co-defendants were found guilty of there are still four more accounts to go so but a lot of these cows do carry maximum terms of imprisonment of up to 20 years. that will be up to the judge ultimately, this count that we've been waiting for we're conspiracy of a public official acting as a foreign agent for the government of egypt. the jury says that the senator is guilty of that charge as well, and acting as both thing the conspiracy count and the substance and count count 16, acting as a as a public official, acting as a foreign agent, the jury found senator bob menendez guilty of that. that was the actions that the senator took while he was chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, count 17, conspiracy to obstruct justice. that was actually charged with interfering in this investigation. menendez was accused of having his lawyers tried to mislead the prosecutors in a pre indictment meeting, found guilty of that charge, and then also count 18, the last one obstruction of justice. the senator was found guilty. so both senator bob

menendez and his co defendants were found guilty across the board in all of these charges that will be waiting for this senator to leave the courtroom. he usually walks out on his own, even without his attorneys and often speaks to the cameras behind me, waiting for the senator to make his way out. it will be a few things left that the judge will do, including sentencing, set a sentencing date, but we'll be standing by to hear what the senator have to say every has been found guilty on all these charges, charges, dana okay. >> kara? >> absolutely. >> extraordinary that we have this united states senator senior senator who has a lot has had a lot of power. now, being found guilty, as you said, on 18 counts of corruption using that position that he has elected by the people of new jersey according to this jury, to sell his office to foreign powers and also to corrupt business people. really remarkable. brianna keeler is going to pick up our coverage now stay with

us cnn breaking news we are following this breaking news in the federal corruption trial involving senator bob menendez. >> the verdict coming in right now, we now understand he has been found guilty on all 16 federal charges. he has he been facing charges? bribery, fraud, acting as a foreign agent, and obstruction so that is something i just want to let my team no, i'm not getting mix-minus. so if we can fix that, otherwise as i'm just going to hear myself as i report out this news but this is a trial that has been going on for weeks. and the jury now after deliberating for a couple of days coming to this conclusion, which has really a bombshell he had been facing 16 federal charges and he has been found guilty on all of them with us now we have former us attorney harry litman. harry, what's your reaction to this

you know, what is a bombshell, but you could see the bomb falling from the sky for several weeks after so long a trial this is a very short deliberation. >> they were obviously completely persuaded this is going to go down as the trial involving the gold bars, they found nearly half 1 $1 million in cash stuffed in the senator's closet and big gold bars. they had the one of the people who actually bribed him testify the evidence was really overwhelming, and then we added to it the obstruction counts. he's been found guilty of everything. it's as sort of severe a judgment and a you have to think coda to a long career in public service as one can imagine, but it was really seen very, very strong as the evidence was coming in. and in that sense, it's not a surprise all right.

>> so harry, as you mentioned, obviously this is something that he gained a lot of notoriety for because as you had official searching his home, they were finding hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash stuffed in closets, stuffed in jackets. there were gold bars but let's just talk about what he is now standing convicted of using his influence in many different considerable ways to the benefit of the government of qatar, of egypt, trying to influence, you criminal prosecutions for instance, these are serious charges for someone who was the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. it's really stunning that's right. >> and that really is the distinctive feature of this case in many ways, it's a crass bribery case. give me a mercedes benz cash stuffed in

pockets. but as the chair of the senate foreign relations that he is basically doubled dealing which is to say compromising the national interests of the united states for his own personal interests. there's no other way really to look at it. and what it means is he intervenes for people, including two try to quash criminal prosecutions in a way that is not simply sort of pride i've been lee vino, but publicly compromising of really grave and in his case, sort of signature duties that he's worked his way up to. that's what's really going to go down here. and in sort second sentence of it all this feature really it's almost a soft version of giving away secrets, right he's actually serving other countries in paris rather from his very, very high perch

that, that's a damning fact. in addition, of course, to the lurid evidence that as you say big gold bars, what are you going to do? >> yeah, look at in the question. in the case of egypt, i should say, there were allegations that he had used his influence to give them information about us interests in the country. so very much working and has continued to raise questions as he stepped aside, obviously from that position on the senate foreign relations committee and he but as he continued to be a senator this now what he is convicted of doing, putting us national security interests at risk you know that's right. and it will occasion a sort of broader inquiry right now. they focused on proving the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. but, you

know, senator menendez has been not the first time he's been in the crosshairs of the federal government and in fact, are there any they're ways where potentially lay the us interests were compromised? now, look, this is this wasn't about selling nuclear secrets, it was about favoring commercial interests nevertheless, it's such a rank and down the middle betrayal of what he's supposed to be. and we have had well, this this case is very interesting because it can joins the sort of down and know most down and dirty sort of new jersey bribery with also theft of honest services. >> that's highfalutin way of saying he cheated the people of the right to the honest guy government. they were able to expect and should have expected also obstruction. it's, as you say, 16 different counts. it's a really long and damning

sheet, but this particular international feature is really a kind of a cutting-edge feature. and that's what will i think really kind of the department of justice really red, really made motivated them to go pedal to the metal. now as you i think no, his wife was a co-defendant here and he tried and few ways faiz, to sort of say it was all heard doing the gold bars, et cetera. she now because it appears personal illness, her trial has been indefinitely postpone. this really is the sort of culmination of this very long serious investigation. >> yeah, certainly is with huge waves reaching all the way up to capitol hill. i'm harry, if you could stand by for me, i want to bring in kara scannell, are seeing and then correspondent who is outside of court and has been following this trial. she's joining us now kara, tell us about this

moment that we are out and also about some of the most surprising things, perhaps that came out during this trial i mean, brianna, this isn't a tenth week of this trial. >> this jury has been here for most of the early part of the summer. they took about 13 hours to deliberate, not asking very many questions as they were working through the total 18 count 16 it's related to senator menendez when they came into the courtroom, my colleague inside said that when they first went through the first count that was found guilty the senator had had shaken his head side to side as if to say no. and then has been sitting with his hands clasped in front of him with his face resting on those hands as you just watched, the jury be excused? then leave the courtroom for the next thing that will happen here will be the judge will set his sentencing date, but certainly a dramatic fall for the senator. you'll remember that in 2017 he was previously on trial for bribery and corruption involving different alleged schemes. there was a mistrial in that case. the jury

couldn't reach a verdict. the judge had actually we did the senator some of the charges and the prosecution did not agree, bring the trials. so senator menendez had gotten a lifeline then, so to speak, and then according the prosecutors and what the jury just found is that this alleged scheme, this new bribery scheme began soon after that in this involved we heard testimony during this trial trial involving a former us, a da official, who said that he received a call from the senator wanting him to interfere and to stop interfering in the monopoly that had been given to one of the co-defendants in this case involving the certification of palal meat to egypt. we also heard testing somebody that the senator had given is part of this foreign agent charge that he had helped the government of egypt by while he was senate foreign relations chairman, that some of the steps here it's taken then was he had ghost written a letter for the egyptians to use with other senators to try to lobby them

to come over to free up aid prosecutors so said that they approved military aid at a record pace thanks to senator menendez. they also say that menendez had given the egyptians a heads up on some questions shins that they were going to be asked by other senators involving the murder of jamal khashoggi. so these are things that the prosecution said was just not the senator acting as a diplomat or as a congressman, but that he was actually acting as an agent for the government of egypt then of course, the jury saw the gold bars that the senator was paid in bribes and they actually were able to hold those guards early in the trial several weeks ago, part of just the collection of bribes that the jury has now found that the senator had received, including a half $1 million in cash that the fbi found in the home that he shares with his wife, some of that cash had the senators fingerprints on it. they also were found stuffed in envelopes in pockets of jackets that bore his name menendez's team tried to say that this was his

wife's doing his wife, nadine menendez is also charged in this case, but she will go to trial at some point in the future for cheap. she was severed from this case because she's undergoing treatment for breast cancer. >> but this was a massive conspiracy, massive corruption that prosecutors alleged here and there were all these details that came out for the jury great to digest, but this was a long trial there. >> this is the tenth week. the jury is deliberating about 13 hours, but came back decisively across the board with finding the senator guilty see, on all counts related to these multiple schemes, big win for the prosecution and we one thing that both of them had argued during their closing arguments, which in and of itself were very the long as the prosecution and menendez, his lawyer said that this was an important case. and a case that meant a lot to every party involved. there was a lot at stake for the prosecution bringing bribery case against a sitting us senator, the senior senator from new jersey, but also obviously a lot at stake for senator menendez who could face as much as 20 years in prison then when the judge

center says him in a couple of months from now, brianna yeah. >> his age that is some kind of sentence perhaps here, kara, i wonder, kara, i think one of the most stunning thing because as you mentioned, in 2017, he was facing bribery and corruption charges and the jury not being able to reach a verdict. the idea that being given a lifeline, he turned around and began on this other path. that his brought him to where he is today, 16 charges that he is being held responsible for. i think a lot of people are surprised that he didn't take that as a sign to get his head house in order yeah, it is surprising. >> i mean, when you look at the timeline of the allegations that were charged in this case, they pick up they began right after there he was he got off on that previous bribery charge. know, in the bribery space, there also has been a

number of rulings from the supreme court that has made it tougher so for prosecutors to win prosecutions, they need to prove more in order to prove a bribery cases. and based on this new hurdle that the jury was able to find that menendez was guilty. so prosecutors were able to prove this case, even at a higher level of proof than what they needed to prove a, you know, back in menendez is first trial and even before that certainly prosecution felt that they had a strong case that they had maps and not evidenced in this case their case while they did have one cooperating witness, he really was it's a narrow cooperator. he could talk about one of these bribery schemes, but the rest of this case was built on phone call, log messages, text messages but a lot of it was circumstantial, so it was the persuasion part of this was just all of the details of all of the information and the timeline of events seeing that calls for made and then actions were taken that help the prosecution prevail in this case. but it is fascinating that the senator had gotten

through an initial bribery case but then continued to rise and become chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. and then according to this jury than abused that position in order to enrich himself and his wife even further we're still waiting for the senator to leave the court house. it is expected that he will speak to the cameras. he has generally made comments every day, so it would be surprising if he if he doesn't know and he's not automatic thrown out as a senator, there's not an automatic mechanism for that even with a conviction on federal charges. so it will be up to congress and his fellow senators to decide if they're going to try to remove him or remove him from the committee. he did have that. we did have to step down as chairman but what his fate is until there is that next election in new jersey, ground no yeah, certainly. >> care if you can stand by for us, obviously, as we're following this breaking news, we may be coming back to you, senator bob menendez found guilty he of all 16 counts,

that he was facing in his federal corruption trial. >> i want to go to capitol hill now for some reaction from cnn's lauren fox, he'd been facing among the 16 federal charges, lauren bribery, fraud, acting as a foreign agent and obstruction. and i think one of the things and you're not on capitol hill, you're here in our washington bureau, but i think one of the things that kept raising questions i know you were asking about it and so many journalists were is that he continued to have access during this time period to classified information to classified briefings. he had stepped aside i'd was supposed to be temporarily as the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, but he was still technically on the committee and able to access sensitive information yeah, the backlash even from some of his colleagues to brianna was swift when he was charged last fall, there were more than 30 democrats who were calling for him to resign his seat in the senate and repeatedly, our

colleagues had been pressing majority leader chuck schumer as to why the senator was the allowed to continue receiving classified briefings and schumer had repeatedly said that it was really up to menendez to decide whether it was appropriate or not for him to be attending those meetings. >> i would also just point out that right now, we are waiting to see what decision menendez wants to make about his senate seat. does he choose to resign this seat? he continue wanting to serve and if that is the case, what are the next steps? what are the options for senate leadership if they wanted to push this issue? one of the options is they could try to expel him again, we don't have any sense that that is the plan that they want to take right now. this is all breaking news. it's coming in very quickly, but it's just a good reminder brand that there is recourse that leadership would have if they wanted to force this issue. a lot of senators who were not calling him on him to resign last fall said that they wanted to give him an opportunity in court. now,

obviously, given the fact that he has now been found guilty, beyond these counts, that gives you a sense that perhaps democrats may be willing to more forcefully come out those who didn't last fall to say that he should step aside. but again, brianna, we are waiting, we are standing by as to what democratic leadership says plans are and what senator menendez is plans are when it comes to his senate seat and his ability to serve in that chamber, brianna, i mean, lauren, he is obviously someone who has decided that he does not want to go anywhere. he has resisted of calls to resign, and it wouldn't be uncharacteristic for him to continue to do that as he may be continues with an appeals process here can you just talk a little bit more about the political headache that, that creates for democrats. how does that look? if they don't move to expel him from the chamber yeah. >> i mean, i think that this is going to be a question that leadership really has to answer

for themselves. what is the process that they want moving forward if senator menendez decided that he did not want to resign again, we just don't know right now, brianna dana, what his plans are, what leadership's plans are, but we are reaching out to sources trying to get additional information because this is a very quickly evolving situation and obviously politically going into the november election, democratic leader is do not want their members to be facing questions about why they are still still working with a colleague who has now been found guilty of such serious charges. brianna incredibly serious. >> so senator who has arguably a risk to national security even as he still has access to classified information about some of the things most important to us national security. lauren standby for us. i want to bring harry but men back in to talk a little bit about that. he is based on what this jury found a risk to

national security, harry, and we now understand that sentencing is going to be october 29, so not that far around the corner here give us a sense of what you would expect with the range of possibilities are on that okay. >> well, you heard the figure of 20 years bandied about, but that's what the sort statute is. what will determine it for the judge who has sit here too pretty tough sentencer is the guidelines and even those will be will subject to whatever the judge decides. but i think we're looking at guidelines of something like we can do the calculations quickly, but maybe 42 months, but it is everything we've been talking about in the last 15 minutes now, figures in to the sentencing that this is not just a simple bribery, but an actual malfeasance and a betrayal. this point, by the way, this is

really the cutting-edge legal point that he was found to be, as a sitting senator foreign agent now, who should have registered as a foreign agent, that is stunning. so the judge will have plenty of material to really basically chastise him and say, look, it's more than just enriching yourself. you did it at the expense. of the us national interest. so it's a bit of a of a new cutting edge kind of charge. but i think it really cuts badly against them. of course he is a 70-year-old man and he will have parts, possible appeals but he's looking it seems to me at least at a few years and hard time. >> yeah. no, that's serious business, especially for someone who is 70. i do want to go back to lauren fox as you are getting some very important our reaction there on the

senate side warn, what can you tell us? >> yeah, we are now hearing officially from the senate majority leader, chuck schumer, that he is now calling on site senator bob menendez to resign his senate seat. and i want to read his brief statement in full. it says, quote, in light of this guilty verdict, senator menendez muscle. now do what is right for his constituents. the senate, and our country. and resign and we should know that just a couple of weeks ago, you know, senator chuck schumer had continued to be asked about senator menendez is placed in the united states senate. has additional receiving of those classified briefings that we were talking about a few minutes ago. and schumer had said repeatedly that he was disappointed, but he had stopped short of calling on senator menendez to resign. so this obviously a very significant development, brianna in the meantime war and what can be done and what could have been done before. >> could he be stripped of his committee assignments? is there a way to essentially news? tutor him from having any access to this sensitive

information well, leadership could certainly strip him of physicians on committees. >> i mean, as united states senator, he still has classified status and can still receive classified briefings. i would point out that the other place of recourse if senator menendez that's chose not to resign, is there could be a vote to expel him that would take two-thirds of the senate. but it is just important to point out that right now, we do not know what senator menendez plans are, and therefore, it's hard to predict what recourse senate leadership has. of course, getting this new information now that senator menendez is asking for him to resign brianna? yeah that is a that is a big one. >> there are at lauren fox. thank you so much. let's go back to kara scannell outside of the courthouse there new york kara where does senator menendez now has he left the courtroom? what can you tell us around fetterman is still inside at the courthouse of

waiting for him to leave, but we're also waiting for the us attorney for the southern district of new york, damian williams, to address the reporters. >> he doesn't normally give in public statements like this, particularly outside right after a verdict. so this is going to be very interesting and telling of what he says. this is an important case for the office an important case, one of their themes is rooting out public corruption. so we're waiting for him to come out and address reporters and the cameras. i'm told that will happen in the next it's five minutes or so but it can see some of his staff there assembling, but he's not yet out there at the podium to say what the message of this this conviction is. one thing that this office has spent a lot of time doing is bringing public corruption cases, doing a lot of investigations in this space and notably this is a democratically appointed a president biden appointed us attorney who brought the case against democratic senator bob menendez. this office would like to you know, it's self identifies as the sovereign

district as an office that does things independently and on its own, that's another thing we might hear underscored again, tim this office is also investigating a number of other high-profile cases. they do have that investigation to the new york city mayor, eric adams of although that is still well just in the investigation stage. but waiting for the us attorney to come out and speak to reporters and to say what the importance of this prosecution is. you know again, it's rare for him to come out and give these types of public statements, specially outside of a courthouse. you don't see that very often, so it we'll be listening closely to what message he has, brianna. >> yeah. i just want to recap kara for viewers who may just be joining us. this is our breaking news that new jersey senator bob menendez, of course, a democrat, has been found guilty of all 16 counts in this federal corruption trial against him. that includes counts of bribery fraud, of acting as a foreign agent, and obstruction. this was a trial that took several

weeks and actually let's listen in now, if we can to senator monday and does this is this is not live. this is tape was we do await senator menendez, but he was convicted of all 16 counts. and i think kara, one of the most stunning things is this was the sr new jersey democratic senator, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. any senator obviously has such an important role but senator bob menendez's role has been huge and he abused it. and the cost of his loyalty to his country. the cost of his patriotism. you know, a few hundred thousand dollars in cash, some of which is you had reported had his fingerprints on it gold bars a car a no-show job for his wife, nadine, who is still awaiting her fate. in this this was

ultimately the payoff that he is finally facing justice for yeah. >> brianna, that's right. i mean, the amount of evidence in effect, him into this case showing the steps that the senator had taken, particularly when he was chairman and on the senate foreign relations it's committee mean that is the part that seemed the most offensive to the prosecution that he had betrayed his trust to the american public in order to benefit and enrich him. him and his wife personally mean some of the things that the prosecution laid out before the jury that the senator did with telling the egyptians through intermediaries the number for of staff's at the us embassy in cairo, that was something that prosecutors highlighted as something that was incredibly sensitive and that could allow the egyptians to track not only the staff of the embassy, but anyone else who was working through the embassy because that was something that they underscore to the jury was a

trail other things, giving the egyptians a heads up about questions, pointed questions they would receive about the murder of the former the washington post journalist jamal khashoggi. he gave them a heads up in advance another thing he grows wrote a letter for the egyptians to use to lobby fellow well us senators to try to get them comfortable with egypt about human rights abuses to speed along the signing off of a military aid egypt. so those were some of the abuses that prosecutors underscored during the trial, and some of the things that they felt were the most egregious, the most offensive that senator was willing to betray his country. and that is why they charged him as acting as a foreign agent for the government of egypt. i mean, this also shows that the jury soundly rejected menendez has arguments that these meetings were routine. i mean, another moment from this trial was menendez at the morton's steakhouse in washington, dc, sitting with egyptian officials and his wife, nadine menendez, according to an fbi agent who

told him i'd in this case, had said to them, what else can my love do for you a sense that there was a transactional relationship between the senator and top military and intelligence officials, spies from egypt and that is what the prosecution had really homed in on as well as the other alleged bribes in this case interfering in the prosecution of some of his code if a co-defendant in the associates of another codefendant know all things that are very much offensive to the justice department prosecutors and something that this jury had found the senator was guilty of doing. brianna. >> i should say we did just get a two-minute warning to comments from prosecutors the southern district of new york. so we are awaiting that. but while we do, kara in my apologies, if i have to interrupt you, is is that begins what was it ultimately that sealed the fate of senator menendez? what was it that allowed investigators to zero

in on him and snag it we don't have a lot of insight into what their initial tip ops we're into this investigation. >> we do know that when they were at that martin steakhouse, they were there for something else and had come upon this conversation that the senator was having with the egyptian officials but ultimately, it was through additional legwork that they had gotten search warrants to search his home and homie shared with his wife in new jersey and it was there sure that they found these gold bars. they found the envelopes of cash that have been stuffed into jacket pockets with his name paid-in in one 90s, something thousand dollars was stashing up forever, 21 shopping bag in the closet. >> and those were all details that the prosecution had used to build their case where they were able to hold back the covers of what menendez was doing in order to receive that money. >> and that involves looking at the call records of seeing what who we was talking to and what actions he was taking

officially during those interactions and one of the men charged in this case initially agreed to cooperate and he was someone that testified at this trial his firsthand testimony, this alleged conspiracy, i think we're seeing the prosecutor start to walk up to the mic, so we should here very shortly from the us attorney for the southern district of new york he me and williams, who will be taking the podium to address the conviction in this case. i'm looking to see if he has walked out yet. i don't think he has he will be speaking to the cameras soon about this monumental prosecution of the sitting us senator and the former chairman of the senate foreign relations he's committee on these serious charges of acting as a foreign agent and using the power of his office that was a theme throughout this trial, that heat abused and sold the power his office to do things that were seemingly small, interfering, and a criminal prosecution to help out a friend. but that we're also so much more significant and more

of a betrayal of the trust that the constituents had put in him to act on their behalf and represent them in congress and not that of a foreign government, we're still waiting to see the doors opening if we're going to let the eu let's listen in care of them now beginning house convicted senator robert menendez of corruption and national security offenses. >> this case has always been about shocking levels of corruption. hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in the form of cash, gold bars, and mercedes fadi's bends. this wasn't politics as usual. this was politics for profit and now that a jury has convicted bob menendez, his years of selling his office in the highest bidder there have finally come to an end. i want to thank the career prosecutors and law enforcement agents and analysts who meticulously investigated and prosecuted this case their work is the reason why this shocking corruption is finally i've been on earth and brought to an end

they are the best of the best. i'm enormously proud of them and proud to serve with them thank you the maximum sentence, sir good afternoon. >> i'm kristie curtis on the acting assistant director of the fbi's new york field office. today is a day a victory a victory for justice. public corruption investigations like this hold our leaders accountable and ensure they serve the public what's interest and not there choice. they serve the public's interests and not their own. this conviction comes after careful investigation and hard work by the fbi irs, any us attorney's office the fbi its pursuit of truth and integrity was instrumental in securing this conviction. when it elected official betrays the trust placed in them, it undermines the foundation of our democracy. thank you my name is

sam manuel gomez, and i'm with irc. >> i remember estimations i my sister, especially in charge in the new york field office thank you. and good afternoon. thank you. to us attorney damian williams for hosting us today. it is a great commitment in collaboration can between irs agents, the fbi, and sdny that today's verdict was possible. i would like to recognize the work of the fbi public corruption you see squad, the sdny, public corruption unit trial attorneys and paralegals for the tremendous effort in presenting this case. and the sdny tax attorneys i will i want to specifically recognize the irs. see, special agent who worked this case in tandem with fbi special agents. today's verdict is a reflection of both so hard work, job, well done thank you, everyone. mr. williams, will you seek the maximum all right there you

heard from officials, from the fbi and as well, beginning there, the us attorney from the southern district of new york, damian williams, i want to bring harry litman back in to talk a little bit about this williams saying there harry, that this was about shocking levels of corruption. he wanted to be clear. this wasn't politics as usual. he said this was politics for profit, and he said that menendez is years of selling his office to the highest bidder has finally come to an end. we still obviously have to see what his political fate is in the senate, even as we see the top senate democrat saying that he needs to resign, but we're going to see what happens there. what do you think having heard this from the prosecution? >> excuse me, i'm a former us attorney and he was as us attorneys ought to be bland and on triumphant. but there was one word that jumped out at me

and that was the word finally, after years. so they're really i think was a sense. you knew it from people in the department of justice of a real sort of pride go with before fall, just after that first prosecution many years ago came on done he began this scheme of criminal conduct that ended today with the result. and i think williams is saying he's finally been caught really put a point and a sort of extra little to what would what was otherwise, just stay straight by the facts description of this case. so that to me really gave a little quiet flourish about the whole relationship of this very office to bob menendez, dating back a decade yeah. >> i mean, to your point, i wondered about that as well because he didn't say it explicitly, but it seemed that he was referring to something

more than just the years under which this particular conviction we shouldn't has to deal with. he of course, was facing back in 2017 bribery and corruption charges with the jury, didn't reach a verdict, did that seem an uncharacteristic that he referred back to that or does this feel in a way? for doj like a vindication that they weren't able to see that process to conclusion yes, luck us attorneys aren't supposed to be triumphant or go take things personally, but it's very clear and anyone who knows that office knew that it was a stinging defeat and they thought that in fact, it was an unjust one in the sense that he really had been a corrupt public official. >> and when he as your correspondents have said, took up on this charge, on this criminal conduct in the immediate aftermath people's

heads were spinning and i think it really redoubled their resolve to bring him to justice. and it was that little, almost a bread crumb thrown to his to the fbi and his folks who've worked on the menendez cases not just now, but for years, that that damian williams, a very solid professional by the book prosecutor, gave that extra important detail, yet and harry stay with me because i do want to talk with you about sentencing, but first, i want to read something that the new jersey governor has said he's responded to news here that senator bob menendez has been found guilty on all 16 of the counts that he was facing in his federal corruption trial. he said today's verdict, finding senator bob menendez guilty on those counts demonstrates the senator broke the law violated the trust of his constituents and betrayed his oath of office. it also shows that in america that everyone, no matter how powerful is accountable to our

laws, he says, senator menendez received a fair trial and due process of law as he was titled to under our constitution. and he goes on to thank the public servants. obviously who served in this case. he reiterated his call for menendez to resign immediately after being found guilty of endangering national security and the integrity of our criminal justice system. and he says, it if he refuses to vacate his office, i call on the us senate to vote to expel him back to sentencing which is october 29, shortly before the election here. what do you think is a reasonable and a just amount of time for senator menendez to serve for what he has been found guilty of so first of all, judge sam stein is actually known for not going so hard on white-collar defendants, but this is a special one. >> and by the way, this subtext

out just before the election, even the new jersey governor's comments, i think have to be taken as part of the broader what it said. it set of mistrust and for whether there's equal justice for all of different parties what i think i can tell you more about the process the probation office will repair a report. we you know, we've talked about has he had any other involvement? he may be called upon to have a blank page completely open anything else he's done in order to affect his sentencing, then we have the guidance fines calculations that i haven't completed yet, but i think they are in the 50 month range, but they'll just be preparatory. so i believe that in this case it's both just an unexpected that he'll have a real sentence. say two-and-a-half, three years. i

know that it will strike some people as short when you hear about 55 years or 85 years, or 20 years. but i think the real question is, will this 70-year-old disgraced public servant? do serious time in the federal penitentiary and i think the answer to that is yes, but otherwise the way the system is set up will be it'll be very much down to sam stein, i think you'll hear a recommendation from damian williams office for a pretty substantial sentence. and october 29, as you say, just a few days before the election, is when it will play out it's not quite it's hard to predict the exact numbers now yeah, we will talk more about whatever the length of that may be, what that time would look like and how quickly it might begin we'll talk about that ahead. we are waiting to see if senator menendez will be coming to the

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jersey, undeterred by the justice that has been served against him, where he's been found guilty of all 16 federal charges that he was facing. in what was really by all appearances from legal observers a pretty sound case against him. i want to bring harry litman back into the conversation. former us attorney. he said, harry, i have never violated my oath. i have never been a foreign agent. the evidence really seemed to indicate something different yeah, it did, but let me tell you where he's going. >> so the supreme court in a series of cases have really composed an elevated mental state on exactly these kinds of requirements. so he will argue, especially under this new fangled foreign agent, one that it really needed to be a very specific actual purpose to pay back or provide something concrete to the people of egypt

rather than just as he argued at trial, though he didn't testify himself some kind of vague confluence of events. the court the supreme court has been pretty starchy on just those sorts of requirements. but the us attorney's office knows that very well, and they have kind of carefully aided these charges around those previous rulings. so he'll certainly press it, but i i wouldn't give his odds very strong going forward. one quick point if the district court judge, on october 29th thinks he has a strong case, he will let him stay and at liberty during the appeal if he doesn't. senator menendez might have to bring his toothbrush to court because it will be the district court who can i don't think you've got a strong enough case senator menendez, we remand you immediately to the custody of the two to jail, so that the strength of his health, his

arguments on appeal will depend on whether he remains of liberty after october 29, bringing his toothbrush to court. you put it very starkly there. harry let's talk about i do want to talk a little bit about the politics of some of this on the hill. but before that, i want to ask you when we look at the sentencing and as you said, you thought an appropriate time is really a few years, right? two-and-a-half, three-and-a-hal f years. i think you said that that is something that seems to you may be appropriate for what he is facing here. what kind of time would this be? i mean, where would he serve? what kind of people would he be serving that time with so on the first point, i just want to say this is very loosey-goosey of me and we'll see what judge done once. >> but as to your second question, it's a completely separate inquiry. the bureau of prisons will make an initial

determination and someone who is a committed a heinous crime, but has nevertheless a well-behaved prisoner, not a security risk can either initially or work their way up to a fairly low security incarceration. so in other words, the seriousness of his crimes, all the things we're talking about today do not translate into a more secure kind of detention unless he himself is in danger. so i would expect him to be serving. his time at a relative low security federal penitentiary. >> explain that because you'd said judge stein tend to go easier on white collar criminals. but i think a lot of people look at what senator menendez has been convicted of and this doesn't quite seem to fit the bill of being a white collar criminal. this isn't saying insider trading scandal,

for instance, this is about something bigger. this is about trading information and favors against the country that he has sworn an oath to in favor of another country. >> 100%. and it is the most important feature of a sentencing and signature feature of his can his conviction. all i was referring to as a study based on not that much that compare different sentencings by the judges in this district of white-collar defendants. but you're 100% right? that this is not i mean, it's the important point about the case. it is at once a kind of down and dirty jersey bride, but also this much more important national security gloss that the jury has now found shonda reasonable doubt. so these protestations by menendez that he, he didn't

act that way will have zero purchase at sentencing as opposed to the legal arguments that maybe he can offer. so yes. what is in the mind of judge sam stein when it comes to this extra very important feature that's what we'll find out on the 29th. and this little datum that in garden variety of white-collar cases, he doesn't tend to throw the book at defendants, i think is close to know, meaningless know that's really interesting. >> all right, harry, stay with me if you would. i want to get quickly to lauren fox it's on capitol hill you heard the senator there, lauren or pardon me, here in washington. you heard the senator. he's not going anywhere. he's pretty defiant. he is going to force the hand of senate leadership. it sounds like yeah, those initial statements from him outside of the courthouse. it's clear that he wants to appeal this decision. that would lead you to believe that he is defiant here, arguing that he may stay in this state in his senate seat. i want to

just pull back for a second though and lay out the fact that right now he is receiving pressure to step aside from senate majority leader chuck schumer. it's not clear that schumer will be able to convince him. it's not clear if schumer is going to try to call senator menendez what we have seen so far is the statement from senator schumer, but we should point out that this call for him to resign is new from the majority leader prior to this moment schumer it made clear that he wanted this case to play out. he had said that he was disappointed in menendez, that there are standards in the senate, but he had not gone as far as asking menendez to resign. we are also getting some new reaction from andy kim, who is running to replace senator menendez in this seat in a statement, he said, quote, this is a sad and somber day for new jersey and our country, our public servants should work for the people. and today we saw the

people, judge that senator menendez as guilty. and unfit to serve i called on senator menendez to step down when these charges were first made public and now that he has been found guilty, i believe the only course of action for him is to resign his seat immediately. and again, brianna, we talked a little bit about this a few minutes ago, but right now, if senator menendez decides that he is not not going to resign his seat, there is action that senate leadership can take and that includes calling for a vote to expel him from the senate that would take two-thirds of the members voting and order to do that. but brianna, perhaps given the fact that the election is just around the corner, that is an option for democrats crowds, especially given the fact that you can imagine some democrats in red states who already have tough elections do not want to be talking about this as they are running back comb brianna. no, they certainly don't. it is a very bad look. lauren fox.

thank you so much and thanks to harry litman and kara scannell as well. well, for her excellent reporting and following this case, as we follow this breaking news, senator menendez found guilty of this 16 federal charges. in this bribery and corruption case that he was facing. and now the senate majority leader, chuck schumer, calling on him to resign as the senator from new jersey shows no indication patient that he is going to comply with that. we're going to take a quick break next, we're going to go live to milwaukee and the republican national convention, where my co-anchor boris for sanchez is they are now following all of the twists and turns and moments ago spoke with georgia governor brian kemp. so we're going to bring that to you next. stay with us my father, shows me to succeed him. no matter the consequences house of, the dragon, streaming

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convention goers cheered for him and his new vice presidential pick a former never trumper. the senator of ohio, jd vance. >> the two became the official nominees of the republican ticket last night. tonight, theme of the country convention will make a focus on making america safer again, that is to go along with an overall message of unity that trump says he is pushing after nearly being killed. >> we're going to see how tonight slate of republican speakers are going to live up to trump's call, including some former rivals, nikki haley and ron desantis we want to start with cnn's kristen holmes, who's here at the rnc so kristen, give us a preview of tonight's events for us. >> it's not just that he's our arrivals. these were the top rivals. governor ron desantis, governor nikki haley. the reason why this is so notable is because of what actually happened in the leadup to them speaking, we were told hold that neither of them had been given speaking slots. now, florida governor ron desantis had been invited to the convention. he was going to be

here, but not given a speaking slot. former governor of south carolina on nikki haley wasn't even invited. and after we reported that there was an enormous amount of backlash, remember, there has been a lot of talk about people who were looking for alternative to former president donald trump, who supported nikki haley or who supported ron desantis. and they wanted to bring the party together. they obviously believe not inviting them did not do that. now, we're going to see somewhat of a message of unity by having them up on that stage. and we will note traditionally those top rivals would be he at the convention. so it was strange that they weren't going to be given these kind of speaking roles. but when it comes to what exactly we're going to hear from the speakers tonight. a lot out of the speaker's, some of them, senatorial candidates. >> they are known for their kind of ramped up rhetoric. >> but what we have seen over the past day has been a little bit of moderation in tone as former president trump himself has made these calls calls for unity. taka