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government there are other us citizens held in russia like paul whelan, a former marine, sentenced in 2020 to 16 years for spying. >> and also designated by washington has wrongly detained dual citizens send your karelina and amateur ballerina from la and journalist alsu kurmasheva are also in custody. >> yossi gordon black has all gordon black, a staff sergeant in the u.s. >> army and us school teacher marc fogel critics suspect the kremlin has been collecting us citizens as bargaining chips for a future deal with any country. but even now, that deal could still be months or perhaps years away matthew chance, cnn, london thanks to matthew and thanks to you, anderson starts now tonight on
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three city new reporting from legendary journalist carl bernstein on president biden's anger, those trying to force him to withdraw. >> also, new details on the mindset of the gunmen and lapses susan security after the attempted assassination of the former president last week and later, how a simple software update turned into one of the biggest global tech meltdowns in history. good evening. we start with breaking news that new reporting from veteran journalist carl bernstein on the immediate future of president biden's campaign and the powerbrokers and major donors inside his own party trying to get the president to stop. it comes as a source tells cnn that president biden at home in delaware and recovering from covid is quote, seething at the pressure campaign and those behind it. today, nearly a dozen democratic lawmakers came out in a steady progression calling on the former president to withdraw 34 congressional democrats now want him to give up his campaign. democratic lawmaker tells cnn that house democratic leader hakeem jeffries is not discouraging more members from doing so. today he's defections include
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senior and younger members of the democratic caucus progressive member progressives, also members of the hispanic and black cox's, as well as a third and fourth senator. also today, congressman seth moulton, who called on president biden to exit about two weeks ago expanded on his reasons, an opinion piece in the boston globe writing and i quote, more recently i saw him in a small group at normandy for the 80th anniversary of d-day for the first time, he didn't seem to recognize me. of course that can happen as anyone ages, but as i watched the disastrous debate a few weeks ago, i have to admit that what i saw in normandy was part of a deeper problem that's a comment that could renew concerns about biden's ability to serve another four years. but also unlike most other police, to withdraw concerns about his ability to serve now, today's rounded defections follow more uncomfortable moment for the biden campaign this week including an interview with the bet network that was taped tuesday, in which he appeared to stumble over the name of his secretary of defense, lloyd but austin look at the heat on gannett because i named a
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sector defense, a black man named ketanji brown because of the people i've been aid no indication that pressure tactics are working. >> biden's campaign today said there is, quote, no plan for an alternative nominee. and the president himself issued a statement saying, quote, i look forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week. meanwhile, vice president harris tried to reassure donors on a phone call that quote, we are going to win this election and quote, biden's campaign chair also made a rare they're tv parents today absolutely. >> the president's in this race, you've heard him say that time and time again. he's also hearing from voters and what they're saying is we've got you joe, we are in this stay with us for every person that said that they are concerned, we've had another person that's seen him and have said, you are our guy and we want to be with you while the campaign chair suggests voters on the ground still back the president. a poll by the associated press and national opinion research center conducted last week shows that about 65% of democrats believe
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president should withdraw. that. we should note the democratic national convention begins august 19th, exactly one month from today. bernstein joins us now with his new reporting. so talk about what you have learned about frozen biden's candidacy au the president himself, who is now moved from being what was called contemplative about his situation to recognition that it is very unlikely that his can you see can be sustained and it's true of his family as well the president is angry. >> he feels abandoned. word abandon was used several times in discussions. i've had with people in the white house that people that he is supported through his political career and helped advance through the the latter of leadership in washington. have now turned their back on. i mean, his view and in a really ugly way and his wife, his son, hunter are saying, what is the matter with
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these people who you've brought through this process? where's their loyalty where is their appreciation? for what you've done? but meanwhile, you have a hell of a mess. it's somebody put it in, that biden has to leave his campaign assuming he's going to in an orderly way in which he's recognized for his achievements on behalf of the party that will come venue and hopefully, we'll put forth a nominee who is a successful candidate to succeed him in the presidency. but right now, you have a really ugly scene of round the president around leadership of the house and the senate at whom he's angry we've never been in place quite like this before. >> so i mean, you're talking about leadership of the house and senate. is there anyone in particular he's, he's disappointed in. i mean, have you been given names yes. >> he is particularly angry and
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disappointed at chuck schumer, the senate majority leader he's angry and disappointed and fields was abandoned by his old friend, nancy pelosi. he has trouble recognizing why these folks would turn their backs on him given what he sees as his accomplishments. but now there's also the question of donors and fundraising because the money he has dried up and there was i was told about an extraordinary meeting zoom meeting last wednesday involving the top donors and fundraisers for biden, who said not another penny was the phrase that was used several times, not a another penny. not only to the biden campaign, but to the house and senate democrats, because the message that these donors and bundlers wanted to convey to chuck schumer especially to hakeem
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jeffries, was we must have this election go forth without joe biden being our candidate in you need to do more mr. leader. mr. leader, plural to ensure that he is not going to be the candidate so we have kind of retribution almost felt in the air and it's not a very pretty seen and on that call, did these donors talk about who their preferred candidate would be if the president leaves? interestingly enough, they said they wanted an open process in which kamala harris would not be, quote, anointed, that she would have to compete to be the presidential nominee along with everybody else somewhere along that, the proposal put forth by james car carville, in which there would be a kind of open primary preparatory to the
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convention in which the presidential nominee would be chosen. but there also is a movement among biden's aides and those who have served in law for so long, they want to see this and with a pretty picture they want to see this end with joe biden and the democratic party looking like winners, not like losers and right now, there is a kind of chaos that is prevailing and people are looking for a way out there talking about monday as a possible time for for the president to, in some way make an announcement or have an announcement be made, that he will no longer be the candidate for president of the united states, of his party, not a definite monday pick, but it's looking that way. but there's an awful lot of work to smooth these rough edges it's out carl bernstein, fascinating. >> i'm joined now. thank you.
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i'm joined now by democratic strategist, maria cardona, former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod ashley allison, former national coalitions campaign for the 2020. biden-harris campaign, and democratic strategist paul begala david, i mean, 24 hours ago felt like the president's campaign could be nearing an end sooner rather than later tonight, he and his team they're making public statements that he's continuing. what do you expect to see in the next day or two? what do you make of this reporting by carl well, look, i expect that they would continue to say such things until such time that they've changed that he's changed his mind because you want to keep your options open i would hope and i expect that while he's up in rehoboth recovering from covid, that he'll take the time to meet with his family and meet with his aides and really evaluate where he is in this race you know, he keeps confusing if the reporting is correct disrespect
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for his record with concern about what happens moving forward and what happens in this election. >> two things can be true at once. people can have deep affection and respect for him and the things that he's accomplished, not just as president over, but over 50 years and still recognize that he is not in a position to win this race. and that as he has said, this is a race of it existential importance, not just to the democratic party, but to the country. i think that's what's going on here. and i hope that people will say to him don't personalize this as an attack on you. understand that? >> people want to win this election because the election is of extraordinary consequence and to the extent that you step aside to allow that to happen that only enlarge as you that doesn't diminish you yeah. i mean, in many regards, wouldn't this via a way to i mean, he says he's not running
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for his legacy, but wouldn't this be a way for him to be seen as doing something for the country, for those democrats who believe that that would be something positive for the country if he stepped aside? >> right? >> right. part of legacy is building a bench and i think biden was right in 2020 when he decided he was the only one able to large field running, he was the only one who could be trapped. >> it's the only issue democrats have then. and now, who can be trump? >> biden won 44 primaries and caucuses 44. he'd never won one before in two campaign thanks for the presidency. he won all of them because democrats decided he was the best one to beat trump. now, democrats are reminded he can't be trump the difference is not because he's had a better, because bit terrific president. it's because they think he's too old and the vast overwhelming majority of americans think he is too old. there's not a strategy to get around that and so yes, the legacy look at nancy pelosi. >> she's even a year to older than the president she handed
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off the gavel. >> she built a very strong bench handed off power to hakeem jeffries and others. the earth turned on its axis. the party succeeded. everything was great and president biden has built a terrific bench starts with the vice president but i can maybe a half a dozen governors who also would beat trump. i think camel harris beats trump, and i think a lot whitmer cooper, bashir, west more in maryland, josh shapiro in pennsylvania. i could go on. >> so i would say mr. president, you you would leave this party in very good hands and then in turn that will lead the country good heads. ashley, i mean what do you think this is? so this is i mean, we've been talking about this for weeks now, but it seems like it is. i mean, it's obviously it has to come to a head what do you make of where we are at right now? >> folks need to make a decision and it seems like the president has made his and that is that he is not dropping out of the race. we are a month out from the convention. and if we go into chicago and joe biden is still the nominee, people
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need to rally behind him. and the only way i see him not being the nominee is that one day he wakes up and says i'm going to step down. >> i'm just david axelrod's point, which is they're going to say he's the nominee. he's going to say he's in until he makes that decision and figure out a way to make the transition, then they'll announcement because they're not going to they're not going to leak it out over days and days and days, right? >> the problem is eve day something else happens. it's friday almost a week ago. we had an assassination attempt on president that none of us could have fathom last night, we saw the former president get up on the stage and give a terrible convention speech, which the night before people were thinking donald trump is going to come and knock it out of the park. so when you have a night like last night with a bad convention speech by donald trump, it gives this is a campaign, a space to do, rethinking, re-evaluating. and so the hard part is that each day it seems like something else happens that moves the ball forward with him, maybe stepping down and then moves the ball back a little bit, which is why a decision just
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has to be a call it and then move forward with the campaign maria is your carles report major donors don't want vice president harris just anointed. >> they want an open process. is it clear to you how that would even work? >> well, there are certainly rules for that, and i think that this has been mentioned, but obviously it warrants mentioning, again and i'm on the rules and bylaws committee. anderson is, you know oh the delegates are promised to pledge to president biden. if he steps down then he could endorse kamala harris. i suspect if he decides to do that, that is exactly what he would do. the delegates, i suspect most of them because they were pledged to president biden and they port him. they will take very seriously that endorsement and would most likely the majority of them will go to her, but they don't have to write. it's not something that is set in stone that that's what they have to do. so i think that this goes
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to whatever the open convention people are talking about, it at all so puts this onto a path of the unknown. and this, i think is what a lot of people who are saying for all of those who are saying that joe biden needs to step aside, what's plan b? we don't know what plan b is and it could very well be that plan b is a lot worse than what we have today. and another thing, anderson that i thank is not getting talked about and called bernstein is a magnificent reporter and i'm sure that everything that he says is true. but what's missing from that and what the white house is hearing from are the grassroots voters. there are millions of grassroots voters who are off at the national democratic party and all of these lawmakers, because they believe they are are trying to silence their their votes, silence their voices. 14 million people voted for president biden, many of them in black and brown communities who will have the most to lose if somebody like donald trump gets into office and they are
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saying we still stand with joe biden and that's what the white house's hearing. they know that the polls have been wrong in the past, and so they're listening to the voters and actually to that point, those same voters then if they saw kamala harris suddenly being tossed aside, that would certainly add to that anger. >> yeah, that would put it some real salt and folks wounds. i mean there was just a letter that was came out with several thousand black woman saying it feels disrespectful for you to ignore our voices in this moment look, i'll just talk about lived experience at this point because that's who i am as organizer and many black people know what it feels like to achieve something great. and then have the goalposts moved and what is happening to kamala harris, whether she was your choice in the primary in 2019 to 2020, whether you really have liked her as a vice president. we know what it feels like to be overlooked and to be disrespected professionally, personally. and
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it's not a great feeling and so if that happens too commonly harrison, this point you have a whole, we always hear black folks are the base of the party. you have a lot of work to do on 100 days to not just get your double-haters and your nikki haley, voters to vote for joe bonnie, but also to get black voters to show up and to get their neighbors to show up. and i just don't know if that's possible. if that happens to kamala harris a lot more. >> everybody stay with us. we're gonna have another round of talks more on the future prison biden's candidacy and why congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez says that, were he to leave, it would not be a quote, easy transition to vice president harris also tonight, breaking news on what the gunman who tried to assassinate the former president was doing leading up to the event. and when investigators have uncovered that could offer more clues every day, more dog people and more reps are deciding its time for fresh approach to pet food they're quitting the kibble and kicking the can and feeding their dogs
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because if you think that's going to be an easy transition, i'm here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and a huge amount of these elites and a huge amount of these folks in these rooms that i see that are pushing for president biden to not be the nominee. >> also are not interested in seeing the vice president being the nominee. will they went out on that? i don't know, but i am here to tell you do not take that for granted do not take that outcome for granted back with our team of political analysts and so paul, you hear congresswoman ocasio-cortez warning of a chaotic open convention or all sorts of legal problems. >> i mean, does this, what does it look like to you? i am i just don't understand what assuming if the president were to say he's not campaigning in the time left before the convention. what do you have
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zoom calls with all the delegates from people who want to be present, united states, and then they go to the convention and then have a public hearing probably a lot of that, but, you know, jim clyburn, whose the man who made joe biden president. >> let's be honest. >> and who has said in the alternative, he would support vice president harris. you want to wisest people in democratic party. >> he called for a mini primary. >> i'm not sure what that means. maybe it means so what i want is public contests. i wanted to come on your show. i wanted to come and go to penn state, go to michigan state, go have rallies, have townhall meetings, have debates. so that people can see vice president harris would be the overwhelming favorite, okay. but my own hope is, even if you're for her, this legitimizes her if and when xi we're to step into that role and there's a lot of other people who still sharpened, still i actually think it'd be great so you would see several weeks before the convention of townhalls on cable networks
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possible debates between various people who want to be president public events where people can kind of see and try out these candidates i would love that. i would let is it risky? yes. president kennedy said, there are risks and costs of a plan of bold action, but they are nothing compared to the risks and costs of inaction. >> and i think that's what democrats i have to waive it. >> i think it would be great. it would be riveting television and meanwhile, the former president is not performing very well. and this would dominate voters attention with a new generation of really talented democrats, ashley, what do you make that argument? i mean, it does sound you'd have a lot of interesting voices with energy trying to make a case and would get a lot of attention. >> that sounds like a great idea for 2023. not this is one of 23. >> we could do seeing bag. i get it. i understand why people will want an open primary. that is what democracy is about. but
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when we go into the convention, again, we'll have about less than 100 days for an election. here's what i will say if we do this open primary process. and it is the delegates that get to decide the nominee democrats are going to have to explain who these delegates are as well. and are they do they actually represented the diversity of this country? do they at how many are people who are lobbyists and how many? and i know the how delegates are selected, but most people in america and most democratic voters don't. so in addition to introducing your candidate, you're going to have this whole story about like, well, who are these folks who are getting to decide? and i again, just another obstacle to clear, is it worth it? >> david axelrod in new york new york times is reporting that president biden is irritated. a foreign prison obama seeing him as a puppet master behind the scenes to push him out. how much do you think president biden's history of being passed over for to run or being pressured by guess, by, or suggested by president biden not to run against hillary clinton. how much? it is sort of being
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passed over by party elites is wrapped up and how he views this moment well, it may be, i don't know. >> i know that he's talked about that and he felt like he could beat donald trump in that election. the reality was in 2015, many people told him his son this died. he was deeply distraught. hillary clinton had a huge head start and bernie sanders had a huge head start. and the question was never whether joe biden could be a strong general election can and the question was, could he win the nomination and by most estimates, the answer was was no so just because you give people advice that they don't want to hear, doesn't mean that you don't care about them or that you don't honor them, or anything like that and that's sort of what's going on right now. nobody is doing joe biden a favor right now. by telling him that he can win this race
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that maria talks about the grassroots, you showed the i think this reflects what's going on out there. 65% of democrats think he should step out of the race. these elected officials who are being lightly dismissed here they have after when among that very grassroot population that we're talking about. and they're hearing from their constituents because at the end of the day, the thing that's important is do we defeat donald trump that is what is important and what gives you the best chance to defeat donald trump. that's what democrats are asking. and themselves, and they've, they are despairing about what they've seen in the last few weeks with the president and they think that we need a change to do that. there were 12 other new members of congress who came out today and asked him to step down because they're worried that he'll not only we lose, but also that there'll be losses up and down
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the line. some of them are people who served with him for many, many years, like sherrod brown of ohio, you can't be mad at all these people they are not all people who are hostile to us. certainly barack obama has love and affection for joe biden and deep appreciation for but he did over eight years as vice president but love and affection may lead you to give advice that he doesn't want to hear. and i hope that he gets past if he is angry as carl suggests, that he gets past this anger and recognizes that this isn't all about it's not about all about him and it's certainly not a condemnation of him. it's about what he has told us that this election is an existential election and democrats need to win this election for the country. and he might not give them the best chance. >> maria, i mean, david mentioned that new polling indicates 65% democrats want president biden dropped out 77% of independents also, think he should how do you how do you
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square biden's decision to stay in the race with those numbers? >> yes. sure. those numbers are terrible, but i think they are thinking of it in different ways. the first one is those numbers. we have been seeing seeing them from the beginning with both president biden and donald trump, the majority of the country did not want this matchup, yet, this is what we have and so i think in their minds they're saying, well, people don't want donald trump either, but he's there. i'm the only one who has beat him before, especially after lats nice last night's horrendous this speech by donald trump. i think they feel that even more that they can absolutely beat donald trump. but here's another part of it as well anderson this is somebody joe biden is somebody who has beat the odds. so many times in his life when people have said he is down and out, and he has risen from the ashes. i think this is one of those times when he believes he can do that as well. and then the other thing i would say just very quickly
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everyone's talking about the scenario of when joe biden decides to step aside and i agree with david axelrod, i don't think anyone's doing this out of malice on the contrary, i think everyone everyone the democratic party, wants to beat donald trump. i think that people need to also think about another alternative, which is what if he stays, what if he is not going to step aside. so these lawmakers and these donors are going to have to make a decision. are they going to sit it out? are they going to continue to criticize him or are they going to come together and support him because that's the only way that we're going to win if they're not going to do that, anderson, then we might as well inaugurate donald trump tonight thanks, everyone. >> we will see coming up. i'll talk with democratic congressman who was on the growing list of members calling for president biden to drop out of the race. >> an alternative to pills, volterra is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel which
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cnn reporting that described the president as seething over pelosi's involvement in attempts to push him out of the race. democratic congressman adam smith, the ranking member of the house armed services committee. he called for president biden to step aside more than a week ago and was also on a phone call with the former president, a group of moderate democrats last weekend, i spoke with him just before air congressman, thanks for joining us. >> do you think more of your democratic colleagues are going to come forward and publicly call for the president to step aside in the coming days. >> yes, i do. and look what what we are witnessing here is the second greatest act of political malpractice from the biden campaign team. and i think this country has ever witnessed admittedly the greatest act was the republican party rallying around donald trump after january 6, leading up to the debate, there were concerns about the precedent. the debate was catastrophic and it hasn't gotten better sense. look, we got a great message. joe biden's done a great job as president. what's clear
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now, he is not the person who can deliver that message and he will be dogged by questions about his health. look, you saw the speech that donald trump gave last tonight. let's go after that joe biden was not capable of doing that debate. >> we've got better nominees, we got a better option continuing to prop him up at this point. it's just really are responsible and we see the impact. it's having on democratic campaigns, senate campaigns across the country to pressure. it's putting on democrats i think it's time for the president to step aside, essentially, you're calling malpractice is the malpractice in your mind the pre fact that ahead of the debate, i mean, talking months ahead of the debate if there was a decline in the president that the people around him did not make that known, and that this wasn't an issue that was resolved long ago or is the malpractice what's happened since the bill that for sure. >> i don't know that for sure. i wasn't around him. they were around what i do know for sure is the second joe biden walked
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off that debate stage. it was obvious to everybody but at that point, he was no longer the capable candidate that we needed to run run the sense that rather than having an honest conversation within the democratic family, but the best step forward campaign dug in and they said there's no problem you know, they ignored it, they didn't deal with it and they continue to press forward even app so much pressure is building to choose a different nominee. look polls show somewhere between 55 and 70% of democrats think that the president should step aside at this point, at this point in the campaign it just can't survive that and we have other better options. the idea that joe biden is the only person come on. well, let me ask you about that your democratic colleague, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, who is supporting president biden, still set on social media that some of the people who are pushing for biden to not be the nominee are also not interested in seeing vice president harris at the top up the ticket. i'm wondering if you are hearing a push for a more open race and
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how you feel about that look, i support vice president harris. >> i think she gives us the strongest chance to win. she's been doing a great job as vice president. obviously, she has the experience prosecutor, attorney general, senator, i've teen her speak at the munich security conference very articulately and passionately about us foreign policy and national security policy. i think she should have to earn it, but i think she will. i think she will announce if the president steps aside, she'll go to the delegates and she'll get that. now, look, there's no thumb on the scale here. this is a very simple process there are roughly 4,000 delegates. those delegates will decide whoever wants to run. joe biden steps aside has to commence them. i think kamala harris will do that and i support her. but no no one is trying to push kamala harris aside. we want to give her an opportunity what in your mind? >> again, i mean, nobody really knows because this is rather remarkable circumstances. but what would the process actually
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look like? i mean, you talk about those thousands of delegates who are the ones who would decide how would the appeals be made. i mean, we're talking zoom, are open debates. what? >> look, there's 4,000 borrowers in this election, okay? and every delegation has a delegation chair and they have people who lead different caucuses. you'd get on the phone, you'd call those delegates yes. >> possible. you would get an organ, you'd pull i don't know how many delegates there are in the state of washington. let's say there is 180. yeah, let's get 180 delegates together. accountable harris get on there and if somebody else house wants to run, they can get on there to look. it's it's a pretty straightforward election and it isn't democratic process. these are the delegates. they will decide. and i think we should let them, but let's not bury the lead here. go back to that debate, you're a democrat, you're someone who's concerned about donald trump. you want someone to be out there fighting for you to win this battle is joe biden and his current capacity, the person that you want? no. we can do better and we should
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try and we have the time to do it congressman adam smith, i really appreciate your time. thank you thanks. >> anderson. >> there's more breaking news ahead tonight. new details on the actions of the trump rally gunman the day before he tried to assassinate the former president and what investigators have now found that could possibly be key to the investigation. our john miller has new reporting introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with four powerful pain fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source for up to eight hours of powerful relief. new abdel targeted relief was at trouble losing weight and keeping same, discover the power of week over to the fbi what we gobi i lost 35 pounds as some lost the war, 46 pounds we go the un keeping the weight off, we go via help you lose weight and keep it off.
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examined that drone, they now believe that around 4:00 shooter launched that drone to get an aerial view of the area outside the secure zone where trump is about to speak. now, anderson, what that means in all likelihood is that the shooter used the drone to get a birds-eye view of those buildings that would have allowed him to see what are the conflict? figurations of those rooftops. were there any personnel stationed on those rooftops like beliefs or a sniper team? how are those rooftops connected between the various buildings in that complex so you could cross from one to another to another and that is what they is there a working theory about what he was doing there? another development that talks about his preparation for this was the day of the shooting, he purchased a five-foot ladder that latter was apparently not used to get him to the roof. apparently, he ended up, according to sources, briefed
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on the investigation climbing on top of an air condition ending unit that they brought him about halfway up. and then boosting himself onto those rooftops. but the latter was missing. now we are told by people who are briefed on the investigation that the latter was found near the suspect's house by the side of the road or workman discovered after driving by at a few times stopped to see if this abandoned latter could be useful and found a backpack that apparently has ties to the suspect as they carry on investigation, they're getting bit by bit closer and closer to a much richer picture of all he did too. who prepare for and get ready for this event and what are authorities saying about how this gunman managed to slip through layers of security at the event. >> i mean spotted by multiple law enforcement and people lost at one point, i guess what and why the trump campaign and we're secret service alerted that there was a potential
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threat to the former president. there so that is kind of the bulls-eye of the questions that the secret service director kim cheatle is going to face down monday before congress, but what we are told by people who have tried to develop this timeline within the cases that the shooter actually went through security through the magnetometers at which point he had to produce this thing he was carrying, which is a rangefinder, something that shooters use to measure distances. >> ai golfers also used them, but at a security screening point when you see a rangefinder that's used in making ballistic calculations, that should set off alarms and did they broadcast over the radio after he left the secure area where they knew once you've gone through the mags, he wasn't armed, but it was carrying this thing and they said, keep an eye on him. of course, he ends up way outside the secure area all of those buildings away later, and then of course, he manages disney's
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up there because the roof john miller thanks very much. >> more to learn today in butler county, pennsylvania. want you to know hundreds of people gathered to pay expects to corey comperatore, who was killed as he protected his wife and two daughters during the trump rally last weekend motorcycles, fire trucks made their way through the area to honor the former fire chief as members of the community line, the roads, many holding signs, it's casket was draped with an american flag on top of one of the fire trucks. and as attributed, the possession made one last ride by his fire station, a private service was held at a church. corey comperatore was 50-years-old this sunday night. be sure to watch my weekend show. the whole story for deeper look at america as long and bloody history of political violence. and its motivations cnn's sarah seidner talks with the families impacted, including former congressman patrick kennedy to glow kennedy kennedy was involved in a shooting at last
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report was hit twice in the head, once in the hip losing king and robert kennedy in the same season was bad enough. but it reminded americans have jfk's assassination less than five years before i was just a baby when my uncle bobby was killed, but i just know what a loss it was not only for there children, my cousins, but a loss for everybody that knew them and knew how much they wanted to change the world they had so much promise and, so much inspiration and hope as part of their whole message from sir, aside your joins us now. i mean, the 1960s head so many just shocking death morning luther king junior, malcolm x, medgar evers, did the people you interviewed and
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talked with feel like or how did they compare that time to the timer now it was interesting talking them through it because they had such a personal story and trauma and they talked about generational trauma that these families have gone through and that the entire country really went through. but when asked about whether or not they thought that we were in a similar time to the 60s. it was varied. some of the family members of presidents who had either been assassinated or who had, there was an attempted assassination said yeah, we're there, we are at an inflection point in this country and they're saying it because they're looking at on social media, they are seeing how political leaders are responding particularly how donald trump, they were really watching him to see how he would respond. but there was also this sense of if we aren't there yet, we're going there. and this is an inflection point and we need to look at ourselves as well as our leaders to try and stop this from moving into a time that can really send us down a terrible road in america.
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>> and you also look at the attempted assassination of ronald reagan in 1981, not a political assassination attempt but he was nearly killed. >> what was the political effect that people told you that? look, we talked to his daughter, patti davis and she was so honest and so wall with us about how she dealt with that moment as a child. and then how she sees the moment we're in. and she talked about she thinks when she hears people say this is not us we are not this, we are not violent. she says, really, i think you need to re-examine that. look at our history for presidents have been assassinated in our history and many others have either been violently attacked or nearly assassinated. her father nearly we assassinated and she said, we are not a nation that is a peaceful nation all the time when you look at our political history, it's actually from almost the very beginning, we were a history. we had a
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history of violence and so she she said we've got to look at ourselves. she said i looked at my timeline after donald trump was nearly assassinated she said, people that i know and care for and know are good people were saying some heinous things because i had to stop looking at it. i was so disturbed and the other thing that really bothered her is when she saw what the crowd dead after the attempted assassination in pennsylvania of former president trump, where the crowd turned to the media and sort of saying fu and being really vitriolic with the media, blaming the media. she said, there is a man who has been killed here, a father, a firefighter, who had been killed, and two others who were terribly injured. and then you had a president nearly assassinated and this is your the response to your fellow americans. so she was really disturbed and she was the one that said, i think we're at or maybe even potentially worse than the 60s, we are going to see this reverberate through the country and she's worried
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there's going to be more violence center. >> thanks so much. appreciate it don't miss service report and a new episode of the whole story. this sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern pacific only on cnn. still ahead tonight. a crippling global tech outage impacting airlines, banks, other businesses, even some 911 services will talk about what caused it and what's being done to get everything back online next if you are shopping for a holiday realtor dot a real commute tool lets you find homes close to work, school but even grandma's house don't all apps do that. not really. >> trust the number one app, real estate professionals trust introducing new advil targeted relief the only topical pain reliever with four powerful pain fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source for up to eight hours of powerful really new advil targeted relief ou know
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a budget reminder hey, smarter, he has a judge auby got it. got it, boss. >> honor. you got this the source with kaitlan collins. next today's massive tech disruption continues to cause chaos. worldwide, one take experts said this could be the largest it outage in history. and us airports alone, thousands of flights are canceled or delayed, delayed, frustrated travelers are stranded. banks, other businesses facing problems, even some hospitals and emergency services are feeling the impact all throughout the day. all of this caused by a cybersecurity firm software update. jason carroll has more it was the blue screen that had customers from critical
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industries worldwide seeing re right now there are eight people in my party hundred and $56 a ticket and they're giving me $100 that is and we're screwed. >> this man is getting married, exciting. when i walked in, i got it straight excited, even all these people, because i was one line couldn't find my flight. that was like that. i do something wrong anger at airports in the u.s. >> canada, asia, and europe as major carriers struggled to deal with the fallout of what had happened, it's been really wild is crazy it's it's crowded. people per saying, yele, the chaos when far beyond air travel, 911 services taking a hit and jurisdictions across the country impacting arizona and alaska. the outage, having a sweeping impact throughout the day, ups and federal express warning of delays the, social security administration closed some of its offices
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while motor vehicle departments in texas, georgia, north carolina, and tennessee had service interruptions, even the department of justice was impacted and president biden was briefed on the unfolding situation around the world confusion international banks as some financial systems were impacted, disruptions at united kingdom's national health system, as well as broadcast network. >> and a major global it outage is impacting many of the world's largest companies cleaning us here at sky news, all due to that massive global technical outage linked to crowdstrike, a cybersecurity provider, the company's ceo well, i apologize for the incident saying it was not a cyber attack, but defect and a software update crowdstrike was doing that crash microsoft windows causing the outage. he also says a fix has been deployed. >> we've been on with our customers all night and working with them many of the customers are rebooting the system and
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it's coming up in and it would be operational because of we fixed it on our end. >> it's still not over. the department of homeland security is working with crowdstrike and microsoft to fully assess and address system outages and it cancellations just continued throughout the early evening here at newark airport crowdstrike, ceo says that it will be a lengthy process before things get bad. >> to normal. he promised full transparency into how all of this happened. he also says the company will take steps to prevent something like this from happening again. >> anderson, jason carroll, thanks. the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins starts. now, have a great weekend saying on the source tonight we have new reporting on president biden's seething at nancy pelosi see as she maneuvers behind the scenes and a new avalanche of democrats calling on him to drop out. >> also inside that phone call today be