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trying to be pushed out. i'm brianna keilar alongside boris sanchez here in washington and today, a growing number of democrats are calling for president biden in drop his reelection bid. the total is now over 30. it has gone up from the beginning of our show, in fact, and we're learning that house democratic leader hakeem jeffries freeze and his team are not discouraging members from continuing to speak out against joe biden's candidacy but it appears his campaign is not listening to doubters were told that vice president kamala harris will join a call with donors this afternoon. >> this is actually video from a short time ago where she was visiting an ice cream shop in washington, dc with her nieces. >> this all comes not long after president biden released his own statement saying he's looking forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week. >> once he recovers from covid let's bring in cnn senior white house correspondent, mj lee, because mj, you have some new reporting on how the biden campaign is now trying to rally the troops, walk us through it. >> yeah. i mean, we're told that there was an all campaign

staff call earlier today. >> those happen with some regularity. so that's not unusual, but campaign chair jen o'malley dillon said on this call that they are focused on voter contact right now. obviously, the president has made clear that he is staying in the race and the campaign it's really telling their staff what we are doing is reaching out to voters. she said at one point when you give me polls, i'm going to give you a direct voter contact. i'm also told that she said people in our country are not watching cable news just on the voter contact part reason that this is significant is because this is sort of the central argument that we are starting to see from the campaign on the reason for the president staying and they're essentially saying what is more important to us right now than what the polls are telling us is what the voters are telling us. and o'malley, dillon did talk about this a little well, that on the air earlier today, take a listen we go out and we're door-knocking just this week. >> so this isn't in the past. this is this week. did about 100,000 door knocks 76% of those people we knocked on

doors and we talked to are with joe biden about 16% or so. that's undecided. they have questions is, he in this race? what's going to happen and then a small percentage that are not available to us yes. >> so this argument that they are just going to be listening to voters. i mean, that is going to be so central as the campaign continues getting more and more pushback from members saying he didn't he to dropout. i think it's not a coincidence that we've heard the president himself repeatedly saying, since the debate, i can't just discount the millions of people that participated in the process and voted for me. i think the problem is that, you know, who else is listening to voters are members of congress. they're going home and hearing from a lot of people that are concerned and think that the president needs it's to get out. >> yeah, they're also noting that people cast those ballots before the debate. so that's something else. mj. thank you so much joining us now we have ron brownstein, cnn senior political analyst and senior editor for the atlantic planting and chuck rocha

democratic strategist and former senior adviser to bernie sanders and 2016 and bernie sanders is 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns all right. chuck, tell us this moment that we're at right now in this race. how would you describe where we're at on the democratic side of things? >> let's say controlled chaos. i think that there's trying to be controlled with the party not run a presidential campaign and one of the few people who has, and what you saw, jen o'malley doing is trying to get a handle on it? when you talk about having an all-staff call, those don't happen all the time, but they happened at times of tragedy. i was running a presidential campaign when a guy had a heart attack one time in nevada, i was in the office and bernie's office when that went down, we had to control things and get control over emotions and that's what you see now, the hardest part of this is what you're reporting on now is all of these members of congress though, people that he's worked with, he's an animal of the senate like this is really hard when you start hearing rumors about nancy pelosi. but right now the campaign wants to control this and keep people focused on

thousands of doors that they're not going to infrastructure that they're built, their fund raising. this is where they want to you talking about. >> yeah. they're certainly focused on that when they tried to justify him staying in the race compared to some of the polling. and in some of these concerns surgeons from lawmakers i'm wondering what you make of the sort of discrepancy in some of the reporting where we're hearing the campaign publicly say he's staying in he's not getting out and yet privately from sources close to the president, he's asking questions about whether the folks around him believed that kamala harris would be a better candidate to be donald trump? >> i think part of that is folks that you get to see on camera there actually speaking and putting their name in their faces to things and then folks who are being unnamed sources, i'll tell you this about presidential campaigns. there's only a small group of people. everybody likes to claim that they know about running campaigns, but they never really run a campaign or been in the room, as they say in hamilton, where it happens, there's only a small group of people actually talking to the president and the ones that you're seeing are the ones you see on tv. tv one, there's other folks who are unnamed. >> ron, what are you listening to? i mean, let's just point

out, biden, ally, senator chris coons is saying that he thinks he believes biden is weighing who the best candidate is to be trump. you have a keen jeffrey's, the leader of democrats in the house, skirting questions of whether biden is strong ms candidate, and not discouraging his caucus members from saying they think biden should step aside and you also have congressman seth moulton writing an op-ed for the boston globe saying that for the first time in normandy, biden did not recognize seem to recognize who he was. you know, what what data points are you looking at look, i think the as chuck puts at the people who have been in the room at the senior levels of democratic presidential campaigns. >> i've talked to almost all of them in the last two weeks overwhelmingly, they do not believe that joe biden can recover to win. i think donors overwhelmingly do not believe that he can recover to win and that has a real bite on self-fulfilling prophecy to

some extent i think elected officials who were very hesitant to challenge him publicly because they have great respect for biden. and the phrase i heard a week ago often was we have to give him the grace and the space to do this. they are growing more and more impatient. i mean, you know, if you look at the alternative, which is most likely rallying around vice president kamala harris. i think democrats believe she may have a lower floor but she almost certainly has a higher ceiling, you know with biden you are kind of locked in concrete at this point where the president is we're we're reading has been stuck at 40% or below since the summer of 23, 70% saying he's too old. most people who had been in the room to use truck sprays do not believe you can recover from that despite all the resistance to trump and with harris go badly, but at least there's more fluidity in the situation and the opportunity to reignite some excitement in the democratic coalition. >> i want to go back to chuck because there is this question

of what happens if biden decides that he's stepping out of the race and just before we went on air, you were sort of describing the scenario at the convention. i'm wondering if you could share that with our viewers and then sort of give us your perspective on how it works out with candidate dynamics who could wind up at the top of the ticket. >> i've been to every convention since 1996 when i still had hair and skinny a long time of i've seen these conventions and what i'm getting at there is that every convention is to say in the ucl those great signs like you saw at the republican convention and the delegates literally get to nominate who they are, but they here's a provision as you both know, and have reported on where you don't have to be with who's with you in case something like this happens, which opens up the floor for nominations like they used to do when the old days in smoke-filled backrooms, when the party actually decided who the nominee would be. and so that's what you would see if big if somebody didn't run but the president didn't run, they would have to open up that nomination and lots of folks, i think lots of people would get into the race and i think lots of people right now trying to

position himself through unnamed sources and other things going on top of those tickets. >> what ron what would that look like in this race if you saw that happening in also, can you speak to something that we've heard some democrats who are standing behind biden say, which is once you get into that chaos with the money that's been raised, you could see legal challenges from republicans and then it's a who knows? those, what's going to happen yeah. >> briana, the analogy i often hear from top democratic strategists is that if you are in a car that is speeding toward a cliff, there is a risk of jumping out of the door while the car is still moving there's probably a bigger risk of staying in the car as it goes over the cliff. thelma and louise, notwithstanding. >> and i think that's what democrats view. >> i mean, there are obviously lots of problems with switching at this late date, but i think by and large democrats feel that it would be relatively seamless in terms of the the money and the organizational structure to move from biden to harris and i unless shore than chuck, that there would be a

full-throated process. i think that you know, obviously it would be open technically but the candidates who a large number of delegates might think would be a stronger option than harris. gretchen whitmer, a gavin newsom's, have already said they would not challenge her, and i questioned whether anyone who is a full-scale top tier challenger would want to put their hat in the ring against the first female vice president of color at this moment, i think the party could coalesce around her pretty quickly and there could be excitement for a ticket that would either be harris shapiro, josh shapiro, the governor of pennsylvania, or harris-whitmer the governor of michigan, who would be a real roll of the dice and potentially a lot of excitement as the first all female take it. so i actually think if biden steps aside, that would not be anything approaching civil war. i think climbing that first mountain of nudging him out. i'm not sure how many people have the stomach for the climbing a second mountain of bypassing her and the party, i think

would feel by and enlarge a sense of relief, not everybody. there. a lot of people who want to stick with biden but i think the consensus in the party is clearly moving toward the position that he cannot win. and therefore, if we want to save not only him, but potentially last 0.8, democratic senate seats in states where he is now trailing that to be a deficit that could last in the senate all the way to 2030, which would leave republicans plenty of time to confirm successors to alito and thomas and thus control the supreme court until 2050. so the stakes are really high here. and what democrats decide in the next few days interesting. >> well, gentlemen, you leave us with a range of options, a range of outcomes, i should say for what he convention if joe biden is not at the top of the ticket, could be chuck ron. thank you so much. >> we appreciate it thank you and on the gop side of the race, the full republican ticket will hit the trail for the first time tomorrow former president trump and his running mate, jd vance, will be in grand rapids, michigan. that's of course, one of the swing

states that the biden campaign says is crucial in biden's blue wall strategy yeah, but trump is confident he's going to be a metaphorical wrecking ball in infused by some major post-convention energy. let's go to grand rapids now with cnn's kristen holmes. kristen trump's republican national convention speech started, off about unity. and then i could actually see from my vantage point last night when he started veering off the teleprompter. and that's when it went into the territory that were more often used to seeing donald trump go talking about a stolen election, essentially usual partisan rhetoric. do you think we're going to see a repeat of that on saturday yeah boris, i could also see the teleprompter. >> there was one period of time where i'm fairly certain it didn't move for roughly ten minutes at all, so i think that was probably the point where some of his allies we're holding themselves really tied the same allies were telling us that he was going to deliver a full hour long speech on unity and ending political divisiveness. now what we think we're going to see on

saturday, what we learned from yesterday is that donald trump is donald trump, he is going to continue to campaign on the same exact thing that he thinks makes him popular and really is red he, to his conservative base talking about immigration, as you said, talking about a stolen election. but what we're looking for tomorrow is not necessarily that speech we already saw him go so off topic and get away from this idea of unity. what we're looking for now is how he interacts with jd vance. this is his vice presidential candidate thing to keep in mind is that so many people around us told us that part of the reason he chose jd vance as his running mate was because of the chemistry they had because of the connection they had. we're going to possibly be able to he that for the first time on stage tomorrow so far we've really just seen them kind of sitting next to each other. we've seen some reaction shots of each other looking at each other when they speak, but not actually seeing how they run a campaign together. and this is going to be our first opportunity for that. boris. >> the other thing to keep in mind is that this is the first rally since that assassination attempt last saturday so what

we're also so watching for, what have they done to change the atmosphere and security to make it better protected for both president trump for the crowd end for now, the vice presidential nominee, jd vance. we are hearing that this is going to be incredibly secure. that's going to have more security than they've ever had at a rally because they've had to breathing protocol et cetera. but what that looks like, we'll wait and see one thing to note, this rally tomorrow is inside notable given that the secret service had expressed some trust trepidation about having these outdoor rallies, though it wasn't an express concern about the one that we saw last weekend as far as our reporting indicates kristen holmes. >> thanks so much for the reporting. still ahead on cnn news central school shooters and bombed building instructions to things that investigators say the man who shot donald trump was researching. and the days and weeks before the attack, plus chaos and confusion around the world is a huge tech outage is hitting everything from airports cell towers, two banks

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crowdstrike crowdstrike is blaming a routine software update for the chaos and not a cyber attack. the company says the problem is slowly but surely being fixed. let's go now to atlanta's hartsfield jackson international airport with cnn's isa away, little solace. she's been tracking this chaos all day. what's the situation like now? >> hey, boris and brianna, it's looking quite a bit different. you might remember all those crowds that we saw just hours ago, a lot of that has thinned out. certainly, because a lot of them had been rebooked for tomorrow maro. so who knows if that's sort of kicking the can down the road, if more headaches or to be expected tomorrow. but i have also noticed this. it appears that some of the systems on these airlines have come back into order. i'm seeing people now working the kiosks before that was not possible. we were actually seeing airline staff having to check people in manually calling out flights by

city, by flight number, an order prioritizing them by their departure time. so huge headache, we saw those huge lines of people just waiting for answers hoping and praying that they could in fact make their flight. this is the world's busiest airport, hartsville hartsfield, jackson, but it is also the airport with the most cancellations in the u.s so far over 600 delays or cancellations at this airports today alone. let me now introduce you to kiah, a passenger. you actually slept here overnight yesterday because you had issues yesterday getting a flight. what happened with this outage? >> basically my flight got canceled because we will have enough flight attendants. are we boarded the plane. they made us deboer come out to play. wait two more hours. just thought i can capital to find and tell us that he didn't have any flag with him as for the flight. >> and then you wake up in the airport. i'm sure uncomfortable to this madness. what happened then in trying to get another flight, get this

resolved. obviously, it didn't work i couldn't get another fight. reba because the fifth time it down i couldn't get any voucher for food hotel, nothing that can't give me anything. i asked him what is the protocol for it is because i'm just stating her sleep on the floor and i'm not provided me with any information. they don't know. they just they don't know. you just have to wait. i've been awaiting her for 19 hours ten hours. >> are you sleeping here again tonight? >> it seems that if they impact is going to have to see not because out of the flights for today, our books. so i can even get nothing for it today. i will have to get something for tomorrow. so i guess i'm on the floor again. >> yeah. and my gosh, you're trying to go back home to los angeles, back to work. how would you describe what you i've been feeling like dealing with this madness. her hurt, that felt like i'm going to show it in a state like i don't know what i don't i don't know what to do. and i'm just going to have to get to work. i have bills to pay yala inconvenience and my life. and i'm not fortunate enough

to have monday to just go get a hotel room and then ai i pay me back. i'm not fortunate that they don't know with my pac look like thank you so much and wishing you the best of luck in getting this resolved boris, brianna, obviously, this has been you chatted with real life consequences to passengers, many of whom i've spoken with today, trying to make funerals, weddings, family reunions important life moments sporting events, and still no answers yeah, that is a pain to say the least, these are ready for solace live from atlanta. thank you so much. >> we're joined now by jordan ray, kelly. she served as the director for cyber incident response on the national security council. she's now the head of cybersecurity for the americas at fti consulting. thanks so much for being with us just overall, what do you make of this issue? how does this this happen to someone who doesn't really understand cybersecurity? >> well, i think there's going to be a lot of discussions to figure out exactly what happened and how it happened.

but i think at a at a broad level, what we can tell is that this is a real indicator of the global connectivity of all of our systems being reliant on similar software, similar infrastructure. and so i really think because this is a wake-up call for people to have a better understanding of what their plans are for business continuity, disaster recovery. those are the questions we should be asking while people really look at how this happened and what could have been done differently. i also wonder what this reveals about vulnerabilities and i mean, this is something this was accidental. it sounds like, but it's having the same impact as something that was nefarious and what this could reveal about that going forward i think if you're a bad guy, you're certainly looking at these headlines today and saying, gosh, this would be an easy way to really cause a lot of damage are wreak havoc. >> and that is scary. i think those of us that live in breathe cybersecurity every day are not surprised by that, but for others, they may be realizing this today is there sleeping on the airport floor in atlanta? i think that it may

be unavoidable in some ways, but it's certainly a wake-up call to recognize how much of our day-to-day lives are really reliant on this type of infrastructure. >> what can be done now to mitigate the problem is there, i know there were working on a quick patch. there were some signs that essentially appointed to that some things were back online. but then you have like ups and fedex saying it's actually going to take a couple of days before we can get your stuff is there any simple fix? >> it's never easy when it comes to correcting issues like this, even if they're very small. so everyone's going to have to have a lot of patients and calm as they navigate, even though there was obviously, as you mentioned, kind of a quick fix that came out. it's definitely still going to take some time to get back up and running. and this is also a time to be extra vigilant about the risks that you might be facing as an organization when you're offline. to make sure that your employees are aware of your processes to get back up and running. it's definitely gonna be a really sensitive time. >> would it comes to american industry and government culturally. do you think that

we have the right approach to this kind of thing are being proactive rather than reactive well, i'll tell you, were never more proactive than when an incident like this happens, everyone starts making decisions about making investments and making fixes. and then once you get back up and running, it's easy to say, well, i think we've got it under control. so i think that our culture has shifted in the right way, particularly in the last ten years. >> but these incidents when they do happen and there's so chaotic, i think they really should be an indicator to businesses that you need to take a very proactive stance when it comes to cybersecurity, make investments and make the right choices. >> they're going to make it easy to recover correct me if i'm wrong, but my understanding is that a huge part of the problem is that a lot of these businesses it has relied on just crowdstrike to handle their cybersecurity. >> why did they all go that direction? because i know there are a lot of different organizations that offer that sort of cybersecurity right there are very reputable company they've made lots of investments in and cybersecurity. >> a lot of friends and

colleagues that work there. so they're great organization. i don't think that this should be thought of as something that we would just really pin on them. there's going to have to be some discussions. these types of things do to happen when you're making updates to programs, encodes well, jordon rooney, kelly, we appreciate the perspective. thanks for having me so we're getting new details about what's being described as a rah, rah pep-talk. >> that president biden's campaign chair gave to his staff this afternoon on the call biden campaign chair jen o'malley, dillon insisted that president biden has been hearing from voters are on his side and want him to keep going. and that those voices count for more than anything. house is going to speak with a democratic lawmaker, were going to be speaking with the democratic lawmaker about what he's hearing from his constituents next erin burnett outfront tonight at seven on cnn, if you're about to replace your roof stop, there's a solution about 80% less expensive, nine out of ten

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for having me on brianna. yeah. and i've been consistent with this. i think joe biden has been a great president, probably one of the most effective presidents in my lifetime but campaigns are about winning and losing. and there's no second place trophy. so this has to be an objective decision based on what are we seeing in polling data? what are we seeing down-ballot in the senate races, the house races, and then what's happening on the fundraising side? >> would you say i mean, how would you describe this moment as you were watching your house colleagues come out by the hour and say that he needs to step aside. is this the dam breaking are about to break? >> i think we're all trying to be respectful of a president that we all really adore him. think is a really good president what folks are probably looking at now is poll numbers that are coming back. >> individual members that might be in really tough battleground states a battleground districts seeing their poll numbers slipping,

are watching the president's numbers slip. and i think that's what you're starting to see folks saying. okay, we're getting evidence that he can't win i think that's why you're sitting, just come out earlier this afternoon, you had the chair for biden's campaign, jen o'malley, dillon giving a pep talk to campaign staff. >> and she touched on the importance of voter contacts. she made a similar argument on msnbc to try to refute a spate of bad polling is this a campaign that is reflecting reality in your opinion yeah. >> jen o'malley, dillon is one of our best tactician, so i have all the respect in the world for for the president's got great pollsters on his team. sudden that i've used in the past. so i think he's got good consultants and folks on his team are they sharing the data? is he hearing the data? you hear the reports that the campaigns? i'm pretty insular with a small integrate again, we all have love and respect for president biden. this is

just about who's our best candidate and how can we best win? and thus far, we haven't seen data come out were what the president on saturday on that soon called it's been widely, widely reported. >> didn't go particularly great yeah. no, we we certainly heard that but is this campaign i mean, jen o'malley dillon is talking to they're talking about a slight slippage in the polls if i don't have that quote completely correct, i think my paraphrase is darn near accurate. they're does that reflect the reality though, of what we're saying if we take a look at the battleground state polls here, seven key states trump is ahead in four, he's also ahead and three, but there's no clear leader because it's within the margin of error, so it's a statistical tie in those and that includes states that biden flipped against trump in 2020 when you're talking about internal polls, which i do need to note, cnn doesn't use those polls, but democratic donors are looking at those people inside the party are looking at

those and they're saying, oh my goodness, biden is losing ground to donald trump in 14 key states. they are putting stock in that. do you think the campaign is reflecting this reality in their language? a slight slippage you know, this was always going to be a really close race and the biden reelection would have had to run almost an inside straight up perfect race. we forget the 2020 was less than 100,000 votes across a handful of states. so a slight slippage means you're losing can they make it back? >> i don't i don't want to base this campaign on beating trump based on hope. >> i think we've got to make sure you've got out there and put the best player out there and have an honest, objective conversations side about one person it's about holding on to the white house and preventing donald trump from getting re-elected larry sabato said there is still a path to victory, but he said donald trump has several paths to victory and also to well over.

>> he said, emphasizing well over 300 electoral votes i know that's giving democrats a lot of pause, but i also wonder, as you look towards a convention where joe biden may not be at the top of the ticket, but are your concerns about what that may look like? >> yeah. joe biden, not at the top of the ticket also means we have to come together as a party and figure out what that process is. is it just rallying behind vice president harris? i believe she's ready and i think that's the easiest thing for us to do i'd known the vice president for a long time and she's a tenacious campaigner and she has certainly been by president biden side. if that's not the process, do you have a limited for week sciutto primary with town halls, debates, and then go to the convention and have the delegates in son organized way i'm selected omni but delegates obviously will have their say, write and do you worry about what that may look like even if you have a lot of

the party apparatus rallying behind kamala harris i mean, i would hope that we all come together again if it's the vice president. >> as the heir apparent, or if we have an organized process, i think you will see the party come together because again, we know the threat second, donald trump term. >> he laid it out yesterday in his acceptance speech congressman ami vera. >> thank you so much. this is really an incredible moment that we are out in this race and we appreciate your time speaking with us mr. renin. >> thank you. brianna ghey. well ahead. brand new details about the man who tried to kill former president trump. why investigators think he was he be on the edge, moments that

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main cell phone of this shooter, what they were able to do at least begin to is work on an emerging theory, which is his mindset how he may have been looking forward to conducting some type of mass shooting and they get to that through his cell phone searches searching through for in the recent months for the 20 21 michigan mass shooting at a high school, looking up the shooter himself as well as his parents, parents who were later convicted of involuntary manslaughter out three days after the trump campaign announced this rally here in, in the butler area in the state of pennsylvania. he was searching for well-known political figures, both democrats and republicans. he also looked up former president trump, as well as president biden, didn't appear that he was specifically looking for any sort of political figure. and on the day of the rally, he looked up the exact location pictures the location of trump's speech, as well as a local gun shop that he was

looking for, that he went to and you would buy ammunition according to the authorities. and this is all before he opened been fired at trump at that rally. and again confusing picture that they're building this mindset certainly shows this may not have been politically motivated, but merely convenient yeah, evidence at least to this point, leads to the question of whether this was opportunity versus ideology we know that secret service director kimberly cheatle has been subpoenaed to appear before house makers on capitol hill on monday many lawmakers calling on her to resign. >> what can we expect from her testimony well, certainly from what we saw on that scene on the floor of the rnc, you can that'll be quite contentious. >> the setting will be a house oversight committee. she has been called there. she says that she will testify and that she has said that the buck stops with her. it will there'll be public and it will be televised. so this is certainly a forum for these

lawmakers to air out their differences and to question her in the spotlight in law thank you so much for the reporting. >> still ahead. what the state department says it plans to do next after russia finds an american journalist guilty of spying. and it gives him 60 seen years in prison in a case the u.s. has decried as a sham sunday on the whole story political violence has always threatened monocracy after the attempt on trump's life. >> where does america go from here? the whole story with anderson cooper, political violence, america as bloody history sunday at ten and on cnn my friends call museum i naturally hold a lot of stress in my digestive system as a lot of women do when i started taking dso one, i immediately noticed how much lighter i felt vibrant, alive. >> it really helps me stay regular and you're not

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sentenced to 16 years in prison. >> whelan, who has been held in russia since 2018, says he has sympathy and empathy for the 32-year-old journalist. >> you seeger gershkovich there in the background appearing in a glass cage as the conviction and punishment were read the kremlin never provided evidence that he's a spy and the state department considers both the whelan and gershkovich case they consider both of them as being wrongfully detained cnn's jennifer hansler joins us now, and jennifer, you actually just spoke with paul whelan. what else did he say? >> well, boris and brianna, he said he was able to watch some of the coverage of evan's conviction there today and he said it brought him back to his own conviction about four years ago, he describes that as a surreal experience. you have gone to russia and then be arrested on these charges of espionage. both he and evan we're both charged with that crime that both have been said is completely false. he said it's a really surreal

experience to go through that. and so he felt a lot of sympathy and empathy, as he said, for evan and for evan's family to know exactly what it is to go through that. but he also expressed a good deal of we hope that this development, this sentencing that has been widely condemned as a sham, could open the door for negotiations to bring both him and evan home in past cases with brittney griner, for example, or trevor reed, the russians have wanted a conviction for they would move forward on any negotiations on any potential prisoner swaps to bring these americans home. so paul sees this as a signal that perhaps those negotiations could finally get underway in earnest. and now i asked him whether he had any advice for evan having been in his shoes. now that he has been sentenced to those 16 years in a russian prison camp. and this is what he had to tell me you know, keep a stiff upper lip keeps his chin up, make sure he's

ready for any sort of move they moved me without notice and it was a 2:00 in the morning. >> it took me and put me on a train moscow to mordovia. so he's to be prepared for that sort of thing and just, you know, mentally prepare himself to enter the russian prison system. it's very different. probably than what he's used to in a pretrial center now, whelan has been there for 5.5 years in russian detention. >> so he did feel a lot of sympathy for his fellow american evan there who has also been declared wrongfully detained jennifer, what is the state department's saying about this? well, right now they are saying they are working every single day to try to bring home both evan and paul from russia, secretary of state antony blinken was actually asked about that earlier this morning at the aspen security forum. and this is what he said at the time any effort to bring any american

home he is going to be part of a process of back-and-forth discussion, potentially even negotiation and depending on what the other side is looking for, they'll reach their own conclusions about whether it meets whatever their needs are. and we can and bring someone home and i don't think that's dependent on an election in the united states or anywhere else so as you hear their blinken is downplaying the potential impact of the 2024 election. >> he thinks that this can still be worked on under the biden administration. and we also heard from the russian foreign minister earlier this week, sergei lavrov that there are discussions underway to potentially reach a deal to get these two americans home. brianna, boris, jennifer hansler. >> thank you so much. we do appreciate that update. we're still following the rapidly developing situation for president biden and his reelection campaign as the number of democratic lawmakers asking him to step aside from his bid for reelection has now

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