depression disorder. and what this all adds up to there we're hoping for a better picture, boris at this point, the motive still remains unclear based on what they found off that cell phone young law live in bethel park, pennsylvania for us, kim. >> thank you so much. >> the next hour of cnn new central starts right now welcome back to cnn special live coverage of the republican national convention. >> i'm boris sanchez coming to you live from milwaukee. my good friend and co-anchor, brianna keeler is live for us in washington, dc and just hours from now, donald trump will for the third time in his political career, take the stage and accept the republican nomination for president. his speech tonight is expected to be very different from what was originally planned before he

was nearly killed at a rally on saturday we're told the former president is personally writing portions of the speech himself let's get the latest from cnn's kristen holmes. kristen, what more are you hearing about how trump is preparing for this big keynote address? >> not just writing portions of it, but also dictating portions of it. he's been running different parts by various allies. i spoke to one person who spoke to him who said that he's going to lean heavily into what happened on saturday in particular, that that he believes that there was divine intervention, that he is lucky to be alive. remember donald trump is not a religious or spiritual person, but this, according to his senior advisors, this is attempted assassination has changed him in that respect. we do know from a number of allies that he has continued to talk about the fact that he think that he thinks that god was watching over him. now when it comes to what exactly he's going to say, one senior campaign advisers said this to our colleague alayna treene, said, he's writing this speech

himself. it will be in his words from his heart it won't be a typical political speech. it'll be about unity and bringing the country together now, what donald trump's version of unity is remains to be he scene, he is someone who has been known in the past for his divisive rhetoric, but he has told those around him that he wants this to be a more upbeat speech, that he wants this to be he symbol of unity again, we will wait and see what happens when he takes the stage tonight kristen holmes. >> thank you so much for that preview. let's discuss now with republican congressman brian mast of florida, congressman. it's great to have you on. we appreciate you being with us. what are you expecting from former president trump tonight, especially as we get this reporting that people close to him see him as being changed by what happened on saturday i sat with the president, myself, steve scalise were sitting with him a couple of nights ago. >> and as three survivors, we were having a conversation and i'm not going to give all the details of that, but he is a

person that is forever changed by the fact that he now has an alive day and attempt a very serious attempt on his life. and that does change you. he will forever have a look in his eye that, that cannot be taken away because of that experience and that will be reflected in every speech and every moment of his life from here forward. and as was discussed in the interim i expect there to be a reflection on that day how that carries him forward how that reflects to him on the time that we have in the time that he has to work on this country. >> congressman i have to say up to this 0.1 of the most emotional moments of the entire convention was hearing from gold-star families last night, they named their loved ones and the audience here was not only receptive, they were chanting the names of their loved ones those killed at abbey gate during a suicide bombing and the withdrawal from afghanistan. what did that moment mean to you as a former service? >> i know those families well, i see them in dc often we have a lot of time together you saw the emotion from them and the reason even a couple of years

later that there's still so much emotion, none of us, most of us can put ourselves through losing our children. but the reason that's still so much like an open wound is because of the biden administration, you have an administration that goes through every day, say, well, the withdrawal was his success. nothing went wrong oh, i don't believe what you saw with your own eyes. there was nothing that could have been done better. this was you know, couldn't have been prevented. nothing could have stopped this. that keeps this in open wound for those families day in, day out there is something notable to me about their effort to describe the relationship with donald trump is someone who cares about service members as someone who held their hands through a very difficult time, in part because there's this contrast and we don't need to get into the details. >> i know you've you've heard of former top military officials who worked with donald trump, who've come out on the record and put their names to statements that they say that they've heard him say things about people that have

sacrificed everything for this country, calling them suckers and losers. there's also in the past his criticism of john mccain saying he, he likes people that weren't captured. i'm wondering how you sort of balance those two narratives of donald trump's view, donald trump loves our veterans, loves our military, doesn't want to see them engaged in war without the most serious of purpose doesn't want to see war take place without the calculation of how do you take care of those, those that go to war after they come home, he's the man that you see photos of him embracing, hugging, kissing the american flight because he loves this place that much. >> and the people that defended, he's embraced me. he's given me how when he sees veterans are service members that are hanging out, eating somewhere on guard. someone, hey, did you guys get a meal? hey, do you guys have how's your accommodations? is there anything that i can have? he takes care of it out of his own pocket and he doesn't know fanfare, he doesn't talk about it with immediate just happens all the time because it's what he does off the cuff because he sees somebody in wants to know

that there are right. and knows that they served our country and absolutely wants to make sure there are that's his heart every day and you have never experienced what others have described as his former chief of staff, john kelly sample loves our veterans he loves our military, doesn't want to see them put into harm's way without the most serious of national security considerations at what this is a man that loves our men and women in uniform to his core to that question about american involvement abroad in conflicts of there is some debate within the republican party about the future of foreign policy. >> not only in ukraine, but potentially in taiwan as well. we heard the republican nominee for the vice presidency, jay-z jd vance sort of talk about foreign policy a little bit in his speech last night, i wonder, what do you think the election of donald trump and jd vance might mean for ukraine and support from nato allies and also for taiwan in the

potential of a chinese invasion, there i'm going to juxtapose this to american media. >> all right? american media, gaslit the american people by pretending as though joe biden isn't in the cognitive state that he is anybody that is acting like that was a surprise wasn't truly reporting to the american people what we could see going on with joe biden every day now, i tie this international security is this foreign intelligence agencies. they don't have the luxury of gaslighting their leaders that they answer to whether chinese intelligence, russian intelligence, you name it. they tell the leaders about what the leader of america's actually he doing, what's their state, what's taking place with them? do they assess that something is going to happen or not when donald trump comes in they will tell their leaders vladimir putin, whatever donald trump says to you, is his red line that is his red line. if he says it's 24, 48 hours, if he says it's 30 days, whatever he says to you, that is a true red line that you can count on. you

can roll the dice if you want. but no, that he is not bluffing year. that makes a difference in american foreign policy. that's something that we can get behind, is that there's a national security objective versus biden mr. ration where the most serious objectives for them, a political security objectives. and i could back that up with proof all day what would you say to a foreign leaders nato allies who are concerned that the united states might leave the alliance trump is elected. >> donald trump. again, you don't have to look at what you think donald trump will do. look at what donald trump did already. he didn't add the nato alliance. he strengthen the nato alliance and made sure that people were putting in what they committed into nato. if you want, america support, makes sure that you put in your support that you committed to so that we can be a stronger organization, but don't go to russia to get all of your energy. if you're saying to the united states of america we need to use our time troops and treasure to protect you from soviet expansion, which is the purpose of nato, russia and expand it, don't do that,

don't go to them for your energy. your goods, or this, if you will. on our health, that doesn't make any sense. >> congressman brian mast, we have to leave the conversation there. appreciate the perspective, sir. thanks again. the contrast between the two parties could not be more stark right now, this moment in the race for the white house clearly defined by republicans celebrating their nominee, while many democrats are frustrated with there's sources say that former house speaker nancy pelosi is told president biden that polls not only show that he cannot win, but that he'll keep democrats from taking the house if he stays in the race on top of that, right? now, biden is sideline from the campaign trail he's isolated in delaware at the coming down with covid, cnn senior white house correspondent mj lee joins us now, mj give, us the details on this conversation between the former house speaker, nancy pelosi, and the president yeah, are understanding boris, is that nancy pelosi and president biden spoke again within the last week or so and nancy pelosi, in this phone call,

told the president that polling shows that he cannot defeat donald trump in november and that he could really bring down the house with him if he continues seeking a second term. >> now, what our sources have said is that the president responded by being defensive and by pushing back and saying, look, i have seen polls that show that i can win and that at one point in the conversation, and i think that this sort of capture the tenth nature of the conversation up pelosi, ask that mike donilon, the president's senior adviser, also get on the phone so that they can discuss the data. now, this would mark the second known conversation in between nancy pelosi and the president ever since the debate, we know that they spoke in early july as well. but not of our sources to be clear indicated whether the former house speaker told the president in this private conversation that she believes that the president needed to get out of the race. but as boris is, you know, very well, she is somebody that has incredible sway and influence within her party. we know that she has spent weeks taking an incoming hearing from concern members and really getting a

feel for where everybody in the house, democratic caucus stands so the fact that she has been so blonde with the president in a private conversation like this. certainly speaks volumes mj lee, live from the white house. >> thank you so much as concerns about biden's candidacy pushed democrats into an awkward spot. the republican party is coalescing around. it center of gravity, whether the fringes want to or not, we'll discuss plus belonging to trump is set to make her highest profile political appearance in years as the trump family prepares to make a show of force at the rnc and a strange new development in the trump assassination investigation after the fed's reveal that an online account bearing the shooter's name doesn't actually belong to him. the details straight away tonight, live from milwaukee, former president trump accepts his party's nomination for the nation's highest office. jake tapper and anderson cooper lead cnn and special live coverage the republican national convention tonight at seven on

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change. they like donald trump the way he is. but i'm curious to see this was a near death experience and has it changed i think in two ways, both in terms of personality, he got obviously comes off with with a certain braggadocio is it going to be a kinder, gentler softer donald trump, within reason he's not going to be mr. rogers. and then in terms of policy, you know, he loves to draw a really sharp, bright lines between his view of the country and joe biden and the democrats few of the country. ai, he's certainly going to make that contrast whether he softens the lines a little bit, will be interesting to see in the interests of all this talk about unity. >> it's notable that so far there have been a lot of folks and specifically family members and even gold star family members that have tried to humanize the former president and do sort of what you suggested. we heard from his granddaughter, we heard from his daughter-in-law, his fiance, daughter fiance, and

i'm not sure how to describe kimberly guilfoyle, but do you think that those moments helped drive that narrative that he's different than the way that the media and democrats have portrayed him to the american people that's certainly what they're trying to do to soften the edges, sand them off a little bit, frankly, we know donald trump we may not know exactly how he is and how he's reacted to this awful shooting event on saturday. but i the fact that his granddaughter loves them or his daughter-in-law says he's a really nice guy. i don't i honestly think it's kind of a waste of time. people know donald trump. they like them, they don't like them i don't think that hearing from a granddaughter that g he's really nice christmas. it gives a nice presence big hugs is going to make a difference. >> yeah, candy and soda sneaked behind, yet dad's back, i guess. the other thought i had chris, the gold-star families

last night. that was a very powerful moment. i don't think that throughout the three days thus far of his convention and we'll see what happens tonight. i don't think that we've seen such i'm moving minute two minutes, three minutes of folks. clearly being a motive at what they were watching going back to the tenor. so conventions that you've been to, how does that moment compared to others? >> but that was a dramatic moment, that was a very effective moment and it wasn't just because it was emotional but because it made a point which was that they were saying that for all of the talk about his expertise and foreign policy chops that joe biden really failed but failed both in terms of policy in the haphazard right? he got out of afghanistan and failed and human waste in the fact that these families didn't feel they'd gotten a satisfactory response from him that that was a very strong moment. and i think that much more than a members of the family gave you a reason or gabe undecided? but at voters and there aren't a

lot of them. a reason to feel more kindly, horizontal trump and less time line towards joe biden. >> chris, before we go, i have to ask you about what's happening on the democratic side joe biden sideline from the campaign trail, even after that disastrous debate and his campaign setting up extra campaign events to sort of put him out for the american people. he's unable to do that right now. there are these reports that nancy pelosi that democratic figures have directly spoken to him about the potential for him getting out of the race how do you see this finance well i have felt ever since the debate, ai, it was not a bad night. >> is that if biden campaign are talked about, it was a disaster and seem to raise real questions about his fitness for another six months, let alone another four years in office i you know, i sense would have said and frankly, if you'd asked me three weeks ago and i've said that biden won't be

able to stay in and will end up dropping out. i would've thought it would have happened a lot quicker than it has and if you asked me today, i guess i'd say i think he'll he'll still drop out, but in the end, it's down the one tough 81-year-old guy who's in delaware with the closest members of his family and his political family and if he decides he's not going to drop out, i don't think the democratic party either cam or will force him if i had to bet your house on it that i'd bet that he's going to drop out and i would just it's interesting just taking it kind of after the shooting and the early parts of the convention that seemed to die down. but now as a conventions about to end the war, getting in a political vacuum again, it feels like it's building up and it may reach a point of no return. i think we'll know by monday at the latest. >> i'm fortunate to not have a house that you could because you're right. i rent might have gotten your two houses well, possibly ai it is crazy

to me that was three weeks ago, was trying to remember a moment ago was like it was at three. >> was it for only three weeks ago? sneaking in one more question, i have you seen a news cycle like this? >> well, yeah, i suppose. i mean, you know, i'm thinking back and in fact involves conventions and raises 1968 the tet offensive in vietnam jean mccarthy almost beating lbj in new hampshire, bobby kennedy gets in the race and lyndon johnson dropped out. i mean, the one thing you know, people have said, well, maybe it's too late to have a new ticket you know, as we see now in three weeks, how much can change it? we're a month away from the beginning of the democratic convention if he dropped out by monday, you can have a whole race and a whole new canada and a whole new ticket and a whole new sense of excitement and a whole new dynamic to the campaign. so a lot can happen in a very short time in this country. >> it's been a roller coaster and we're still in the heat of

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hours from the grand finale of the republican national convention here in milwaukee, where former president trump is set to give his first public remarks. >> since saturday's attempted assassination. his wife melania, and daughter, ivanka trump are both expected to attend. let's discuss that angle. would cnn reporter alayna treene and wall street journal's senior political correspondent, molly ball later, it's been a while since we've seen the first lady at an event like this, what is her being here mean? >> i mean, this is a huge moment. we actually she's only done two public appearances so far since donald trump announced that he was running for election for the third time. and so this is hugely significant. i would also note, you know, she hasn't been here this entire week. some people were wondering if she would show up with donald trump sunday evening sunday night here on the floor particularly given it came after the shooting over the weekend. but i think the fact that she's here at all is a big deal because again, she has been an

incredibly private throughout this entire campaign. >> it's actually quite a shift from his past two campaigns. >> but a lot of that is because his team says that they she wants to stay home. she dictates her own schedule. she's busy raising barron all the excuses but there was also, of course been questions about where she has now tonight, i'm told she's definitely not speaking. neither is ivanka trump or some of the other family members who we have not seen yet, eric trump will be speaking, but there's a question of whether or not she will pier on stage with the former president at some point. from what i'm hearing, i believe she will come up say hello to him. greed has shake hands with him after he speaks is what i'm hearing. >> while the former first lady's role has been interesting throughout trump's foray into politics, given that at her first appearance at the republican convention in 2016, she, her team plagiarized parts of michelle obama's speech during an earlier convention. and she's not really playing a

large role this time around, though she is obviously appearing in the vip box at least today, it looks like she's potentially going up here on stage as well. what do you make of her place in all of us? >> well, i think first of all, it could not be clearer that she does not like politics. and four years in the white house really drove that home to her and people around her have said that, right. and then she has signaled that in every way possible as you've said, throughout this campaign, that she just wants nothing to do with it but she issued that very long and heartfelt statement on sunday after the shooting really it was really uncharacteristic and very fulsome talking about humanity and the need to come together. i think more than anything, he really needs her in this moment, right at a time when he is trying to project an image that is human this, the theme of this whole convention has been about trying to win over four former skeptics of the former president has been about trying to reintroduce him and recast him away from his old divisive polarizing image as a more unifying figure, we'll see

what he says tonight and how he tries to approach that theme. but i think he really needs her to be with him in this moment. she's clearly the reluctant to be too outfront, but she she will be there when he needs her alina, i want to focus on usha vance. >> she actually introduced the republican vice presidential nominee for president last night, j. d. vance. what did you make of her speech? >> i thought she did very well, particularly someone i think it was clear she was a little nervous. she's not someone obviously who has used to the political stage. i mean, jd vance has only been in the senate for a year-and-a-half. that was her first foray. his foot in his campaign for senate in ohio was really her first foray into politics. but i think to molly's point, it was a similar message. it was a humanizing message was talking about personal stories of their family, how they met and that has been the goal, not just for donald trump, as molly pointed out, but also for jd vance, we saw that throughout his vance's speech himself talking about his childhood, his

autobiography. i think she really drove that point home and just one thing i wanted to add to what molly said as well, what's been interesting about this week as donald trump is not someone who likes to be vulnerable, but we are seeing a lot of that vulnerability come out this week. but i am told, i mean, this entire campaign has really been a contrast between strings it's versus weakness. that is what they're trying to portray. portray. and i do think that is going to continue moving forward. this is just an interesting kind of departure from what we're used to seeing, whether it be with jd vance and his family or donald trump and his family like will see tonight molly there was a contrast that struck me as usha vance was speaking in part because she told the story of not only her her union with jd, but how he has embraced her family, a family of immigrants. >> that story being told us they were literally signs being passed around that said mass deportations she could be an asset to this this campaign to sort of try to humanize the trump view of immigration, right yeah, absolutely. >> i mean, i think if you were

to ask jd vance and this things that he said about immigration he would tell you that it's not about hating immigrants. it's about the citizens of this country as he said in his speech, deciding who we do and don't let in but, but absolutely reinforces that message for him to be connected to this immigrant family and to say that this too is the american story. this too is the american dream that he embodies and that she embodies that that is what he's going for, not any kind in dove of racist type of paradigm so i agree with you. i had the same thought watching her that it was it was in during that she seemed a little nervous because you could tell that she hasn't been a public person. she hasn't been a part of something like this. and i think the people want to know these candidates, people want to know him because he's new on the scene. and she really did humanize him in that way. >> molly ball, alayna treene. thanks so much for the conversation for you. stay with

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and might hurt democrats chances in the house. joining us now is democratic congressman adam smith from washington state. he was one of the first democrats to urge the president to step aside. sir. thank you so much for spending part of your afternoon with us. us. do you think that biden is going to step aside or is getting closer to it it seems to be moving in that direction. >> i think there are still conversations being had, but look, the big change that happened just in the last 24 hours, as i think everybody is now getting the impression that the president those around him are taking the concerns very seriously and looking at the challenges going forward. and i think that is a very welcome development. >> it seems to be heading in that direction. >> yes. >> do you think they weren't before? >> i do not certainly in the first week or so after the debate it seemed like the very clear message was nothing to see here.

>> we're fine. we're moving forward. >> and then the frankly that was frustrating to me i guess i think at a minimum given where we were at, given the questions that were being raised about the president's health raised not by me, by the way, by the country. and certainly by the press pool at the white house press briefings. i think they should have taken it more seriously back then, but now i think they are, yes. >> so we hear this reporting from the washington post about president obama. we have reporting on what hakeem jeffries and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi are saying privately to biden do they need to come out and say it publicly yeah. >> i think they're looking at quite well, look the whole point of this is we want to have a discussion about the issues that was on a show a little while ago and i was listening to mike johnson, you know, to talk about how they care about the deficit when donald trump raise the debt and the deficit more than bite and president in any one term in history yeah, we just heard the

conversation before i came on here talking about immigration, the point isn't to denigrate immigrants, donald trump, just nothing but denigrate immigrants. he's called them rapists and murderers. he said that country send us their worst. he's more than once wondered aloud, why are we don't get more? immigrants from norway? >> look, we got to have that fight. we got to go back at the messaging here. that's where we need to get to and as i've said, from the very start, when i came out and said the president should step aside, the reason i'm doing that, as i think that debate showed that at this point president biden is not the best messenger for our message good message got to get it out in second, we're going to be dogged by questions about his health. it seems and i have not seen the polling, but it seems like the data is reflecting that however, those conversations happen, they need to happen so how would this even work i know i've heard concerns that republicans might make some legal challenges if there's ballot change and it seems like all of these things

would need to be figured out before biden would actually decide to step aside. and yet the process of actually figuring that out likely would become public and that could obviously be problematic if there are some legal problems with him stepping aside. how does it work i don't think it's hard at all. >> i mean, he joe biden is not the nominee of the democratic party. he is the presumptive nominee. of the democratic party. >> so how it would work is when are convention. happens, what is it three weeks from now for weeks now we would pick a different nominee and he would he nominated that what you're on the ballot across the country, the democratic party is on the ballot. so we can pick our candidate at our convention as we plan to do yeah, you got to move a little money around. there's some different things that have to go into it. but it's really not that difficult. and i'll tell you the contrary three years now has been asking for a new face for something different. if we responded to that, i think we would get an incredible boost from that it

would the ticket i want to ask you because you said here on at here in a few weeks or three or four weeks, august 1 is sort of i wonder how you see that as a bit of a deadline because there is this, there's a planning call tomorrow for the virtual nomination of biden ahead of the convention. >> and right now, it seems like that could happen as soon as august 1st. its i've been likening this to legally getting married before the wedding. right. but that's still obviously a very important date. is that then actually the deadline is you see it. if biden is considering dropping out, not as yes. >> not as not as ice see we did get that pushed back. they were talking about doing it this weekend. now, pushed it back to august 1, which i guess is what, 13 days away. so there's plenty of time in there also from what i can tell, there's no necessity you doing this virtually before the convention now, we get into some legal niceties that i confess i

haven't examined. but from what i've heard ohio, which was the whole reason for doing the virtual thing in the first place, has changed their rules so that we would be able to be the on the ballot in ohio, even if we did it at our convention, i'm not 100% certain of that, but that's my understanding so i don't think there's a necessity of doing that. >> so then let me ask you though. so should it be scrapped then congressman yeah. >> i mean, there were a number of us in the house who were getting ready to send a letter when they were putting putting well, i'm sorry. when you say scrapped, i want to make sure i'm talking about i you know, i think we ought to go ahead and nominate our nominee at the convention like we're supposed to so but if there's lawyers who have a different interpretation, yeah i guess but it doesn't seem like that to me. i don't see the necessity of speeding up the process here. >> congressman. thank you so much for being with us. congressman adam smith thanks, brianna. >> appreciate the jets and ahead. >> we'll go back to milwaukee, north dakota governor doug

burgum was once on the very shortlist for former president trump's vp and could find a place in his cabinet if trump wins in november, boris, we'll be speaking with him next tonight live from milwaukee, former president trump accepts his party's nomination for the nation's highest office. >> jake tapper and anderson cooper lead cnn special live coverage the republican national convention tonight at seven on cnn and the furniture business. >> things move fast. >> ziprecruiter helps us hire qualified candidate who keep up. we needed a project manager yesterday. we posted a job and ziprecruiter and had our guy onsite in five days he was qualified and everyone ziprecruiter finds the best candidates for all our jobs. >> they helped us build our dream team and he did it fast too fast 44 out of five employers who post on ziprecruiter data quality candidate within the first day try for free at ziprecruiter.co m slash higher stay tuned to

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1871 to 3,800 is cnn the world's news network? >> two days after being tapped as donald trump's running mate, ohio senator jd vance introduced himself to voters in a speech that highlighted the more populist direction. the two aim to take the republican party and the nation that could be seen as the preamble to the event that we're going to watch tonight as foreign president donald trump speaks

to the nation for the first time in a major broadcast speech following his assassination attempt. let's discuss with governor doug burgum of north dakota. he was on trump's shortlist for vice presidential nominee. governor great to be with you. chris rock, or rather knocked chris rock, kid rock, rock on the stage, or short time ago rehearsing for later tonight. he's going to be introducing former president trump. >> i think you're a huge kid rock fan. >> is that is that right? >> well, catherine and i are country western fans. rock is crosses over sometimes and i see he's got his cowboy boots on and he's he's got a cowboy tune that's been modified for tonight. so fun. is the first time i've been on a national tv hit where we've been serenaded by like kid rock in the background. >> i'm wondering what you make of the fact that tonight trump isn't being introduced by a republican governor former republican president, or any lawmakers. >> it's hulk hogan, kid rock, dana white well, i think it's pretty clear to me which is president trump who is in charge of this show.

>> and this is accumulation of a great week of party unity. but this guy is a marketer. he's a salesman in addition to being a great business leader and a tremendous track record from an economic standpoint and world peace standpoint as a president. so he's like, unlike any figure we've had in modern history, where he kind of crosses over and does all this thing. i mean, it's i mean, think of you had an athlete that was also a movie star that was also a singer on broadway president trump's got such a range of what he's been able to do. and so what's he staging tonight is to show what he really is, which is he's a fighter. i mean, of course he's you go back to his years at atlantic city he loved. he knew all the fight promoters and now with ufc, he's friends with the guys from yossi loves go into those events and it's who he is. i mean, when when someone takes literally takes a bullet and then gets up and tells the whole country, i'm ready to go again right now that's, you know, that's just a contrast. so i think it's brilliant what he's doing. i think it's fantastic. i think it's going to broaden the audience is going to increase

the reach. and i think you're going to see again, the voters that are voting putting for the republican party, the platform has simplified 20 point platform. we've never had a platform like that in 50 years that the average american can read like in a minute and understand it. and it's all makes sense. it's all common sense. and so the party become the party of common sense. the party is the party of the working family someone who's working for a paycheck because the policies of president trump help. whether you're an independent, you're a democrat or a republican may help everybody. this isn't about special interest groups, this is about raising the tide for everyone governor, i want to ask you about what i think has been at least to me having watched it up close, the most emotional moment of the convention thus far. and that is gold-star families coming out sharing the story of their loved ones who were killed at the abbey gate suicide bombing during the withdrawal from afghanistan. i know that you have spent some time with gold star families as well. what did that moment mean to you? >> well, it's a i've got a personal connection because and

i've got a personal set of frustration, anger, whatever about this completely not from a political standpoint, but from the completely botched humiliating withdrawal from afghanistan, some viewer might say, oh, he's just saying that as a politician, as a governor, we were heading into the very serious 20th anniversary in north dakota. you're the commander in chief to the north dakota national guard. we lost soldiers in the war on terror between 2001 attack on, on america on 911 and then 2021, were getting ready for this very serious thing to honor the gold-star families, joe biden pulls out of afghanistan because he wants to hit a deadline. and we go ahead with our celebration in memory of these law soldiers. and i had it's end of time with gold star mothers in north dakota who would like, hey, does this mean our son died for nothing because joe biden was just saying, we can pull out and we don't even need to be there. i thought, you know, we've spent our lifetime. morning our son

who died a decade ago because he gave his life for something that matters to this country now apparently it doesn't well i think that there has been some some irreparable rips between joe biden and goldstar family, whether they're whether they're ones that died earlier in the war on terror and afghanistan are the ones that are part of the botched withdrawal. >> i have to ask you, governor, and in light of that, i think these families were trying to and to show the personal connection that they have with former president trump and how he's alleviated some of their very personal stories that they shared there is a marked difference between that donald trump and the donald trump that's been described by some of the former military officials that worked for him his former chief of staff, john kelly, a gold star father himself, a four-star general, and a group of others that trump has criticized who have come out and said that he has said things to them personally, and they've said this on the record that have described our service members as suckers and losers saying that he didn't want to go to a cemetery in france that he didn't want to

be seen with amputees. how do you square this description from john kelly of president trump with what you heard from those gold-star families well, i think one of the things that's frustrating for me as i've also seen, the there is 19 people that were with president trump on his staff including other military people that said he never said that's so we can keep trying to litigate he said she said kind of stuff or we can just look at the person and i've never been an event with president trump, doesn't matter whether it's a rally or a fundraiser where he's not taking time to get a picture with those people in uniform, whether it's law enforcement, local responders whether it's the military. >> i think the support that he has from the military, i think it speaks for itself from law enforcement speaks for itself. this is a person that cares about the people that are willing to put their lives on the line. and i think he's in even and even about talking about his own secret service that were there to surround him last saturday. i mean, this is

a man that respects people that have the courage to put themselves out in the arena. >> governor, i have to ask you one more question. how does secretary of the interior doug burgum sound to you i think all of us, secretary speculation. >> i think we're now up to eight different cabinets that have been suggested. there are some big issues in all of them. certainly an interior we're bureau of indian affairs. there's things that are going on there that are atrocities that are not talked about. but whether it's bureau of indian education, indian health services, there's things that that are really need to be fixed for those over 500 tribes that'll nations who are suffering in poverty and addiction in being held back by a federal system but then bureau of land management is one of the folks that is not following the law and not holding leases. that's one of the agency's under the bureau department of interior we've got a balance sheet in america which is huge, and we've got

all these natural resources, but we're not developing were buying our oil and gas from overseas, were not sending our resources that we can develop cleanly here to our allies in western europe, japan, south korea, the philippines that's what's part of what's de-stabilizing the world. so there's a lot of things there, but none of those agencies, it doesn't matter. pick pick any cabinet and she present. trump doesn't get the film unless he wins. there's going to be a battle between now and november. these things can tend to it meant might feel if i get closer in the fall, but i think the focus right now isn't about any particular position. i was never supporting him because i was looking for one i got a great job right now. is governor of north dakota and the key here is getting president trump elected governor. >> we appreciate your sharing your perspective and enduring some of the towns behind us while we're trying to her we conversations it appears that despite my sinister efforts, employees are still managing their own hr and payroll why would you think mere humans deserve to do their own

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