slot. former governor of south carolina on nikki haley wasn't even invited. and after we reported that there was an enormous amount of backlash, remember, there has been a lot of talk about people who were looking for alternative to former president donald trump, who supported nikki haley or who supported ron desantis. and they wanted to bring the party together. they obviously believe not inviting them did not do that. now, we're going to see somewhat of a message of unity by having them up on that stage. and we will note traditionally those top rivals would be he at the convention. so it was strange that they weren't going to be given these kind of speaking roles. but when it comes to what exactly we're going to hear from the speakers tonight. a lot out of the speaker's, some of them, senatorial candidates. >> they are known for their kind of ramped up rhetoric. >> but what we have seen over the past day has been a little bit of moderation in tone as former president trump himself has made these calls calls for unity. take a listen to what

don junior, his son said about what he was going to have as his speech, donald trump be, different different how i just certainly deescalate some of that rhetoric now, obviously leslie donald trump is not known for de-escalating rhetoric, but this was a harrowing experience and we are talking to allies, supporters, advisers behind the scenes, who say they really believed that he is changed and means it seriously when he wants people to tone down that rhetoric, when he makes these calls for unity in the party. >> now obviously, we're waiting to see for donald trump actually says on thursday. but again, talking to the people around them, even talking to some of his supporters were in the room last night when he walked in with that bandage on his ear the first time so many people had seen him in public

since that assassination attempt. they said he looked different. that he looked emotional that is what i am hearing from his senior advisers as well, that he is taking this event, this assassination attempt on his life, very seriously. obviously, that is playing into a lot of the themes of this convention kristen holmes, thanks so much for the reporting. >> trump's pick for vice president is seeing it's a doubling down on the maga agenda, partly because on some issues vance's even farther to the right than the nominee take abortion, for instance, earlier this month, fans said that like trump, he believes the issue should be left up to the states, but he's previously urged republicans to support a national abortion ban in november number of last year, he told cnn that while he expects states to adopt their own bans, there should be a quote, minimum national standard. and in his own state of ohio, vance supported keeping a six-week ban without exceptions for rape and incest however, after that was

repealed, he criticized republican messaging on the issue. on the issue of russian aggression in europe. vance has been a leading opponent of us support for ukraine. he's unsuccessfully tried to block military aid and one said, quote, i don't really care what happens to ukraine one way or the other vance's also been highly critical of the criminal cases against and it's donald trump going so far as to call for a quote, takeover of the doj. and at one point suggesting trump fire civil servants and replace them with quote our people it's the issue of the 2020 election though where events may mirror trump the most like trump the ohio senator says, it was quote, stolen he falsely claimed that there was large-scale voter fraud. and referred to january 6 rioters as political prisoners. plus, in a moment, the biden campaign says, is key. vance declared that if he had been vice president on january 6 instead

of mike pence, he would not have certified the election results. we're joined now by cnn senior political analyst, mark preston. mark great to be with you. so mike pence brought some would say temperament to the ticket in 2016, as well as evil evangelical's support in your eyes, what is j. d. vance spring? >> well, you know, you talk about doubling down. you could say that perhaps donald trump has gone all in on the maga agenda right now, we've eight years from 2016, were in a different world. this, this republican convention is, i wouldn't say it's entirely different, but the makeup, the composition of the folks we're here, it's a lot different than it was eight years ago. and i used to know quite a few people across the party, you know, in the republican party in the state parties with local parties, i can tell you. i don't recognize a lot of these faces, but what that says is that donald trump has successfully taken over the republican party in jd vance is going to be the person who's going to be the best person to promote the president's agenda over the next couple of weeks,

over the next couple of months, he notably brings maga to a new generation, right he's almost half the age of donald trump. >> how would he and vice president harris play into the campaign over the next few weeks. well, i mean so let's get the age joe biden, 81, donald trump, 78, comma harris, 50 59. and now you have jd vance was 39-years-old. so you've got to look for in some sense, will there be a youth, will there be a fight about the future? will kamala harris be able to go out and prosecute joe biden's agenda for him successfully as well? jd vance is going to do for for donald trump. expect those to to be the attack dogs over the next couple of months. you look donald trump for all that he's saying that he is trying to bite his tongue and you said he's trying to lower the temperature. the question is, can he really do that? if he can do that, jd vance can then fill that void. >> well, we were trying to get some reporting on this attempted call between vice president harris and jd vance.

it seems like she left a voicemail yesterday, were trying to figure out if she actually got a chance to connect with him today. but part of the message from her was not only to congratulate him, but also to express hope that they could meet and the vice president presidential debate that's been put up by cbs. if it winds up being on the books, right? what does it look like? how do you think it might impact the race? well, i mean, look, everyone's going to focus on them and say, god, i want to see, to see a rock and shock them. debate between these two number twos, so to speak. but again, let's just go back to what issues are they going to talk about? how are they going to carry forth? their nominees agenda forward and kamala harris really has to be able to really step up, you given what has happened to the biden campaign right now. and how they've been knocked back on the hills, were not to see kamala harris step up and at least try to show some of the enthusiasm that perhaps we've seen lacking in the democratic

party over the past couple weeks. >> so mark, tonight the message make america safe again, right it could be dark. well, coincidental given the fact that there was this attempted assassination attempt on former president trump what do you what are you expecting to see? i just certainly coincidental because this is something that he's been talking about ever since he started running for office back in 2015. >> look, i do think it's going to be kind of a dark night, you know, the idea that the border is wide open in that illegal immigrants are coming across and they've been released from mental hospitals. and what have you i think we're going to hear all those stories tonight. perhaps could hear some really terrible stories about folks who have lost loved ones mark preston, thanks so much for the perspective. i want to send it back to my co-anchor, brianna in dc. >> yeah, we do have some breaking news here, boris, we are learning of a plot to assassinate former president trump, a plot with no known connection to saturday's assassination attempt. i should mention that's obviously very knows noteworthy. let's bring in senior justice corps upon it, evan perez for the details

on this, evan, what do you know? >> well, brianna, in recent weeks, the u.s. government received intelligence from a human source that indicated that the iranians were plotting to try to kill former president donald trump. now that lead immediately to an increase in the protection for the former president. we heard over the weekend from the secret service that in recent weeks they had increased their protection for the former president. and so the question was exactly why we now know that this is the reason why it was specific intelligence that was deemed to be credible enough. and that's reason why they increased the protection for the former president is very important to point out that there is nothing to indicate at this point. it's part of this investigation of the events on saturday that the shooter would be assassin, that tried to assassinate the former president on saturday, there's no indication that it had anything to do with this iranian implied it appears to be a coincidence, obviously, but it is one of those things

that is raising new questions. i think for the u.s. secret service and for everybody involved in the protection of donald trump how it was that these events took place as they did on saturday. how did someone this 20-year-old person? get onto that roof? again, knowing that they had this intelligence secret service was aware of this intelligence, and they had taken obviously some additional steps. but how did that person get on a roof and be able to fire off these shots? that almost killed donald trump. those are very, very big, important questions that you're going to have secret service they're going to have to answer in the coming weeks and then the other the other issue obviously is how much of this played into some of the preparations for this rally. we know that over the period of months that the former president's campaign has been told and has been warned by the secrets service about the inherent risks of holding these very large these outdoor events

where it's inherently more risky for his security and the secret service was much, much for, for donald trump or for, or anyone who's running for office like this to hold events in a closed environment where they have better control of who gets in and out and who might have access to him. and so the questionnaire there is, were they aware of to our knowledge, they weren't necessarily read in on the specifics of this plot. but the question is, should they be holding these outdoor events where there's clearly more risk, than to do events if they did an inside for instance, at an arena. >> and so this knowledge now in retrospect, knowing why they amped up the security that they all the more reason to be cautious obviously in the setup of the city tuition there in butler, pennsylvania when we also look though of note, as you point out, this was not

connected to what happened on saturday, but what happened on saturday was sort of seen as something obviously asli alone gunman, something that was a little more ad hoc. we've learned now that it was almost two minutes it's the people saw this man on the roof before he took a shot and that raises a lot of questions about how security was responding. there but just knowing that an ad hoc situation was able to almost succeed, raises questions about what a state actor might be able to achieve and knowing what we now know about this iran plot will kind of notes they, or another entity that is an enemy of the u.s. what kind of notes they might be taking exactly. >> the issue is obviously the threat from iran has been a known factor, right? there has been warnings about iran and the fact that they do want to strike back against the united states obviously the 2020

assassination of qassem the money in iran in sorry, i iraq the, the top general there in iran has prompted increasing concerns about specific officials inside the u.s. government who could be targeted, including the former president, but also mike pompeo, john bolton, we've all seen these people being protected to a greater extent than you might see. former officials usually protected. so we've seen all of that visibly. and so the questions you're asking are exactly the ones that i think everybody is on everyone's mind because we we know for instance that the justice department has arrested people who did have a trial, that they did try to come up with plans to go after john bolton and so all of that information i think makes you wonder, you know, why the events happened on saturday, the way they did. i should

reach it. i should note that we did get a statement from the trump campaign and they said we do not comment on the the president trump's security detail. all questions should be directed to the united secret says, united states secret service, which of course is the big question, right? they're going to be facing hearings. they're going to be facing very important questions from members of congress who already are asking about exactly what went wrong here. >> we have all kinds of questions. or if they'd amped up security in light of of knowing this with this threat that they thought was credible, did they have more snipers perhaps than they would usually have? we don't know the answer to that at this point. but certainly that would be interesting to know we also know that iran has targeted iranian dissidents, right? on american soil and as you mentioned, other plots as well. but this gets to a new level, right? right. this is talking about the presidency, someone who has been in president and

may very well be president. again that seems like a new level, right? >> it takes, it takes the iran threats, certainly, i think to a new height that i think a lot of officials i think a lot of people who don't know exactly what's been going on behind the scenes. i think maybe not understand that the threat from the iranians is at that level, obviously, russia and china are seen as the biggest adversaries for the united states. but to try, to try to take out a former president united states. someone who right now is leading in many polls. you know at this point, if you were to held an election right now, it could very well be the president, the next president again, come january. certainly does indicate that this is an increased level of threat and that's what the justice department that's what the fbi that's what the intelligence community, the homeland security department, everybody it's very, very keenly aware of. and so the way to protect someone like the leading candidate and protect the

current president united states. is, it makes it a lot more complicated. we know that politicians want to have these kinds of events where they have more interaction closer access to their supporters. and so that's always the push and pull that you have between the secret service and the security services, the intelligence agencies, and so on, to try to inform them. and so that question i think we're going to we're going to have emanating from this is, did they add additional resources at in butler, pennsylvania? right. did they have additional cyprus? we don't know that. we know that there's at least two secret service sniper groups and two local and two local? correct. and we know that one of the sniper groups was able to get a shot that killed this person in that time that he was able to fire off these shots well, this report obviously raising huge questions about what that would catapult the us into if there would be a threat carried out like that, evan,

thank you so much. >> we know you're going going to continue to dig on this. thank you for the report. boris, back to you yeah, a huge development. >> and as we're getting this news here at the rnc in milwaukee, i want to go now to cnn's kristen holmes because kristen, you've been talking to sources on the trump campaign. how are they receiving this news about an iranian plot to assassinate former president trump well, as evan said, boris, campaign officially is not commenting, which is not that surprising. >> they said they said we don't comment on the president's security detail and deferred us to secret service. but i can tell you a couple of notes that i have, one from things that i have witnessed and to what i have spoken to what i've learned from adviser and aides. one of them is that there was a notice that there had been increased secret service protection by a lot of these aides and advisers. they were not sure why exactly. and this is from the people that i have spoken to a get and is unclear what exactly what levels of the campaign might have known about

this plot. who was briefed on it if they were briefed? it all but from the people i've spoken to, they believed that this was in part because of the fact that he was about to become the nominee. he was a former president before that, they likely needed to ramp up some of the security around him. i can also say from attending numerous rallies of former president donald trump's, we did not notice any kind of heightened security presence, but one thing we did notice is that at times it did appear to take longer to go through some of the security lines. we did hear people complaining about it, but still not clear if that was actually related to this plot or not. the other part of this is that i have personally firsthand witness some of these kinds of clash his between the secret service and the campaign at various events. one of them being his arraignment and washington, dc. i saw an agent trying to rush trump one way the campaign was having him go another way, but to be clear, the campaign does differ to secret service when it comes to his protection, one of the

things that donald trump did a lot starting last january back in 2023, he started having off the records are otrs and essentially that is when he shows up at a location and nobody knows about it ahead of time to pool traveling with him doesn't go they don't know about but until you arrive at the destination or they're not allowed to share that location. that's kind of a surprise for the people who are in that room. most of them or all of them are not swept by secrets service as most people who come into contact with donald trump are there was a period of time in which they started doing these off the record events, but everyone had to be swept before and then they stopped doing them at all partially, i was told because of secret service, because of this security threat it's not just these convert conversations about outdoor rallies. they were people who are concerned within the agency that donald trump showing up at a location where people weren't swept was going to cause a problem. again, this was a while ago, so clearly you can see that there has been conversation around

his security for some time now about this specific take plot, it still remains completely unclear what, or if anyone within the campaign actually knew about this. one thing to point out here, the reason why they would notice an incident increased security, presence. donald trump has traveled with a very close group of secret service agents that has called his detail. these are the people who keep him safe on a daily basis. and we no, that he has a very close relationship with them. they like him a lot. he likes them a lot, is actually been conversations around the fact that they serve as almost an entity with donald trump, not necessary. sara lee communicated that this is early with the secret service back in washington, dc because they spend so much time together. obviously for the people who spend every single still day with them, they would notice if this detail was growing. but again, from whom i've spoken to, they didn't know why. they just assumed it was because one there's potentially something going on with the fact that he was going to be the nominee. and because he had been a former president, maybe he had less security before becoming

the nominee kristen holmes. >> fascinating detail. there let's get some perspective now from former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe we're also joined by a former secret service agent, jonathan wackrow, i believe is also with us. but first to you, andy, i'm curious to get your reaction to learning that saturday's shooting happened after there was already an increase in security because of this iranian plot all the boris, it's it's not surprising to me at all that the former president is really still on the iranians radar on a personal level because he was president when the united states took out general qassem soleimani, the head of the irgc quds force and loved almost iconic figure in iran. >> i wrote a piece at a time

and suggested that that debt would, they would try to get have that debt paid off at some point, this was not something that was going to go away quicker they would dedicate themselves to try to avenge his death, whether it happens today or ten years from now so he is still in a significant target for the iranians on that reason alone plus, of course, they've got no love for the united states generally, particularly now with us support to israel so the opportunity to strike back against the united states in the united states would be a really significant accomplishment for them. it's easier to strike out at a former president than it is at a current president because of the vast difference in the security apparatus around them that being said, if this threat was communicated to this secret service, which i have no doubt that it was. it makes the potential mistakes and missteps that we've all been talking about for the last few days even more glaring because when

you receive threat intelligence like that, credible threat intelligence, which that's what this has been reported that is, the time to step up your game and make no mistakes to go, to add additional resources, which it looks like they did, and to make sure that every assignment is covered assiduously. so it does if there were mistakes made on saturday, which it seems like there were it raises even more significant questions about how that could happen under the current threat environment there. >> and i just want to point out again for our viewers, there's as of this 0.0, no known connection between this iranian plot and what actually transpired on saturday. jonathan, i'm curious to get your perspective on what andy was just discussing. the idea that the secret service was already on alert before saturday, and then we watched what unfolded in butler, pennsylvania yeah. boris is right. we have to get to the bottom of understanding what

type of security lapses and failures occurred and why very, very quickly, right? because you know, with the global threatened this new directed threat towards the former president, coupled with the issues that we're facing domestically on the threat landscape, we have to make sure that every single site that the former president and everyone that's engaged in this campaign from the political side, you can feel safe, right? right now. they don't feel safe because there's a lingering question as to was this a onetime series of issues that led to this incident happening happening or is there a problem with the mission with the application of protection that the secret service is doing. this is why a mission assurance review you needs to be conducted immediately and then communicated out to the public. so that they know that this is a safe election that are political leaders, while they may be operating in a threat

environment. are safe. we have to look at why did this individual get up onto an elevated shooting position within 100 and 30 yards of, a former president and the leading republican candidate and gets shot. that is unacceptable, but we have to find out why that happened and ensure that it will never happen again. and that needs to be that needs to come from the top. it needs to come from dhs. it needs to come from the secret service to reassure the public that this election is safe. the same one way boris that we do it with our election technology. and the reinforcement of the election integrity. we need to ensure from a physical security standpoint that the american public is reassured that whoever's engaged in this political process are safe andrew, what do you know of iran's capacity to actually carry out that kind of attack so, a ron has long had the capacity to reach out and

effect outcomes in foreign countries and a lot of what they do is relying on their terrorist counterparts in his vault we know that hezbollah has engaged in terrorist activity and multiple countries around the globe is notorious bombings in places like the middle east and south africa. >> i'm sorry, south america and other places historically hamas is one of the most hi, most well-trained, most professional, most lethal terrorist organizations on the globe. and part of that is because they benefit from the support and training of the government of iran. so the two of them are absolutely connected at the hip. you almost can't take them apart. so if iran has it particularly dirty and lethal operation that they want to, they want to take place somewhere around the globe. they often push that responsibility out onto hamas

because it makes it more deniable for the government of iran. they can disclaim any involvement with it and try to avoid some of the yeah international political repercussions that come from that sort of terrorism, but make no mistake about it. they have been a sponsor of international terrorism for decades. and this is exactly the kind of thing that it fits with the sorts of things that they're trying to accomplish and avenging the deaths of gazan soleimani is something that hangs over their heads to this day and they will not stop until they feel like they satisfied that blood lost jonathan, i want to ask you about something that kristen holmes alluded to this sort of push and pull between secret service and campaign folks. >> and obviously i imagined then that whatever intelligence is shared with law enforcement, there's a wall and it doesn't make its way to the campaign. but how does that sort of work in your experience when

there's perhaps a disagreement or there's an understanding of the campaign that there's going to be additional security protocols additional security personnel, in place moving forward and we can't really tell you why well, listen that push and pull isn't just isolated to the trump campaign and his detail. >> that is, every secret service protectee i think you're going back as far as my time in the secret service, there's always going to be this push and pull well, because they're political leaders, they want to be out there in the open. they want to be able to connect with the people and have full exposure the secret service, knowing what the threat environment is specifically if there's a directed threat towards one of the protectee's wants to apply a lot of control measures. they want to restrict the movement. they want to restrict the visit it's ability as much as they can of that protectee. so they don't become a target so it comes down to communication and how the secret service detail, the secret service leadership

sits down and discusses exactly what the threats are, what is within the world of the possible that they can do? to work with the campaign to help them achieve their mission. but also provide an elevated level of protection that level of protection can come from. it, just additional physical resources around the former president, but it also can come in the form of technology. it can come in the form of a she'll resources for advanced protocols for the types of surveillance and counter-surveillance measures that are out there. a lot of things can be done. but what is really important is that communication between all the stakeholders. so everyone is alive. you don't have to divulge exactly what the threat is and what the potential costs sequences are. but you have to at least work with the stakeholder group to ensure that you can apply this level of security and that it's additive not to attractive from what needs to be done jonathan

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you read that change well, it's great that she's coming. >> i mean, what you'll hear from nikki haley won she will light up the room as she did all during the campaign against arrivals. and two, it'll be a message of unity. it'll be one for america, get behind a man who in his four years have had a country that's has been downgraded the last three-and-a-half years her message will be one to let less unify. let's go to work. we've got a lot of work to do. and i think the fact that she's here is the right thing to do as as i think desantis and others to will have the same message, but it's time to get together. this country is in trouble and we've got a man that can fix it. he did during his four years and i think you'll hear that from nikki haley she did describe donald trump as an agent of chaos, as as unhinged. she actually launched an attack at him based on what

republicans have attacked, joe biden for his, his age and his mental acuity. how do you think that's going to be received tonight? >> look, what's said in the campaign. that's history you battle of isle politics is a blood-sport. but i think what it, what is true is joe biden in his state is age is definitely a fact of dementias, definitely a factor and ability govern is definitely a factor that doesn't affect donald trump and i think she was highlighting her positives, which she's young. she would have eight years and she that's why she shot to the top and face donald trump at the end of it into the campaign, where all together now though this is a new day, a new time to, you can't it looked to the past. you got to look to the future. and nikki haley will do that tonight now, i do want to point out the white house has repeatedly denied that president biden has parkinson's or dementia, or

any other cognitive issues, you do say that we are all together now? >> haley got a considerable portion of the primary vote, even after she dropped out of the race, those were protest votes against donald trump. >> how confident are you that those voters are actually going to come home? the definitely going to come home and first for the white house, a statement that he doesn't have dementia doesn't have cognitive deficiencies. that is a complete joke. the american people had a front row seat to that and they did during the debate. and this has been coming for the last two-and-a-half years now look at what we'd got to gain. and the 20 point agenda that donald trump laid out reversing the immigration deportation get gas independence he's going to talk about security and inflation well, the things that america's is thirsty for, we haven't had that the last

three-and-a-half years and fact, it would be hard for kamala harris or anybody else to less me five good things that americans feel good about. i don't think they can under joe biden sir, last night, donald trump selected jd vance to be his running mate. he's a 39-year-old senator, a freshman senator. what does it tell you about the future of the republican party? >> there are about the party has a great future. jd vance. >> he's proven himself. >> he's he's a very articulate, bright man of co-sponsor. some is legislation to do away with diversity, equity, and inclusion he said, experience where it needs to be, which isn't in the business sector the private sector not political experience, although he's, he's a senator and he knows politics, but where he will add value is common sense. laying out the vision that donald trump has. and i look forward to the debates with kamala harris and let's see how that

works out. i don't think it'll work out too well. for all the reasons that i mentioned earlier congressman ralph norman, we have to leave the conversation there. >> appreciate you joining us my pleasure. of course so, president biden is back on the campaign trail facing new doubts about his ability to beat former president donald trump. >> ahead, signs that efforts to push him out of the race are resurfacing as his allies push to speed up the nomination vote right? >> if you're new york giant, yes, sir. >> our teams still add in pieces, still have the draft. with free agency. >> think one, let's have a conversation. >> here. it's unlike anywhere else or docks off season with the new york giants streaming exclusively on max. you know, priceline helps families say, but the 60% on family-friendly hotels, so many great trip we might just leave here with another vacation baby take it easy, paris and youtube for

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right, brianna, what we are learning is that there are some biden allies that are making this quiet push for the president's formal nomination to begin and wrap up basically as quickly as possible. >> and just to give you the context here, which is really important, is that the dnc weeks and weeks ago had set up this process for the president to be virtually nominee unaided. well, before he goes to the democratic national convention in chicago in august, because of some issues that had existed related to whether he could get on the ballot in ohio? hey, you know, initially the nomination had to had to happen before an august 7 deadline, but that issue essentially became moot when a law was passed in ohio the dnc basically said, we're going to move ahead with this process anyway, because we worry about potential republican legal challenges coming up. now, what some biden and allies are pushing for now is for all of this to proceed. the wool call vote to proceed with as much

speed as possible. they want it to happen potentially as early as next week, which would be a really aggressive timeline and the reason that they are pushing for this is because as we have reported on so much, the president's political future is really uncertain right now. and the idea is that they would like to lock this up as quickly as possible and not have a situation where they're headed king into the democratic national convention in august with anything up in the air, i should note that the dnc's chairman tells us that there is no official effort for wiped out right now to accelerate any kind of timeline certainly some in the party are not going to welcome that news. >> mj yeah, absolutely. >> i mean, the idea of the dnc moving ahead with a virtual roll call, any way is really getting a lot of pushback. congressman jared huffman from california, for example, a democrat told our colleague manu raju that this is a tariff terrible idea. he said this dumb and that there is a growing number of members that are concerned about the

decision to proceed with this virtual roll call. anyway we are learning too about what a draft letter that is circulating among house democrats that says, basically, we need to slow down this process that letter says in part, there is no legal justification patient, for this extraordinary and unprecedented action which would effectively accelerate the nomination process by nearly a month brianna, i just have to tell you this force is just one more clear sign that while it is true that some of the public calls for president biden to step aside, raising questions and concerns about his age and fitness those might have quieted down for a little bit after the events of saturday, but those concerns are very much real and they're still circulating among democratic circles. >> yeah they certainly are mj lee live force at the white house. thank you for the report. the evangelical vote lifted donald trump to the white house in 2016 after trump's brush with death last weekend could those voters do

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much for being with us ahead of the iowa caucuses you through your support behind governor ron desantis in the primary. i'm wondering if you are now ready to fully endorse the trump vance ticket in november well, i really am, in fact, i said that almost immediately after the iowa caucuses when when president trump won the caucuses, i think by about 30 points. >> and then went on just to steamroll through all of the other states but what you're seeing right now as you're seeing the ability of a donald trump, the coherence of a donald trump versus the inability in incoherent say, of joe biden and we're also very excited about his pick with jd vance. so i think the trump vance ticket offers a clear choice for america. and i think right now they're staying in really good shape to win this election with a mandate from the american people to deliver the results that happened in trump's first term. >> now i want to go back. to florida governor desantis for a moment because he is slated to

speak tonight at the rnc. what do you expect that he's going to share with the audience and what do you think his future is in the party? >> well, i think what he's going share of the audiences that conservative leadership wins. he has shown that in the toss-up state of florida, where he won, i think by about 40,000 votes and 2018. and then after bold conservative leadership, he wins in a landslide and 2022 so i think he's going to share that with convention delegates tonight and he has a very bright future. he's a young guy as well. i think the republican party is loaded with talent. whether it'd be ron desantis or a kim reynolds are at vance. there's plenty of people on the bench who are willing to play sir, the republican national committee adopted a platform that was scaled back its softened language on abortion and same-sex marriage that was in an earlier draft. >> i'm wondering what you make

of that of the party's 2024 platform, which doesn't mention a national abortion well, first of all, what the family later we're nonpartisan ministry, so we don't really get tied up into party politics. our belief system goes beyond a party. we play for an audience of one. and so our bedrock is still for the sanctity of human life and a biblical marriage, the way god designed and as well as for the family i think what, you saw with the party platform is more of a candidate trump and how he wants to lead right now, where he believes the country is that that's one thing, but i think the party platform should always hold onto those bedrock principles. so if they were to ask me about that, i'd say stick to your core values, your bedrock principles well, yeah, i asked because you tweeted last week that it was quote, gut wrenching to see marco rubio and jd vance run from life as they run to donald trump, as they seek their seat at the vp table, abandoning the

most fundamental right, the right to life is no way to win. >> now, earlier this month, vance said that he liked trump believes the issue should be left up to the states. he's previously though, republicans to support a national abortion ban what do you make of that change in his stance? >> well, i think what it is is that what the american people, they want to know where you are on the sanctity of human life. and that's a core issue. so they want to be able to trust you on that issue. and that's why marco rubio and jd vance have both been long time champions for a culture of life in this country. matter of fact, donald trump has, with the appointment of three supreme court justices that led to the overturn of roe v. wade so there's a clear difference between the republican party and the republican ticket versus the democrat party and the democrat ticket. so i would say au, i'd much rather champion a culture of life in this campaign than say a culture of death, a culture of death that is not who america is that's north korea. that's

i ran. those are people that don't share our values. but it's champion a culture of life that's who america is in your view. >> there is not that much disparity between former president trump, who's campaigning on the idea that you have to win elections and therefore, you sort of have to adapt to where popular opinion is versus where you are, which is that scripture, your view of scripture should lead the way well, there's no doubt that my view or that scripture should lead the way, not just my view, but scriptures should lead the way. and god is very clear when it comes to that he's the one who creates life. he's the author of life, life at conception to say natural death and so that's what we're, that's what we're going to champion. that's what we're going to celebrate. donald trump, jd vance course. they need to win elections and we'd like to see it back to the states, but more of that back to the people's elected representatives which includes

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