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4:00 a.m. here in milwaukee, wisconsin as we gear up for day three of the republican national well convention, you're looking at the outside of the fiserv forum where of course we're going to hear from the republican vice presidential nominee. jd vance later tonight good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. the republican party rallying around the man that they hope will soon become vice president's senator, jd vance appeared alongside side trump for the second night of the republican national convention. >> the new apprentice of the trump-led party from the trump family to republican lawmakers. >> the praise has been a fugitive we know obviously jd vance incredibly well. same thing, incredibly successful, incredibly articulate, has risen through. obviously the governmental system incredibly quickly did well in the private

sector military, everything, right? i mean, i happen to love jd and i also see the chemistry between jd and my father. >> i'm glad jd vance was picked. i think i'm missing in the senate. he's been because a great colleague a good support her mind. but i think you look great job as vp. as the life story of our next vice president, jd vance reminds us, we are all descendants of ordinary people pool, who achieved extraordinary things so vance, his life story, how does it factor in his rise to become vp nominee? >> it's pretty significant. cnn has learned from a source the jd vance's speech tonight will focus on how he quote rose from nothing. it is a story that was made popular in his best-selling memoir, auhillbilly elegy. he talks about growing up in an abusive home. the story was also turned into a movie that starred glenn close as vance, his grandmother she got to go to school, you got to get good grades to even have a chance. >> one was the best in her

interclass. >> what's the point? >> i'm talking about a chant you might not make it, but yes. sure. >> as hell won't. if you don't try, what do you even care what i do? >> i didn can live forever trump's campaign also tells cnn that they are calling wednesday, the vp's night, joining us to talk about what to expect tonight. >> margaret talev, senior contributor to axios, shelby talcott, politics reporter at semafor. matt gorman, the former advisor for tim scott's presidential campaign, and karen finney, the former spokesperson for hillary clinton's presidential campaign. welcome to all of you, previewing tonight, i feel like i feel like it's still last night. if i'm being completely candid people still think it is a mystery. >> exactly yeah, we're kind of in that space here but look, this is we're kicking off what is really the heart of this republican national committee? >> mentioned wednesday and thursday i always really the two big days here matt gorman, let me start with you, since it's it is your your party and what we do expect to hear from jd vance tonight obviously,

there are some controversial things he said in elected office democrats, are you going to seize on? i'm sure karen is going to tell us all about it but he's really it's his first chance. i mean, most americans have no idea who jd vance's know this is going to be their first chance to get to know him. >> he's a name in a book cover for a lot of folks and look, both donald trump and jd vance were relatively famous. had a modicum of a famous success before they ever entered elective politics. so there's a little bit of commonality there. it's rare in today's day and age. however, you're right he has to tell the story like any vp nominee would in his own words. and that could be how he rose from nothing. his military service, and how that through line extends to what he would do as vice president. and as far as i know, talking with his folks there because you said eagerly writing even up until the last couple of hours, but i think it's up a really good speech and i think it's going to really kind of shine a light define jd as best as we possibly can. >> so karen, there are there's a cnn poll that we conducted late last month on people's opinions of jd vance, 51% of

americans told us they'd never heard of him, right? 15% said they had no opinion of him 20% have an unfavorable opinion, favorable opinion, 13 13%. he's obviously this is a big stage, an opportunity for him to do this. democrats are obviously going to try to push back against some of it, but he's going to get this first clean shot. what is your view of how this has played so far in these first couple of days since he was picked so forth. >> so far, i think they've done a great job and actually to what matt said, i think probably a lot of people they may not know that they know jd vance, but they know auhillbilly elegy or they've seen the movie. and now he's got the task of how do you turn that into a political speech at a convention that ultimately is about how do you win over voters and how how do you win an election i think they did a great rollout. there was clearly a lot of excitement about him, but sure. part of the as we know, in a political campaign, part of what happens is people get defined and they

are accountable for their records just in the same way, there's a narrative about him that the trump campaign wants to tell. there are what i would call fact checks look, the democrats want to share about him particularly in this moment when we're talking about unity, we're talking about how do we lower the temperature in our political discourse? he's someone who has not really done that in, in a lot of what we've seen from him online in the last, certainly a couple of years. so it'd be interesting to see tonight. does he is he able to hold it because already we've seen some of the speakers have not been able. i'm thinking marjorie taylor greene not quite able to get on that memo, but this will really be his big opportunity both to introduce himself to the country and to send the signal about whether or not this ticket is sincere and this lowering the temperature. so to that point, margaret talev chris christie, entered the

chat yesterday night with an op-ed in the new york times, christie of course, has been basically silence since it was clear that trump is going to win the nomination he writes this, mr. trump has the opportunity to rein in some of the worst impulses of the republican party at its convention. this week. but then he says early indications less than promising mr. trump's selection of jd vance of ohio as his running mate, doubles down on the portion of the party already completely devoted to him, rather than reaches out to the broader party and beyond and chris christie, notably not in the team of rivals on landslides i wonder why i was speaking to a woman last night, a delegate from western pennsylvania and she told me impromptu. she said so excited that former president trump had chosen jd vance and i said why and she said because he's everything that he's not and this is a woman who loves donald trump

and boards him but her point was that jd vance has military experience. jd vance came from nothing. jd vance is from the midwest jd vance is young that for anyone who is on the fence about trump personally, but likes the trump era policies and promises that jd vance offers a counter point to the idea of things that people might not like about donald trump. now, what does that going to do to swing voters in the suburbs? two women who support abortion rights to those republicans than nikki haley, republicans, who may be on the fence probably nothing but in terms of turnout and attracting new era of, or sort of first-time voting people in the trump base. this woman at least felt the jd vance's a very strong candidate. >> it's interesting and shelby, i mean, the generational contrast with the one that just keeps sticking out to me. >> absolutely. i think that's one of the things when i talk

to some of donald trump's aides and people close to him and his supporters, that they've brought up time and time again, that whether or not this was intentional jd vance picking jd vance is sort of it's generational. it means that donald trump's legacy and that sort of maga, movement could theoretically live on in a post donald trump, in a post donald trump era. and that's really interesting because we were unsure if that was something that donald trump was really focused on, that he cared about so some people see him picking jd vance as an indication that he does want his sort of movement to be solidified and come the republican party of future generations not just of his generation, but i also wonder again on the democratic side, when you have joe biden and kamala harris, some of the research we did in 2020 before she was selected was voters were saying we like the combination of a younger woman of color who represents the future of our party the changing demographics of our

country. her lived experience with his lived experience, which is again, maybe the bridge is longer than we might have thought it was going to be a bridge yes. >> and bill clinton who hold live in my mind but but so but the same idea of and exactly what margaret was saying. thank people do like to see that. does the vp bring something some lived experiences that the presidential candidate does not? and that's always an important part of the argument and then june race where age has been yes, huge topic. >> it is obviously notable that you're a guy for the third time in a row. what's the new kind of thing that you're bringing into the equation here that can be a little bit of a variable here. and you're right, a 40-year-old man who can, for all of his purposes, notes that open a pdf. unlike a lot of older prison case, may not know how to do on both saturday. >> i know how to do that i think it's a little bit story

for a little more excitement. and he was taken his son in his kids down to the walgreens in downtown milwaukee today. so i think it was a little something different. i think the third time nominate the same presidential. >> what do you know like, they're there's a lot of other contenders. wasn't gonna be done and burgum wasn't gonna be marco rubio in this past few days have really thought that glenn youngkin was the contrast because those would have been to really distinct choices. do you go for a more establishment republican is really successful with businesses and in swing states and suburbs and can ease those republicans minds about another trump term, or do you go to the base and to the core and to the next generation in this choice will tell you a lot about how trump, about biden debate performance likely opened up a little bit more space for donald trump to pick the person that he wanted. at for himself as opposed to what he may have wanted to expand his electoral map. all alright, coming up next here on cnn this

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rafah problem all right margaret talev obviously, back on the campaign trail during the republican national convention. >> he's not the first person to do that, although historically sometimes the opposing nominee would go or president would go dark during this period of time clearly, they know they have to kind of keep up the pace for him because the pressure behind the scenes is still there on the president he doesn't get to take a break to put it mildly a couple of thoughts about his visit yesterday. >> one, he's obviously going back to basics. he's courting the base he's courting african american voters. he's trying to ensure so latino voters don't think they're feeling taken for granted. those are really important things to do right now. from a policy perspective, he's moving to the left. we saw that with some of the supreme court conversations that have been called for term limits or is going to call for term limits and an ethics code. >> i think the most interesting

thing he did yesterday was he started talking talking about what a new term would look like, what a second term would look like for the last, since the debate, fans go. one of the big criticisms is why are you talking about the past while you re litigating are you living in the moment? tell voters what you would give them if you were elected to a second term. we started to hear him talk about that today in ablaze started that last week in detroit. he started to lay that out and look at the naacp convention. and one of those both happened to be this week in nevada and not going with really not an an option but look, i mean, i think black voters, despite what the public polls are saying, i can tell you the internal polls are saying there is no way donald trump is getting 20 points. that's just not happening and all the data that i've seen suggests black voters are still very much behind joe biden, particularly even in this conversation about whether or not he should step down or not and feel very strongly though, that there are issues like

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difficult for these communities. what are we looking at today? >> yeah, you can almost follow the path of the severe weather since sunday. look at this nearly 1,000 reports of severe weather, 15 tornado reports since sunday. and when we put this all into a seasonal perspective, you can see just how well above average to date we are in terms of number of tornadoes across the u.s. 1,400 so far we average roughly about 1,000 for this year to date and along with that band of severe weather that moved through, let's say, illinois on monday and then upstate new york into the rest of the workweek this is some of the resulting wind impacts. in fact hurricane force gusts for some locations that knocked out power power for 450,000 customers from illinois through northern new england now there is still a round of severe storms possible today across a major metropolitan of the east coast that includes new york, philadelphia, and washington. so we're talking about over 50

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trump's former rivals took the stage at the republican national convention last night. there they are from 2016 and 2024. >> this time they are all taking singing a page in donald trump's hymnal, nikki haley had once called donald trump unhinged mentally unfit she said that he couldn't win a general election, but last night she tried to speak directly to trump's skeptics and she called for all republicans to unite behind him i'll start by making one thing perfectly clear donald trump has my strong endorsement, paris the ci actually had to say that says a lot about how we got here. but anyway, florida governor ron desantis bashed democrats and warned of another four years under biden donald trump has been demonized. he's been sued. he's been prosecuted. any nearly lost his life we cannot

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at the end of it and saying it all comers, including someone one-on-one with this time it was nikki haley versus donald trump, one-on-one for an extended period of time she got her clean shot. the anti-trump or the people that were trump skeptical in the party got their clean shot and trump won. and i think that made him stronger in the party and it allowed for a more unity coming in now, because there wasn't a what-if in the back of a lot of folks minds. >> but i wonder if speech is enough to convince those trump skeptics who, for so long we're told by nikki haley those nikki haley supporters how bad trump was and how they couldn't vote for him. and now we're seeing sort of the flip from her. and i wonder if one speech does that, or if if this is going to be a persistent problem, if donald trump is going to need to step up a little bit more in court, those voters, which you really hasn't yet president biden has a little bit more, i would say than donald trump. i wonder if she's going to need

to take a more forward role going forward in order to take convince them, but more i mean, isn't president biden doing that for donald trump yes. >> in a word i mean being in the conventional hall last night, you're exactly right. you look over at trump and he was like a couple of couple times. he was like, but really it was sort of like let's make it i get from that we're going to send it but her point was basically you don't have to like him to vote for him. i'm paraphrasing, but that was just what a night from her it's interesting when you're talking about just the delegates like vermont as you remember, the only the anomaly the state that gave nikki haley her victory those delegates have all come together now around donald trump at the delegate level of the activist level, her releasing her

delegates and her coming and saying things like that last night was enough if you are not a political person and you just happen to be a voter who leans center, right? it is a different decision tree for you. and in that case, the structure that she has set up is basically to say, if you were doing better under trump, you should vote for trump that biden is the problem that she's not making an affirmative case for trump so much as she's making such a negative case for biden that there is no other alternative that's her cares. >> i think what you're going to see right. is so she's creating this bridge and decision tree for her voters. whereas i think jd vance's role is going to be to say, hey, i was a never trumper. and then i got to know the guy. now, obviously on our side, we're going to take the things that he has said, that things that she has said, and use that to create that decision matrix. for those voters who are in the middle, who are not sure to say you write about how you feel about donald trump. and that's

why you should vote for joe biden yeah. >> i mean, again, i think the challenges when, you know, before america saw that debate, there was i think a lot more space around dinner tables, kitchen tables to say, hey, you should really consider this guy, that space has really shrunk in the race in the wreck of the debate, i mean, some of that is firmly in the anicdata realm, but it's all about turnout now, it's not about swing voters. there was a minute when it could have been about swing voters. and now of just about both sides sounding out their basis all right, let's get now to this story. >> the secret service director telling cnn that the agency was quote, solely responsible for implementing security at the trump rally that turned deadly over the weekend. >> this comes just days after she told abc news, quote, there was local police in that building. there was local police in that area that we're responsible for the outer perimeter of the building. the building she refers to there is the one where the gunman who attempted to assassinate donald trump fired from now, secret service director kimberly

cheatle, clarifying those comments, she told cnn this quote, what i was trying to stress was that we just divided up areas of responsibility and they provided support to those areas of responsibility. i have been trying to parse exactly how the secret service director has been dealing with this. because yesterday it was really a seemed like a very specific pass the buck situation to the local police and a relatively small town. this was not you're not working with the new york city police department here? because. at the bottom line here, this was a massive failure and it's it's it does not feel or has not felt like there is accountability coming from the secret service. >> they're making this worse. and this is me speaking, saying this. she's going to resign. she just doesn't know that yet. in my opinion, like i don't think she's long for that job not only because of the security failure, but more importantly, the way he's handling the fallout of this, she's not taking any responsibility if she's doling out this information and all of this in piecemeal, and she is just not handled as well. and neither has the whole structure

of this. i think we've always made this point. the people who rushed at that stage, that people on the ground that the president, potential protective folks incredible. i think where the failure if it's going to come, if we see it, it's going to be from the folks that were planning this and figuring it out. >> well, i mean, she didn't show up at multiple press conferences, right? that she could have showed up at. she does want interview with abc where they tried to push her to say, hey, are you responsible here? she's almost reluctant to say the buck stops with me. >> i have to i guess, words. >> anyway i'm like these comments are clarifying at least, but i do have serious questions about this. >> yeah. i mean, look, the way i think number one, we're still learning the details about what actually happened. so before we go firing, people let's have some facts that being said traditionally, having been a scheduler who dealt with secret service for years on this and been a person on the ground negotiating with secret service there's always a tension between staff and secret service because we want more, we want to bigger, we want more crowded, want more

you know, and then secret service looks at every site is like where it will hold trump. hey, don't do outdoor rallies. yes. >> absolute or that, you know, now that being said as they've also said, yeah, you've got the presidential protective division. those are the folks who are directly responsible for the president. then you've advanced team that is there on the ground early and that works with the local law enforcement to figure out what's in the security zone, what's down the security zone? so again, i think there are very serious questions she needs to answer for the folks who were there on the ground, need to answer for what was going on with that building. we're learning things like people were trying to warn the police that there was somebody on the roof though. we're learning things like there may have been an attempt actually to go after the shooter. so look, no question. complete failure on every level. but as we learn more, i think we'll get a clearer picture of where exactly was the breakdown because there was even a report that said there was a counter

assault team in the building just on the lower floor? >> yeah. many, many failures here. all right. still ahead here on cnn this morning, we're going to talk to jd vance's law school roommate to talk a little bit more about the man who could be vice president plus in a week celebrating republican unity, a reminder of the bitter republican fight for speaker of the house other part that you and the other part you have is one person who raised the issue. >> he's got an ax thanks. complaint about paying sleeping with their 17-year-old that's the way they would go off i can't believe i'm in china monday welcome, which we are home, bully always reminds me of how much money she spends. >> know it's exhausting 90 day fiance the other way all new monday at 8:00 on tlc. >> the last few years have been really tough on my family. this never ending cycle of inflation is taking more and more four out of my paycheck. hardworking

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all right. welcome back. jd vance, his rise from never-trumper to trump's choice for vice president, bringing back memories for those who knew him before his life in politics back in 2016, jd vance sent a message talking about then candidate trump to his old roommate at yale law school. and he wrote, quote, i go back and forth between thinking trump is a cynical, expletive, like nixon, who wouldn't be that bad and might even prove useful. or these americans, hitler house that for discouraging? fan says, since of course walked back, his trump criticism and has become one of his biggest cheerleaders in the senate, joining me now to talk about the shift, the man who received that message from jd vance, josh mclaurin is vance's yale roommate, now a democratic state senator in georgia ai thank you very much for joining us. sir. now i have to say my immediate thought in reading all of this is that maybe never put anything in a text message probably better safer if you will. >> but can you just tell us a little bit about what it was like to be jd vance's roommate

in law school, obviously yale law school is full of ambitious people who i'm like yourself. you're now a politician. he of course. now the vice presidential nominee. what have you seen in terms of his evolution and the evolution of your friendship, which i assume is something that no longer is on the table well, thank you, kasie, glad to join you this morning. yeah. i mean, we're not friends. we haven't spoken since 2016 at the time. i still had hope that he might be a different type of voice for the republican party. in politics, you often hear people act like there's nothing good about their opponent. i will acknowledge that jd is a smart guy who's good with people one-on-one. i mean, that was why he had some charisma at the time in law school. it was why i reached out in 2016 when i was worried about the rise of trump to ask him what he thought was going to happen? and he gave me a very insightful and cutting response that you quoted some of. i mean, he said the republican party at that time had had a

collective neglect that trump was the fruit of and that he was a demagogue who is exploiting it. so the same argument is democrats are making now, he was making with a real sophistication, then i mean, the only thing that really changed is trump got elected in 2016 and he jd himself has said in interviews that if he wanted to keep serving the voters who had chosen trump, he had to suck it up and get on the trump train. so that's i think why we are where we are. it's obviously extremely disappointing and i struggled for about it. a year when he had his senate campaign launch about whether to release that text because i mean, it's a really uncomfortable thing to do. but i did it because the stakes are huge. jd wants to be at the center of national life. obviously, and this kind of thing i think is really relevant for the public to know can i just ask you was his ambition and how was it on display when you were at yale? i mean, can you just kind of give us a little bit of insight into what he was like then and whether this seemed like

something that he was shooting for i never had the idea that he really wanted to be a politician. i think a lot of kids that go to yale law school fancy themselves to be policy wonks or want to be involved in the world of policy somehow. and i think that i certainly thought that about him. i mean, he studied economics recreationally on his own. he had fallen the whole conversation even with me about one i remember is about the second amendment. a lot of republican folks will use hardcore talking points about the second amendment, like it's absolute whatever. i don't know that he had that view. i mean, he wants shared with me that he felt like the second amendment was a paradox because on the one hand, it's law from the constitution. but he understood it to guarantee the people's right to overthrow their government, which is inconsistent with law and order. i mean, that's a really thoughtful analysis. >> and so that's why i think he struck me as somebody who might have a real role to play in changing republican politics in the 2000s, 2010s from being sort of an obstructionist party

of no culturally regrets. >> that's his party quite candidly to being some kind of a party of the future. but instead, while we're going through this trump nightmare and i mean that's my opinion. write jd has decided that i guess he can't wait for a brighter future. he's got the plugin now doubled down on the toxic politics and amplify trump's message of revenge, which is obviously it's extremely disappointing he has explained his, his changed views and i honestly will give him credit for it. >> there are a lot of people out there who have said a lot of things about donald trump that they then have have changed on and they have not been as sort of straightforward are willing to kind of defend themselves or tried to explain why they made that switch. he's basically said that he was misled by the media and that he made a mistake i mean, do you do you buy that in terms of an explanation?

>> here's what i think. i don't buy his explanation the way that he says that. i think his instincts told us it told him what americans see for themselves that trump is, has a narcissistic style, personality, cared about attention, fame wants to be the show runner who picks among people in dramatic fashion thank doing an apprentice style vp selection process. that's trump. and he cares about revenge and he wants to get revenge on his political opponents. and jt has signed up for that. so i do think that jd has changed. i actually think he sincerely has changed. and to your point about credit, he gets credit for not just being an empty suit. so many of his republican elected official colleagues just say whatever they need to say, even if privately they hold different beliefs. i think he has sort of forced himself to be angry enough to carry that anger through to where he has actually changed as a person and is willing to embrace and amplify all of this maga messaging willingly. i kind of think that's why he got picked because he is such a convincing

messenger. you kind of can't make it up and be as effective as he is added. so many people, republican elected officials who you mentioned, he flip-flop, tries to sort of evoked the maga energy, but i think they're just really bad at it. >> jd is good at it. and i think that reflects a wholesale change into convictions all right, an interesting assessment from georgia state senator josh mclaurin, who was also jd vance's remain in law school. thank you very much, josh. i really appreciate your time in coming up in our next hour here on cnn this morning, once bitter rivals now supporters, how some of donald trump's biggest critics, bethany, last night at the rnc plus new exclusive reporting about a plot by iran to try to assassinate trump coming as the secret service already facing intense scrutiny summer fun means one it's time to visibly say goodbye to crow, speak fine

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