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at the white house and this is cnn this is cnn breaking news good evening. i'm laura coates in washington, dc as we continue covering the breaking news of this very historic day in america and we are indeed witnessing history. i mean period, full stop. we talk about the pilot possibility of it happening. people were tripping over themselves to tell you the world about what was going on behind closed doors, weren't thing and it wasn't clear whether democrats wouldn't take yes or no no for an answer from joe biden. but tonight, it's official president joe biden bowing out of the 2024 race. but he didn't stop there with that announced yes, ma'am. or leave any room to wonder whether he truly believed in his running mate, vice president kamala harris he immediately gave a ringing endorsement and of her to replace him saying, quote democrats, it's time to come

together and beat trump let's do this and do this. the donors did the floodgates opening tonight, all the fundraiser is democrats raising get this more than 46 million and counting in small dollar donations in just the hours since the announcement let me go right to cnn correspondent priscilla alvarez. she's been in rehoboth with the president united states, priscilla what more are you learning about the president's decision and how all of this unfolded today laura, it has been a remarkable day that is now shaken. >> the 2024 president and cheryl action, the president up until this weekend was defiant that he was staying in the presidential race, including his top brass, taking to the airwaves today hey, to say he wasn't going anywhere. but as the president was self-isolating in his delaware residence after is positive

covid diagnosis he was also reflecting, we are now learning that on saturday evening he summoned his top advisors to his rehoboth beach home, where they huddled and they assess the polling and what democratic lawmakers had been saying over the last several weeks as they were calling for him to step aside. and it was during those moments, the president began to come to the decision that he was going to drop out of the presidential race, then came today and the president designing to tell us why peter team the senior white house and campaign team that he had indeed come to that decision, that he was going to drop out of the race. he told them a minute before posting that letter publicly that he was no longer going to seek reelection. so this really was a remarkable moment and one that came together quite quickly after what has been weeks of the campaign, trying to face these headwinds. winds

from democratic lawmakers, allies, donors, who said the president just wasn't up to the task to go up against former president donald trump. now, of course, after the president released that letter, he also said that he was going to endorse vice president kamala harris and urge the democratic party to come together and support her. now, sources also tell me that the vice president did not learn about the president's decision until today. and over the course of the day, they spoke multiple times. the vice president, then having to work the phones, her so she has been calling members of congress civil rights leaders as well as governors to try to get their endorsements. one of those endorses beings from congressional hispanic caucus, i'm told she called the chair saying that she wanted to earn the nomination and have their support. and that is indeed what she got today. now, the first time we're going to see the vice president since this announcement will be tomorrow when she celebrates the ncaa

doublet championships at the white house, the president is still self-isolating the white house doctor says he's doing better, but he is still behind thank closed doors here in delaware. >> so we've heard obviously in read this really a political dear john letter, priscilla, when will we actually hear from president advise you hearing anything about that? >> the white house has not yet said when exactly the president is going to address the nation. as you mentioned in that letter, the president makes a note to say that he is going to address the nation and we have been asking for when that speech is expected to happen, it is still unclear, of course, the president has been recovering from covid and while we have been getting routine updates from the white house, doctor that he is starting to feel better and that his symptoms according to the doctor today, have improved significantly. it still very unclear when he's going to return to the white house and when he's going to address the nation. but there is no doubt that there will be a lot of

eyeballs on that speech because today, while making a seismic shift in, his campaign, we still have not not seen or heard from the president directly outside of that letter, laura priscilla. thank you so much. i want to continue the conversation now with cnn contributor and author of joe biden, the life, the run and what matters now, evan osnos, cnn, legal commentators, ashley allison bakari, sellers, maria cardona, and former republican and this man, joe walsh a full panel gives a really, really big moment, evan, let me go to you first because we've heard a lot about what may have gone into this decision. certainly president biden is not immune to the conversations he knows what's been going on. we're told he'd been huddling with his two closest advisers early as yesterday they showed him that there was no path to victory. but knowing biden, as you do, how excruciating do you think the last three weeks alone 48 hours have been for him? >> yeah, you have to think

about laura, what it takes to decide to run for president. you have to believe that you can. and not only that, but you must be the president, which is just a specialty grueling under the last three weeks in which in effect, his own party to party to which he's devoted his professional life was telling him this period is coming to an end in the last few days, you heard signs of him digging in, as people said, did know this was bringing out the irish in him, but the reality was, when he was faced with the cold, hard facts of his political path from the two people who he truly does trust with his political life, mike donilon and steve richetti. it was inescapable and but i can tell you that really even today when he was breaking the news on a zoom call with members of the white house staff. it was stunning for some people, for some it was felt like a bitter defeat for others, it felt like a relief and i think for everybody, it felt like the next phase has already begun do you know when he broke that news on the zoom call, what was his demeanor like it was

somber. >> he read his letter word for word he really wasn't ready yet to do the pep-talk, which you will need to do. >> i mean, the next step in the process for his for him to try to bring people together behind kamala harris, who he has endorsed. but that was not the moody was in today as somebody said to me, who was on the call, you could see that he has been wrestling with this after all, he's been down with covid. it's the accommodate is really a rare moment, laura, it's one of those rare moments in american politics that comes around we occasionally, when you see somebody do the big hard thing, which is putting themselves ultimately behind the country and the party. and i think at a time when it's pretty dispiriting in american politics that's something to take note of. even as we begin to think about the political calculations. >> i mean, it's been decades to roman lbj. now, biden will have his own place in history as somebody who did not seek re election in this context, they bring in ashley here because like you are a biden-harris 2020 20 alum. >> and i have been dying to know what was your reaction

because we've had this conversation about everyone has been talking around and about biden. >> what was your reaction that he actually bowed out? but of this race and then a full-throated endorsement of vice president kamala harris will unfold transparency i was taking a nap when my mom came in and said he's out but first before i do that, i want to say thank you to joe biden. i worked for him to get them reelected as vice president. i worked for him when he was vice president and i worked to help get him elected in transition into the white house. and so when those stories are written about why but leadership looks like, joe biden's name will be first in line. so thank you for what you have done for america, for black people and for the world, writ large so two things happened you know, bakari deals with a lot of elected officials and i work with some more movement groups and organizing group groups first, the texts was he's out then a couple minutes later, it was he endorsed camila and my phone went, wow, i'm excuse me, the

future president of the united states it went, wow, and people were excited. i'm talking about leaders that run some of the largest grassroots organizations in the moment. and i wasn't ohio earlier today celebrating my anc when 70th birthday have birthday on going and had to rush back here. and in the moment i was having a conversation with my mom and she reminded me when barak obama someone was running in 2008 as an older black person who was afraid for the first black president, united states. i said, mom, he can win if people like us support him and she reminded me. and so for the last couple of weeks, poses debate, she's been saying, what do we do? well, at 10:59 tonight, she texts me for the first time. she got on the wind with black woman call were 34 black women are organizing for common doubt 34,000 so horny. >> it against me, but no, 34,000 black women are information who helped get her

elected in 2020, who helped get ketanji brown jackson, seats secured on the supreme court and will help elect the first black president, female black president in the united states. so there are people who read polls and then there are people who read people and in a moment like this, the polls are not going to be able to harness what is actually happening in our communities, in our culture. and it's not going be an easy fight, but it's a fight pick folks are ready good to have. >> i mean, bakari momentum is on her side and the way that she's describing right now but there are those who are still naysayers who are going to look at this and number one, point out that space between he is out and the next hex that he had endorsed her and collective breaths being held the other part of it, people saying, well, hold on a second i mean this is a coronation. this is not a competitive process. what do you say to those people? >> well, it's an open primary that's about over. okay. i mean, in part of that is because of the work that the commonly harris was able to do today and the campaign you know, many of us have been, you

know, making sure that people know that we stand with joe biden but if he makes the personal decision that he doesn't want to run then we have to be able to galvanize behind her pretty quickly. and that was executed pretty flawlessly. so that's first second we can see that the history that kamala harris represents, right? we can see that she will be the first african american i can woman and all those other things. what and that energy will come. what we have to do though is go out and build these coalitions of other voters and bring them into the fold. >> i mean this for you said almost $47 million i mean, it's going up from that that ain't nothing to shake a stick it, but i think i think where we were for the past three weeks are talking about issues that was incoming, are headwinds and we weren't able to delve into a contrast. >> and so now for example, you're going to have kamala harris who believes that women should have the right to do with their bodies as they please between a decision of their doctor, whoever they pray to, their family, whereas

donald trump is somebody who put three the justices on the supreme court that overturned roe v. wade. you're going to be able to talk about project 2025 in the fact that kamala harris is running against now who is the oldest person to ever seek the office of president of the united states. and so, you know, donald trump is a vessel for white grievance. and he looks in the past, often, joe biden actually had an astounding for the past and so he oftentimes looked in the past two now you have a campaign and you have kamala harris, who on echoing to anyone who will listen, you don't really have to mention donald trump's name that often because we can see the contrast. but you have to be able to articulate a vision for the future. and i think she'll be able to do that clearly you, their first ad, trump's first ad tonight was about what does she know? when did she know what about yesterday in joe biden. it wasn't even about a future under donald trump we have to focus and tell people what america will look like under kamala harris. and then she has to get outside of dc he is something she's been doing and she has to go to the suburbs these excerpts and some

place that democrats don't like to go, which bothers me. so they got to go to rural america and talk to these rural voters. and they got to tell them what they can do for them. >> on that point. >> that is what former president trump thinks that j.d. >> vance can do for him to talk about the rest belt and role america, there was a lot of talk about this split-screen before about j.d. vance and vice president kamala harris. now, we're seeing it's a very different split-screen to bakari he's point, but my hand bowing out right now, does this really propel vice president kamala harris and other delegates are coming in saying that they're going to be behind her. is he putting her now in the best position to win? >> i think absolutely he is and we've talked so much about what president biden's legacy will be and everyone who was trying to get him to bow out oh, kept focusing on his legacy and that is so historic and everything he's done for the country. i think this will be one of them. he certainly, put the black woman first black

woman on the supreme court. we always talk about that. obviously chose the first black woman to be vp and now he is going to be part of the reason why she becomes president can the united states, that's not to take away anything from what she has done herself because her row to hear has also been incredibly historic and so yes, i think he has absolutely put her in a position to do that, but i want to mention sort of on the same track of where ashlyn bakari, we're going about what this means, what she means to the people of this country the night that donald trump gave his speech, it was so dark and so offensive to so many communities. latino communities, immigrant communities. i got texts from a lot of might immigrant friends saying dollars donald trump just put a target on my family's back because of all of the lies that he was telling about immigrants kamala harris, the next president, united

states, will be able to take that target and turn it around and use it as a shield because she has been part and parcel of what president biden and xi have put in place to expand legal pathways for mixed families to become citizens so many immigrants that have been here for years without papers. she has been part of that. she was also part of reuniting families that donald trump had made or fins and had ripped apart. she was a part of that. so much of what she has done and will continue to do will be part and parcel of why so many families in this country will be some according her, i do wonder whether they will lead with immigration because that's been the achilles heel of so many successive and consecutive presidential candidate. it's going back decades at this point in time, and she was heavily criticized. the beginning of her own administration about this very point i hear i hear your bonus around that. well, that that's the point of all the reasons i told you. and by the way, people should know that today illegal crossings are lower than they were when donald

trump left office and that has got to be something that we repeat over and over and over again. so this really horrendous lie that they're going to use as attacking her as the borders are is just not going and work. >> i am curious because one thing i keep seeing online and everywhere when this news of her getting this endorsement and now officially likely being the democratic nominee saved something drastic from happening. is this idea of a debate? >> between trump and kamala harris, the prosecutor against the convicted felon, the idea of many people remember then senator kamala harris, when she would be this unbelievable firecracker, who would stick it to everyone who would come into her hearing, who dared not to answer the questions that she laid before them. >> and you have to wonder about how this will play up. and actually, joe, she was asked ones about what it would be like to debate donald trump, who by the way right now, is saying that there might not, this isn't fair and even debate or less what she said

it's very important that anyone who who present themselves as leader and wants to be a leader will speak like a leader and that means speaking with integrity can mean speaking truths. it means and speaking in a way that expresses and indicates some level of interest and concern in people other than oneself and so right there, we will see a great contrast that was 2019, obviously, when she was first running for president, how do you think that matchup will look now? >> i don't know that there'll be a matchup because i don't know that trump won debater i think he might not owe apps to loosely think he might not. this needs to be said though, to what ashley said. joe biden did something today that donald trump is humanly incapable of doing. he put his country

first. i don't think laura i don't think the trump campaign is going to know so how to deal with kamala harris. i really don't. they built the entire campaign to go after biden trump's struggles with women strong women. he's going to have our time, kamala harris and i would be very surprised if trump got up on a debate stage with there i know what i we want to bring go to bakari slip an on camera and you probably at this point in time, evan, let me ask you, how often in agreement biden on this campaign trail now well, that's the thing about this. you know, you now have this interesting situation where you have more principles available on the democratic side, then you have on the republican side, you have joe biden kamala harris, eventually her running mate, barack obama, perhaps bill clinton, hillary clinton. do you have a huge number of people who are ms sense now putting a shoulder to the wheel, it's a very different situation than if you can remember the lineup on the republican side in the night of the actual nomination when you

had let's face it, not exactly how cogen with a distinguished record in office. so look, this is going to become a much as joe was saying, i think it's going to be harder case for the trump campaign to improvise, figure out how it is that they're going to change the entire message that they've been running on. and look, this is a fact that joe biden just did something that americans on some basic level, whether they agree with his policies or not, they will admire the fact that he put himself behind the interests of the country, behind the interests of even his party. and it's worth pausing and recognizing that got the lawyer in me has to play devil's advocate bakari, because i'm seeing a lot of people who are on the other side of the aisle from joe biden suggesting that it wasn't met this is some part of a coup. or cover up. what do you say to them? >> first of all, my my advice would be something my mom always says which is at the devil though nino abby, even doing just fine. okay you know,

i think that people will see the process and one of the things kamala harris said in our statements was that she wanted to earn it and she's been making more phone calls today, then she's probably made as vice president in her tenure. >> i mean, just dialing now in talking to people whether or not it's thank you. i want to earn your support, but evan actually brought up a really good point and this is something that i'm going to hone in on for the next three-and-a-half months because we can talk about the history of commonly hairs, but there has to be something it has to be a plus a value-added to win this election. one of the things i've been thinking about is that the tucker carlsons of the world, many of our colleagues on fox news, they've been sowing fear since january of 20091 barack obama got elected this type of fear has been palpable and it's very divisive. and so when you see a convention where you have, i think the biggest dichotomy is that you have like amber rose those in a bunch of black elected officials from the republican party on monday. and then on thursday, you have who hogan who got fired from wwe for saying the word. and all in between is nothing but fearing

cultivating that fear. commonly hairs one of the things she has to do when she's talking about donald trump, particularly when you're going into not just my kids and not just our communities but to these white folk. yeah, you got to be able to talk to these white folk and say, look, i am a candidate of hope. now, we don't have to go hope and change obama. although if we could do it, if it works, do it again but she has to envelop her message and that the future under me as a white person who farms corn or a white person who is on the labor lines in michigan, or is somebody who was in arizona who is on medicaid trying to make ends me this election is about hope. you don't have to be scared every day of somebody who looks like maria, right? you don't have to be scared of somebody whose last name is cardona right? bakari sellers is not a threat to you, right? but what we can do is if we find some unifying bond together than we can build this country on, hope not fear and that's the difference. we don't have to talk about the rapist and the felon and all

this other stuff. we know who donald trump is kamala harris has to define herself as the candidate of hope. >> she can do that. she can absolutely do that. it is not us against them, correct? it is. america against donald trump quite honestly, right? >> bakari, she has to say, we're better than well, better than we can turn the page in our country to a brighter day. and that is not under donald trump. >> i'll be so curious to see what message is conveyed the way it is and the timeline we're talking about seems like it's pretty short to be able to convince, convey, and demonstrate one's identity. everyone stay with me right here. i've got to take short break, but when i come back, i'll be joined by a democratic congresswoman barbara lee. what does she think of her fellow californian leading the top of the ticket? i think, america is ready to do what it has never done before put a woman in the white house. we'll talk about it next on this sunday night. when you're in the cnn newsroom right?

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congresswoman barbara lee of california joins us now congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> i am dying to know what you make of president joe biden's decision. not to seek reelection in a longer laura, thanks so much for having me this evening first of all, i think, you know, president biden put country over self and i think it's, we need to take a moment today, especially to thank him. >> he'll him a debt of gratitude but to what he has done throughout his life as 304050 years in public servant. and they elected office, but also as president and vice president. i mean, he is a transformational president. not everyone agreed with everything he did, but i can tell you one thing, life is much better for so many people i mean, just think $35 capping insulin 15 million jobs the largest and boldest climate policy ever. he

focused on racial equity and economic equity and justice, reproductive freedom mean there was so many initiatives in how hello policies that he championed that may or may not have been popular. but i can tell you one thing he worked for the people and we really need to take this moment and say, thank you, mr. president. we owe you a debt of gratitude. >> he certainly will be defined as the public servant that i know that he hopes to be an is and has remained and this is a moment of such significance congresswoman to think that he now falls behind two prior presidents, not that's seeking reelection, likes of truman and lbj, obviously for very different reasons, but he not only said he was not going to seek reelection, he gave a full throated endorsement of his vice president, kamala harris harris are you going to endorse her i already endorsed her i endorsed her i endorsed her when she ran for president,

actually, the first time i think i was a raghad has been doors event and she's ready she's experienced. >> she's been in the white house three-and-a-half years and she knows what she's doing is she cares about people. she cares about young people. she cares about people who haven't been seen. she cares about the middle-class. you know, she cares about making sure that our democracy is protected. here we have a convicted felon who's tried to destroy our democracy vice versa president kamala harris as the prosecutor. i mean, look at the comparison they're here you have someone who's trying to establish a dictatorship, who is a pathological liar. here we have a woman of integrity, someone who has experienced someone who's ready, someone who can hit the ground running, and someone that i hope the party and i believe that the party would unify around and move forward and make sure we connect with voters and make sure that we win. it's not going to be easy. we all have to buy park. >> excuse me. i didn't want to talk over you, congressman, like my apologies, but you

know, but number is the numbers are donations that are coming in. i mean, the since the announcement you've got the progressive fundraising group at blue two, but they have raised 46.7 million. and these are just in the hours since joe biden withdrew. they are saying and this is the largest fundraising day of the 2024 cycle. it says a lot about enthusiasm with there has been a gap before, but then there are some who are using the word coronation. they're saying is this the way to do this? should there be a contested convention? people are certainly rallying around her in the donation and certainly delegate seem to be tamping to commit their own delegates to her. do you think that there will be the unification around her in the day is going forward to avoid a contested convention first, laura, i'm a member of the dnc and we have a process and we have rules and i can guarantee you we are following the processes and the rules and we are naturally counting

delegates. >> there. those of us who've endorsed her, who want her to be the nominee. she's reading, she's repaired. but we have to do the work and i'm telling you, people are excited about her becoming the nominee. and the dnc and the processes will be adhered to. there's no coronation going on. i mean, come on. do we have a short amount of time to do this? we have to connect with the voters you have to make sure that we beat donald trump. and so as a member of the dnc, i know all of us are adhering to the rules and the process is and will move forward according you know, many black women across this country, dare i say, globe have seen a similar pattern play out where somebody has earned their position and earned the seat that they are in. >> eve, they had to drag a chair to that particular table and then there are those who will question whether they ought to be there. she is in frankly going to be in line for a number of very extraordinary

vitriol. a woman in politics, you well know a black one and politics, you know, even better how do you think the electorate and frankly her opponent now, donald trump is going to approach her all right. you know, i know i know you'd like to about this. >> congress 7.5 and the legislature worked through a member of congress as its top staff prison for 11 years. >> and so the challenges are there, but quite frankly, i know that dr. my angeles said and still we rise. this about unifying everyone. it's about connecting with the voters no one is going into this, looking at it through rose-colored glasses. vice president kamala harris is prepared and she's ready and she's a woman of color. she's a black woman. she's a south east asian woman who was mother was from india who's raised in a multicultural environment, who

understands people of other cultures who understand the world in which we live who understands foreign policy and national security issues? she's ready, she's prepared and people have to you know, understanding the barriers and challenges that black woman constantly we face, we have to fight through that. we have to push through those and those of us. and i hope everyone is ready to do this and i was on the call for a awhile, 34, 35,000 black women tonight. i mean, the ready you know, black women lead and we know how to farm alliances because we know the vice president kamala harris, vice for everyone, she sees those who are poor, you know, i work on issues around poverty. >> poverty is endemic and so many communities and low-income and poor white communities disproportionately impacted in communities of color lifting people out of poverty, child tax credit, children's poverty, hunger, all those issues cross

cut across lines. so i think she can speak to constituencies all across the country, especially in those states where she has to win because she connects with people she cares about people and she sees people and we have to do despite heart, we don't have a lot of time, but we're going to do it. >> well, there's less than i a month or a dnc about 130 days until the election is a lot of time. it can it can pass. i'll be very curious to see how she is re-introduced to the electorate now, as possibly top of the ticket remember surely first black woman to run for president in 1972. >> that's how i got involved in politics. that's why i registered to vote. >> and she went to that convention and she was a major major player at that convention and paved the way for this day. >> and so we cannot let them legacy of shirley chisholm be disappointed in this moment and so we've got a lot of work to do, but we're going to do it. >> congresswoman barbara lee

and to all the women who've had to drag a chair to their own table. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. nice being with me well, a cnn poll of polls average finds that kamala harris is in fact neck and neck with donald well, trump within the margin of error, i should add in a hypothetical matchup between the two, who has only been a two hours since there was actually the announcement that she could possibly be the person to do that and they're 86 polls connected by cnn in june, it includes a cbs, you gov poll taken after the assassination attempt on trump will joining us now is pollster and communications strategist frank luntz. >> thank you for being here, frank, i mean, listen we were talking like two days ago about about the potential of whether biden would stay in the race or not. now here we are just like 48 hours later in the entire landscape has changed. but voters have been saying that they did not want a 2020 rematch, right? well, they're not going to get one it's time. how does this decision impacted? >> first off, landscape, even changed? said, i did one

minute, we're looking at these colorful dance now we're working at the white house every now and then i got to change it up, you know, this does open it up. we have only 4% are undecided between trump and biden. now as you look at those numbers, the undecided it's have increased the states that matter are still the same states. pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan the voter equation to actually get to that, to those states has changed republicans are still doing surprisingly well among working class voters, people who live paycheck to paycheck. but clearly the african american vote is going to increase the female votes can increase. for harris, if i were advising her, i would say focus on women 18 to 34 that biden was not doing well among them because he didn't relate to them and they couldn't relate to him. they can absolutely relate to her. that's her advantage. her disadvantages being in charge of immigration and you're going to hear that the democrats going to say

that's an unfair charge. but it was her responsibility was unfair charged, obviously, just to make the point fine. successive presidential administrations have not been able to quote unquote solve the problem of integration, but voters see things very differently at times. >> and that's what's key. and i recognize the congresswoman' s past and intensity, and that's something that did not exist during the biden campaign and we're going to see a lot of that. but in the end, it's not their passion, it's what voters learn so the question then becomes, can you name a specific success of this vice president? and she does care. i agree with that. i understand that but her caring is different than the voters knowing that she cares. in the end, it's not what she says. it's what they hear that matters. and she's got away to go to who defeat donald trump. he's got a very high negative. so does sheet. he's got a lot of people that will not

consider voting for him. so does she in the end, it's going to be the double-haters once again who don't like donald trump's persona. who question whether she's ready for the job and both of them are relevant and legitimate. and it's going to be important for people like me not to put my finger on the scale, but to acknowledge what's really there with him, it's his persona and some of his policies her in some of her policies, rather than her persona. and you know what trump's going to do. >> all these ads of her laughing and interviews are her not knowing her brief and for her, she's going to show trump and his most anti female responses and his most angry responses i believe this will be the most negative campaign that we've ever witnessed and i'm am convinced that we're going to have a different turnout ratio than we would have had under joe biden. >> she's a better candidate.

and donald trump needs to take her seriously, but she's still got away to go to prove the she's ready for this job. >> let me ask you first why i always kinda charcoal for some reason there is something so offensive about a powerful woman laughing on, never quite understand why, but it offends so many people compared to a man. but then you've got this idea before today. you and i, you were talking about different people who popped sibley would be a contender against trump and some of the names included new jersey senator cory booker, maryland's governor wes moore, former neurons mayor mitch landrieu it is an endorsement by biden though, for his vice president kamala harris, are any of these people now in terms of a partnership of running mates, would that elevate her opportunity? he's in chances and i'd be looking at someone i think the most likely vice presidential nominee is the governor of pennsylvania. >> josh shapiro. >> yes. because he's this is a different situation if she's

the nominee, he makes perfect sense because that brings pennsylvania josh shapiro's popular in the state. that's one of the three states and the understands the industrial midwest just as jd j.d. vance j.d. vance. thank you and that's what's going to matter most. these three states working class voters. people live paycheck to paycheck. people who feel ignored, forgotten, and left behind and it's going to be which one? either trump or harris, can better connect themselves personally to the struggles that these people are having. and it's real 25% of them do live paycheck to paycheck and it's unclear. i can tell you as a pollster, who's going to win this, i could have told you this three days ago, two days ago. i'm now is befuddled as everyone else, but i can promise you that the person who wins those three states is the

person who's absolutely elected. and that working class paycheck to paycheck voter is the one who is going to make the difference i got to tell you something very energizing about the idea of an not being able to predict the results in a democracy that's certainly what it's supposed to be about franklin. thank you so much. more of this unprecedented evening in american history. well, we come back this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. >> and the best political team in the business follow the voters, follow the results, follow the facts follow. >> cnn by iphone 12 with superfast 5g in a duel cameras system, then get real on limited data on the silver unlimited plan for just $20 a month for a whole year that's $300 in savings, less dollars, more sense. now with straight talk, i love that my

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leader. so bakari, i wonder, do you think it's going to be addressed? >> by the trump campaign yes. >> and i think they'll throw everything against the wall, whether it is the underbelly of what this country is, or whether or not it's trying to hang immigration around her neck it can be a number of those things. and again, i mean, we when democrats went on issues, right, we lose we lose culture wars repeatedly. by, that is just something we don't do. it's not our thing former first lady said, when they go low, we go high and from south carolina, that means when they go low, we go to hell, but everybody doesn't necessarily light take that mantra and so what we have to do, and i believe what the vice president will do is be able to do some of the like tomorrow. for example, this is simple thing. one of the most popular person in the country he's going to be the head coach of florida state women's soccer team, right? because that's going to be her first act as while the president is recovering from covid and people are going to want to see

what she looks like behind and that podium, et cetera, et cetera. she has to accept that and then again, meet voters where they are can't she do that? and i mean, you know, this is going to be brutal. we're not going to pull it up on just so you heard franklin sang, this could be the most and the ugliest political look a race of our times, which is saying a lot gruesome, a lot of ugly in the days in the past can what should she be doing to get ahead of it, around it or through it? >> i think that she expects it. i think this is nothing new to her as an a g and as a senator, the races that she not just the races that she had to go through to get there, but the issues that she dealt with as a gi those those are not pretty the issues that a.g.'s deal with every single day. those are not pretty so she knows what the underbelly of this country is, and she knows that it is going to rear its ugly head so she's very prepared for that. and the other thing

is meeting voters where they are she already has done that. let's remember the 2022 red wave, a big reason why it didn't happen is because vice president kamala harris first, went out and met voters where they are she went to black universities, latino universities, white universities, talked to all these communities about the reproductive issue that is why roe v. wade was the one reason, a huge reason why democrats did so well in 2022. >> i mean, shermichael, donald trump's campaign is going to have to thread a needle, there is a real risk of alienating people. the harder you go in a campaign and i know that's probably what they're accustomed to and trying to hit below a political belt. does it pose a different risk for them now that it's camila potentially i think it does she's a woman of color. she's going to be the first woman of color to be the nominee of a major party pretty there's just no way around that actually is a quiet well, i didn company formidable, right line if i tried to ignore that

fact, i think from the republican perspective, you're going to hit hard on the economic front you're going to talk a lot about inflation and say, look, joe biden's inflation is kamala harris is inflation joe biden, immigration failures or kamala harris? immigration failures are going to look at the foreign policy issues are going to say those are also at kamala harris, his doorstep as well because she was with the president rather along the way i hope we stick to that message and focus on swing voters, focus on suburbanites with that targeting will there be some who may go beyond that? >> probably. >> but i hope we just stay away from some of the points that bakari was alluding to in terms of some of the worst instincts of our past, because that doesn't benefit anybody. i think it's a great thing that there's now going to be a competitive person on the democratic side. republicans have an opportunity to continue to run a competitive campaign and make the case for why trump should be reelected. >> evan, let me get to you here because there's a lot of talk now before it was who was going to be the running mate of donald now it's who will be the

running mate potentially of kamala harris. what names are you hearing because we're hearing names like pennsylvania governor shapiro, kentucky governor bashir who do you think? >> well, there's also right. cooper of north carolina and it makes you know, what's notable fact about all of those people is that they do represent a new generation of politics. and one of the things you heard frank luntz say a moment ago was it's about partly about voters between 18 and 34 who let's face it, all of us have had the experience of the last couple of months of talking to young voters who are completely checked out that the end of today or the last 24 hours, they're not checked out anymore. they're going to decide whether they ultimately are going to be inspired by kamala harris and who she runs with. but they are checked in at the moment and depending on how you measure it, there's about 5 million gen z and millennial voters in the cities in swing states who are tremendously important and all of a sudden, they were in erasing they didn't care about. they're going to care about this race now. what do you think, ashley, i mean, the lean in should he was going to be a j.d. vance, kamala harris debate. that's no more do you

think that trump is likely to debate kamala harris? and by one or will he do a kind of proxy campaign ad to try to minimize her instead? >> okay? so it was supposed to be a j.d. vance and kamala harris debate, but j.d. vance had yet to accept the invitation we have urban dictionary word called shooketh. and i believe donald trump is shooketh okay, to debate got to explain it means he's scared you she was at and all i kept hearing his she had g like kamala harris will go toe to toe tinto's down with donald trump. >> she will prosecute the case just like she did against brett kavanaugh, has supreme court confirmation hearing, and i think that is what young people, when i think about building the coalition that we built in 2020, that was my job when she when the vice president got tapped in that moment, then senator man, she

was on the phone every day almost with me. like, what are we doing for young people? what are we doing for that? he knows what are we doing for aapi? what are we doing? what are we doing for rule voters? she understands the people where they are and she wants to go and communicate. she doesn't want to be in her ivory tower but donald trump is shooketh i want to point out something particularly about the three women who are on this panel tonight because regardless of how good of a lawyer you are or the experience do you have, or the fact that you've been around politics and know the ins and outs of it. >> people always look at you three and ask, do you belong here? right? it doesn't matter what you're doing as a woman this country, do you belong here? and so one of the first questions come, paris is going to have to answer. and i want to be very sensitive to what shermichael said because it is a legitimate point when you talk about the polling and all of those things, people should hear his point is that voters want to believe not the ones we're talking about, not the ones who were on the calls were talking about tonight, but the voters who don't feel their

heart palpitate when you say kamala harris says she's been caricatured so much she's vice president. so inherently, you don't know her task. she has to be able to show that she can do the job. now, is that fair but we know that going into right. and so and so does she. and so for all of those all those individuals who are like a parcels of hope like that's what you have to be when you've got to go out and be an apostle of hope for all those individuals who are possible of hope and trying to answer those questions, you can't start with the history because we all know that you've got to start with the fact that she is battle battle-scarred, battle tested. she knows the job of president. she can do the job of president. she's the only person who's been there done that and she can do it. >> can i add one more thing though? >> yes. i think this will excite the base and we need that you need your base to be with you to get you to a winning point. but in 2020, we also had republicans for biden. today, there was a tweet we need to verify, but that the

nikki haley pac endorsed the double-haters. i'm talking to never trumpers that i've talked to never trumpers after the debate and i said, so, what are we going to do? and they're like lfg anomalies not going to say that on google. let's go to i'm going to say i said, that i'm going to say this impostor syndrome does not live at this table you belong you belong, you belong. you belong. >> and i know i do. have an actual bakari maria shermichael, who all belonged. thank you so much. look, it's nearly monday morning on the east coast of united states and the presidential race here has been turned on its head. another hour of our breaking news right after this short break, don't be shooketh stay with us ready to be in new york giant? yes, sir let's do our team still add in pieces, still

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