in jd vance. not that necessarily be on january 6, but at somebody that he can count on to do what donald trump wants and to be faithful to donald trump's wishes. anderson, jake, thanks very much. >> we talked earlier and i want to talk a little bit more about some of what we saw, particularly earlier on during the convention or the outreach to black voters, a number of speakers, in particular john james of michigan congressman, i want to play a little bit of

what he said and talk about it and, i heard a little, earlier today if you know, evoke down 71 black here's, the thing by the grace of god and a proven leadership of donald trump for every american, regardless of race, color, and creed, we could once again have a land where tiles outcome is determined by their zip code then you had made the point earlier that there was not a great time years ago when a child's outcome was not determined by zipcode? well, yeah. i mean, that's just it's a weird thing to say because i mean, that's true. it's also true for poor white kids. i mean, if you grow up in a neighborhood that's impoverished didn't, didn't have opportunity. so i think those kinds of comments don't move black voters glee to seem out of touch him bizarre. and so that's part of the

challenge they have here. they're reaching out to the black community. but an amber rose when she talks, it, lands is authentic, it makes sense. you can tell she's coming from within the experience and she's talking that cuts. she was perfect. i mean, if you want to she gave a masterclass on political conversation. those speeches to me, and i don't mean to take anything away from her leadership, but they seem to be coming from people who talked about black people, not to black people. they talk about black years is not to like the thing i thought was most harmful was attempt scott, who i love and admire when he talked about the thousands of black children. there have been killed in chicago he had a glee in his voice. he was like sort of like a kind of point-scoring. but, you know, those of us who go to those funerals in sit with those grandmothers and those mothers and look at young people in the caskets. there's no glee about that. that's that that's not the wheat it but politicizing funerals in our community is not a good strategy for moving the black

votes so i just, i understand what they're trying to do, but i think i've got to really look at this because there's a way you can give offense and also the other thing that james said that i thought was was bad. he talked about black children, can't read. look, we have some challenges, but please don't take away from the millions of millions of black children who can't read, who do read in held by teachers who in tough schools at learning the joy, reading. this just a way that you can sometimes try to play with these tropes for an audience like that, that really lands badly in the community. >> i've got a nugget from a republican pollster source, friend of mine who's doing some testing among black and hispanic voters. in the wake of the assassination attempt. and i'll just tell you what they said. minority men, especially middle age and young minority men are in thrall called with how trump responded to the assassination attempt. these are not over overtly political people, but it's obvious the story transcends politics in their minds and it's all about

strength and courage under fire. put another way, the testosterone is flowing. >> now listen, you are correct on that 50 cent came out and played many men and showed a picture of donald trump. and anybody knows anything about hip hop many men wish death on me it's a very strong defiance anthem in the black community and $0.50 of play that there are things that are happening here. there are ways that there's a you know, unfortunately having court tv all summer has created donald trump as almost like a john gotti of folk hero among some people, black and white. yes, there's stuff going on here, but i just think that that the particular way they dealt with it tonight, i have chris, you mentioned tim, scott and i'll say amber rose, let's just play some sound from both of them america is not a racist country i realized donald trump and his supporters don't care if you're black white, gay, or straight. it's all love and

that's when it hits me these are my people. this is where i belong i, mean, listen, donald trump's also playing to the youth vote. >> the gen z z-ers who maybe haven't voted in a previous election and don't have deeply baked in perspectives on either of these candidates who probably feel very disillusioned by the fact that we have basically two octogenarians running against each other. but if you look at tiktok, if you look at social media, which is where young voters there's are watching this. they're not watching on linear. donald trump knows how to use messages like that in blasted out to tens of millions of people. he knows how to play the meme games. he knows how to create viral moments and share them. so that's also something i wouldn't sleep on in this election because that's traditionally been something that's more of a democratic coalition, something that obama obviously turned out. and i think he's making a real play there. but i think trump also has look, he has a personal history of things like the justice department coming after him because you refuse to rent to black vote black renters in his properties. i mean, he obviously has said many things

that are i would argue deeply problematic in terms of aiding and abetting some of the white supremacist factions in this country that i think are, as, i think, voters of all colors should look at and say, that's not what we want the president united states. so i think he has a personal history on race that i think biden and the biden team has an opportunity to really put front and center for people because there's no question for biden to be reelected. he has to do the kind of numbers that he did with black voters in 2020. and i think we've seen in a lot of the polling some slippage there. and so i think there's got to be an aggressive argument from the biden campaign, i think in addition to trump's personal history, i think they also have a substantive argument. they can make about what the economy looked like think for black businesses under donald trump, black unemployment was higher under donald trump so i think there are both personal and substantive arguments here that give the biden campaign elaine and i think they have some work to do and they need to do it

yes. >> i'm a text guy. right? i listened to some of these speeches and i'm like, what that doesn't sound right, whatever vans criticism or is based on text the subtext here is very good for republicans, right? the subtext is, you know, there's this rule in politics that says before people are going to listen to your policy solutions, they first east first have to prove it. you care about them and so you can be ham-fisted in some ways about how you reach out to black voters. i mean, they introduced one woman as a latina woman, and then rhetoric an american give her, you would never say white american joe schmoe, right and so but there's some ham-fisted stuff because republicans aren't good at this historic berkeley at the same time, you see if you were doing this, the sort of we can all stipulate that roger ailes was a flawed human being, but he was onto something about watching tv with the sound off. and if you watch this with the sound off you would sell republicans care about black people, and then you see the chyron on the teamsters, guy au

reaching out to teamsters that i think the osmosis of that is pretty powerful and i agree there's all sorts of texts, substance, however you want to put it for biden to execute are the democrats to execute against republicans, particularly against donald trump and his actual record but you need to be really nimble to execute that. and i just don't have a lot of complex more thing if i may just praise amber rose again, this political savant and she alluded to her democratic friends who would say, you know, you can't say that, you can't do this. that is so much more effective. that's something i hear constantly with american voters, left, right and center is feeling like have speech codes. and if you use the language that was good five years ago, but it's not now the way she articulated in basic english is so much more effective than some of the earlier language of the woke mind virus. if you don't live on twitter, that means nothing to you, but feeling like au, if you slightly mischaracterized how we now talk about this, you're going to be ostracized. it was very, very fact. it me to answer you, kate, some of the what's going on with the african american debate here

who's better for these voters is just wrapped up in but the fact that they are largely working class african americans are working class americans. this election is not necessarily as we've seen tonight, just r&d, just red and blue just urban and rural. it's working class feeling like the elites in this country have stopped listening to them and left them behind and trump seems to be agnostic of your race. he only cares whether you are a working class person and when you continuously tell groups of people just shut up and show up and hey, i know you they call, so i know you believe cost of living has gone up, but here, eat some of these charts and graphs for dinner tonight they get sick of it and i think that's why you're seeing folks to your point more willing now to break out in the past, you to get your head shot of egypt about the ditch. in some certain communities. now, people are feeling more free to

express it don't need a lot of hope. >> then, and then we got to flip and i do just to keep us somewhere close to reality vast majority of black people will be voting against donald trump i mean, at 90%, were black people can be confident of 90 1990 but about, but i'm talking about 85. i'm coming the black people will vote against donald trump more than any other group with no peer and some are beginning to move. so i just wanted to just keep us somewhere close to reality check birth with jeff zeleny for more democratic reaction about the pick jd vance, jeff, what are you hearing anderson, there's no question that democrats were eagerly watching this republican convention as well, largely because of the new man in the race. >> jd vance. and for the first time of course, we've got the look. the first look between donald trump and jd vance, how their bodies the language but democrats are looking much deeper into his record and we heard from president biden today, he immediately sort of

phrase, senator vance as a clone of trump. i'm told that that is going to be a bumper sticker message going forward, particularly on abortion. they're going to try and looking at some previous comments on abortion rights that senator vance just talked about, including his support for a national abortion ban now, of course, this race is going to revolve around donald trump. there is no question about that, but they do believe at least on the margins that vance being added to this, a ticket offers them some opportunities, but anderson, as democrats were watching the convention tonight just checking back in with bennett was this speech from sean o'brien, the teamsters, a president that had some alarm for democrats as well. some of his words certainly, we're speaking to what we're all seeing here is a potential realignment in the parties. we do not know where that will go this year, but that is one thing that democratic officials, both here in wisconsin and others that we've been speaking with are looking at very carefully. so this election in 2024, again, sort of cycle by cycle, we have seen the working class and the

country club republicans sort of occupy one another space. so democrats watching that tonight as well but for here going forward, jd vance is big speech on wednesday night you can bet democrats will have a lot to say about that. whereas vice president harris, i'm told she'll be talking about him as well. >> anderson zeleny. thanks very much that the other factor which we haven't talked about in the last couple of hours is whether the assassination attempt and what the ripple effects of that are. i mean, it has fundamentally changed things. it is fundamentally change in some people's minds. the perception of donald trump. i mean, his humanized humanize him tonight, he looked it humanized him on that stage. the presence of mind he had that extraordinary sense. he has to tell his secret service detail to wait so he can have this iconic moment. all of that happening in real time do we. know yet how i mean, for many in that crowd tonight, there's a messianic field to his

survival. >> i think it is changed him based on his own words and he told the new york post you know, i'm not supposed to be here, i'm supposed to be dead. he told me he said he wrapped up his speech and he starting over so i guess we're going to see just how much he's changed. but i also think it has reinforced trump's basic framing of this election. it's always been strength versus weakness. and when i look at him on that stage, standing up fighting through his detail to raise his fist and say fight, fight, fight juxtaposed against the video of joe biden at the debate. joe biden, some of these interviews the strength versus weakness frame has been magnified 1,000 times, right now. and i don't know how in the world a democrat campaign, whatever changed that at this point, i'm still struck though by the announcing of jd vance today and i say that because there were this tone within the media political circles, pundants that after the assassination attempt, when you but take down the temperature and even having conversations

around is donald trump a threat to democracy, which by the way, i believe he is needed to be stifled for a bit. but by choosing somebody who used language far more outrageous and offensive than that and equivocating him to hitler is your running mate. you basically just welcomed that conversation, which i think has been the court for democratic message back into the ether. so i think that that kind of what could have been even half a week of people really holding what they were going to criticize donald trump over it, welcomed that back into the discourse with the selection of this i agree with that and i think that there's i think you can kind of feel almost like a champing at the bit of people too. get back to everybody knows we're in the midst of a hard-fought presidential campaign. and you can sort of feel everyone's creeping back closer to criticize me. tell you heard it from some of the speakers tonight. you heard at some from president biden in his interview. i mean, i think everybody recognizes there are significant stakes in this election, and i think it's even given the significance and the horribleness of what

happened over the weekend, it i'm not sure. scott saying there's no way to change the dynamic between now and 112 days from now, 14 days that's i look, i don't disagree. i don't disagree that the strength the strength contrast yeah. trump had his instinct to throw his fist up. that photo. all of it reinforce strength. i'm not just not disputing that, but i also think we can't sit here 100 plus days out from the election and say definitively, we know what the dynamics are going to look like. three-and-a-half months from now, you believe that is a 1% chance that on election they more americans will view joe biden as a stronger leader than donald trump. i think there is a very good chance more americans will view donald trump as a bigger threat to their future than joe biden. i think i think if you ask for the biden camp, i think if you want to, the rhetoric that you were using previously, that trump is going to end the country burned the constant tuition and he's a modern hitler. it's going back what

but i mean, that is true. >> i mean, trump uses that if you have another four years what happened this week, but i think i just even in his state when backfire to go back to that right polo threat to democracy, just two days ago on truth. >> so they're also even in the statement he put out today about oh unity. if you've read the sentences before him and don't have it in front of it, but it's all about the getting rid of all the court cases. it's still the election lies. it's not as if there's been i just feel like we've seen multiple campaigns where people talked about a change of tone and donald trump and i mean, i remember in 2016 interviewing him and i'm talking about well, i can be so presidential, have a presidential tone. and by the way, on teleprompter, i expect him to be presidential. >> i actually think you will have a well-written, thoughtful, substantive forward-looking speech. it's what he does when he's not on prompter, when he's rallied up by a crowd. when he's out there campaigning or the things like he's actually going to do from a policy perspective, i look

i've been running columns for almost ten years now saying donald predicted donald trump's presidency would end badly because character is destiny. >> i've been saying how expecting donald trump to pivot to being presidential is like waiting for godot, just not going to happen. but i want to give due credit, discuss that's point. that getting shot at can change a person. so we'll see the mic, one, source of skepticism other than the fact that 78 year-old's even when they go through something dramatic, don't tend to change their fundamental natures too much. but it's possible i'm credit you that i don't know that he knows how i don't know that he knows the language of being a conciliator for more than five minutes. and it, the idea that he is going to knock go back to calling his opponents vermin and marxists and fascists and communists and all that kind of stuff. that's the language he's learned how to speak in. and i don't know that he's even get a berlitz phrase book and get up to speed on how to be a melt middle of the road guy but what i would

say is i do feel that democrats right now feel frozen because we don't want to be mean or insensitive, whatever but if they keep giving us a the permission structure to get out of this box, we have to get out of it. >> jd vance is unlocking a door that you guys don't want unity, you pick somebody who's mean to us, you picked somebody who is a barn burner, you didn't pick nikki haley. that begins to open door back up for us to get out of this crouch right now, democrats are in a crash. we are not going to stay here if we, if we continue to see absolutely. i also think by the way, that biden laid out in the interview a path forward on this, which is you don't, you can criticize somebody, you can criticize the substance of what they're putting forward without doing it in terms that are that are going to incite violence. and i think that was a piece of the interview tonight that i thought was very good for him in that he sort of he laid down a road map of how he clearly intends to get back into taking this to trump and it doesn't mean using hateful language, which i would argue

why not is not joe biden. anyway. >> but if it was laying out this roadmap of how we're going to have this respect. but why was he so mad snapping it, lester holt, what does your gut? >> man? you guys, this is happening other words, we're going to continue. we're going to continue this discussion. let's get back to jake thanks, anderson. >> and guess what, it's time for your it's time to break out the magic wall. john king we we we brought you brought your portable magical wall here today walking. it's beautiful and walk us through where the race stands right now, i think the most striking thing jake is on this first night of the republican convention. i'll be turned this way. she can get a closer look. just take a look between the then and now. this is the event and this is the 20 20 presidential election. this is joe biden's overwhelming and convincing win in the electoral college. yes. the former president was in the room here tonight. others in the room here tonight still say this was a rigged or unfair

election. that's not true. it's just not true. joe biden won anyone big. that was that 306 to 232. but this is our current cnn projection of where we we are now and look at this. if donald trump one would we have here dark red states, solid republican, light red states leaning republican if he won just those right there, he would already have the path to 270, 272 electoral votes. looks what is different we have wisconsin is a tossup. we have pennsylvania as a tossup, two critical states thanks for joe biden. michigan right now, another critical state for biden, leaning republican, georgia, a state biden flipped leaning republican arizona, a tossup state that was a stiff by state. biden flipped nevada a state he won leaning republican. this is the dire strait for joe biden right now on the first night of the republican convention tomorrow is 16 in weeks to election day, 16 weeks from tomorrow, we count the votes. it is tough to change our map like this in that amount of time. and here's why democrats are so worried. why so many democrats

are saying mr. president, please reconsider and get out of this race because right now trump is leading here and trump is leaning here, leading here narrowly. but he's ahead in those states. trump is leading here that's 312 electoral votes. trump is leading in this nebraska congressional district. let me change it that way. nebraska does it by congressional district. that's 313 electoral votes and debris the crowds are warning that trump may not be well ahead. it may still be margin of error, it might be a tie, but right now, trump is competitive here. that's blue, virginia. that's blue new hampshire. so the warnings to the white house are donald trump could conceivably, if the current dynamics in the race hold, get 330 or more electoral votes, that's what they believe now now if you're a democrat, if you're in the biden white house, yes, there are 16 weeks to election day so can it be done? come back to this. can it be done? yes. but it's a very narrow path for joe biden. he must win this. he must change this michigan has

to go blue and he must win this look at that number, even if he did that, one of the three blue wall states he's at 200 and 269, so he either has to get arizona and nevada back or get georgia back and when the nebraska congressional district, joe biden has essentially one, maybe two narrow path to 270. donald trump has so many, there are viable paths to get him as high as 330, which means you can take some states away, jake. and he would still get to 270. donald trump on the first night of his convention. and democratic people who are studying the data closely say it keeps getting worse for the president, donald trump opened his convention tonight in a commanding position in this race period. >> yeah, jon stewart there because i want to play some fresh sound from the new of vice presidential running mate for donald trump au, republican senator jd vance, talking about the phone call that he got when donald trump offered him a spot on the team ticket. take a listen he just said, look, i

think going to save this country. i think you're the guy who could help me in the best way you can help me govern, you can help me win. you could help me in some of these midwestern states like pennsylvania and michigan and so forth. so interesting, we had talked about that earlier. jd vance of ohio, and the ability of him to help with those blue wall states, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin western pennsylvania, a key part of pennsylvania, key part of the commonwealth, right? across the border from ohio. and so that's one of the reasons that he was picked according to jd vance, you just made an excellent point when you said western pennsylvania this i think it will be the interesting test case to watch jd vance get on the road, watch where they put them not just on the ground campaigning, but on television interviews. one of the things have vice presidential nominee does a lot of local television interviews so let's see how they use jd vance. let's use your home state, the commonwealth of pennsylvania is jd vance going to flip allegheny county where pittsburgh is from blue to red,

know no. most unlikely anyway. anyway, but but does he change the margins that's the question, right. so you're in a place like this, you know, this allegheny county, pittsburgh's right here, strong democratic stronghold. but as jim move up, where the president's rally was in butler is up here to the north of that. as you go up as you move up here, there are voters who are available to you. 59% to 39% there. if you go back to 2016 you come back there 56%, you might say 59, 56, that's close, doesn't matter. it matters a loss. it matters a lot. the third party candidates, again, we're talking about trump biden vance camila harris tonight. but the third party candidates matter as well. the issue is you have places like that. will we see my question is, do we see jd vance over in places like this bucks county? the more blue collar, the more competitive of the philadelphia collar counties may be plays there. some blue collar people here as you move into montgomery county and you come down here in chester county and you move over here to delaware county. those are where that's where donald trump is. kryptonite,

the american suburbs is donald trump's kryptonite. and does jd vance helped there? his record on abortion, his record on other issues there's nothing on paper today that says jd vance will help you here, but but western pennsylvania, then you come across again, michigan, the teamsters president was here tonight, joe biden as trouble with some auto workers there are places in michigan notice donald trump came into the hall tonight before a gentleman from western michigan spoke, the trump people timed his entrance for a reason. is they know where this rachel, we want to let so can he help here? can he help here? well, remember, he's from here in ohio. are reliably red state here. if you remember back on the night of 2016, jake, the first clue that donald trump was going to have a good night was when the votes started coming in in northern kentucky, right along the ohio border. and yes, you knew donald trump was going to win kentucky. it's a red state, but turnout was coming through the roof. that's when we first started says if that happened there then what had happened here. and this community is just like

that here in pennsylvania and there's also communities just like that to the west in michigan and wisconsin, turnout matters. can jd vance get more white trump voters may be disillusioned with both candidates. a lot of voters out there who don't like like either of these major party nominees for president. one of the things that gets forgotten sometimes is look at that 62 million votes, right? 63 if you're round of votes for donald trump in 2016 he got a lot more votes in 2020, he still lost because joe biden and the democrats turned out so many more voters. president biden has an enthusiasm problem right now, if jd vance that's can help donald trump turnout every maga republican, every maybe non-trump republican. but by dna republican who can't vote for biden that number might be enough this time, if you can match that number or turn it up a little bit, it might be enough if the third party candidates are more of a factor in 2024, they were not a factor in 2020 and if biden loses just a little bit in black turnout, a little bit, and latino turnout a little bit in the suburbs. so that's jd

vance thing, tried to get trump back to the 20 2016 model of where he did well, but with the 2020 numbers, bring them out so let's turn to what to something that i think is under discussed when it comes to policy. and what we heard tonight, jd vance, senator vance is not just this quintessential american success story. he is also one of the leading skeptics in the united states senate of aid to ukraine. and what we heard from david sacks this entrepreneur from silicon valley today. this evening in a primetime speaking slot was a very curious interpretation of the war in ukraine. no rothman who is a conservative writer for national review rights. david sacks alleges that joe biden, quote, provoked yes, provoked unquote. russia's invasion of ukraine. and he perpetuated the war by failing to endorse a russian backed peace proposal.

this is rothman still saying sachs laid the blame for ukraine civilian casualties not at black. vladimir putin's feet joe biden's. and that is a fairly shocking statement to be made at a republican party convention. yes, we know that donald trump is of the more isolationist wing of his party but now we have conservatives basically saying that they are stunned that david sacks was given this speaking slot to basically blame the war in ukraine on joe biden instead of vladimir putin which maybe not in those stark terms, but we've heard donald trump do similar effectively saying saying that if i were president, this wouldn't have happened maybe not about those terms and about the potential deal. i understand. but it is

definitely another example, a very big, if very consequential example. jake, of the way that this republican party is so different from the one that we covered early on. and i've heard from other national security minded republicans that they are concerned for the reason you just said about jd vance on the ticket coming up, what's next for the republicans here in milwaukee, wisconsin, and how president biden is responding to the gop convention. stay with us what is circle surplus? a field to take flight? >> circle isn't energy that gets you to the next level circled is which hope for life tosses limit your way circle available that walmart and drinks circle.com at morgan stanley old school hard work needs bold new thinking at

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idea. to 369369 i'm bill weir on the california coast and this is cnn don't trump party wrapping day one of the republican national convention in milwaukee with their appearance by their presidential nominees still bandage the attempt on his life. now, it is on onto day to president biden is in las vegas, nice au, cnn's kayla tausche. kayla, how's the president responding to what's been happening? the republican convention? >> anderson this evening, president biden called senator jd vance, the vice presidential pick, a clone of prompt that was carefully calibrated. sound by sized line that we expect to hear a lot of as the president as well as vice president harris respond to the news of what the ticket looks like for them? republicans, vice president harris, sending out fundraising emails, and many campaign officials talking about the desire to really frame at least the vice presidential discussion on race

productive rights, as well as the future of democracy. but the big moment for president biden today was his sit down interview with lester holt of nbc news that was expected to take place in austin texas. but when biden postponed that travel in the wake of trump's assassination attempt, that interview still took place at the white house and it was yet another opportunity where biden was hoping you can prove to the american people and the american media, as well as the democratic class writ large that he was up to the task of four more years. he was extremely defensive in that interview. apologized for some of the rhetoric that he used as it related to his opponent on the campaign trail. but he reverted essentially back to some of his campaign rhetoric saying that he was not the one who would pledge to be a dictator on day one that he, president biden was not the one who challenge the outcome of the 2020 election. so hitting back at president trump on some of those very familiar topics here in nevada, he's going to try to turn to policy tomorrow talking about housing specifically and actions he's taking for workers, but were

workers are concerned kristen, we all saw the president of the teamsters on stage tonight. i'm told that the teamsters are withholding an endorsement until after the conventions, as they usually do. but as of right now, the democrats it's have not extended an invitation for o'brien to appear at their big convention in august. anderson kayla tausche. thanks so much. want to play some more. another clip of president biden talking to lester holt who do you listen to on deeply personal issues like the decisions whether to stay in the race or not be i've been doing this a long time. >> the idea i'm the old guy, i am, i'm old, but i'm only three years older than trump number one and number two, my mental acuity has been pretty good. i've gotten more done than any president has a long, long time. i'm in three-and-a-half years so i'm

wondering to be judged on that. i understated i understand why people say god, he is 81-years-old once you're going to be when he's 83-years-old or 84 years or so legitimate question would ask the team here. i mean, then how long can this go on for? i mean, this i mean, on the democrat side well, look, i think it's probably going to go on until november and i want to give the president some credit before it was his heightened biden heightened biden. he won't come out. he won't do unscripted. he won't do interviews. he has done interviews. so then he does them and he sounds like an old guy, but this was not a rambling incoherent mess the way he was on that debate stage. and he's trying to stick up for himself. and by the way he's got to reasons to go for himself because he has gotten a lot done it's i think it's hard for americans to feel that the way that he wants us to. but anyway, i met my question

by the way, on how long it has gone for. i mean the the the in decision on it. i mean, their overhang. yeah. whether looks man. we the clock running out on us we're going to have to make a decision at some point, the dnc is gonna have to decide if nothing else, we're au that this is a ticket in that sit. and when that happens, we are going to fight till the last dog barks for joe biden because we believe joe biden is bad for this country, even if he is old than donald trump. but in the meantime, i think it's a healthy sign for this party to have a discussion is a cult. you would be in a cult if your candidate did something awful and you couldn't debate it, and you couldn't talk about it. the republicans, apparently, no matter what happens, they won't debate you can have all kind of belize icon terrible stuff is all right with them, but with us, while we get new facts and new data, we discussed that we debated. we had a primary well, yes, many many people ran, including trump. we had a primary. we add debates. there were votes trump

won in the democratic party they ran rfk junior out of the room, wouldn't let him challenge joe biden word that gets you. not in a good place right now. they rig the thing for biden. you have not had a debate and it's why right now in the latest nbc poll that liked 30% of democrats are satisfied with their party's nominee. the most important thing joe biden said right there, by the way, he said i've got a record now willing to be judged on it he just asked the american people for a referendum on his record. he currently has a 32% approval rating. i'll take it well, from a pr perspective, i just find that every time they've put them out since the debate, it hasn't gotten better. you could argue the nato press conference was it's maybe neutral. it didn't do a ton of harm, but frankly, if our bar for the democratic nominee is simply that he can answer basic foreign policy questions on issues he's worked on for 40 years. it's a pretty low bar and acknowledging there's a low bar that we have on the right. it's not he's been unable to get past this place of defending why he should be in the race and what he's

accomplished. there's no forward-looking king vision. he's not talking about. here's what we're going to do next term. here's what your next four years are going to look like. and that's what keeps them stuck in this sort of stagnant place. and why frankly, i think conversations are going to continue with dm leadership because listen, people might be willing to sacrifice the presidency, but down-ballot races, i don't think we have another i think we have another bite from this. lester holt interview let's play that why don't you guys ever talk about the 18 to 28 lies he told where this wind the press ever talk about that 28 times. >> it's confirmed he lied i had a bad bad night i wasn't feeling well at all. gave me and i had been went out to i screwed up should point out, we did extensive fact-checking on all the lies told by donald trump in that debate. the question is, why couldn't he on the stage pushed back on those,

those, lies effectively, but to the question of, you also john king has reporting but earlier. stanley greenberg has been sending poll numbers to the inner circle of president biden making the argument that it's, it does not look good well, i look it shouldn't go on much longer if democrats want to win this election. >> i mean, i think there has been, look, you know, sky can say the process was rigged he's the incumbent president. others got into the race. dean phillips actually gotten the race and made this exact case and didn't get the votes that he needed to become the nominee. joe biden became the nominee by the votes of voters who voted in the democratic primary he has said many, many times after having been questioned many times about this, that he's not stepping down and he is going to be the nominee. so at some point, democrats have to decide that they want to try to win this election and turn their fire on donald trump. i think there is. i should have said turned their fire. i apologize. that's that was not the phrase that i meant. they need to turn their

focus on donald trump but i do think there has to come an end to this. i think thank everybody in the party leadership has made their case. they've spoken to the president privately as we've heard from from a lot of reporting and the president has said that he's not going to step down. so i at a certain point, we can, we can keep arguing in circles about this or we can decide that we want to put our full throat are full chest or full voice behind joe biden and go try to win this race and i do think that this the finish line for this needs to be insight here. what do you do though? >> when the guy who's running believes he's destined to win and virtually every other single person in your party strategists, elected official and otherwise thinks he is destined to lose when the core argument is up until now if we lose the country's over, how do you square that? >> how do you square that as a

as a democrat, do you believe it or not? he has there is no guarantee that somebody else is going to win this election. that's where the argument starts to fall apart that people are making. there is no magic one, no one has a crystal ball, no one can say if we inserted, fill in the blank here, vice president harris, or any other nominee? into this race, they are guaranteed to beat donald trump. that's where that argument starts to fall. they are, they are guaranteed to be able to campaign. and that's, that's the thing i look at is the i don't think joe biden can campaign for president. i think kamala harris can i think a lot of the other people can. i mean, i have my preferences, but i got no party loyalty. the defend here. i just think as just i don't like he's good enough to i don't think he's in good enough shape to serve for format second event yours thing. there is a character piece here, that think people may be missing, which is the diligence the perseverance that he is showing is itself an argument for his care, a history making night at the republican national convention. there's much more headlong coach picture our coverage african what's considered

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to cnn's special live coverage of the republican national convention. we alive inside the cnn grill right here in milwaukee, where convention attendees are gathering. they are celebrating after a busy first night of the republican national convention. and you know what a lot has happened already here tonight. but perhaps the biggest moment we were all waiting for the arrival of a man who just 48 hours ago survive what is being investigated as an assassination attempt. former president donald trump was next to them. the man who solves the mystery of who trump well name as his running mate, ohio senator jd vance, and both were nominated by republicans earlier. today but tonight was more than about the fist pump. >> it was also a night of speeches focused on today's theme. it was make america wealthy again, you probably saw all the different signs that we're in the convention hall

in each day is going to bring yet another new theme the convention and speakers mostly focused on those issues. the economy, by these policies, but also both of trump's sons spoke to cnn about the shooting and how it is effect during their father using the hospital and i get a call from him and he cracked a little joke and i knew that donald trump, i know the father, i know is you know, his back. he certainly understands how close it wasn. not the same time, he's not deterred at that moment when he stood up after being shot at and just showed resolve to keep fighting for this country, that that was everything for me. i just literally told him i go, you're the biggest badass i know well, tonight's event comes on a monumental day for trump when it comes to his legal jeopardy. judge aileen cannon throwing out throwing out the classified documents case against him at special counsel tonight says that they are going to appeal and all of this as we get news on the other side of the aisle despite

being what, 37 days away from the democratic national convention, first telling cnn that the private effort from democrats maj president biden out of the race is apparently still going on, and it continues tonight. we'll talk about all of these things have inside the grill here, but let's first begin with the convention bring me here, harry enten, david polyansky, tara palmeri and cnn's mark preston, foot, glad to have all of you guys here and look, we were all waiting on this moment where what, 72 hours since an assassination attempt of a former president does the united states became in the appear to be quite emotional at first, we walked onto the convention floor how significant was that moment to see him knowing that he intends to change here? the speech to be one of unity look, it was it was rockets in a way for him to come into like he was he was welcomed as a conflict zero in many ways night you think that that iconic picture, which were all describing now is because

it is an iconic picture, you know, really kind of like typified where we are in the race right now in we're he thinks he can take the rates. >> now weather he can keep the discipline of being focused on, you know, being somebody who can unite the country remains to be seen, but at least that's what he's trying to play right now. and i do believe that the discipline we've seen so far has been the most shocking things i mean, this point in terms of the themes of staying on topic is i think he will expected the republican national convention because we know that politics is not a bean bags or it's sometimes a contest tax board should not be physical as it has turned into but still, it wasn't a change in tone, but is it enough to bring more people into the fold? well that's the former president came into the debate and it certainly came into this weekend. and now until the convention with a pretty sizable lead but you look at national polling, which obviously isn't all that overwhelmingly compelling, but he's up by almost 4% on

average. and at this point in the race, four years ago, joe biden he's up by almost nine points now you go to the battleground states where he's leading in every single one of them. and frankly, he's about to expand the map in the states like virginia new mexico, and even met minnesota. and so there's a lot of confidence brewing with the president, with his team and now with his picked. and i think you sense that today in the proud to the audience, were thrilled to see him? they're excited to see him yeah. thrilled that he's healthy. and in a strong position. but today they are celebrating his pick in his position politically as well. and i that is giving him the confidence to be a unifying force because in all for all intents and purposes, the race is over it's easy to be magnanimous here he is comes about, why is the race over to you? because half the latter part of your segment was democrats tonight against the guy who is leading in every state that matter. who is

leading the financial advantage with a major financial advantage who is leading and every metric imaginable in the other side? maybe is debating. have a toss out. the sitting president of the united states with 37 days left until their convention look, i'm i'm all faring it at the ben hogan jumping at the bit just because i feel the confidence, i fear for republicans on their side of the aisle, it may be briefing into over-confidence right there's no doubt that donald trump leads nationally. there's no doubt that he leads in the important battleground states. there's no doubt he's in his best political position that he's ever been in in terms of a general election? but if you take a step back and you do what i do for a living and you look at past polling errors and look how much racist can shift from this point until the general election. there's roughly about a one in four-shot flipping the coin twice and landing on hedge twice. that's the chance that i believe joe biden hasn't winning that election. now, what i much rather be donald trump absolutely. oh my

goodness, gracious. but the idea, in my opinion that this race is over, i'm not quite sure i'd go that far at least yet i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> i just i just wanted to say real quick. in most campaigns, i agree with you. campaigns are generally about should this person hold office, should donald trump or should joe biden be president the challenge here is that's no longer the case. it's ken joe biden to be president in an overwhelming amount of voters, including democrats, don't think so. so polling errors, margin of error, that phone out the door. nobody believes joe biden can not only win this race, but can serve another four years. and i don't think that's possible. overcome. let my father always says put a fork in it. it's done. you agree with that assessment right now when it comes to the former the current brazil, united states, i think there's a real push among democratic leadership there strategizing, they're trying to figure out a way to move them off because they know they're going down the ship. i mean, the way i would describe it as it's like there on the titanic and they're just singing the violin seriously. there is a

real resignation or remorse. and its strategy and it's every day, it's fluid, you know, he talked to people and they're thinking, okay, maybe today is the day, but he has to decide for himself. today is the day that what that he can be convinced or that he we will decide that he should not be at the top of the ticket. here's the game changer or the x factor. it's if someone else, if trump runs against someone else, because they would like to run against joe biden. that is the campaign that they have strategized around those, what they've craft around, you throw in someone different than yes, four months from now, it's a totally different story that's just take a step back because we've it's interesting to me and i think democrats are probably very upset to think that i'm the first day of the republican national convention. the focus continues to be on the current president is now maybe if you're president trump or former, you'd want that to be the case but in terms of the tone today, we didn't really hear a lot of attacks personally about biden. we heard about the policy in the eye the da the economy in a different way. how did that

tone strike you? does it resonate with you in this conversation? >> well i mean, it comes back to the whole idea of them staying on message and the campaign and look, the donald trump, we're seeing one right now. >> this campaign is much different than we've seen in previous campaigns. there's a lot more disciplined susie wiles, who's running the campaign, is keeping it very, very tight. they may break. you're talking, not talking about two days. we're talking about over time. this campaign feels different, not just the last two days no, but i think what we've seen over the last two days is a culmination of them making him stay on message he's been more on message. >> now, and i know it sounds crazy for me to say this, but he's been on more met ethan on message more now than he's ever been than i've ever seen him at this point and i do think that what i expected tonight and i was wrong is that we would we would see a lot more anger coming out from folks and we didn't see that necessarily. they were told the state of the sprints they can smell victory, they can smell it. you even just look at the gop platform. how many times

does the word marriage mentioned the gop platform? once. how many times was abortion mentioned in this gop platform? once these would be issues, if you go back to 2016 that were mentioned dozens of times they are running a campaign to try and win in the middle at this point, they can smell the victory and they feel like unity can be the thing that can take them there, whether or not it ultimately does, we'll have to wait and see, but so far it is working let me ask. orders will come out. yeah, border as well. his base after for this attempts, like it's a pretty locked shore proven thing that he will have high turnout even before the hold on. if this is the case it is the it is be assured victory, which i'm going to cause that you know, nothing of jordan nothing. no. i hear you miles asking are going to get $45 million a month for the next several months. what a lot of money and politics as you just maybe the layman, not

people who are in the strategy and the pundit field would say, well, do you need it if it's onshore victory, why so much funny. look, this is just the campaign anymore? more about the white house. this is about ensuring control of the senate and the house. but also gubernatorial races across the country in down-ballot. this is the moment, this is the section for republicans and conservatives across the country to seize the moment and take control of government up and down the ladder. and why that matters. sure, it matters at the federal the level for things like supreme court nominations, tax cuts, which will expire next year. all of that matters. but what happens at the local level matters to its where you decide policy he said impact a lot of us on our everyday lives. we see it firsthand and just as importantly, that's actually where we start to build our base for the picture of candidates and the growth i would just add when you smell victory, you don't all of a sudden runaway from the kitchen. you run towards the kitchen, you put more money down to ensure that that victor three actually comes because as

you were just saying, lord, nothing is assured. you put in more money in those racist, you make sure if you're beating joe biden, you continue to beat joe. what about the choice for the vice president? you're talking about the tone being decidedly different over time that it was not perhaps as antagonistic. there's a lot about what's going to happen there and the deflection of jd vance, in particular but, you know, it struck me today, the people who were speaking you know, you had senator tim scott who had governor kristi noem who had others who were all there. what did it say to you that this election of the people who came out of the gate talking, we got amber rose talking as well. your thoughts? well, i think that most of the people that were speaking there are there the bench for the, you know, the future of the republican party since donald trump can only serve one term, essentially, jd vance would be front runner because there'll be the vice president or if they went obviously. but yeah, this is the future of the republican party. and the thing i gathered from jd, it seems

like he's going to be the pitbull at this moment, right? because trump has taken this temperature tone, he's trying to be magnanimous. course he can do that like i said, because he's he's ahead in the polls and he's doing well grace but for now, he can have j d out there and i think they think that jd offers some help politically in the rust belt, but mostly trump never really thought that a running they make would add much to the ticket. he always believed it was about him and it would irk him to think that someone could really help him, frankly, you know what we're going to get more intense because i am really intrigued by the choice of the device presidential candidate. and there's so much more to talk to about bears. and i do not for one second thing for phrases over and you know what, i think a lot of americans do not at either in our panel, we'll get more into this discussion next more on trump's new running mate. once fierce critic, remember that we'll call trump, was a moral disaster. i'll see with a man who nominated jd vance and harry enten also will help us figure out whether this will help trump on the electoral map here, continuing to cnn special live coverage where the cnn grow in milwaukee when you use

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vance right before the 2016 election i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. the media has sort of asked me to be the spokesman for the white working class voter. his voting for trump, right but as somebody who doesn't like trump myself, i sort of, i understand where trump's voters come from, but i also don't like trump himself and that's made me realize that maybe are not quite part of either world total that was before the beard. and now he is very much in that world. >> i mean that 180 degree turn pretty stark to say the least. and this is, of course, for somebody who normally has punish those who have gone against him. well, tonight he downplayed his past comments i was certainly skeptical of donald trump in 2016, but president trump was a great president and he changed my mind. i bought into the media's lies and distortions. i bought it under this idea that somehow he was going to be so different. president trump did a really good job, and i actually think it's a good

thing when you see somebody you were wrong about it, you ought admit the mistake and admit they were wrong well, let's go through some of those comments in an op-ed in the atlantic during trump's 2016 campaign, bands called trumpy opioid of the masses he, wrote trump's promises or the needle and america's collective vain and onto the jump is cultural heroin he makes some feel better for a bit, but he cannot fix what aos them. and one day, they'll realize it unquote. well, cnn's kfile uncovered tweets or bans in 2016 disparaging trump. they have have since been deleted. but in one, he says, quote, trump makes people i care about, afraid. immigrants muslims, et cetera. i find him reprehensible. god wants better for us now the day of the access hollywood tape bans called on his fellow christians, writing quote, everyone is watching us and we apologize for this man, lord help us they're earlier that

year, he even wrote that he hopes he would be remembered as someone who fought trump, quote, the most aggressively and i cannot stand trump because i think he's a fraud. well, i think he's a total fraud that is exploiting these who is a total fraud i agree with you on trump because i don't think that he's the person. >> i don't think he actually cares about folks and i think that i'm going to vote for, i'm going to vote third party because i can't stay they'll make trump. i think that he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place well, if diana washington one saying what a difference a day makes 24 hours, what a difference, eight years certainly has made the about face was never more evident than just even two years ago when vance is law school roommate posted a screenshot of a message that vance sent him february of 2016. >> and in it, vance rights i go back and forth between thinking trump is cynical, like nixon

wouldn't be that bad, or then he's america's hitler his words, not mine. joining me now is governor john said he officially nominated jd vance, the republican national convention, and he's here now. thank you for joining us. what a day you did not know this was going to happen. you were here, you were attending what do you think about the fact that he now will be the running mate of donald trump. >> i'm excited about jd is son of ohio. he grew up humbly, has worked hard as whole life, really talented guy and now he's going to be donald trump's wing man. and ohio's proud to have him there there's been an evolution. many people wondered what the criteria would be for how trump would choose his running mate and to giannis jd vance was not always a fan of donald trump. in fact, he had in the past have called him it cultural heroin reprehensible said that god wants something better for america and now he has the running mate, you and i are

speaking a little bit about some of the evolutions that have occurred did surprise you that he was a child no, because over time, i've seen jd really reflect on his humble beginnings and the hardworking people where he grew up. and he's like, you know, they like downtown for a reason. they think he's fighting for them. he is fighting for an agenda that's made in america that's securing the borders is protecting working families in those communities. and i think he realized that, hey, that's where my constituents are and that's where i've got to be ohio is going to be one of those tapes. everyone's going to be watching. i'm from the midwest as well. i'm from the better state of minnesota, but i won't hold that against you right now. but if that but i do wonder from the perspective of ohioans the idea that oftentimes inside the beltway gets the most attention, right? you places like new york, places like washington, dc what is it about ohio voters in particular? but you think there's going to be even more drawn maybe to a trump ticket knowing that vance is on it. yeah. they will i think donald

trump was already going to win ohio by double-digits. i think that number goes up, which is really important for our senate race, because we have bernie moreno on the republican side running for that senate seat. and i think it's really going to help him. that's probably the big factor in ohio that this nomination did today. i think it really helps bernie moreno win the sentence you know, one of the concerns of course, for everyone in the electorate is they do not want to have a repeat of something that is anything less than a peaceful transfer of power. >> and january 6 is still in the minds of so many people. at one point, senator vance said he would not have certified the election. you yourself have talked about in a post ones that the constitutional peaceful transfer of power is what makes america special what's happening right now, referring to the capitol that day is a sad day for america. what do you make of the fact that senator vance was not willing to certify would may not have voted look, we don't have to agree on every single

thing. i think senator vance made some really good points and the guy makes 1 really good points. but we're looking forward. ai i hope for america that what happened on saturday is going to be a little bit of a turning point for us. i sense that, i sense that in donald trump, i sense that and listening to the people there to convention, that they're really, they want to fight. they do want to fight for what they believe in and what they're against. but they think they're struggling to find the language to do that in a more perhaps constructive way. but i think that that's happening. i hope that i hope that worldview holds. that we find a way to air our differences without using language that incites something more severe. that we should never resort to violence, that we should look for. look to elections and been smarter than the other person and outwitting them and having better ideas as the currency of how we motivate people. >> you're looking forward. and i think every strategist frankly, the voters want to do

the same. and yet there was the post right after that. what could have been a fateful day in america. it's still very much its know that there was grave danger posed to a former president united states. and i keep talking about how often we've heard in this country about where were you when and no one wants to have that happen but then there were suppose that senator vance posted about the rhetoric he believed directly led to the assassination attempt. and i was taken aback. were you it was pointed but there's some truth in it. there's some truth in the fact that no president presidential candidate has been attacked more than donald trump. i get it. some people say he asks for it but you want to know something never stops through the courts, through the media through the democrats and their, and their advocates are attacking him personally. joe biden used the language of putting a target on donald trump. that language is also

out of bounds and look, i'm going to be a guy who's going to say, let's try to find some language that's aggressive in fighting for what we we believe in. but let's not go over the top with it. there's no doubt that language describing donald trump in the past has been over the top. and we've even seen it in the last two days. however, it's incumbent upon leaders, the media, people one political life, to try to find a language that is clear about what we believe in what we're fighting for, what we're against. but not over the top, personal attacks that would lead some lone ranger out there to want to tried to take justice in their own hands. >> and that goes for both sides. >> it goes it goes for the media and goes for the political parties. >> we all have a role in this as voices to the american public. >> while they're looking ahead, looking to a brighter future, certainly thought so great to have you on. thank you so much for joining me. great to be with you well, jd vance is announcements day followed aid often a very public can we call it an audition process

from multiple candidates, many of whom came out today to publicly applaud from choice, not that's with my panel right now. >> and we're also joined by marc caputo. he's a national political reporter for the bulwark. all right. there were a lot of people auditioning for this role. you know, i wonder how evil were sort of smiling through irritation and frustration. but if the tone is to change toward unity and you have that senator jd vance tweets what does it say about the choice well, it says about the choices that it's about a unity, right? >> you're going to talk about all we need, all come together, and we need to unite as a country. but at this same time, you're going to have your attack dog who goes out there and tears apart the other people who don't get in line that's the point. that's the purpose of jd vance. and on the day of the assassination attempt jd vance went right into that role even before he was picked. he just went right out there. he started attacking the media. he started attacking democrats. congressman end. he also started attacking joe biden he was basically

auditioning ahead of time saying, look trump, this is what i'm going to do. >> gashing the others couple of mouth did not have that can burgum took a different tone rubio, investment job. did that and baden get tried to say how bizarre? i mean, again, showing my age here, i've covered many, many, many, many many, many presidential do still, right. a lot of money you have know, but i've never seen a un auditioning process like this. where the folks who were interested in becoming vice president were so public about it, and they wanted it was the apprentice. it really dragged it out because he loves the arts cities, and he really didn't know until the last minute because we were in contact with the aids and they would say, okay, he's down to two or three. it's bergam, it's rubio, it's jd i had an idea that it was gonna be jd. what pushed it over. i mean, maybe it was the brush with death because i think there was a moment where he really did not use a scarcer hand over the

maga mantle to someone who is younger. he didn't want to hand over what he created at first and then i think there were a lot of lobbying by his son, donald trump junior, lot of buck kissing from jd vance or tucker carlson making a lot of phone calls, a law murdoch saying basically he wanted anyone but jd vance, which does not help in trump world because trump does not he's not happy with rupert murdoch and i think eventually, i mean, perhaps he was thinking about his legacy for once, which is not something that's donald trump typically thinks about. and it just, i mean, i think he was always going to go with jd vance, but maybe this pushed it along exactly. >> one of the things no, no, no, no. >> i was just going to say when you face your own mortality holiday, maybe then you realize that, you know, even if you, win, you're only going to be present in for four more years. and then you have to pass the menthol to somebody else, but has the other thing vp picks are about making the president feel comfortable, it's not necessarily making the general electorate feel comfortable. there aren't very many swing voters this evening gone. well,

you know, i wasn't thanking a voting for donald trump before but for now, but i read though. i mean, i mean, most folks at this point don't believe that donald trump is too well to be president. >> that may be the case on the democratic side, which is why the vp person there, kamala harris, is so important. but on the republican side, i just don't see it the same way. i think harry an interesting point is jd vance was a venture capitalist before this also a success, successful writer. >> he excelled in getting older powerful men to give him money to give him money is power and out of all of the people who are auditioning in this apprentice, i'd like to call the bachelor. i'm upset. no one got arose. ai there's no rose ceremony, but he was auditioning the entire time and one of the interesting things that trump was saying and says to jd vance as he loves his beautiful blue eyes, like literally jd vance was able to

entranced president trump or former president trump and gotten to pecker's to tell you a joke about princes ai as wants anyway they weren't blue. you couldn't look and right? there was a whole skit about maybe i'm dating myself here. >> was your a moment though when they were together in the box where you can see like a young donald trump and jd vance. >> i mean, they seem to have there were blowing out. he likes to grow out. what guides right into harry's point about the legacy and what have you if rubio had been chosen and marco rubio probably better than than anybody or if had bergen been chosen would have that been really the heir apparent for the maga movement? jd vance is clearly the heir apparent to the possible that i mean, you talk marco rubio is only when it when don't you remember a trump who did not forgive those who would say negative things about them? are we that far away? >> just like grubhub? yes. that's got a grob. >> he embarrassed. he also. >> has embarrassed people in the past who has lingered, put a carrot out there, knowing

they will be no yeah i'm burt he? >> loves. a good cop or more than anything else. he loves of the convert and you know, i just think about a young donald trump were dealing with two guys who were in that box night tonight new york times bestsellers. he's immediate die as much in some ways as donald trump is, right? yes, there are some ways in which he difference from donald trump put balkam understand media and i think donald trump might have seen a lot of jd vance himself katie came a long way because let's just think back to the senate primary in ohio. it's six weeks to convince trump to endorse i'm in the primary. he was down he was like 6 million down fundraising. the polls. >> and third, in the polls, third of the polls, he needed trump's endorsement and in the end, donald trump junior was really on i'm tucker carlson, the whole maga crew, and they convinced him and he was reluctant to do it because it past comments make up what jd vance so it's able to accomplish in two years to get him to have this complete about-face and essentially pick

someone that he knew. >> the right of it would say this man called him american hitler, right? oh how about the age? and i were talking about so he is now going to be the youngest, i think vice presidential picks his wife first. >> one is the third, the third youngest ever at this point in time, the contract. >> it's a contrast but, you know, younger and i look today, it was 18 years ago today that twitter even lawn. so a lot of people who are wondering who the very first time in twitter in now vote, right 18 here's later, people go up in a social media era. they're picking out different things like this rule would attract younger voters know. >> now, gone now, it but it's not about that though. it's you're on attracting voters in that rust belt or into some of these other states that are now expanding, whether that be you know, new mexico, as you noted, georgia maybe off to off the board, maybe north carolina is not the democrats, at least at this point in time but are we going to see him in that rust belt? we're going to see him in pennsylvania all the time. is his role as you note to be

the attack dog and to try to win the rust belt. and if that's the case and trump world, i'll just say i am skeptical of that insofar as jd vance she did worsen ohio in 2022, which was a better republican year, than donald trump did in 2020. he was underwhelming compared to the gubernatorial candidate who is running yesterday the governor the governor there, mike dewine, and he was underwhelming compared to the average house candidate. this in my mind was not a picked that really was looking at electoral implications. it was a pick that made donald trump comfortable. >> that's true. however, let's face it out of the four people you got camila harris, you've got joe biden, you got president trump, former president trump. you have jd vance out of the four of them. who's going to be best to talk in the rust belt, who's going to be best? talking about issues of the white working class and the white intellectual conservative class. it's jd vance and that's what trump is interested in maximizing the trump campaign likes to talk about, oh, we're going to get black voters oh, we're going to get at historic share of

hispanic voters maybe that's true. but in the end, the bread and butter of a republican ticket as white voters, jd vance speaks to white voters. >> well, we'll have to see what will come of asked and of course is one thing about punching two ones, wire. and then trying to convert everyone standby. we've got more breaking news tonight to discuss as well that does happen. probably judge aileen cannon throughout trump's federal classified documents case, the justice department is on the same to appeal. we'll talk about why they should. and what comes next? next guy to colleges i'm embarrassed to say this. >> we use deodorant on our armpits and we kinda make women feel bad about body odor that they get on other parts of our body. that's why i created lumi whole body deodorant for pits, privates and beyond. it's clinically proven to block odor all day controls over for 72 hours soap can't do that since you're pits and privates go everywhere you go, keep them competently fresher

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judge aileen cannon dismissing the class but documents case against the former president. now, why? well, because according to the judge, the appointment of special counsel jack smith violates the constitution. she wrote every part, quote, in the end, it seems executives growing comfort and appointing regulatory special counsels. and the more recent era has filed an ad hoc okay. pattern with little judicial scrutiny. translation. she thinks that they should not have been able to appoint him for that confirmation or otherwise, but the justice department isn't going down without a fight, issuing a statement today saying, quote, the dismissal of the case deviates from the uniform conclusion of all previous courts to have considered the issue that the attorney general is secretory authorized to a appoint a special counsel. just department has authorized special counsel to appeal the court's order for more. i want to bring in former nixon white house counsel and cnn contributor john dean on with former us attorney harry

litman, glad to have both of you guys as here, john lee begin with you because this was such a significant moment of all the ways a judge could put their thumb on the scale, whether it's why-dear, including evidence for in witnesses and beyond. this was the ultimate and when you look at what happened leading up to the ruling today, john, are you surprised that she the ultimately decided to dismiss this case not at all. >> she she seems to have gotten the telegraph in the concurring opinion of justice thomas to raised issues that she indeed picked up and carried a distance, not not even he could carry in question in the constitutionality of the appointment process under the appointments clause and also, as you mentioned, the appropriations clause it's really a reach. it was a hail mary pass by the trump team i think the only person in the world who could have caught it and plucked it out of the air. was aileen cannon and she did.

and i think it's going to be reversed well, you mentioned justice clarence thomas and there was that recent immunity hey, decision supreme court, and justice thomas wrote in a footnote where frankly we find a lawyer is a lot of the juiciest part that there are quote, serious questions whether the the attorney general has violated that structure by creating an office of the special counsel that is not established by law. >> i mean, clearly these convoys, as you say, weighed heavy on john so to cannon's decision. i want to bring you into this as well, harry, because look, the doj and a special counsel appointment is intended very much part to enjoy that there is not the accusation that it's being politicized. it's not be somebody who serves the pleasure of the president overseeing a matter that it goes to somebody with an independent authority to do something. now, this decision suggests that that is not what should happen. what did you make of it you know look as a

as a legal decision by district court judge is simply indefensible, as john says, she had telegraphed it several times, but it almost doesn't make sense to try to talk about it in legal terms. >> this is, as i said, the first project, 2025 opinion, the principle is only lawyer lt. to trump, but you make a very important point now, laura, because the doj is committed to this notion of no appearance of conflict when they're prosecuting trump something they could easily do. it's been suggested already is they just assign somebody else to file the case and then there's no problem well, i'm accept that merrick garland and the doj want to keep this looking impartial, and that's why you have an appeal and appeal. so quickly, but however quickly it is. i think she he's done full service to trump because the 11th circuit, i doubt has time to reverse this before the election. the state of play for now is it's been reversed. she's sees that

check is now paid in full on her part right. the very best she could have done for him, the 11th circuit auto reverse it unless of course trump becomes president, in which case they'll just say goodbye and order doj to stand down well, just to be clear, not the 11th circuit, but the idea of this being a federal case, it would not be likely to be a federal proceed any longer. if of course i'll trump becomes the president. united states, is it bring you back in here, john mean there's still this case the special counsel's case against trump, and it's also in the interference in 2020 election. and i do wonder if this ruling may for wondering, does this ruling today have a domino effect? on the other matter at the federal level for him i don't think so the dc circuit where the january 6 case is proceeding, are who has been remanded by the supreme

court after their immunity decision, to determine if he indeed has any immunity or not and what is evidentiary material that can be used or not used? >> before judge chutkan? i i don't think that she is going to return to the subject even though trump will probably issue new motions based on the florida ruling, the somehow or based on thomas's really during the immunity case where he addressed the powers and authority of the special counsel they'll they'll do anything to stretch this out. so i wouldn't be surprised if motion was there. i'd be very surprised. if judge chutkan entertained it or if it went anywhere you know, harry, i'm this case as you've mentioned, there will be an appeal what does that look like here? >> what are the odds of being able to raise this issue in a way that could move the needle back towards having a prosecution. i mean, this 11

circuit in the past has been critical of judge aileen cannon that had duke special master overseeing die humans the fbi probe and they found it just unbelievable that she would try to insert herself into a criminal investigation, but loves it now, would have a very different role what? >> the chances of this appeal being successful are as long as trump isn't president, in which case he'll make the appeal shut down. >> the chances are very high as the doj said fraud, laura, every single court to consider this case has gotten on the other way, it's especially outrageous for a district court to take it upon herself to do it. so i think it will be recused, be reversed. the question is, will they then recuse her that's a bigger threat, but yeah. with the preamble, did you stocked about in the search case, i think they have more than and enough predicate. and she's just a sort of blackeye. now in that district and that i think they will want to bouncer if they

can. again, we're talking february, march, a time when if we have a new second trump regime, all of this is all, all bets are off. they'll just tell the doj to close down shop well, there already was that slim notion of who it could be in that particular district and wasn't not i'm a whole lot of judges there and choose from, i do wonder really quickly, harry, i do wonder if they could try to re-bring this case in another jurisdiction knowing that some of the classified documents can you reportedly found elsewhere other than florida the short answer is yes, they were worried about venue before, but i think they have a real shot if they wanted to and bringing it in dc still with a special counsel. now that's what the doj will want john dean, harry litman, a pleasure to talk to you both. >> thank you for joining me tonight up next, we'll have the very latest on this investigation into an assassination attempt against

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