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seeing some of the families drooping out trump is here. >> we expect donald trump on the stage at any moment, we actually heard from j.d. vance or layer, the first time he went to a campaign event, started talking to the people the vice presidential nominee. here's what he said president trump. >> in other words, wants to build a country that actually works for the citizens of this country. once again, he did it for four years he did it so successfully for four years. we've never think about this. my friends, we have never had an election where you have four years of one guy and four years of the other guy. >> and who could possibly reject the idea that for years of president trump has been a hell of a lot better than four years of joe biden, right no obviously, there consistent messaging with former president trump was continuing to say, once you better off under my administration now, as we're how it is brown, i could not

tell you how many people have packed into this arena there are thousands of people, many of them told us outside they were here to prove a point after but butler, pennsylvania rally is the first time that donald trump has held a rally since then, obviously one big difference back at this one is inside, but that is not the i only security measure. there are a number of changes that we have seen. what the streets around this arena are closed down the thing you never see during these trump rallies and drive attended many. we know there are extra secret service agents on the ground, extra seat secret service agents traveling with him. he has a bigger footprint meeting, a bigger motorcade. he's also had safe police, including aerial security, talking about helicopters. we also know there is more law enforcement on the ground than we have seen at previous rallies after that shooting, secret service requested 50 to 60 more local officers so obviously they have really beefed up security. now what's happening right now is that donald trump is back

backstage with j.d. vance. they're sitting down for their first joint interview that they will come take the stage and jessica, what we're looking for is what they actually look like as a team. this is the first time we're really seeing the top of the ticket on the campaign trail. what is what is their chemistry like? one of the things that donald trump liked about jd vance's that they got along so well, will not have the american people have really seen that until tonight so obviously it'll be interesting to see their dynamic as we head into this last four boundaries of the campaign yeah, we'll be keeping an eye on that, kristen holmes in michigan. >> thanks so much. we're going to plan to take that rally live when the former president comes on, the state so we'll keep an eye on that for you on the democratic side, 35 democratic lawmakers are now calling on the president to suspend his campaign a source close to president biden tells cnn he's quote, seething at former speaker, nancy pelosi as he faces a new round of defections, some democrats believe new, those new calls came after pelosi warned biden,

he could lose in november and take the house with him cnn's priscilla alvarez joining us live from rehoboth beach, delaware, where the president is recovering from covid-19. and priscilla, you're learning about how some influential democrats are backing biden as he faces down this pressure from within his own party. what more can you tell us yeah, backing on a very important issue and that is money and donors. >> what we're learning from sources is that former president bill clinton and former secretary state hillary clinton had been privately urging donors to continue to donate. now, one source describing the couple as deferential to the president's decision another source saying they're deferential to the process. in other words, they want or believed that donors should continue to support president biden as long as he is the presumptive democratic nominee. now, of course this it comes against headwinds for this biden campaign, they have

struggled with donors, some of whom have been holding back their big dollar checks over concerns about the president's camp and it is sees some sources saying that it has become increasingly difficult to get donors to back this campaign because there are just so many questions circling whether or not the president isn't it remains in the race. the campaign, however, is repeatedly said on the airwaves and in statements that the president is going to stay in the race hitting the airwaves yesterday, biden, campaign chair jen o'malley, dillon, acknowledging that it has been in a tough few weeks a challenging time, and there has been some erosion of support. but that that essentially the president is going to stay in this race. so the president, while he is here and he has self-isolating while his symptoms are improving is certainly still grappling with a party that is not entirely behind him democratic lawmakers are still putting out letters today about the president's stepping aside. we anticipate

that could continue over the next few days. so certainly, this remains a challenging time, even though the campaign has multiple, on multiple occasions, tried to calm the nerves among allies donors, and lawmakers. so we are still in a bit of an uncertain period, even though some of the president's most loyal aides maintained that the president is dug in on staying in the race all right. >> priscilla alvarez for us there in rehoboth beach, delaware. thank you for that reporting and joining me now, cnn senior political commentator and former special assistant to president george w bush, scott jennings, and cnn senior political commentator and democratic strategist and former aide to president bill clinton, paul begala paul i want to start first with you just because we do have that new reporting that priscilla was just outlining about those sources telling cnn that the clintons, both of them are privately telling donors to continue donating and supporting president biden. this is we're getting reporting about house speaker nancy pelosi and other prominent

democrats who are, who are trying to convince him to step aside. i'm just curious what you make of all of those dynamics together what i think president clinton is i don't talk about private conversations that may or may not have had with president clinton. i can tell you though there's not an ancient daylight between president clinton and president biden he did. >> president clinton. i get the strong sense that he's all-in for joe biden. now that is apparently not where speaker emerita pelosi is. and i have to say present biden has a lot of impressive accomplishments. i don't think she he had gotten any of them without nancy pelosi. so the notion that somehow she has betrayed him it's not true. she is a great democratic, the finest legislative leader in all american history. and parties exist to win they don't exist to be a family. they're not religion, they're not your home. they have one purpose. and that is to win. and when democrats believed that you don't help them win they're going to cut you loose. it is like mr. trump is fond of

quoting hannibal lecter. let me quote another fictional character, the late great hyman roth, a gangster in the godfathers system, michael corleone. >> he says, this is the business we've chosen and this is the business joe biden is chose. >> it's a pity less business, and he has no i think no reason to feel betrayed at all and yet there is reporting that he does feel betrayed by via these allies which is just again, an interesting dynamic. >> scott trump's new running mate, senator j.d. vance it's tweeted today, arguing if biden is being called the step aside as the nominee, that he also needs to resign, which i would think is kind of what we're going to hear more and more of from the republican side do you think this validates some democratic? concerns that calling on biden to suspend his campaign as is just further weakening him well, i think what vance is arguing is a completely legitimate point. >> i started making this point on the night of the debate when

people immediately started wondering, can he continue? its not really a campaign question. if you don't think he can continue to campaign and you don't think he's fit to serve in january. it is legitimate to ask. is he fit to serve as commander in chief? today, we a lot of things going on in the world, i think is going on in the country. >> and all the reporting has raised a lot of questions about what's going on in the white house, who's in control? >> parole, how does it operate on a daily basis? so i think vance's is raising a good question and yes. i think all these democrats who are coming out against joe biden, i think they're trying to as paul pointed out, they're part of a party and they wanted to win an election, but somebody needs to ask them, are you satisfied that joe biden is fit to serve today? because i think if they were being honest, a lot of them might say i'm not so sure. >> paul, what do you think about all that yeah. >> i actually talked to him and i love scott. >> these are two very different things. i haven't encountered anybody. >> i've been talking to hundreds of people believing the senate members, ai house no one has said to me they think he's unfit to conduct the

duties of the presidency. >> no one what they say yes, i'm worried he's going to lose. >> right? it's all about polling and about running for office at nothing to do with his fitness, to serve as president. >> they just think he's a drag on the ticket now, i have to say the republican convention has actually energizes democrats every the first time since the debate, first time in three weeks, the democrats were fired up because they watched that speech to a woman and a man. i was getting texas saying well, we can beat this guy. i mean, he was terrible. you told her fitness to lead. i mean, if i gave a speech like that, my wife and throw net over me and they'd hall me off. he was thetic they had the convention it was great. >> the potential is great, except for the vice president joe candidate speech and a presidential candidate speak. but the former stripper was grade and a former rocker was great and the former wrestler was great and former wife beater, i wouldn't put him up there, but he did a good job. it was mr. trump who tanked the whole thing is emboldened democrats it's i got to tell

you, it's got there has been about shot in the arm for my party the time when we needed it and hold the republican party, but hold on. hold on. the republican party is now the party of f-a-n. i can see how much does angers you and upsets you. you're welcome. if you want, washed and all the funds and never in battle and donald trump's speech was stolen so bad that the minute that it ended, the most endangered senate democratic incumbent in the country, jon tester of montana, put out a statement demanding that joe biden get out of the race. that's how bad it was and the next day, even more democrats came out, came out against joe biden. so yes, it was i'm sure it was so terrible that democrats were because they think that the hills, they think trump because really vulnerable. they think they can beat trump and they're right. kamala harris would beat trump. gretchen whitmer would beat trump. jb pritzker would beat trump. andy beshear would beat trump. josh shapiro would beat trump. wes moore would beat trump. >> i can go on stone, loser. and i think that's why democrats are looking for somebody who perhaps can carry the fight a little more aggressively scott, i want to look ahead to this rally that we're keeping an eye on.

>> we are going to plan just for everyone's planning purposes to take that live when, when when former president trump takes the stage, but i'm thinking about the independent voters in michigan that have maybe voted for trump and then voted for biden. and now maybe don't know who they're gonna vote for this time around. i understand this rally is full of really energized base and that is clear but you need those swing voters to help probably get you over the line in a state that's probably going to be won on the margins. what can he say to them? or j.d. vance, that can appeal. do you think to those types of voters? >> well, you need a couple of different things. you need to swing voters. that's absolutely true. and if you have the capability, you need to change the composition of the electorate. i have no doubt that in that crowd today there are swing voters and there are also people who are completely disconnected from our civic life. people who rarely vote, if ever, maybe even people who registered to vote for the first time today. that is trump's great ability in this

campaign to reach into a pool of voters that joe biden really cannot get or communicate with and bring them in. it's not actually dissimilar to what brock obama was able to do in 2008, he had access to people that no one else could touch. they were energized by him and him alone. so i think it's actually two groups and here's what he's he's going to tell him. you have an opportunity here to compare my presidency and how you felt in terms of your own personal finances and personal security. and you can compare that to joe biden's. and when you look at all the polling right now, whether you're a swing voter, or whether you're not, most people agree donald trump was a better president than joe biden. he has a better job approval for his presidency today when you ask people to compare it to joe biden. so it's actually not all that complicated. were you better off under me or are you better off under him? and if that's the question they convey, i think the answer is going to lead them to a victory in michigan and a lot of other states too. >> and paul, i want to get your take on this, but we've got to squeeze in a quick break. stay with us. let's take a quick break and we'll be right back

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about nortech ott from pfizer things i'm elizabeth wagmeister in los angeles and this is cnn now we are keeping our eye on the rally with former president trump, his first since the attempted assassination last weekend, we will keep our eye on that in the meantime, i'm very happy we to have with us scott jennings and paul begala. thanks for sticking around during that commercial break at scott, you would just i just asked you about these kind of independent or swing voters and paul, i wanted to get your

thoughts on that and i'm thinking about a suburban mom outside of philadelphia those are the kind of voters that joe biden was able to coalesce last time what do you think they're thinking as they watch this all play out yet, taken a cr freak show that there is no home for them there. >> what if donald trump, here's a thought exercise with donald trump and put nikki haley on the ticket great appeal to those voters. okay. i still don't agree with her on the issues, but she has great appeal to them she she or chris christie, these from a very blue state, new jersey, carried it twice second time in a landslide they could have reached out to those voters. they don't want them you know, mr. trump, this is amazing. he's now got to lead in all the polls but it's because biden has dropped not because trump has moved up. >> he survived a week ago and we thank god for this. he survived an assassination attempt a week ago and he hasn't gained a point. reagan went to 73 when right. when he got shot. and again, thank god

reagan, survive that god, mr. trump's survived but he's gotten no sympathy, noplat why? >> because the country doesn't want him mr. trump has never in his entire career commanded the support of the majority of american people in the country, just doesn't want them. and maybe that's why the pressure is so high on joe biden. i will note that the powerful democratic senator menendez was convicted of 16 felonies this week. and all the democrats say, let's expel him, mr. trump is convicted of 34 four felonies. all the republicans say, let's elect him. i think that says something to those suburban voters and scott, what we're looking ahead to how this all continues to play out going off of what paul is talking there about their about the polling, how this has kind of remained a steady race. >> trump has is polling is staying the same and biden's is dropping. so that's where he's getting these bigger leaves what do you think that says that trump's not been able to push those numbers up well, i

don't think either of them are ever going to be able to command any kind of a massive national landslide. it just doesn't work that way anymore and it's not going to work that way for either one of them, donald trump's kind of a 50-50 guy, about half the country loves and about half the country doesn't. as paul pointed out. and so i think the polling is always going to exist in a narrow band. and for him, but that's not how we elect the president. we elect the president, the electoral college. and right now, donald trump leads in about 14 of the top five swing states. i mean, you look at the map we've got states on the map and haven't got run i ran george w bush's campaign in thousand 400 new mexico. we have not won, republicans have not won new mexico in 20 years. it's now on the map where paul lives in virginia. it's on the mat, new jersey minnesota, look around. the map is getting bigger and whether trump's going up or biden is going down. i can read a map and i know the net result of it. and right now the net result is of joe biden's a candidate is going to be an electoral college landslide. and that's how we elect the president. >> and scott, if, if it seems

to bear out in the polling that not no one in america is thrilled with either of their toward very few people to make are thrilled with either of their choices that they would like fresh people on both sides. if the democrats, and obviously there's many steps from a to z here. but if the democrats, i'm being told the rally is starting, so hold that thought. i'll be we're going to dip into this rally. and here with me to say well that worked so hard and perhaps weren't treated like they should have been, but they were treated that way four years ago. >> i can tell you that we're going to get it back bigger, better, stronger than ever before. thanks. do you very much is thrilled to be back in the great state of michigan with thousands and thousands susan, i mean, lots of thousands up here is a hell of an arena like, you, are the

hard work in patriots, so we love, you know, they have crowds of people outside, you did not even going to believe it. they go blocks and blocks but let's forget about them right? let's forget about let me begin this evening with a very special thanks to american it's nationwide including all of you here today for your extraordinary outpouring of love and support in the wake of the horrific last saturday event how would you think of it? >> it was exactly one week ago today, almost to the hour even to the minute what a day it was as i said earlier, this week, i stand before you only by the

grace of almighty god. >> that's true. >> maybe j, d, or somebody else who would be here, but i shouldn't be here right now. but something very, something very special happens. let's face it, something happened i wanted to thank butler memorial hospital in pennsylvania for the incredible job they did service. they gave an all of the great citizens of butler, pennsylvania and the surrounding area and everyone else the job they did and the love that they showed us all. it was a credible actually, what time that was what a time that was nobody seen anything like it and hopefully they never will again. >> and they had cameras blazing. >> i guess it was different in that way too, because we're right in the middle of golda's

see, look at all the news back there and they we're all blazing. they were they were going now know they covered it fairly. they couldn't believe what they were saying either did you did cover it fairly. >> let me also thank congressman ronny jackson from texas, you know, congressman ronny jackson for the care and treatment he gave me as an outstanding dr. which she is really an amazing guy was running docker on his ear some place thank you, rodney thank you very much great, doctor. >> who's a great ad bruen, a great doctor is the white house doctor for bush. >> obama and a guy named trump and they said, who was that healthiest of the three. >> he said not even a question, trump. >> and i said, i love that guy.

when he said that that was my doctor, even if he's the congressman though is by dr. but he's been a great congressman. thank you very much, your honor, for everything we appreciate it. ronny jackson we continue to pray for the recovery the two citizens who were wounded in that evil attack, david, dutch, and james copenhaver to really incredible people we remain in contact and send our deepest respect to the families is gori, as you now, corey comparator was a brave fire who died funeral yesterday. >> shielded his wife and daughters from bullets. you shielded them from the bullets of this this horrendous person, corey was a hero and we will carry his memory in our hearts for all right here that's great

any was a big trumper. >> and we will never forget him, right? >> we're all together we're all together. this has never been anything like what you witnessed the other day with the convention? i don't think there's ever been a convention where there was such unity and love and even the now, i'll say just for a second, the fake news even set it that way i want to be nice but the fake news reported it correctly. that was never been such unity and everybody did a great job and the speeches and everything was just an incredible event. and i'll tell you what milwaukee was a fantastic place. this was a beautiful arena. they did a really great job and wisconsin is going to vote for us because we spent 250 million. when they go into the voting booth, they're going to say we love this sky trump.

he gave us 250 million with jobs a dagger about wisconsin's are very important state, as we know. but they really did wisconsin did a great job. milwaukee. >> they did a great job in the arena was fantastic and it was just love. >> it was like a big, beautiful four day love fest. there was no there was no fight you know, there was no fight, no screams, no shouting know, get that guy off the platform. and in case there was we had the hoekstra with us right? >> how good was he how good was the hugs and kid rock call these that i want to get, you you know, kid rock is big get he wanted to get down and he did an unbelievable job but all, of them everybody we had so many great people there. it was really an amazing thing to say and it was really something i don't think there's ever

been a lot of people report. i think either party there's never been anything like it. and now we have something coming up with egg going to go before the convention and they have a couple of problems. ammo when they have no idea who they can, they they it is. and neither do we that's a problem but we'll see hopefully they get it worked out sort of interesting. >> this guy goes and he gets the votes and how they want to take it away. that's democracy. they talk about the blockers. >> let's take it away from him. but now we go forward as one movement and really we're doing a very, very special group of people like the people here, you people built this country it's one movement. were more united determine than ever before we've never been so determined bad things happened less he said we're not going to let them happen this time. bad, bad things happen we will never stop working to deliver a magnificent future for our

people and together we will fight, fight, fight, right and we will win, win, win thank i like this never walk in, do a place and you say, i shouldn like this place less than four months from now, we are going to win michigan. >> we are going thank you to take back the white house. >> monumental landslide and with your help, we are going to make america great again right and aren't convention on just a little while ago in milwaukee and thursday, it was my

tremendous honour to officially accept the republican nomination for president of the united states and i used to say it in 2016 and i meant it 100%, but i made it even more now because this country has gone wrong we're a failing nation. we're really left at failing nation right now. this will be the most important election in the history of our country. this is going to be the most important we cannot let it slip by. we cannot let people cheap. we cannot let this slip by, or we're not going to have a country because i do have other things i could be doing would be a lot easier. although i'd rather be with you than sitting some gorgeous beach watching boring waves coming ai i'd rather i would ride with it actually i would i think that's one of the reasons we've been so successful together. >> you know, i mean, that to

but we're going to make our country more successful than ever before yet even as we gather this evening and take a look at still the democratic nominee we were going to find out shortly, maybe. i don't know what let's do this. >> let's do a poll. >> i loved doing polls right? like i do a poll. i do lots of balls like do you like make america great again, or do you like america first or do you like them both? i like them both, right let's do a poll on candidates running. so i'll go i'll go, we're going to do a poll on a few candid the press were like this because it wouldn't have to pay for the poll you know, they do these crazy polls and they charge you 250 look, there's mr. wall. this guy is the greatest guy this guy he must have a lot of money because he's had so many different rallies and, he was at the one that was a tough one was the year that was something you are right up in the front.

you saw that that was a thing. we're going to do a poll and it's going to be very, nice poll and dried who is your favorite candidate, who would you like let's do it. who would you most like to run against because you know, you could say who is the best candidate we're saying who would you like? we'll start with kamala harris and then and then we'll go they will go to crooked joe biden and then we could possibly discuss if so, who would you like to most run against if you're us if we want to win ready? kamala harris crooked joe biden all right i don't think we have to go too much further well, you have a terrible governor here. we did a terrible job i'd like

to run against her actually no, she is one of the funny that i mentioned she's the one that gave her husband full right. title and interest, everything, but nobody else could do anything but her husband her husband was sailing in the middle of your lake. your beautiful lake is out there selling and everybody else had to be locked up, right her husband but things like that. >> i mentioned during a campaign little things like that now she's done a terrible job, but i hope i would be very happy with her at this very moment democrat party bosses are franticly i'm trying to overthrow the results of their own party's primaries to dump crooked joe biden from the ballot. >> couldn't happen to a nicer guy and as you're seeing, the democrat party is not the party of democracy there really the enemies of democracy, the parties have corrupt insiders

like whitmer for special interests and the failed political class that's what they are under our leadership, the republican party is now the party of the people where the the party of hardworking americans of every race, religion, color, and three we become a very big party we become right fellas you know what i'm talking about? i love you guys. we love you guys know we become we become a very big party. we have increased in size. nobody's ever honestly in history there's never been anything like this movement and that may be in the history of the world. but let's keep it down to the country for right now, because that's but there's never been anything like maga when biden just we have to stop maga, we will stop me. >> i said, he doesn't know what maga stands for. >> it stands for make america great. again how can you be

against how can you you know, the other side's going around trying to make me he sound extreme. i'd like i'm an extremist i'm not i'm a person with great common sense. i'm not an extremist at all like some on the right severe right. >> came up with this project 25 and i don't even know. i mean, some of them i know who they are, but they're very, very concerned. jeremy, we've just like you have this sort of the opposite of the radical left, okay? you have the radical left and you have the radical right. and they come up with this. i don't know what the hell it is. it's project 25. he's involved in project and then the read some of the things and they are extremely seriously extreme but i don't know anything about it. i don't want to know when they think about it. but what they do is misinformation and disinformation. and they keep saying he's a threat to

democracy. i'm saying what they hell did i do? democracy? last week, i took a bullet for democracy hello? here's our gregg campaign man chris, are you having a good time? look at him? he's back there. cool. as a cucumber you know, so far they are giving us great credit for that the best run campaign they've seen in years isn't that night thank you, susie. thank you. look out. cooly is just it's there thanks at it. try doing it with another candidate sometime. >> stuff right? >> anyway, thank you very much, great job au prince, susie, the whole group, we have a great group of people they love this country. they want to save the country as what we're doing

with your vote. in this election. the trump vance administration, by the way, i made the right, becky, so glad they were all good. >> they're all he's really he's really stepped up. >> but the trump answered administration will begin rapidly they reversing every single biden harris disaster starting on day one you vote for biden, you're probably voting indirectly for harris anyway, with you like it common sense is still common sense, right we will end the inflation night fair, that you would have never had. >> we had no inflation see, there's another thing biden always goes an inherited 9% inflation. and even the radical left reporters up there look all of them well, they have a lot of they have a lot of them

antika left reporters of which there are quite a few. >> i can't believe it. i don't know why they'd have, but the radical live report has saved the guys, right? you know, it wasn't until two years in that we became destroyed with inflation inflation is a country buster it's a class buster. it was everything low income, middle-income, especially. and they get bused there, busted, the country gets busted. look at germany from centuries ago, look at every country that's had inflation and we had ai, believed the greatest inflation and the history of our guy country, they don't even report are properly because they leave the worst numbers out. they don't talk about interest rates at went to 1011, 12%, and you can't get the money. so what does that mean? 12% of you can't get the money means it's higher from 2%. >> we will seal the border and we will stop this terrible

invasion that's destroying our we will crush migrant crime. we're going to crush migrant crime. au. we have a new the form of crime now it's called migrant crime the only good thing about these migrants coming in is they make our gang members and criminals looked like the nicest people you've ever met. these people are much tougher. they come from all over the world, not just from south america we're going to return law and order to our streets and restore patriotism to our schools. >> we gave you already the largest tax cut in the history of our country, larger than the reagan cuts. >> but now we will give you an additional tax cut. a number of tax cuts that will make it. we took in more money after the tax cuts and we did prior, we took in billions and billions of dollars more after the tax

cuts that we did, we had the greatest economy in the history of our country. everyone knows. >> we're gonna slash regulations. that's what created all of those jobs. >> and gave them bounce-back jobs, you know, the goal bounce-back jobs after covid, they bounced back. >> everybody knows that when you have something like covid, which you rarely happens. but when you have something like that to cool bounce-back jobs and we're going to bring down energy prices very rapidly. it was energy that caused the problem so stupidity. >> and we're going to bring it down very quickly. >> your energy bills will be cut in half at least some sections like in new england, i'll be able to cut there energy by 60, 70%. it's absolutely crazy what has happened with energy we, by the oil from venezuela. they used to be our enemy. i don't know. we buy from venezuela, it's not really well, it's tar. and you know, there's only one refinery in the world that can do it. it's very heavy, horrible stuff. it's garbage, it's tar you lifted. i said

that's not oil. >> we want light, sweet food. >> we have the best oil we had the best everything we go to venezuela, you know, where they refine it in houston, texas. >> it's the only plant in the world that can refine that stuff. >> so we go to venezuela, we pay him a fortune. we take that dictatorship, we make the dictatorship wealthy these people don't know what the hell they're doing. they're incompetent, they're grossly incompetent. that biggest threat is because we have incompetent that's the threat to democracy. it's a threat to our country we haven't competent people leading our country grossly incompetent people america's enemies will fear for us the united states will again command the respect that it deserves. viktor oroban, the very powerful leader of hungary said, when asked what happened with the world is falling to pieces. their wars all over. he said, bring back trump and laura poland it all ended. we had no problem and something beautiful

is going to happen brynn, because we will bring back the american dream and it'll be bigger, better, and bolder than ever before and, most importantly for the people of this great state you know, years ago, they gave me in michigan the man of the year that was long before his a politician, i was a business guy that well, i liked the state, but i don't know. i heard a man of the year, michigan, i said that school as good. i'm going to make that trip. i didn't know why they were given to me nothing they were given it to me for i guess fact that i employed a lot of people. i did real well. this is probably 14 years ago. and i came in and i said, why do you allow foreign countries like mexico? mexico's, we think of them as friendly, but they haven't been too friendly lately. how about where they

asked biden to meet just to meet, they want $2 billion to me. they wouldn't ask that. see, they wouldn't even ask me that because i'd say i will put 100% tariffs on everything you send into it. country even think about they want $2 to meet in other otherwise we won't meet with you unless you pay us 2 billion us. >> and this is every single year here they want to billion works the opposite of that. the exact opposite but you know, when you see the things that are happening to our country and all you have to do is know how to speak. when i watched the way our border was handled, we had the best border, the safest border, the border that saved my life. you know? i was pointing to an immigration borders sign when i made this turn. and that thing went that way instead of that way so i you immigration my life is

true. >> you are listening to former president donald trump at his first it's rally since the attack assassination attempt on his life last saturday and since he has formally been nominated by the republican party as their presidential nominee for this election. i want to bring back in scott jennings and paul begala, who have been standing by with us it was interesting. we heard the former president talking about his experience during that assassination attempt t think that the doctors, he also talked about the convention last week. very pleased with how that had gone on. what i thought was really interesting was the way in which he immediately since himself from project 2025, which was put together by the heritage foundation and he effectively called them the radical right. scott, that's what he said is that there's the radical left. this is the radical right more than we should note, 140 people in his administration helped put that together. so he is very familiar with the face isn't the names and the brains

who were behind all of this. but what do you make of him? obviously, he's been trying to distance himself from that. but essentially calling them the radical right? >> yeah, he said what they were putting together was quote, extreme. and so he made the clearest statement yet right from the podium that he does not embrace this agenda no matter how many times democrats or joe biden or anybody else wants to tie it to him. he has himself from his own mouth, said, this is a radical right and what they're putting together is extreme. the things i also heard in the speech that i thought were excellent when he said i took a bullet for democracy, print, frame it, hanging in the loop. that is an amazing line. and i think you're going to hear that for the rest of the election. >> and you know, he's talking to voters out there. >> he's talking about inflation immigration, crime put patriotism back in our school tax cuts directly into my veins. that's going to appeal to every suburban

center, right? conservative. that's out there. so i think he's in rare form. i think they need to stop giving him prepared text just let him go. this is the donald trump. it will sell and can win an election and paul, him saying this is extreme about, about project 2025. >> do you think voters will believe him when look so many of the people behind that and i hear you, scott, i hear what you're saying that he is saying it out loud, that he's rejecting it. but why? do you think voters will believe him or do you think voters will believe him? paul not going to believe him for a second. >> he is the master of misinformation. i don't want to use the l word, but he lives all the time. >> it's trump respiration. he inhales air and exhales, lies this project 2025 put together by trump's staffers for mr. trump, it's his agenda, the heart of it is, this is really frightening. the heart of it is a maga takeover of all the nonpartisan civil service folks to give them a purity test for

maga lunacy. so that the cancer researchers at nih would have to be keep maga nutcases that the rocket scientists at an asset would have to be maga extremist, so that the scientists at epa would have to be by the way, trump tried to sign this in as an executive order when he was still president joe biden and did it. so we know he wants to do it. we know he tried to do it and by the way, on the matter of lies he told a whopper right at the end there, jessica. >> he has this thing. it's delusional. it nutty, it's fictitious that he was named man of the year in michigan. okay. our daniel dale a fact checker at cnn, has checked this again and again, again, i'm reagan daniel's piece here on my ipad nobody daniel writes, has ever been able to find any evidence that he was ever named man of the year in michigan. >> it just never happened. he's delusional. he needs help seriously. >> he he's he's really not a healthy man and i think that we need a little intervention here because mr. trump seems really

out of his head it's got well, let me let me let me let me say something else about the 2025 griff was really interesting to me. >> and i think there should speak to paul's heart because he pioneered it he said, you've got people on the extreme, right? you've got people on the extreme left donald trump positioning himself squarely in the middle of the country positioning. you're triangulating yourself right to the middle. brilliant. he's in general election mode right now, coming out of the republican national convention, paul knows about this. he wanted to elections on it and it's what trump is doing to moderate while the democrats au on. meanwhile, the democrats right now are the party of democracy is, i guess having a coup against the sitting president, united states. >> and meanwhile, donald trump's on national television, pudding phil clearly as a moderate in the center of america, i mean, this is a good day for donald trump, except scott, i will note though he surrounds himself, i

just want to note though, that he does welcome and surround himself by pretty extreme right. figures and has embraced that, has a history of embracing that. and that's just the facts so i guess the question is, is he just saying this or is this actually something that he really wants to do? is he actually rejecting this ideology because it's been a big part of his base for as long as he's been in policy national politics here's what people don't want to exist or trump. >> donald trump is really an extreme conservative. >> he never has been, he was a nice conservative perkin into 2016 primary, beat all the conservatives. he actually is. i don't know what you call it, but what it's not a traditional conservative right out of the heritage foundation and right out of the mold of the he's not that he's a center right, moderate, and maybe even not even center right on a lot of issues paul, i want to let you get in there. >> go ahead. >> yeah. >> mr. trump, is the reason

that roe v. >> wade was overturned since roe was overturned 14 states have enacted laws that are exactly what mr. trump and j.d. vance, who is very extremist, even more extremist running mate, one no abortion, even in the case of rape or incest. the american medical association did a study in january. so that's seven months ago, they published a study that said, since roe was overturned 54,565 women have become pregnant by rape in the states that no longer allow abortion in the case of right now the rapes haven't stopped. they just stopped a study in january. this is the most extreme position that one can have. mr. vance, his running mate, you mentioned al gore and bill clinton quentin pick more because gore was a moderate like clinton i suspect mr. trump picked vance because of answers an extremist. >> it like like mr. trump, vance, he gave a speech at edit at a high school in california. >> jd did where he said, women in violet marriages should

remain in the marriage. >> okay. that's really, really extreme he he opposes abortion even in the case of rape, even in the case of incest. this is the most extreme element of american society that mr. trump has brought onto his ticket. and believe me, voters are going to know about it i mean scott do you want to respond to that? >> yeah, i do. >> because donald trump has made his position on abortion perfectly clear. it's the old ronald reagan position. he is pro-life. he believes in the three exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother. and he has said that that's what he's his policy preference should be. he supports in vitro fertilization. he supports access to contraception. he supports a mainstream republican view of pro-life issues that date that dates back to ronald reagan and donald trump, whether it's j.d. vance, the heritage foundation, or the man in the moon is not going to subjugate himself to anyone else's views. he never has. and i suspect

that he never will. and you can try to look look what's happening. everything that's being thrown at donald trump is coming from someone else. au, it's this think tank oh, it's this other person. listen to the words coming out of his mouth. he's saying things that appeal to huge swaths of the the country. his positions are very, very moderate and mainstream on that. >> he also said, i was the one and he was very proud. i was the one that killed roe v. wade. i mean, he he he's kind of all over the place sometimes on where he wants to land and i get that we're in a general election now. but he's been very proud of that but, but, but rowley wade going away via the dobbs case does not end abortion in the united states of america, it's simply moves into the political process and no abortion laws are going to pass at the federal level by the way, because the congress won't do it, they've never have 60 votes in the senate to do anything thank one way or the other. >> they want so the policy is going to be made at the states just like it is on infinite

other issues, states make policy and they enact policy. and that's the way the founders intended when they design the u.s. constitution and trump as a policy maker and as the head of the republican party has said, i'm pro-life, and i believe in the three exceptions, my sense is just people will probably take their cues from him. >> and paul just before i let you all go, just generally, what we're talking about now is we're more generally trying to see trump moderate in his words, right? the words he's saying out loud, he's trying to at least the appeal to try to moderate here what do you make of the tone that we're hearing? and also the fact that in the end, it's actions that people believe and do you expect to see actions that backup? the tone that we're getting right? >> if you want to be moderate, you don't pick j.d. vance you know, we've had nine vice president's exceed to the presidency in our history. that's pretty high batting average. >> so there's a real chance, maybe 50, 50 chance that mr.

trump becomes president. >> and then there's some whatever chance that his vice president succeeds him. as has happened so many times? >> so he he wants a man a heartbeat away from the president that has his same views on issues like abortion, make no mistake about it scott may want to put try to put lipstick on his hog, but donald trump is the reason that millions of american women, after 49 years under roe v. >> wade have lost their rights. and it's only going to continue. he's going to continue to stack the judiciary with these ultra ultra right-wing lawyers and judges who are going to take away your right to ivf, like they tried to do in alabama, who are going to take away your right to contraception. this project 2025 wants to ban mifepristone, the abortion and pill. as many republicans do. >> you're going to have a national abortion and that's just one issue. >> by the way, he bragged in that speech about his tax cuts, which was 2.5 trillion that went to the wealthiest people in america and that's

including mr. trump. so it made when he can see a way to do it for himself he's all in, this is just not a guy who i think is going to has got a record that middle-class americans can rally to the democrats, need to take that fight to him. that's the most important thing. and frankly, they haven't been doing it for the last couple of weeks. >> they've been busy forming a circular firing squad, right? >> alright. scott bagala and i'm sorry, scott jennings and paul begala thank you both. i'm just going to merge into one thank you both i want to be in the paul begala family would be a joy. i would accept i appreciate both of you thank you both for sticking around. good to see you coming up. we have new details on president biden's thinking this weekend, amid pressure to drop out of the race a live report with new reporting. >> next we are around the clock. >> should stay in take right? this is atlanta. >> what do you think her team still add in pieces and still have the draft in free agency.

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