>> sheila jackson lee, a democratic congresswoman from texas, has passed away this evening. do you remember she adjusted now is that she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer? after serving for more than 30 years in congress cancer is such a vicious and terrible disease. my own grandmother passed away from pancreatic cancer and the devastation that is left for so many families, far too many families, is just an imaginable on a personal note aside from the professionalism that she is always joan she was overnight long admired and always respected. and in our many conversations on radio on sirius xm, where television right here. and in life, she was an unapologetic champion for women and she welcomed the role of mentor and friend. would this sincerity but i had to tell you so unparalleled in a town like this, whenever i would ask her to come on and extend her mind and insight, she was always gracious, always willing, and always illuminating, and that was long before any of you knew my name

she would answer the call. we're going to have much more on her and her legacy tonight on laura coates live well you know, i've been in washington, dc long enough to know what leaked conversations do mean so apparently it means president biden didn't take someone's hint he didn't take the private or gentle nudging to perhaps step aside. and so now, the sharpest of elbows or out swinging in public and i do mean swinging. look at this. >> we are up to what, 34 plus democrats who want him off the ticket, 12 alone came out today to paraphrase the movie jaws. we're going to need a bigger graphic if this comes up and keeps up. and by all accounts, it will keep up which is why this next bit of reporting is very important to carl

bernstein tonight said that biden is now recognizing that it is quote, very unlikely that his candidacy can be the stained, unquote. now doesn't mean that i've heard something substantial yet. i'm not sure what that really means if it's definitive or not. but it sounds like he sees some kind of writing on the wall because they're not reading it or to him, it spells out the word malarkey biden's campaign is saying they're saying this ad nauseum. he is in this race still. he will stay in this race. he is running, he is the nominees. i can get cut it out. but the democrats who want him out on cutting anything out, they're not giving up and they are plugging their ears, doing the kind of la, la, la, la la moment. as you can imagine, this has made the president quite upset. i mean, really angry, particularly people that he thinks are orchestrating this entire pressure campaign here's carl bernstein he's particularly angry and disappointed at chuck schumer, the senate majority leader.

>> he's angry and disappointed and feels abandoned by his old friend, nancy pelosi he has trouble work recognizing why they he's folks would turn their backs on him given what he sees is his accomplishments while the new york times is adding former president obama to this biden mad list, saying quote, biden is irritated at mr. obama as well, seeing him as the puppet master behind the scenes. >> i don't know if he's pulling the strings or not, but i do know one thing. no one can tell me what's at the end of this threat that we're talking about do people who are making this push to have him out is there a plan to see this through if he does step out? congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez had those very same questions and says, when she brought it up and ask questions about what would come next. she got crickets what i can tell you is

that i have stood up in rooms of folks making these decisions and i have raised these questions and no one had an answer for me well, that's a heck of a cliffhanger not to have an answer to with 100 and what eight days away from a presidential election. >> and now about a month away from convention well, joining me now, nicholas kristof com has been new york times who has known biden for decades he was one of the first to actually call on him to drop out after the debate. nick, thank you for being here this evening i want to read back to you something you've said and i'm quoting you here when you've written there is a surprising subservience within the democratic party to the person of president biden over the goals that democrats say they are committed to achieve. in part, i fear that's cowardice we'll give the number of democrats that are now coming out. do you sense the kind of a shift i i think that's

subservience is fading because i think a lot of democrats had hoped that president biden would withdraw, would get the message. >> and now i think they've done a little more concerned that maybe he isn't getting that message. and so that's why we're seeing more coming out today, including, as you mentioned you know, what doesn't just today. and every moment i'm getting more emails from people who have worked with biden, people who've had long histories of the democratic party are donors who are trying to get that message through. and i think at some point they will i mean, it sounds like he is hearing the message and saying noted. and that's where it ends. i mean, people like aoc are saying democrats are maybe playing with fire given the calendar and not having maybe the next step or the plan. do you agree with her? >> are there risks? absolutely. i mean, are there complexities and transferring the money completely? is there a risk of democrats wounding each other in a fight absolutely. but the trajectory that democrats are on right now, sure. looks as if they will lose the presidency

and very likely lose both houses of congress and so i think that concentrates the mines and i think the other risks are manageable and the prospect of staying with president biden as the nominee looks bigger risk to me and i think most democrats i mean, what do you make of this theory of a circular firing squad that oftentimes democrats are accused. wallen terribly being a part of if this were to play out right now and biden were to step aside and maybe there was a contested election or i mean, convention at some point in time, you leave a gap in time from the moment that's announced. to have not only democrats, but also republicans tried to undermine whoever might be the leading candidate for that. presumably the vice president united states, is that the cost benefit analysis that you think is likely to be successful in the end for democrats so in any contested primary, there is always a risk that people are going to be

irritated. their supporters aren't going to line up behind the eventual winner. but it does seem to me that those risks are manageable, it's just compressed period of time. but one can imagine a number of people coming forward, friend epic interviews, being on your show and you know, and making their pitches to donors as well. and then in the run-up to the convention, it's obviously a short period seeing who thrives who, who seems to do best polling. and i think that democrats are so eager to actually win the presidency, to win the congress, that there would be strong pressure to then rally around that person who did emerge but like quick like that because while you've known for decades is all of this the potential to have it backfire and biden to say, i'm staying in no matter what, just to beat the odds boy, that's something i really worry about. >> i mean there is some real risks that he stays in the race and then what i'm writing and

what all these members of congress are saying ends up undermining his candidacy even further. and is a genuine risk absolutely. but i do think that right now we're on a trajectory that is going to lead to potentially a landslide loss. and i think we can do better. and i sure hope democrats come together as you know, in every household in the country, families have these difficult conversations with aging parents who think they can still drive. and if every family can have that conversation surely the democratic party, you can have that conversation as well in a respectful way. >> nic. thank you so much for their continued the conversation here because as you can imagine, some biden supporters say dropping him from the ticket would subvert the will of the 14 million people who voted him forehand during the primary and in favor instead of a deal? >> donor class, incumbents usually get the parties full support even of course, if there are challenges, but this year the party change its primary calendar, working with attrition by leapfrogging new

hampshire and the beginning with south carolina instead, and democrats even threatened to strip delegates from new hampshire if they still held their primary first before relenting. >> remember that and then in florida, the state party canceled the presence of primary it keeping more than four-and-a-half million registered voters, democrats from voting. >> and all that stopped biden's only real challenge or minnesota congressman dean phillips from actually mounting a serious campaign, whether you thought he had a shot or not? i want to talk about this now with laura barron lopez, cnn, political analyst and white house correspondent for pbs newshour, also here, amnesia cross, a democratic strategist and former obama campaign advisor glad to have both of you guys here. i feel like this is a kind of groundhog's day. if you are the biden harris it's campaign because you wanted this, that'll long ago. you wanted to go come after this rnc and have a very different discussion about maybe trump's speech. instead, you still hear this. i wonder from your perspective and

misha, i mean democrats create a mess. they cannot get out of now i don't think that they have i think that what democrats have to do is amplify their voters at the end of the day, we know that what 1,400 black women just signed onto a letter a day ago arguing for by to stay in this race. >> we saw the voters are that really telling him not to drop out in detroit just a few days ago, we heard his speech at the the naacp. we've seen the beach et. sit down and conversation. i think that what needs to be focused on is what people actually view on the ground, particularly the embedded democratic base voters, those voters are still with the biden-harris ticket. what we're hearing is a lot of whispers and a game of telephone between democratic elites as well as between the funder and donor class. but those aren't the people who determined his victory in the primary. those aren't the people who helped him win in south carolina. those aren't the people who brought him to the dance. those folks are still solidly supporting joe biden dance with the guy who brung you write that the phrase of it all i think about this, laura bragg into some sort of random country music, weighing all of a sudden, let me ask you

this because some of the strongest defenders of biden are from the progressive caucus in congress. we've heard from congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez talking about, well, where's the meat? where's the beef if you hadn't given me a plan, what the next set listen to what she had to say just recently if you think that's going to be an easy transition i'm here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and a huge amount of these elites, and a huge amount of these folks in these rooms that i see that are pushing for president biden to not be the nominee also are not interested in seeing the vice president being the nominee i mean, that's a huge risk and gamble to take if democrats believe that black women truly are the backbone of their party to get elected that is, the donors that i've talked to you and advisers to donors that i've talked to. it tracks with what the congresswoman is saying, which is that they aren't necessarily supportive

of harris and that's a big fear i was talking to congresswoman veronica escobar today and other democrats that's like her, that's still support biden that, think that he should stay in the race. and they say that their biggest fear is that there is no real plan b because the plan b should be or the alternative should be kamala harris. and they're worried that the party is not going to coalesce around her if biden were to step aside? side and then that the party would just chaos would ensue. and that again, the continued infighting would cause problems with actually ultimately winning in november. i also talked to jared huffman today, who was one of the lawmakers that came out saying that he thinks president biden should step aside from california and he was saying that he thinks that those concerns aren't really valid, that the that the lawmakers that may not want harris are outliers and that ultimately he thinks that the party would rally behind her if biden were to step beside and that shouldn't be a reason not to move on and to find someone else that he thinks would be more effective at carrying this

campaign to the finish line. >> i mean, to me ship politico is reporting that the former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, who i mean, certainly, i think i had yesterday say that she was the godmother of all democratic strategists and certainly somebody who knows quite well about every single syllable she's saying and the impact it would have in washington, dc. but that politico is reporting that she supports an open primary to avoid some perception of a coordination of vice president kamala harris is that the right path to do this? >> ai absolutely respect nancy pelosi, but i think in this instance, she was dead wrong. there are already very confused voters out here because they're watching what's happening on unraveling and they don't like it quite frankly. and i think that at this point to throw in candidates, some of whom have will all of whom, aside from vice president here's who have not been tested, who have not said at the right hand of power, who have not you know, liaised with foreign leaders who have not been a part of an administration that has the strongest history and record of achievement of any first-term administration other than fdr. i think that that would be a

huge mistake also, again, we've already had a primary and millions of votes were already cast two upset that process and to pull in these names because we've all heard them, you know, governor whitmer, the governor of california, the governor of illinois. any, you know, any conglomerates you want to throw together in leapfrogging a sitting vice president. and think is a problem in to a point you made earlier, a lot of people are wanting to, or at least in this instance, we're seeing people moved towards wanting to not see joe biden at the top of that ticket, but none of those people who are trying to not see him have actually come out and endorse kamala harris, that's a real problem there are not that many women in congress, black women in congress. >> and we've lost one tonight, somebody who is, was an extraordinary member and a servant the public and our constituents. and i think her loss will be deeply felt. sheila jackson lee gone at just the age of 74. i know both of you know washington, dc very well. i wonder if you can speak a little bit about the loss of somebody like congresswoman sheila jackson lee, given her background, her professionalism

, and what she's meant to her own party. >> au i mean, it's huge. i was just already texting with the chairman of the congressional black caucus. congressman horsford, who said that this is a devastating loss for not just the caucus, not just the black lawmakers in congress, but all of congress for the democratic caucus, for all of her colleagues. and i interacted an interview with sheila jackson lee plenty of times when i covered the hill, she was always willing to speak to any reporter and to really engage you on the policy and on the substance and she never shied away from difficult interviews, so i always thought that that was something that i respected her because there are plenty of politicians on capitol hill, plenty of lawmakers that will try to run the other way and she wasn't wasn't one of the ones that would do that not agreed. >> and i knew her on a personal level. i went through the congressional black caucus institute. i was a fellow. she was one of the people who literally took me under her wing. i've worked with her on

several well pieces of policy specifically, and i guess most recently on the crown act in addition to the push the school push out models, particularly because of all the suspensions, expulsions, and the school to prison pipeline across the state of texas. so when we talk about criminal justice reform, she was on the forefront of that and we talk about the abuses particularly targeted towards black and brown people. she was on the forefront of that. yet whether it was immigration reform or whether it was protecting people who were targeted by police, policing entities at multiple levels. she was someone who really believed the work she breathe into that work. she also took a lot of advocates under her wing, people who dc probably will never know the name of because a lot of them were community leaders from various cities across the country. but that was who she was and that was when she believed in. and as somebody who also lost my mom to that type of cancer, it is really hurtful to know that it happens. unfortunately, in many cases at higher rates for african american women in particular and i think that there's not only puts a pinpoint to the health disparities that we face as a

population, but also a loss of a giant. not only as a black woman in congress, but as someone who really spoke truth to power, as someone who lived and breathed the word and as someone who was never going to stop fighting for people who are underserved. >> so well said, both of you. thank you so much if you know anything about congresswoman sheila jackson lee, she would have probably told you that her assignment is done well i think all of you, so much. well, republicans are riding high off the rnc while democrats, bigger over who should be at the top of their ticket the whole nation on edge to see what's going to come next. and the reporter with insight into trump campaign joins me next, also, stephen a. smith will give his always candid thoughts that's right after this the last few years have been really tough on my family this never ending cycle of inflation she is taking more and more out of my paycheck, hardworking families like mine are hurting.

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187, 685 50, 5:00 i'm bill, we're on the california coast and this is cnn well, tomorrow the trump-vance ticket holds is very first rally together in grand rapids, michigan he'll also be the first rally for trump's since a gunman tried to take his life. and ever since trump has vowed to strike a more unifying tone. but as trump proved last night at the rnc maybe it can help but fall

back on his greatest hits the only terror we had was nancy pelosi is every week they get another subpoena from the democrats, crazy nancy pelosi, the late great hannibal lecter is a wonderful man. >> he oftentimes would have a friend for dinner, the late great hannibal lecter he loved to have you for dinner. world war three, we're going to be in world war three soon. are planet is teetering on the edge of world war three maybe this was the acoustic album. instead, we'll see it's pretty much like the old trump, right? i want to bring in national political reporter for time magazine, eric cortellessa. he released a new piece titled, it's trump's race to lose. eric, thanks for joining us tonight. i mean, look, the spin from the campaign before the speech was that trump was a new man after an assassination attempt, he would be a uniter that he had had a kind of a pier funny of sorts politically. did his

performance undermine that perception? >> well, to a certain extent, yes, it did. you know there was a central contradiction in the speech on the one hand, he wanted to ride the wave of momentum that he's ever since the assassination we shouldn't attempt and try to be a unifier and expand his realm of support. on the other hand, he wanted to rev up his maga followers who are with him when times were tough and you really saw this discrepancy play out when he stuck with the script and read off the teleprompter, he was mostly on message and faithful to that attempt to called for national unity. and when he started to improvise is when he reverted back to his sort of standard fare at maga rallies and whatnot. turning what was supposed to be as his advisers say, an unconventional convention speech into another matt maga rally and crush i mean, it was 90 minutes long and he was certainly preaching to a choir because the audience was all land quite invested, perhaps not the best focus group. if you're talking about a more broader republican

electorate, but trump, he was embraced by people like hulk hogan who came on the stage. you had number burroughs, you had others. i talked dennis quaid just last night, who also backs trump. there had been a kind of stigma when it comes to publicly supporting trump is that starting to fade for people? >> well, i think if you talk to people close to president trump and his advisers, they will say that they are seeing a social stigma dissipate that was once really pervasive throughout trump's career in 2016, people would come up to them and say, i'm really supporting trump. and now they're much more open about it. and you're seeing that especially with a lot of these celebrities that they're bringing onto the stage and emphasizing who support trump, like amber rose, like 50 cent, who didn't make it to the convention. but there were others to really hammer that point home and make more people feel comfortable supporting trump, who might not otherwise yeah, you're reporting to says that trump called his family

about an hour or so after the attempts attempted assassination from the hospital what did you learn about that phone call? yeah. i mean, erik for one was at his home in westchester, new york as the scene unfolded. afterwards, tried frantically to reach his father, took about an hour before trump was in a hospital room, was able to call eric and have him conference in the rest of his children and they really felt comforted that fairly early into the conversation he he he started to make jokes. he shifted to a tone of levity. don junior and eric joked that he would have something in common with a vander holyfield heavyweight boxing champion who had part of his ear a bit off by mike tyson trump quipped, you want to be like one the greats. and what they really came out of that conversation with was a plan going forward. trump said, we're going to the convention, we're going to the milwaukee nothing changes. and so i think he realized pretty

quickly on not only how lucky he got by surviving this assassination attempt, but that he has an opportunity to hold history in his hands and reshaped the election. and that his return to the white house is more within grasp now than it ever has been the newly minted trump vance ticket, which by the way was the name on the tank top that you saw hulk hogan rip one shirt away from to reveal. they're going to hold hold a rally tomorrow in michigan. and this is the first since that shooting is this going to also be a test? i only have maybe security measures, but vance's appeal in a place like michigan, which most agree they've got to win before you this evening with great. >> yeah. i mean, this was a central reason why trump chose jd fans. as he chronicled in his best-selling memoir, auhillbilly elegy. he comes from ohio. he spent a lot of time in his childhood in appalachia. he was surrounded by societal and economic decline and they think he can appeal to rust belt voters in

the three he key swing states that biden essentially has to win michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. i think they were having the rally immediately after the convention is another show of defiance and strength that trump wants to project, that he's going to go back out into the crowds after someone would be assassin made an attempt on his life and you're also going to see this attempt to portray j.d. vance as the future of the america first movement. i think after the shooting, trump told people close to him that jd vance's youth, he really saw as an asset because he is someone who can carry the torch of this brand of right-wing populist nationalism into the future. during keep it as a dominant force in american politics for much longer beyond than what trump will be around. >> well, that'll be a first to hear about the youth of someone in this election cycle, we always hear about the age of he is. i think what the third youngest vp candidate will have to see if the american voters

it's also see him as the future not only of maga, but also you could convert people from being undecided into their fold, eric, thank you so much thank you. >> good to be with you. >> as continue this conversation now with stephen a. smith, he is the host of espn's first let's take, and of course, the stephen a. smith show on youtube. so even so good to see you this friday. how are you doing? you, laura you know, right. >> laura, how are you? i mean, i'm awake now. i struggled last night listening to that speech, it was pretty hard to stay awake, but i'm awake now. >> i mean, it was 90 minutes and ended. i think i made myself a sunday and i kept myself up. so that's true story on that. listen, republicans, though, they were pretty thrilled by half other convention when i would assume i do wonder what your assessment is of this race after all, that's happened just since last saturday well, first of all, i think that you have to give the republican national convention made it clear that major kudos and turn how the week went in and of

itself, he talk about make america wealthy again, make america safe. >> again, make america strong again. and then obviously make america great. eight once again. and i thought that from start to finish they did an exceptional job from a production standpoint, for making sure that their conference was compelling from showing that this is not the same old grand old party indeed, things have changed. it's about trump make no mistake about it but in terms of amber rose participation along with various others marco rubio and others speaking. and what have you, his family members. i thought that it went picture perfect right up until the moment trump showed up on stage. last night, i had thought that the first 15 minutes or so when he was detailing the attempted assassination, i thought that was riveting and interesting. and then from that point forward, i don't know what happened. he just went off kilter off message he looked completely lost and he was just mumbling and it was a very,

very bad experience to watch. so in the end, what it comes down to is that he's the guy you're looking at him right now, being ahead in most polls, you've got questions about biden that haven't faded. one inch. and as a result, he's lucky in that god, but i thought he missed an opportunity to bring the country together because he preached about ripping up the speech, writing a whole new speech saying that he was going to be about bringing the country together and being about unity. and that clearly was not what he did last night. and i thought he missed an opportune. maybe he didn't hurt himself that much but he certainly missed an opportunity to really, really make more of a significant impact feeding off to the attempted assassination i mean, even now you talk about the words i have lost mumbling. >> these are the criticisms that have sparked and launched 1,000 ships of talk of biden stepping down. that's not what's happening for trump. and democrats as you well know, i mean, even though president biden is insisting, again and again and again, we could go on

for 90 minutes worth of the speech of all the times biden is saying he's not at me now. that is still continuing to have the momentum and democrats doing so talking about it, how do you see democrats getting out of this if he continues to say staying in and they're saying behind closed doors purportedly, you should go well first of all, a couple of things we have to show deference and respect to the president of the united states for the job that he has done in the eyes of a lot of liberals and progressives, while it's the american rescue plan, whether it's the infrastructure bipartisan infrastructure bill, whether it's katanji brown jackson being appointed to the supreme court, trying to give provide student loan relief although that hasn't been that successful as of yet. >> the bottom line is the attempts have been there and you have to give respect where respect is due. but you can show respect. you can show a deference. you can show our appreciation there's still say, sir, 36 years in the senate, eight years as vice president four years as the

president of the united states, it is time for you to go on far too many occasions to democrats dropped the ball. i've been lamenting this situation over the last years i can't even express to you how disgusted in with the democrats there is no excuse for what they have allowed to happen over the last year or so, you didn't see slippage or anything from biden just now there has been evidenced has been out there for quite some time. you have a bowl pin, you have a vice president, united states of america year. she might not have done well in the primaries. what she had to deal with other democratic candidates, but her up against trump. i'd like to see that. i think kamala harris would do an outstanding job going head-to-head, toe to toe against donald trump. i'd like to see that, you know what role she has to play. it's not just about giving speeches and all of this other stuff. she's the vice president of the united states so you know what she can do gavin newsom has given speeches, wes moore, the governor of maryland, we know what he's capable of. hakeem jeffries is in the house. we know what he's capable of.

schumer has spoken out against the pelosi, has spoken out against adam schiff, has spoken out against him. i'm sorry, not hurt him. in terms of all of these prominent democrats who've obviously supported our president lock stock and barrel. all of this time now, they've swayed. so clearly this seeing what a lot of us have been seeing, and they acknowledged it and even barack obama himself, this is not the time to be quiet. this is not the time to be overly concerned about the legacy of joe biden. okay. you can appreciate him. and respect him and thank him for the job that he's done while still saying hey, it's time for somebody else right now because you have lost a step. and last but not least, the president himself, to be 81 years of age after 48 it years of service to our government. okay. 48 years 81 years going on, 82-years-old to look into the camera, talking to george stephanopoulos a couple of weeks ago with a straight face and say at the age of 81 with clear slip, it's having kicked

in that you ought to best person for the job. no one bullpen that you have in the democratic party. in my estimation, is a slap in the face to the other democrats there. and especially vice president kamala harris, who we all know is highly intelligent, can be feisty and is capable of going toe to toe with donald trump's she's just been muzzled and held back by the administration stephen a. >> smith, quite the mic drop. and i'll leave it there. thank you so much. >> all right. >> au probably take yellow back to. >> our, breaking news this evening tributes are pouring in tonight for none other than congresswoman sheila jackson lee. she is the longest serving democratic congresswoman. and she has passed away after battle with pancreatic cancer joining me now on the phone is congressman al green democratic congressman from texas congressman. thank you for joining on this very difficult evening. what did congress

chris woman, sheila jackson lee mean to you well, thank you for allowing me to give expressions of please first, allow me to give my condolences to her family and that would be her immediate family, as well as her extended family, which would include people in her congressional district i would dare say across the globe because she had friendships relationships that were meaningful across the planet with reference to your question, what does she mean to me? she was someone in congress that was always, always working to bring about, adjust resolution to any problem. >> she had a work ethic that all who knew her admired, you could not help but admire her work ethic she appear to be ubiquitous she was always going

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brain why to 231231 now i'm dr. sanjay gupta in atlanta. this is cnn well, moments ago, veteran pollster frank luntz sat down with a group of 17 voters who are undecided before last month. >> consequential debate between biden and trump. and a lot has happened since admittedly are there i wonder are there any closer to making up their minds about who should lead the democratic ticket step aside, which i think is his choice than harris is next in line.

>> i would hate to see that process circumvented i think we hear kamala harris. >> i don't know that she can win though, which is sad i wish i could give you a name, but as well, i don't know. maybe gavin newsom, maybe i think they're best chance at that would be andy bashir joining me now, frank luntz, this is not very good news if you are the biden-harris ticket that they are not just undecided, they don't want anyone and you're correct that it is biden and harris and they basically want a new beginning. >> they want a new start this hush was very hostile to donald trump in his personal behavior that things that he says now he says it, but they were very disappointed in joe biden. they were shocked that debate is going to go down in history has been the most consequential moment since the debate between kennedy and nixon in 1960, it really did change minds they were not hostile to joe biden going in, but they became hostile when it came out. and

harris hasn't done anything to prove that she should be the heir apparent what do they think of the trump's speech last night? >> because obviously they didn't harbor it a little before did they find that speech unifying enough to say, well, if this is the ticket, i'll go the other way. >> so i always want to get it right. and i want to acknowledge i got it wrong last night that i didn't realize how hostile they weren't to how long trump went to the language that he used, his teleprompter speech wonderful. what he actually delivered all the impromptu was not so positive i wouldn't hear what they told you. >> let's listen this show. >> of hands how many of you would give donald trump's speech in a one how many give him a b 123 how would you give him a c and that's really good everyone who would give him a d

123 of you for view. >> and who would give him an f so now we've lungs him that surprise you it surprised me because as someone i thought that's not what i saw because that's the convention hall and we have to be very careful who you surround yourself with to give us an accurate impression the core of what he said, bring the country together, focus on the future, get things done. the courts perfect but the added stuff that trump's stuff, the anger and the name calling simply doesn't sit well with them. and these are the people that trump and biden needs to win. the last 4% of america if they offspring one way or the other, they determine the election outcome they were very disappointed with last night. >> he may given some sense of a ticket that they would support know. >> and that's the problem, is that normally if i bring you a problem, i have a solution. i can tell they don't have a

solution. they want to start fresh and they emphasize that they don't like the politics of today. they don't like the yelling and screaming. they're looking for unity. they're looking for verwoerd, donald trump promised, but failed to deliver last night. and i do acknowledge that i didn't hear it, but i hear it now. >> did they ever react the idea the democrats wavering on who should be the top of the ticket they think that the wavering is correct, that debate destroyed their impression of joe biden. >> i know him. i know the man, a gun him for 2030 years todd, his son. so it gives me no pleasure this say that they want him to move on. they watched that debate. it was painful for them. they didn't think that trump behaved presidentially, but they believe that joe biden is no longer presidential the idea of where this is all coming out. it certainly is not good news for the biden-harris ticket, but not necessarily for a trump-vance one either in america if they wanted to do over frank luntz. thank you so

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traffic jams like this one at the u.s. canada border in detroit, stop and customs agents from processing vehicles and hoping to buy something too bad because your checkout kiosks crash and stores and also businesses, even billboards in times square went dark okay dmvs hospitals, even 911 call centers were impacted as well. and tonight, crowdstrike says a fix has been deployed and it's promising, quote, full transparency. joining me now, john hammond, principle security researcher for this cybersecurity firm, huntress, you know, he is legit with that background. my fred good to see you, john. i have to ask you look, how in the world did this happen? this is one companies is one software update. entire world has up ended well, hi there, laura. >> thank you so much for letting me join you and absolutely. >> you're right. just about last night, i think at brown, 10:00 p.m. pacific, there were some chatter on one online forum where users were saying, hey, is anyone else seeing this sort of blue screen of death

outage across all their computers, their workstations in their servers. and then like floodgates okay. so you had folks chiming in saying, yes, our organization with, hey, hundreds of thousands or 50,000 endpoints is affected and just as you mentioned, we're seeing airlines down, banks, schools of course, hey, whatever government municipalities all in the mix, quite a wildfire here i mean, we're saying that this is affecting computers all the way from like employee laptops to critical servers. i mean, this has been going on as you mentioned, since last time, hipaa hard to hear about it. i this could not have been a quicker fix its a bit of a problem because the issue is that, hey, these changes that have been pushed down are making changes to a very core and root level sort of layer of a lot of computer systems. what nerds and geeks tend to call the kernel and stuff it's really fragile there. >> it's especially sensitive if there's any sort of mistake or misconfiguration. well, that will crash that whole computer

and trying to push out fix or a solution or something to a correct that isn't easily as done because you don't have the thing really turned on and a full healthy states to deploy that fix and make those changes. so unfortunately please technicians and engineers are running around today and throughout the weekend, i'm going to guess and maybe weeks, it's hard to tell the time to recover here. but doing a lot of this manually across everything that needs to be brought back to life. >> there he will in airports right now, who are crying when you mentioned the word weeks? okay. i just wonder as well. i mean, it could hackers could foreign adversaries be taking advantage right now of what has happened? is there a risk for some other arena? >> it's. an interesting conversation because crowdstrike has made it very clear and i think we're all in agreement that this issue is not a vulnerability or exploit. this was not a hack as it came to be. it is just an unfortunate accident and mistake but to your point, hey, you'll see adversaries and

threat actors that will really capitalize on this and take advantage of a lot of the chaos and uncertainty. hey, sending those fishing links and emails, making phone calls, trying to act and masquerade as crowdstrike that could lead to whatever scam or deception. so we all really tended have to be on our toes here tell me about this company. i mean, many people have probably never heard of this company crowdstrike, although now we all have. >> and i wonder how it could have affected so many people. is this not just a domestic issue? this is global yes, crowdstrike is all admit one of the top dogs for a lot of this antivirus and endpoint detection response, edr capabilities that aufor cybersecurity protection against malware and hackers. >> and oftentimes that means that, hey, they've got some really locked in access to get done protection capabilities and prevention opportunities on your computer it's funny, you know you hear that saying with great power comes great responsibility because if

something were to go wrong in this case, and we've seen that go a grievously wrong. well, it's quite a bad day or week or however long it takes how do you stop it from happening again au super good question, and i'll admit this is a little bit of a balancing act because normally hear the story where, hey, it's system administrators or business owners that carry the conversation of should we allow automatic updates or patches being pushed down that might and potentially break? >> stuff but in this case, it was really not even the business owners are system administrators themselves. it was a vendor, it was the provider. this took all of us by surprise. but if i may say, i think the best we can do is try to have some of that strategic planning. think about this stuff before it hits the fan what else could we, i don't know get our documentation in a row. what can we do for checklists? what can we do for procedures, and how can we try to get ahead of this even when we don't see it coming prevention is better than cure john hammond. thank you so much.

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