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situation around the world confusion at international banks at some financial systems were impacted, disruptions at united kingdom's national health system, as well as broadcast next a major global it it outage is impacting many of the world's largest companies, including us here at sky news all due to that massive global technical outage linked to crowdstrike, a cybersecurity provider, the company's ceo apologized for the incident saying it was not a science deborah attack, but defect and a software update crowdstrike was doing that crash. >> microsoft windows causing the outage. he also says a fix has been deployed. >> we've been on with our customers all night and working with them many of the customers are rebooting the system and it's coming up and it'll be operational because of, we fixed it on our end. >> it's still not over. the department of homeland security is working with crowdstrike and
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microsoft to fully assess and address system outages and cancellations just continued throughout the early evening here at newark airport crowdstrike, ceo says that it will be a lengthy process before things get back. to normal. he promised full transparency into how all of this happened. he also says the company will take steps to prevent something like this from happening again. >> anderson, jason carroll, thanks. the news continues right here on cnn outfront next, biden's seething new reporting tonight on biden's i towards nancy pelosi, as we have new details about kamala harris is meeting with megadonors today plus if biden drops out, what happens to his delegates? >> would it be all out chaos a delegate who supports biden is outfront along with an experts and all the wild scenarios that could lie ahead for america. and chilling detail hills about trump's would-be assassin. new details this evening, what he was doing in the hours before
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that shooting as doctors are raising questions about trump's injuries, let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett out front tonight, seething. cnn is learning that the president is quote seething at nancy pelosi, as he digs in his heels to stay in the race. this is in the face of 12 additional defections from congress today, including the latest from the senate, from senator sherrod brown of ohio, and embattled democrat fighting for reelection in a red state but one storm source telling cnn, it was nancy pelosi's longtime ally, congressman zoe lofgren, whose call for biden to go really got under biden's skin today, making him even more angry at pelosi at this hour, president biden, we understand is refusing to give an inch, even as now, 34 democrats in congress are calling on him to step aside out of, of course, about 200 biden is in delaware after being diagnosed with covid and in a new statement today says he will return to the campaign trail next week the first lady jill biden, is scheduled to host a fundraiser in paris next thursday, she's there for the olympics opening ceremony. price of admission.
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there is between five, fifth $525,000 meantime, this afternoon, the vice president kamala harris, met with major democratic donors, a call a zoom call, reportedly organized by the influential megadonor and linkedin founder reed hoffman hoffman has been pushing very assertively for an alternative ticket. many scenarios which do not even involve harris but as biden digs in his campaign is dismissing the donors and elected officials who also get money from those same donors who have turned on biden biden's campaign, insisting that they have contact with real voters, including the 14 million of them who democratically chose biden as their nominee. and that the polls that elected members of congress are now pointing to, to justify throwing their ticket out after voters picked it or bunk. in fact, biden's feelings about polls are not new. here's what he told me in his most recent interview on cnn when you, talk about the economy, of course, it is by far the most important issue for voters it's also true right now, mr. president, that voters by a wide margin, trust
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trump more on the economy with less than six months to go to election day. are you worried that you're running out of time to turn that around we've already turned around. >> look look from the michigan survey for 65% american people think they're in good shape economically, i think the nation's not in good shape, but they're personally good shape the polls we data has been wrong all along the polling data has been wrong all along. >> those are the words the president and anyone who has spent any time with him in the past six months has heard that from him? it was a defiant biden ben as he appears to be tonight, the face of more democrats turning on him mj lee is outfront from the white house to begin our coverage and mj biden staying in the race, doubling down tonight, vice president kamala harris getting on that major donor call at a crucial moment, what more are you learning about that call yeah, erin, at a moment when president biden i didn is sidelined with covid and his political future remains so uncertain. >> we saw the campaign
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dispatching vice president kamala harris to get on a call with major donor winners was described as a pep talk of sorts where she said we are going to win importantly, she didn't address the chaos that is engulfing the democratic party clearly this was seen as an attempt to turn the attention back to donald trump. but erin, for all of the talk right now about the growing public calls on president biden to get out of the race the campaign's money problems are incredibly serious right now many donors have told us that they are simply no longer going to write checks, so long as president biden remains at the top of the ticket good. and i was just speaking with a major democratic donor who summed it up this way. they said, i don't know how you campaign with a broadening electoral map without money. i don't know what they're doing don't know. i've never seen this strategy where you think you can win without money. now, erin, this donor was saying maybe under the current circumstances, you can dig in for a couple more weeks. but anything longer term is going to be extraordinarily difficult and they also haven't
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dimension that the emails that you get from the campaign for campaign events and funding raisers have really slowed down in recent weeks. i should just note the biden campaign has really taken pride and pointing to the national infrastructure that it has built over the last year or so. the offices they've opened, the staff hires that they've made, the training that they're doing the voter outreach with the bottom line is, you can have an amazing operation patient, but you can't keep the lights on if the money is not coming in. >> all right. mj. thank you very much. and joining us now, isaac dovere, who is broken numerous stories about the biden campaign here. kate anderson brower, who's reported extensively on the biden family and cnn newsnight anchor abby philip isaac. let me just start with you, biden insisting he's not going anywhere campaign insisting. he's not going anywhere campaign chief giving that interview this morning, despite the list of democrats calling for him to step aside, obviously getting longer by the hour. do think these calls are now backfiring, are not isaac well, they're backfiring going away and also it's important, it's been pointed out to me that joe biden is experiencing
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what's happening in a different timeframe. >> the most of the rest of us, he was aware last week that nancy pelosi had a tough conversation with him because he was part of it. the rest of us it's only became aware of it this week with the cnn reporting about it. so he is factoring that stuff in, not in a way that is as some have made it out that he's just not paying attention to anything. he's paying attention to it. he just thinks that he has a lot of other information and data that's pointing them in a different direction. and also is always coming back to the fact that other people said he couldn't beat donald trump. other people said that hillary clinton was the one to be donald trump over him in 2016. and he thinks he's proven their arguments wrong before any kind of get the chaos and uncertainty out there. >> obviously we know the importance of jill biden first lady's supposed to go to paris, right? for a fundraiser. and the olympic opening ceremony, right. as part of her role as first lady price, that tickets 500 to $25,000. i'm curious how actually all that is going. but based on your sources, what is she thinking right now?
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>> well, a source inside the white house told me that she's all in because he's all in and that this caricature of her as sort of lady macbeth character that she's holding on to power and is somehow running things behind the scenes is absolutely not true. she's not involved politically, but she is involved as a wife and a support system to him. i mean, they've been married for almost five decades. they have been in foxholes together before. she sees this as just another trial that they have to get through. it's run for president several times and i think it's really hard for any president to be in there for one term. they, their wives often want them to stick stick it out and try to win another term. >> well, from a legacy perspective, there's no way to go now to say i consider it. i mean, it it's humiliating. there's no way around it. if that's what happens i mean, to that point, democrats have done a really good job of shooting at their own nominee. horrible reference. i shouldn't have used those words, but they have
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been, they have been that's where the fire has been coming from. how much longer can it go on? >> well, if you're one of the democrats who feels incredibly vulnerable right now, electorally in terms of the fundraising, you want this to end in the next couple loved days, because the clock is ticking to the convention that's really the time that people who want another nominee, they think that they have to get this done really in the next week in order to have a shot at a process going into the convention. but if you are joe biden, you think you actually need to just hold out until the convention when he becomes actually not even, then they're going to have a roll call vote but that would make him the official nominee in just a matter of a few days, actually and i think biden sees the timeline very differently. he sees between now and the convention as a relatively short period of time i'm where he can push back on these calls but for the democrats who are in these tough races, the shared browns of the world they really are putting on the pressure now because really this next week is a crucial window. if it's going to be
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someone that you have, you are talking about. some of these donors and it is sort of amazing and conversations i've had with these donors. there's almost a glean there's a power that they've never had before. it's like fantasy football. what ticket do we want in, in groups of very, very rich people influencing this? you've been reporting on texts that are coming from these donors to people up for reelection saying turn on biden, or else we cut it off for you too. yeah. i mean, i'm told i've i've seen these messages going from donors and bundlers who are talking to donors two candidates and two people who are fundraising on behalf of the candidate committees that are basically saying, we told you weeks ago, biden needs to be off the ticket. we want someone else. some of the messages or even more explicit we want an open process. we don't want kamala harris. and so that is a really that's an enormous amount of pressure. i'm really not sure we've seen anything quite like that before. i do want to say arundo, these are these donors
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are these are people who are dyed in the world democrats. they are spending enormous amounts of money to back democratic causes and candidates and they don't want to waste their money, but they also believe that because of what they've committed financially, they have influence and they are using that leverage, right? now isaac, i want to play again, this issue. >> that this is the influence from donors, right? and then with all of this going on, the move in the polls that we've seen such that we've seen is something obviously the biden dismisses. let me just play again something that i think very fairly reflects what everyone i've heard. he's talked to the president has said, is his view on polls with less than six months to go to election day. are you worried that you're running out of time to turn that around? >> we've already turned around. look you look at the the michigan survey for 65% american people think they're in good shape economically, they think the nation's not in good shape. but they're
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personally good the polling data has been wrong all along you know, he he truly isaac from, i mean, not just from that. >> i have heard him say it before and anyone as i said, that i've spoken to has said that he said the same thing he truly doesn't believe the polls. >> that's right. and that's not something post debate. that's where he's always been. your interview was at the beginning of may, right and the issue is that the polls in 2020 showed him ahead at this point and he went on to win there are there's a lot of questions about polls and the sample well groups and all the rest of it. but biden feels like he has a deeper connection to what's going on and he feels like there will be a real recoil against donald trump even in the last minutes, part of that also is calling the bluff in a way with these donors that abby is talking about and saying, are you really not going to be there? and importantly, that you have a lot out of democrats who are really uncomfortable at this. one democratic member said to me about abigail disney
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who said that she would boycott giving donations. i don't really want to live in a country where an era's gets to pick our president. notably she and other people who have called for the boycott had not given money to joe biden already in this campaign and so the biden campaign looks at them and say as you weren't with us already. so what's the what are you threatening us with it using their leverage down ticket, i mean, kate, we have not heard from somebody, obviously, who could be incredibly central to this certainly would be if he opened his mouth publicly and that's the former president obama so how much longer from your reporting until he does speak out publicly or does he think that he can stay silent i think that president obama's in a very difficult position here. >> i think that he is someone who wants to operate by hi, the scenes when it comes to this, i don't know if we'll ever publicly come out he did have a difficult conversation with his former vice president and he sees himself as sort of an adviser, but that he can't, he can't make this decision for
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him. we know that whatever barack obama said to joe biden really annoyed joe biden. and so, and we also know that obama is someone who looks at polling data. he takes this very seriously and he's also a very thoughtful professorial person. and so you would have to imagine that he's presenting the facts to biden and biden probably doesn't want to hear them or doesn't trust them and we've seen reporting where he's getting different polls from mike donilon and other democrats that are showing that he's actually doing just fine all right. >> well, thank you all very much. isaac, kate, and abby. thanks. and of course, abby is going to have so much more on this with her reporting on newsnight tonight at ten meantime, outfront next one of 12 democrats in congress just today to call for biden to step aside. congressman sean casten of illinois. he made that plea in a new op-ed titled it's time for joe biden to pass the torch. congressman, i appreciate your time and i know you may have heard part of that conversation we were talking about the polls and how the
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president clearly does not believe polls and has been angry about them when they have been pointed out to him for many months prior to this and, to that point, the polls said there'll be a red wave in the midterms, didn't happen. biden was written off off early in 2020 when he lost iowa, new hampshire, and nevada, and then he came back south carolina. he became president so do you think that he has justified at this point to dismiss the polls? >> look, we all have different points of data i've come to you as someone who truly loves joe biden, who has amazing respect for what he's done over his five decades. and i think i speak for every member of the house, democratic caucus that we fully understand and are frightened by the stakes of this election. we also are people who are, who are not pulling every week, but we are talking to our constituents. we're talking to supporters, people who voted for us, people who voted against us, and the consistent message we're
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getting is if this election is a referendum on one guy who was the only president to lose jobs during his sister and another guy who created more jobs than any president in history. one guy who was a kind decent person and other guy who was an adjudicated rapist. then we win. but the narrative since the debate has been how is president biden going to shift the focus onto his record and away from from the slips of the tongue. and people are nervous about that. and the polls that folks are doing, that they're seeing that we've seen i i've not seen anything from the white house suggest that if we're going to put our best foot forward, we need to make a change and that makes us really sad. but this is out of love for our country and respect for joe biden that we're at this point. >> i'm sure it is. let me just let me just play the other side of this to try to really understand it. after the debate, there was another scenario where many democrats could have supported his speech at nato, supported his press conference cheered his rally in
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detroit on that friday. then when the horrific events happened on saturday, moved on and gotten behind him but that is not what happened. that is not what happened. do you worry that you're in a position where if he doesn't get out, that his weakness is going to be because of your own party no. look, what what makes me sad is that the there is no consensus view in the party of reagan to stand up to russia. the russian ambassador just endorsed j.d. vance. >> there is no consensus view in the republican party to defend those like liz cheney or adam kinzinger, who defended the rule of law, the equal protection clause that the party of lincoln crafted. right? and that puts a lot of onus on us to move forward. i think a lot of us after the debate we're having myself included, we're having a lot of private conversations with people in the white house on the comms team of saying, how are you going to make this transition? and there's just been a growing frustrated mission that when we ask how we are told, well, let me tell you
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what we have done. >> we know that we love it. we were a part of it. but we need a strategy to get through this. not not just counting on some exogenous circumstance that we can't congressman isaac dovere, it was just talking about abigail disney and how she hadn't donated money to biden. but was sort of saying she would boycott and not given money, but she hadn't already, but she was going to stop giving money down ticket and the frustration that some felt, but an heiress would be determining who the next president of the united states would be. i'm curious whether you have felt any pressure from donors, whether they have reached out to you too? so have you felt any pressure from them that they will cut off the funds to you if you don't come out and say, what you have said and i know it comes from your heart, but have said that president biden needs to go so categorically, no, i have not ai also am part of that class that came in in 2018 that was 40 of us who flipped seats in 2018, had never of that 40 of us, i think only 33 of us had ever held public office before
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he ever run for public office before? i understand what it looks like. when you have a massive graph grassroots enthusiasm for an election, and what apathy looks like. and this is not about donors, this is about are people going to commit to the stakes of this election? because empathy has had democracy dies and this is not just about donors, but we need that enthusiasm there and folks certainly understand the stakes of what's out there and they're using whatever power they have influence all right. >> well, congressman khanna, i appreciate your time. thank you for the conversation thank you. next, what do the delegates do if biden is out? i'm going to talk to one who has been supporting biden all along. and then an expert is going to join that's who knows all of the dnc rules to explain exactly what a contested convention would mean and what happens to the delegates plus trump describing in detail his attempts that assassination i heard a loud whizzing sound and
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the president should end his campaign. if biden steps aside, though it is the delegates who become the kingmakers outfront now joanne chesley, she has a delegate for president biden and a candidate for the statehouse in north carolina. and joann, i really appreciate your time so you get more. we just had a congressman on who was talking about his decision to call him on biden to step aside. now, senator sherrod brown is making that decision as a very high profile senator, you though, are sticking by the president. tell me why aaron it's because i see this as a process as a student of leadership out of chapel hill you know, as an, i've been a leader of schools and organizations. >> people need time. organizations need time to make decisions like this. and so when i see people questioning it and suggesting that he should step down on and then kind of at each other's throat sometimes
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>> eris team should go forward, and that's what i believe i believe that is the winning ticket and that we will be just fine even though we've had these three or four weeks where we've exchanged perspectives and it's looked a little unsettling to people, but some of this chaos is exactly what it takes to get to where we need to be. >> so just to be clear, when you say biden harris, you mean by obviously at the top of the ticket and you really do believe joanne the democrats can win with him at the top of the ticket after these now 34 weeks of chaos aaron i do. and here's what here's what i think. i think big because biden has been around a long time doing this work, he spent 55, 60 years of his life in service to our country. he
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understands these processes. i don't think he is going to let us fail. i really don't think so. he may have lost some cognitive abilities. we don't know any of that but i do not think that he's going to forsake the success of this ticket and an r when i think he will come to the decision to either stay in the race because he knows he can do it and because he knows that he's got a good team round him with two does kamala harris as vice president or he will make the decision to pass the torch and endorse kamala harris as the person who should be at the top of the ticket in any way? i do believe that he's going to do the right thing for our country. and that's why i'm staying behind the biden harris team all right. >> well, joanne, i appreciate your time and everyone watching. appreciate it. thank you very much. and let's go straighten out to josh putnam because he's a consultant on delegate roles for democrats now something that, you know,
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the whole world needs to understand so let's just start with where joanne ended. she said obviously she believes in president biden and she believes in him at the top of the ticket. however she said if he steps aside she is very clear. it goes to paris in her view as a delegate, right? that was very clear. that's what she would want. and obviously that's the least messy outcome. so can i just start there with you, josh, if that is what happens if he steps aside and this hype medical world and he endorses her what happens to his delegates? do they automatically go to her to so then the key here is talking about the endorsement, right? >> if if biden is a step aside and endorse the vice president, then that doesn't curious weight with the delegates, right? as your previous guests i mentioned, but it's not a binding transfer of the delegates over to her. right so again, at that point it would be up to the delegates to the decide your previous guests indicated that that she would
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be behind the vice, president in that case you know, at that point it really is a function of, what the delegates decide and they would be free to choose a candidate of their choice, right? so that it would carry a lot of weight. i would imagine it's very clear what joe am ago, but it's not it's not binding which is an important point. now, what if he steps aside and says, you know, i if something were to happen to me. tomorrow, i trust her to be president, but i'm going to allow this to be a process. i'm not going to endorse anyone. what then josh? >> it's a little more chaotic potentially, and in that scenario, right without that signal from the president or some of the other elected officials and party leaders within the party. it would be a potential free for all and despite some of the more rosy he's sort of pictures that have been painted out there
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about what an open process would bring. it's not a guarantee that it work out that way. i mean, i think what we're left with here is one thing in the mind of delegates, and that's look, a lot of things may not unify them. they disagree on who the candidate should be, who would fill in after the president. but one thing that they do agree on that would be a unifying force is defeating president trump or former president trump? in, the november election, and that would serve to potentially bring them together augur against that sort of chaos scenario. but again, all bets are off one thing that i would want to add to this is something that abby phillip was brought up in a previous segment when she was talking about this this roll call, right? opening up the process and the tiny timeframe that they have is a really, really tall task yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, it certainly hasn't yesterday she was talking about just the clock here. that the clock that the president biden
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could see it in his favor if he just waits it out, it's too late they see it as you have to move quickly. alright, thank you so much. gosh, i appreciate your time sure thing here. next, the secret service will not confirm or deny whether trump was hit by a bullet why it seems like a pretty basic thing. plus the world's computers knocked offline billions of people likely affected and now warnings that cybercriminals are taking advantage of the utter meltdown at the ups store. >> he awful a lot because running a small business takes a lot. that's why we're the thinks outside the box store. the health protection sure. protestant school and they give your business or real street address door while you're juggling everything else, like the boss, you all weird extra pair of hands you can count on us as the shredding and mailboxes. anything and everything to keep you going store, coming to the ups store today, and be unstoppable? >> university of maryland
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the investigation hours before the attempted assassination, thomas crooks begins his day scoping out the rally site. >> sources tell cnn he arrives mid-morning and stays for 70 minutes, drives more than an hour back home where he picks up an ar type rifle his father later tells authorities he thought crooks was going to the shooting range crooks buys ammunition at a local gun shop and travels back to the rally site 5:10 p.m. local police first spot crooks around the same time. you've seen in this video obtained by cnn affiliate wtae walking outside the perimeter of the rally in front of the building. he would later climb at 5:33 p.m. the motorcade for former president donald trump arrives as the eager crowd awaits about 15 minutes later, pennsylvania state police notified the secret service of a suspicious person and share a photo of crooks, counter snipers are alerted according to a congressional briefing by law enforcement. but officers lose
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sight of him moments before trump walks out. counter snipers can be seen facing opposite directions. trump takes the stage at 6:02 p.m. his team was not informed of the suspicious, citing two minutes before the first shot, the counter-sniper on the building closest to the shooter's location, adjusts his position on the ground outside the perimeter, people start reacting the movement on the roof of a nearby building a uniformed officer can be seen walking toward the building. on top of the roof areas right there right. thanks laying down about ten seconds later, a separate counter sniper team on the southern building turns around 180 degrees freeze to face the shooter's building. the ground. >> people alert law enforcement officer and dangerously kremlin we have but seconds later,
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another video shows an officer walking backwards, apparently looking up a man approaches and points to the shooter's location officer turns and walks out of frame at the same time, to counter sniper teams are captured in these photos aiming and the direction of the shooter realizing the danger, the crowd outside the perimeter starts rushing away on the other side of the field of counter-sniper can be seen peering through his scope at the direction of the building where the shooter is what happened shots are fired at 6:11 p.m. trump is injured. >> the gunman is taken out seconds later on his body law enforcement find a remote transmitter to detonate explosives steps that were later discovered in his car along with the drone attack tickle best and more ammo investigators also found the
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shooter cell phone on his body. it had a screenshot of the livestream of the rally was taken ten minutes before the shooting. the cell phone search history also showed that he had looked up articles about us politicians, both democrats and republicans erin. >> all right. counting. thank you so much so many more details there and still so many questions in part about what happened. trump's campaign refusing to release a medical report or records relating to the assassination attempt or to make any of the doctors who treated him available? for interviews. trump did though, described the shooting in detail for the first time last night in his speech at the republican convention i heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really, really hard. on my right ear i said to myself, wow, what was that it can only be a bullet in a certain way. i felt very safe
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because i had god on my side i want to bring. >> in medical analyst, dr. jonathan reiner. he advised the white house medical team under president george w bush and dr. reiner. i appreciate your time trump obviously making his most extensive remarks yet about the shooting and i played. part of them there what questions do you still have? as a doctor? of course, noting that we have not gotten any report from them about what happened or any of the doctors involved. us have not. none of them have spoken well first of? all as an american and as just a human being, it's fabulous to see the former president looking, looking well. and i think the fact that he could speak last night for what sounds like an hour-and-a-half? yeah. i think i think really speaks to his recovery and stamina. so that's so that's great. that's great to see. but we've been told nothing about the extent of the extent of his injury the president, former
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president himself, last night said that at some point when he was under the under the sort of protection of the secret service, blood was pouring out of his ear and i think it's important that there'll be a full full disclosure. what kind of evaluation did the president had? did he have a cat scan? there were earlier reports that he might have had a cat scan which would make which would make a lot of sense because you can get concussive energy transmitted by a bullet that close to your head. so was there any injury injury to his brain doesn't doesn't sound like it. how big was the injury to his ear did require a surgical repair? is it going to require more surgery or or plastic surgery going forward? is it getting need to take time off from the campaign to do that? so these were all important questions, but it speaks to this bigger issue as to you know, i think the public needs to understand that if something happens to one of our leaders we're going to be told and we know nothing about his health. they've been questions about the current president's health and it doesn't cover me
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with confidence to see the president get an apparent impact from a high velocity projectile. and then we learned nothing about the medical evaluation, right and you know, he few hours after the assassination county posted i knew immediately something was wrong. >> i heard a whizzing sound shots and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin and he's referred to the bullet hitting him repeatedly the assassin's bullet, it can only be a bullet if i had not moved my head at that very last instant the assassin's bullet would have perfectly hit its mark. >> the assassin's bullet came within a quarter of an inch of taking my life and i had to run or the secret service as of tonight hasn't confirmed or denied whether a bullet hit him. >> obviously, he was hurt. but when you talk about a concussive no it could cost of energy, the damage it can do to your brain, right? somebody who wants to be president you know, what hit him and how it hit him? and what it did to him is very important is it not well,
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i think the overall status of the foreign president after an injury it is important to understand if he had more significant injury than just the bullet grazing his ear? >> does he need to take time off? maybe maybe should take take some time off. we don't know. >> look, if if a candidate suddenly was drenched in sweat and grab their chest and then was rushed to a hospital. >> and all that the public was told is yeah, there okay. he's back at home. he's okay you know, we would say, well, you know, what was done to evaluate, did he have a heart attack because of something else going on? and everyone saw really a large amount of blood on the former president's head if if the injury was mild, that's fabulous. but if it was worth the public really shouldn't should know that right? >> right. just, just more transparency about it. all right. thank you very much, dr. reiner. next computer systems across the globe crashing
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airports still gridlocked and that's just the tip of the iceberg. our josh campbell reporting us customs and border protection is experiencing processing delays due to the outage now as well tom foreman is outfront feel like i'm being completely screwed over this as airports and trains, hospitals and emergency services, media retailers delivery companies, and even the u.s. space program grappled with a global cyber outage, a stunning admission a single glitch in a software update from the cybersecurity company crowdstrike triggered the whole mess. >> we identify this very quickly and remediated the issue and as systems come back online, as they're rebooted there coming up and they're working. this is how it happened. >> crowdstrike is a multi-billion-dollar cybersecurity firm, which helps many fortune 500 companies protect their microsoft operating systems from hackers and viruses that requires constant updates and normally
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when one is deployed, it will be tested extensively and they will work widely with the providers like microsoft and other organizations that run these platforms to make sure it is compatible with these networks. >> but this update was faulty, causing affected computers brown the planet to shut down. dave to walt is a top expert in the field. he was up all night helping get them back online. >> case crowdstrike was doing everything in his power to stop threats from occurring by doing the updates. but at the same time, the quality control broke down and we ended up with what we had happen government services far and wide were affected by the outage including in the u.s. >> homeland security, the department of justice, social security, and even some state 911 systems at the white house. the fact they could all be affected by one mistake is raising caution flags. >> this digitization and technology has brought massive benefits, but every technology
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has its downsides as it is in new york. one of the famous billboards of times square was blanked by the problem in paris. final preparation for the olympics were rattled and all over the banking industry and everything else. a couple, a couple more hours, maybe the rest of the day and will be returned. >> disputes about how long it will take to get back to normal. >> there are estimates that this is going to take some days, perhaps even weeks to fully recover from the impacts analysts say it's something of a testament to crowdstrike that so many governments and transit systems incorporations rely on the company. but they say these events may also be something of a warning that maybe there should be a few other options when one mistake can cause so many problems. >> hearing is absolutely unbelievable. thank you so much time. and let's go to rob d'amico now, he's a former fbi supervisory special agent, works in cybersecurity crisis management i mean, rob, this is
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amazing crowdstrike the company responsible for this, which i feel pretty much on safe ground saying many people, most people would not have heard of it until today and then all of a sudden it turns out the world stops when crowdstrike messes up. they said, quote, today was not a security or cyber incident. we understand the gravity of the situation are deeply sorry for the inconvenience and disruption, so they immediately came out and said, no, it was a software patch which is kind of amazing that that could, could bring the world to a hall. are you skeptical that crowdstrike was so quick to say this was not a cyber attack i absolutely am. >> i mean, their existence is cybersecurity. so imagine if they came in and said, we don't know where if it turns out that it was. who's going to firearm after that and you're a billion-dollar company, they're very expensive and they claim it's a defect, will do they know how that defect got there? is it that they're cheaply outsourcing the code writing to countries like india now and he has great code writers, but they also have very subpar
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ones. if you get that sub sub-contracting down to the cheaper ones you're going to get bad code writers and they're not doing quality assurance. so or a malicious insider that happened with someone issues before where someone inside actually purposely put the code in there. so i don't think they have an idea have how that defect out there, but they're very quick outfront and getting that out there. but it's ruining the trust of the other companies, which is going downhill. >> i just wonder, i mean, this is a national security thing. it would seem to me, and maybe others have the same shock when you think about a company like nvidia, which a lot of people hadn't heard of. and then it turns out every single item in the world as nvidia in it. and now crowdstrike people haven't heard of it and it turns out that he can't go to a department store. you can't get your room key card done, you can't get it at customs. it can't fly, because crowdstrike has an issue. i mean, what are the am i right to think that there could be very serious national security implications of a us company the one that
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could do all this there's two issues. >> one, you talked about nation-state. there's nation-state cyber actors that are looking specifically what happened. they might not be involved with how it happened, but they're looking at what happened, what were the reactions, what the reaction times were, how they fixed so that if they look at an offensive cyber operation against the united states they can map out what was done that we found that in iraq and afghanistan wars that they were looking at testing things and the reactions are big. the other one is the cyber actors, even if they were involved in it. there now, taken advantage of it, they quickly got domain names close to crowd how striking they're doing phishing attempts. now, there's a list of people who were affected and engineers from crowdstrike were calling him trying to gain at so it's bigger than most people think. >> all right, what rob, thank you very much. certainly sobering for everyone to just realize what happened today next, wall street journal
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year prison sentence, we've been handle looking thin and tired. >> the wall street journal reporter answered no critics say he's guilty. verdict was inevitable. and other underlines how politicized russia's judicial system has become a strongly worded statement from gershkovich's employers called it a disgraceful and sham conviction that comes after his 478 days in prison, wrongfully detained and away from his family you can see evan gershkovich is in there. hi matthew from cnn. is that you holding up? all right. it's been a saga which has seen evan gershkovich now 30 to make several tightly controlled court appearances since being detained and accused of gathering secret information on a russian tank factory for the cia allegations denied by gershkovich. and the u.s government there are other us citizens held in russia of any kind like paul