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amanpour hour. >> here's where we're headed this week. as republicans fall in hi, the former president will trump's vp choice alienates swing voters? and can the divided democrats bounce back also this hour, lyndon b johnson, daughter on the political violence surrounding her father's turn and why he chose not to run for reelection, then a week out from the olympics, the ukrainian athletes training despite violence and tragedy back oh from my archive based on michael collins on having the right stuff and still having fun. at 71 pop icon cyndi lauper on a life well lived as she embarks on her farewell tour welcome to the program, everyone, and we begin with the story of how strength

and weakness or perceived and projected as they shaped the u.s. presidential race this weekend, while the whole world watches along on one side, the republicans at their convention more unified than ever with allies and x it's rivals alike publicly bending the knee for donald trump after the attempt on his life, his election interference and convictions forgotten. meanwhile, the democrats are more divided than ever over joe biden's ability to best trump in november, especially after he was benched by covid. again, the measurable successes of his presidency, all but forgotten as well. by the end of the week, a crescendo, a bigwig democrats and grassroots poll numbers publicly demanding he pass the torch can the democrats recaptured the political initiative or has the attempted assassination of their candidate regenerated the republican party? as the convention was wrapping up, i spoke to marc lotter, donald

trump's former strategic communications director, and to karen finney, a cnn political contributor and the spokesperson for the 2016 hillary clinton campaign. marc lotter and karen finney welcome to the program from milwaukee look this week ends with the walls really closing in on president biden. >> not only does he have covid on top of everything else, but it's becoming more and more public, more and more senior. the internal democratic officials, coupled with polls from grassroots democrats that biden won't make it in terms of winning in november. and for you, marc lotter and fatigue gop, this must be music to all of your ears on the one hand, you've got this implosion at the top of the democratic ticket. you've got a sense of chaos and drift. and on the other hand, you've got to sense of, of cementing the gop as trump's party, the

deliverance of trump from the assassin's bullet, et cetera. give me the mood amongst your party at the end of this week, well, obviously there's a lot of momentum, but i think there's a lot of recognition that we still have four months to go until election day hey, a lot of things can and will change the map, the polls all look very good right now for, donald trump and senator j.d. >> vance. but we've got to run through the tape as they as they like to say whether it's joe biden, kamala harris, gretchen whitmer, governor gavin newsom we're also focused on the policy side of it. none of those candidates are going to change the direction of our country. they're going to stick with the same policies whether it's on immigration, whether it's on taxation, energy prices. so really the campaign is the same from our standpoint, we just have to change the name of the person or may be changing the name of the person who we're running against. >> so karen, if i may. yeah. tell me about the policy as well because obviously mark

talks a good game, but we hear from the republicans that they really want to be against biden and on the policy issues on immigration, on the economy, et cetera. >> what would your pitch be at this point? >> well, i think it's important to remember that regardless of what's been happening in this conversation about joe biden, the grassroots work has continued. so in terms of the issue landscape, things that really not changed as much in terms of the policies that we're talking about so for example, if you live in a state where you're afraid of losing your right to access ivf or call contraception or abortion. that has not changed and that is a fundamental difference between what democrats are fighting for and republicans are fighting for so i think the issue is here, whether it's climate change, whether it is, you know, we don't believe in trickle-down economics, whether it is, you know, helping it's college kids pay for their student loans. there's a whole range of issues where we have

just very different ideas and i always like to remind people, those folks who are knocking on doors and having conversations with voters, those have not stopped. and so the issue conversation continues and we'll continue. and as we sort out the top of what's happening at the top of the ticket were also really talking about very fundamental differences for the direction of our democracy au mark, let me ask you, because one of the main issues for many in america, women and the rollback of roe versus wade. and it hasn't been a winning issue for republicans in previous midterm and other elections. and senator vance is absolutely against abortion calls it murder, argued against the need for rape and incest exceptions promoted the ban at 15 weeks and question the prevalence of divorce suggested women should stay in violent marriages even i'm going to play this and talk to you about the issue of winning women. >> this is one of the great

tricks that i think the sexual revolution pooled on the american populace which is this idea that like, well, okay, these marriages were fundamentally they were, they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy can so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they changed their underwear. that's going to make people happier in the long term. and maybe it worked out for the moms and dads. i'm skeptical, but it really didn't work out for the kids of those marriages. >> so talk to us about that. that was obviously before he was picked as vice presidential candidate. but trump also realizes now that the abortion ban and the roe versus wade reversal, that he campaigned for a nominated judges to reverse is coming back to haunt him politically what do you think this ticket is going to do to attract women? >> well, the president has been very clear. he would not sign a national abortion ban. in fact, there's also no way that owed national abortion bans ever going to get passed by

congress. president has also been very clear. he supports ivf and the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. but i think while the democrats all want to focus only on just this one issue, i think what you're going to see the president, senator vance and republicans also talking about is a lot of mothers, a lot of families out there struggling to pay for grill, lot of families out there struggling to pay for groceries struggling to pay for gas. they're worried that they're young daughters are themselves might be the victims of crime based on all of the 12 million illegal immigrants that have been let into this country under joe biden. so there are a lot of issues i think that her play. yes, there are single issue voters on the issue of abortion both on the right and the left. but i think most people are probably it's one of their issues may not be their only issue. and right now they're worried about putting food on the table karen, what do you think? >> because kamala harris, vice president, has been the administration's crusaders the

wrong word. but you know what i mean? she's gone out and fought the good fight for for women and remembering that trump himself was found guilty in a civil case for can get over that as well as roe versus wade? do you think it's still an issue? >> it absolutely is still an issue and i'll tell you why because for women in this country and for particularly young voters it's not just about access to a procedure. it is fundamentally about bodily autonomy. you know, i like to say christiane, we are fundamentally not a democracy. if women don't have the same rights as men. and if we don't have the right to make those critical decisions about our bodies and our health care than we are not equal and unfortunately what we've seen, you know, i'm a little, i cringe a little bit at the states rights argument because it has such an ugly history in our country. but think about what's been happening in the states for women, we're seeing women and doctors criminalized. we're seeing women lose their lives because of cruel and

extreme practices. and one of the things about project 2025 that i think people are so anxious about is that so many of the things that are in that policy handbook, if you will, are already being tempted rms o again, there's a real concern that some of these policies, again, it's not just about the procedure itself it's about what it says about value to women. i'll give you another example equal pay for women you know, the criticism that we're hearing from some conservative circles about the women secret service members who were part of the president, former president's detail. some are saying, well, that's dei and they shouldn't have women they're not strong enough you know, again, it's also how you talk about women, how you respect women. and i just want to point out something on immigration. we've had 12 million people here illegally for decades. and what we're talking about, again, two very different approaches. to

securing the border which the president biden has. and those crossings have gone way down. but also how do we have a humane policy in terms of how the we have people return to their countries where that's appropriate not as we saw during the republican convention this week with signs to just throw people out this rounding people up and mass deportations i don't think people really think about what that would really look like in terms of having deportation centers separating children and families, not to mention the economic impact that that would have on the american economy if all those workers who are working for substandard wages, by the way would be all of a sudden gone. >> the second part of our conversation is coming up in a moment when we'll be talking about the russians endorsing the trump-vance ticket also ahead, pop icon cyndi lauper is 71 and going out with a bang hi and from my archive, 55 years since man first stepped onto

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political panel. karen finney and marc lotter on the unprecedented state of presidential politics this season. so i want to also talk a little bit about foreign policy and democracy at home. do you think i mean, you know, chris sununu, the governor of new hampshire who didn't want trump to be the candidate, worked very hard for nikki haley. now is backing trump basically told us in an interview that january 6 should not be a disqualifier for this kind of a high office mark. and karen, can you comment on that because i mean, seriously well, i think what we saw on january 6 was terrifying and it's still those images are seared into the minds it's of americans and a majority of americans do not find those people who attacked our capitol. we don't call them heroes. we do think they should be held accountable for their actions. just as everyone should that being said, you know, i've traveled around the country, around the world actually in the last

several months, i was just in israel about three weeks ago there is a lot of fear. we heard some of this coming out of the nato conference world leaders are very anxious about the idea of donald trump returning to the presidency. they're anxious about what it means in terms of america's role in the world the nature of the relationship to the fact that he has like putin and what that means in terms of realignment of forces. and so i think there are very real questions about what a trump presidency would mean for american foreign policy. we have the record of donald trump from his four years in office, and we know how he treated nato and we know how he treated our allies. and we know why they have real concerns. >> but let me put that to you then because the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov has decided to praise the choice of j.d. vance. and here's what he said was to put it mirrors of his in favor of peace, in favor ending with assistance. >> that's being provided and

we can only welcome that because these statements that's what we need to stop pumping ukraine full of weapons in the war will end what do you think a trump administration, if it gets in, will do for the defense of ukraine i ended the defense of democracy knowing that the majority of congress believes in defending and supplying ukraine as do a working majority of the american people still well. and i obviously i don't speak for the former president nor do i speak for his campaign, but he's been very clear that he things that both sides need to come together and start talking every war in history has ended at an negotiation table, even those that ended with unconditional surrender. so you've got to get the two sides talking. we've got to figure out a way to get the killing to stop, which is what the president has been very clear about. and the fact that he, you know, he holds so much leverage the president of the united states holds so much leverage in terms of forcing

whether it's ukraine and or russia to come to the table. and let's figure out a way to stop the violence, stop the death on this issue is something that i think the world should be cheering. we should be cheering for peace. >> and i think that's what you would see from donald trump. >> and i'll leave the details of how he would do that, obviously, up to the former president. >> i can't leave you without questioning unconditional surrender. do you think that's appropriate as a choice for yet, as a choice for ukraine, both of you i'm not suggesting that as an option in the future. i'm saying that even past wars that were decided under unconditional surrender, there was also a negotiation in history at that time. >> and i would just offer that what we're hear from russia in terms of negotiation is really code for having ukraine give up land and give up part of its sovereignty. and we absolutely can't let that happen because there is no way that putin will

stop at ukraine. he will continue his march through to europe. >> marc lotter, karen finney. thank you both so much for joining us from milwaukee. >> thank you. thank you. >> i'll conversation as the rnc was wrapping up and up next on the program, cyndi lauper still having fun. at 71 my conversation with the pop icon on the new documentary about her life preparing for her farewell tour he must break the will of our enemy and end this war the crown will pursue victory at any cost i did not think they would be so eager to die he was seen me a ruler and the symbols of authority i'm not to jews and gangs but the shield, the sword house of the dragon streaming exclusively on max the bedroom suite with

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kicks off in the united states this fall. cyndi lauper, welcome to the program high. >> you're getting ready for a farewell tour and you have this new documentary. >> let the canaries seeing the chp a lot happening. you're 71-years-old. how are you feeling now? >> i feel good and, you know, i i work out i still do my vocalists doing a more of my life i think this tour is exciting because it's the biggest one i've ever done it and i think if it's going to be farewell, it should be big. >> were you always the person who got to do what she wanted to do or was that a struggle i wanted to make music that was inclusive? >> i wanted to make collaboration's with the people that i loved and and

when i was in situations where it was a compromise, it also gave me an opportunity to learn about how ai could make that my own to famously you made girls just want to have fun. yours out of somebody else's because it was written by a guy called robert hazard. he wrote the original and i want you to, once we play the clip to explain what the original meant and how you changed it so

cindy, tell me about that. >> he's still of course, it's a guy's approach and, you know, and i didn't understand exactly what the heck guy was supposed to do at first. and so they said, well, you could make it change. it, make it your own, which is what we wound up doing to a lot of the songs on that album to create a sound, a sound that was uniquely our own the biggest thing i had to learn his how to talk to people how to say things you don't freak them out. you get them inspired. >> we found a picture of you on

celebrity apprentice with donald trump and i just wanted to know whether you had any comment about that. now what was he like? he seems to like you well, doing that show was an enabled us to do the give a campaign. >> we raised money to do campaign where people could talk about given a a about equality for everyone, not just some that show enabled us to start you know i was disappointed when, you know, the big thing is learning leadership and how to be a good boss. and working on the apprentice. there was a very large lgbtq community working for him and then helping him be

successful and then he came out with all this anti lgbtq stuff and i was surprised because i didn't think that's what he was trying to show us that to be a good boss that in a good boss my opinion, my humble opinion how will the farewell tour be done? what is it you want to accomplish with that? if i might put it that way, where human beings and i'm in the business of the humanities. i'm hoping with this tour i can bring people together. i can contribute and help and meat things a little better. instead of the separation and the big divide cyndi lauper always doing it your way. thank you so much indeed up next, the mayor of paris takes the plunge

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organizers are doing everything they can to prove that they're ready, that includes mayor anne hidalgo taking one for the team with a dip in the river sand to show that it is clean enough for the swimmers but for the thousands of olympians taking part preparation has been hottest for the athletes of ukraine. they've endured heartbreaking loss, the destruction of their homes, and they've watched family members being sent to war with russia. amanda davies profiles one ukrainian high jumper who remains undeterred by all the tragedy robot normal jumped to, to bring to an end katerina tabashnyk olympic hopes for paris, but the ukrainian high jumper bowed out with a smile to a knowing, warm reception. from those watching on having struggled with injuries in recent weeks, she cleared 1.89 meters at the national athletics championships in lviv

not enough to qualify for the games but a moment that would have been beyond the realm. of most, given what the 30-year-old has been through in the last few years because he's done them one now the loss of my home, the loss of my dear mother, the loss of my friends and all this takes strength, takes energy. it's like a poison for the body. >> doesn't, but i know to hear catarina is mother tetyana was killed when a russian air airstrike struck her apartment building. two two years ago. she had returned to kharkiv, ukraine's second largest city to help care for her young grandson catarina is nephew, who was seriously injured in a previous attack katerina was told of the news by phone, confronted by her home in ruins, and serious questions about whether she wanted to continue her athletics career

what has kept you going? >> how have you got through it? >> one which view ron when i guess it's believed. >> you can't imagine how many times i wanted to give it all up. >> give up on sports, on jumping. but every time i pull myself together and say no. now i have to fight like never before of course, no, geraldo remarkably channeling that fight, saw katerina win her first medal at a major event, claiming an emotional broad wounds at the european championships last year, where she dedicated to her mother, will it will it just share anymore. it hurts that i can't hear her call her. like i always did but she tells me in my dreams that i will succeed any elite athlete will tell you how success depends on consistency, stability, and the

ability to have a single-minded focus on the job in hand. >> all luxuries that most ukrainian athletes aren't afforded in the face of russia's full-scale invasion there's is a team enduring grief, destruction of their homes and sports facilities family members sent to war, and life where sporting success is now being seen through a very different prism and over the next few weeks, those heading to paris may be forced to come face-to-face with a number of the russian and belarusians bores people we'll to have been allowed to compete at the olympics as neutral athletes, thanks to a ruling from the international olympic committee you have, which is should say, in the 21st century, this is an unacceptable attitude when people are dying people in one country and another country wants to live freely with impunity without responsibility

was no causal. words from the heart and first-hand experience from an athlete who's suffered tragedy. that has only strengthened her drive to reach new heights in her fight for her country amanda davis cnn the olympic committee, is accused of ignoring strict neutrality rules and the russian athletes who support the invasion of ukraine, human rights organizations are calling on them to be banned coming up next 55 years since the apollo 11 moon landing flashback to my archive conversation with astronauts michael collins on his voyage into the history books tomorrow, on the whole story political violence has always threatened our democracy after the obsession don trump's life. >> where does america go from here? the whole story with anderson cooper political violence, america as bloody history tomorrow at ten on cnn,

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collins play a starring role in the apollo 11 mission. he piloted the command module columbia, while neil armstrong and buzz aldrin made their historic descent to the surface, then he orbited alone for nearly a day until they returned from my archive. here's our conversation from 2019 on the 50th anniversary of the moon-landing, michael collins, welcome to the program thank you very much. >> christiane, and i'm enjoying being here. >> i just wanted to know whether you have a specific moment is specific memory from blast off to splash it's down. that stands out, especially for you i think of all weigh things that happened on apollo 11, there were so many of them i always regard the flight to and from the moon is like a long and fragile daisy chain of events but the. >> one that i think that is the unanimous favorite of most

space cruz is when you see those three parachutes open, wow, up until then, you you thought you were coming home, but you couldn't be 100% sure of it, but you see those beautiful parachutes on top of the yeah, apollo command module and you say, who are here we go. it's okay. >> wow, wow, you know what, in a way i hadn't expected you to say that because it does bring up the whole concept of cosmic death and what might have happened did you think about? death? did you think when you were up there that you might not come back or neil armstrong and buzz aldrin might not make it back off the moon into the module and back home au certainly the three of us were keenly aware of the dangers involved. >> but what was not something that we talked about. we never said oh? gosh, hasn do it that was way back in some obscured, dark corner of our mind and we had more important things to do, if not more important, more

immediate things to take care of you surf needed and obviously, being on the moon, orbiting around as you are waiting for them and conducting your but unique and special mission was unbelievable. >> i just want to ask you whether you still remember that first glimpse that overwhelming glimpse of what you described as finally, a three-dimensional sphere that was the moon. you, you talk about it very in detail and poignantly in your book well, i don't know how poignant that view was, but it was certainly an impressive view that tiny little silver sliver that's lives in up above my backyard had been replaced by gigantic three-dimensional, bulbous thing that was almost trying to push his way into our window the sun was coming from behind, so it was the sun's rays were

cascading around the rim and look gave it a wonderful illumination accentuating the highs of the craters and the lows of the mario upon which the craters were raised. it was it was a great thing however, it was nothing compared to seeing the earth from afar. that was the main chance that was obviously everybody has spoken to you an asu about what it was like not to walk on the moon that you were the one still up there orbiting and you didn't get a chance. but i find it so cool that the way you talk about it is that you celebrated this unique position that you are in to be able to manage the whole thing and get them back safely and land them safely. an old recipe. tell me a little bit about how you saw your mission, even though you didn't step foot on the moon? we didn't step foot on the

moon. >> well, they the question that is usually asked me is were you not lonely as alone as person who had ever been on a lonely voice around the moon and the lonely orbit you are isolated and you're lonely thoughts weren't sure terribly lonely. and i was just amazed by that as i know, i was no way lonely. i felt very much a part of what was going on with neil and buzz. i was their ticket home the whole apparatus, the procedures, the machinery at all, been put together to be worked by three people and the third that i had, i didn't clearly i did not have the best sate on apollo, but i was delighted to have the one that was really the culmination of john f. kennedy's dream to put someone on the moon by the end of the decade that ticket home

and michael collins passed away in april of 2021 at the age of 90. his legacy of course, lives on as nasa advised, to send astronauts back to the moon for the first time since 1972. but the race is on. china has just brought bought back the first ever samples from the far side of the moon. and nasa artemis moon landing mission has been pushed back until 2026 at the earliest when we come back, the daughter of president lyndon b. johnson makes a dramatic appeal the attempt on trump's life, having experienced the long shadow of political violence from the 60s maybe on the edge, moments that shaped our culture coming this fall on cnn accidents have sweep it up the easy way would the helio air brew the lightweight, flexible

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endured the agony of president kennedy's assassination president ford's attempted assassinations, and the assassination of robert kennedy and martin luther king our parents are gone but our families stand together calling for peace and healing in these difficult days. >> i just want to know what you feel in the intervening week or so since that horror that happened last weekend. and whether you think given the experience that you also had in 1968 with the violence of the the democratic convention within the assassinations of wealth just before the assassinations of robert kennedy. and also of martin luther king how you put that in context? with the risks to the nation today, i think the 19th the 1960s grabbed at the heartstrings of everybody of

age, of memory may date the events in their lives before and afterwards i think in many ways we will do the same again. but i think we've got to pull ourselves together as a country and say, how can we come together united as americans, regardless of our political preferences and treat each other with respect and with commitment to peace in our time. >> so do you think that the country can actually use this moment to come together or is that wishful thinking i think we must come together. >> one of the things that i'm so grateful for my father used all of these chilling moments and americans history during his time to serve the greater

good we've got to take the horrors that happen in our time and turn them towards the greater good for all time. >> my hope for america is my hope for the kamara of all of the world that somehow we can come together to recognize the good that is an, each of us, if we don't, the consequences are simply too grave and you can see the rest of our conversation online at amanpour amanpour.com. >> that's all we have time for this week. don't forget, you can find all of our shows online as podcasts at cnn.com slash podcast, and on all other in london. thank you for watching. and i'll see you next time.