started and the follow-on with camila, i believe we'll be able to do that and i believe that you're right. it will come through the suburbs so philadelphia, philadelphia, and pittsburgh, which is my district, chester county in berks county and i believe we will show up. ai absolutely believe that we will be successful just real quick. >> what is going to be the difference this time around than in 2016 when that didn't happen? for hillary clinton. >> i think we appreciate more than ever the stakes at this point in time. i think that we were awakened first with the election of president trump the first time around, then with, of course the successful election of president biden. and now i think we've seen the consequences of a return of president trump. and i think that we will absolutely we understand where the stakes are, how existential this election is, and we will show up congresswoman chrissy houlahan. >> thank you so much for being a welcome relief appreciate it. >> thank you for joining inside politics. don't go anywhere cnn news central starting right now cnn breaking news we are

breaking news, we're following a contentious hearing on capitol hill lawmakers are grilling the secret service director as calls grow for her to resign after the assassination attempt of former president trump. let's listen in somebody seven feet tall. and you're five feet tall. there's going to be a delta there that is problematic in protecting the protectee. and i'm asking is that a consideration when you when these agents not saying you, but when they're assigned to the protectee the agents that are assigned to our protectees are perfectly killed came. >> so sure is what i'm concerned about because the primary objective here seems to be something other than securing the site, securing the principal, and securing the people at the site, and that's the concern based on the

answers that you given today so far without a yields, jim chair now recognizes mr. moskowitz from florida. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you for this hearing. i want to thank the subpoena that you sent. i want to thank ranking member raskin, and your work. the letter you sent to the committee and i also support the creation of a commission to get to the bottom of what happened director i just want to give you an honest assessment of how this is going for you today. did you happen to catch the hearing many months ago? in education where there were a bunch of university professor of university presidents elise stefanik, asked a very easy question and couldn't get an answer. did you see that hearing? >> no, i don't think i did. okay. well, let me tell you. it didn't go well. and the short end of that story was those university professors all resigned. they're gone that's how this is going for you this is where this is headed.

>> okay. >> this is i don't know who prepared you for this i don't know how many times you've testified in front of congress but a president was almost assassinated live on television, not just for americans, but for the world to see and this being your first opportunity. i understand there's an ongoing investigation. i understand there's things that you can not talk about, but the idea that we're getting less than you did on television is something that democrats, independents, or republicans are going to find unacceptable my high school marjory stoneman, douglas was on the list of mass shootings that representative rank raskin held up. that very day. the school resource officer, a police officer, did not run into the building. he hid in the stairwell while the shooter was in the building, he stayed outside, never helped okay. he also directed other officers who showed up on the scene not to go into the building when it

was determined that the failures in response and training and. that the sheriff fired nobody in his agency governor desantis then remove that sheriff. i supported the removal. so here's my question. you said there's going to be accountability. i understand you don't want to give us names when you say that, are you telling the committee that once it's concluded, you're prepared to fire the people on the ground who made poor decisions that day i'm prepared to take the actions necessary. know that's that's nonsense. okay accountability the failure was human. that doesn't mean they're bad people. it means they failed that day. and a president was almost a former president, was almost assassinated okay. are you prepared to fire the human failure on the ground? yes or no, when you have the names of where those failures were, there, people, it's not like a piece of technology failed. it was people who failed that day. are you prepared to fire them?

>> i don't have an answer as to whether well, then how can there be accountability if you're not prepared to fire someone? and the reason why your name is going to be the person who's held accountable. the reason why members in this committee are calling for resignation and i join in that or for the president to fire you because you're saying there's going to be accountability, but you can't commit that people are going to get fired let me ask this question a different way if trump had been assassinated that day, if the gunman had succeeded okay. would you have common tendered her resignation i would still be sitting here because i would want to ensure the integrity of the investigation totally understand why that's a fair answer that you would have set up that process, but would you have had the honor to come in front of the committee and say a president was assassin foreign present was assassinated on my watch there should be new leadership i think that i have admitted that there was no would you have tendered your resignation if he had been killed? that occurred on my watch, and i am

accountable for that. >> okay. but would you have tendered her resignation if he had been killed? >> i think that i've admitted that i've taken accountability and will take responsibility. >> okay. >> well, let me ask i want to follow up on representative connolly's question in which he asked about guns and you're not willing to commit that that makes your job harder. this is not about the second amendment if there over 400 million guns on the streets, if all of those guns were machine guns, would that make your job harder to protect people again, i think weapons, all of those guns were rocket propelled grenades. >> would that make your job harder? >> yes, sir. yes. >> okay. thank you. perfect this is not a trick question. thank you. okay. i won't ask the other 15 things i was going to do. i was gonna do drone strikes, but it's okay so that's all we were asking. it creates a challenging environment. it has a new or the second moment of people's rights, but it does make your job harder. so credit to

representative connolly's for asking that question one last thing was criminal conclude you know, there was a question asked is an iranian assassin more capable than a 20-year-old? and i have been tough on iran. i probably have more resolutions on iran than almost anyone in congress, but i can tell you it isn't iranians walking into schools and grocery stores and movie theaters and churches is 20 year-olds right? and some of them are mentally unstable and they have access to guns and their domestic terrorists. someone talked about christopher wray christopher wray has talked about domestic terrorism. and so yes, we collectively come together on foreign threats and i am not at all debasing the fact that there are foreign threats here and abroad. but there are domestic threats. and we have to get to the bottom of how we stopped domestic terrorism because it was a 20-year-old who walked into my high school and killed 17 people. he was plenty capable and he wasn't iranian. thank you. >> chair. now recognizes mr.

timmons from south carolina famous chairman objected. >> we've asked you a lot of questions and hadn't really got a lot of straight answers. i have intentionally created a lot of questioning that i think that you can't answer so the first question is, do you agree that the allocation of secret service resources should correspond with the risk profile of any given event higher degree of risk at one event should get more resources. is that fair? >> that is fair. okay. and when two events occur at the same time in the same geographic vicinity that the risk profile of each event should be taken into account in whichever event is greater risk should receive greater resources that is correct. okay. so i'm going to go over the trump event. so this was publicly announced july 3, butler, pennsylvania, the venue is an outdoor fairground, open-air no existing security the crowd size is expected to be tens of thousands at end up being over 20,000 there were general and

specific threats from foreign adversaries. as the chairman of the intelligence remarked, iran has said they want revenge, as well as when president trump was in office. heat made a lot of people mad terrorists to be included all over the world and president trump is the former president and the future president. so i would say that that is a fairly high risk event. would you agree? >> yes. >> okay. let's conversely, the first lady hadn't event at a casino in pittsburgh just doesn't few dozen miles away? it was a dinner for the italian sons and daughters of america. it was publicly announced on july 10 what's interesting is that the casino is actually extremely secure. they already have magnetometers existing prior to this event even being announced, it was in a ballroom and the size of the crowd, amir 400. there were no specific threats. there may have been general general threats. and the asset is the first lady

those seem like there's a huge disparity relative to risk. would you agree yes. okay. thank you multiple whistleblowers and various media outlets have reported that the pittsburgh field office the secret service, allocated 12 additional post standards to the first lady's event and three additional post standards to the trump rally is that correct there were no assets that were diverted from the first amendment in this very simple question, i'm not asking you in one was diverted did the first lady's event that was relatively secure, especially compared to trump's rally get 12 assets and the first did the first lady's event get 12 assets and trump's get three from the pittsburgh field office that's a yes or no, please. >> don't answer it. i mean, if you don't know, don't have personnel, there were allocated to both of those events we're comparable to the risk at both

of those wael really. so you think that the pittsburgh casino 400 person in a ballroom with ingress egress through probably a very well-guarded parking garage was four times more dangerous than 20,000 person rally an open field with the former president, future president, you think that that's four times more dangerous the casino them. >> i didn't say that at all. >> well, they got four times the resources from the pittsburgh field office, who was likely in charge of the final walk-through for both events? >> i mean, we've continually highlighted the failures of the secret service at the trump rally and you have the former and future president getting shot. >> you have multiple injuries, one fatality in i would have to think that if we had nine more post standards, nine more individuals that have the training and the integration into the secret service. defense of trump at that rally that i have a feeling that crooks would have had somebody come say hello to him before he

fired a bunch of shots. what do you think that's possibly true? >> there were significantly more assets and resources available? all at the former president's event, than there were at the first who made the decision to deploy 12 post standards to the casino where the first lady was having a 400 person dinner and only three people from the pittsburgh field office to the 20,000 plus in person plus trump rally, who made that decision? >> there were additional secret service resources available at the former president trump's event, who made the decision to deploy 12 to the first lady's event and three to the trump event. >> the allocation of resources is decided based on the availability of personnel and their location and where they are. but there were sufficient resources. what you just saw were given to you just say there were sufficient resources? >> present for someone got killed. >> they were not sufficient resources. clearly, there are ways it doesn't take 27 years

of experience to know that. and whoever made that decision, it probably wasn't you needs to be fired and then you need to resign because this is absolutely unacceptable. you've lost the trust. the american people with that, mr. chairman, i yield back to when yields back chair now recognizes ms tlaib from michigan. >> thank you so much, mr. chair. thank you, director, for being here. >> you know, when we hear the headline, a 20-year year-old young man with access to an assault weapon commits and mass act of mass violence. >> i mean, we've heard this before over and over again but the unfortunate thing is that my residents don't get a committee hearing we have not had one committee hearing about the over 260 mass shootings that we've had killing hundreds of people, injuring hundreds, changing their lives forever and don't get me wrong to many of my colleagues. i mean, i watched and even the pool of blood, the screams. >> it was horrific but it made me think about the images i saw

after mass shootings at schools grocery stores. >> i mean, i think of buffalo, new york at a supermarket or a racist gunman killed ten shoppers with an a.r.-15 and el paso ak 47 style assault rifle killed 22 and florida in parkland, florida 17 students and teachers murdered. again with an ar in pittsburgh at a place of faith, tree of life synagogue 11, murdered and don't get me about newton, connecticut which still breaks my heart 26 murdered, including 20 elementary school children. the sierra in michigan, we've had mr. chair to mass shootings 21 shot in detroit because at large at one of the most horrific shootings we've seen, two killed at a splash pad in rochester hills michigan eight

shot there. again, an assault weapon used but the difference here is the former president gets a hearing in his attempts to set it. my all residents don't get a hearing about mass shootings, about gun violence in our country you know, mr. chair, i ask this wholeheartedly you know, they don't have secret service to protect them. they don't i don't have these mass agencies protecting our kids in the schools or the supermarket movie theaters are going to a block party in detroit. i don't have that. we don't have that but i can't believe we're just going to focus on that and not the fact that we're hearing yet again in the headlines, a 20-year-old young man having access to an assault weapon, a weapon of war. many of my veterans say they have to be trained to use but he can get it wasn't safely stored by the

parent grabbing that gun innocent lives for lost director, i know you got asked about this and i think it's important though, for us to hear this but how difficult is your job when there's such easy access to assault weapons? in the streets i think the job of a secret service agent and officer is incredibly difficult i think the environment we deal with every day and the dynamics of the threat environment is incredibly difficult. >> these are brave men and women who put their lives on the line and a day like we had on july 13 is a day that no one in my agency ever wants to have as their responsibility. it is it is an incredibly difficult job. >> immediately thought of the children in the audience. and when you think about going a rally with your family again, their lives are forever changed

the incident wasn't are isolated. i really believe these incident that never isolated. and i know detroit free press, he reported that the 20 pennsylvania shooter looked up the 2021 oxford spurred high school shooting in michigan. can you comment on what information is shooter was looking up regarding the tragedy of oxford high school where it took four of our high school youth there i'm sorry. >> i'm not able to the fbi has those details so you can't even tell us what was he looking at the type of weapon? >> how many unfortunately, i don't have those deeds. you have i mean, did they share that with you though? >> i don't have the full content of what his searches where i think that they are still in the process of examining all of his day devices okay again you know, again, the impact i want to be really serious about this. the impact on our families is more than just this political rally. mr. chair, we have to talk about this even if we're in disagreement let's talk about

it because i've seen statistics that show that we could be saving lives. now if we ban these weapons of war from our, from being able to buy it at the local store down the street and we we just can't continue to allow this to happen and unfortunately, my colleagues, my residence or not former presidents of the united states, they don't get a hearing. they don't get secret service any of that. and even among those that are expressing the failed in the system, they just deserve better. they truly do think you and i yield. >> chair now recognizes mr. burchett from tennessee. >> thank you, mr. chairman. ms cheatle, the shooter was set up on the roof of ajr international building, as we know, was the roof identified as a potential vulnerability days before the rally? >> to my knowledge, yes, it was were agents or officers inside the building, if so, what floor where they on with local police officers inside the building? >> the roof flux, i could said tin roof, how did no one inside that building here someone moving on top of a metal roof? >> i don't have the details of

all of the interviews that have been conducted yet. >> when will you have those? >> i have been asking and i want to have that information as soon as you do. >> why did secret service failed to block the line of sight from that roof? >> i think that the secret service put together a plan where they were counting that roof in as part of their overwatch and that was the plan that they had put in place that day. >> if you weren't going to put a security personnel on the roof, why not at least us drone technology or aerial surveillance to monitor the rally? >> there are a number of times that we do use drone technology. i'm not speaking specifically to this event. and what was utilized or not. there are times when drone technology is available and helpful at events, and there are times when it is not appropriate. >> do you use signal? do you use personally you signal to communicate with any official from the white house? signal on your phone. >> au on occasion, i'm sure that there are people that use signal. >> yes. >> okay do you do you use it to

speak with the white house? >> you signal? >> no, i do not. >> okay when was thomas crooks first identified as a person of interest? >> you may help you at 5-10. he was spotted with a rangefinder at 5:51 secrets. and when did when did secret service notice him? >> again, i don't have those specific timelines, but it was a relatively short period of time may help you. >> 552 ms cheatle why was president trump allowed on stage ten minutes after the secret service spotted a suspicious individual that seems to me to be the worst thing of all and all the breakdown in all this communication, all the bs you've been baden us here today are not fading us. that seems to be the question so i said as i've stated before, there are a number of events where suspicious people may be identified. that doesn't necessarily mean my i submit to you. you've got a guy who's going to be the next president united states. he's on stage.

i've been to these events. we've all been at these advanced a car backfires and there's a 15-minute that gum white that's not acceptable. did the secret service tell president trump they'd have they'd spotted a suspicious individual before he was shot i unclear as to what the communication was with the former president at that time? that isn't a no did you all did not president trump's request for more security? yes or no and when was the when was the most recent request for additional security? >> the rally request for security. all of those requests were fulfilled and were there any personnel redirected to joe biden's rally? >> no. >> who made the decision on the direction of agents at either one of those rallies i've unclear as to your question on the direction of the agents i said who directed those agents to be at miss biden's rally or

president trump's rally this specific agents so there is a methodology in which agents are available for assignments and they are assigned based on either geographic location or logistics or flam i appreciate all that, but that methodology about god, president trump killed was a security detail guarding president trump, a temporary detail. >> the personnel who were assigned to the former president's detail are assigned to him. >> why was there a different detail on the opening night of the convention? then the detail that was garden him in pennsylvania they're president has a very large permanent protective detail assigned to him they work shift work. >> and so it could be that people you saw at the rally or not working the same shift the day that he was not going to share you, ma'am, somebody that's a lot shorter in the president was not at the convention and the people that were carrying down behind the massive of agents that were on

top of the president were not in the convention hall, at least i didn't see him you can't answer. same answer a single question about an ongoing investigation, ma'am. and you don't know when the information will be released publicly, are you waiting for the administration to sign off? >> no i am. waiting for the results of the investigation at which time i may ask you one more question. >> you found explosives in the shooter's possession. is that correct the fbi found explosives. do we know how who directed this young man how to make those explosives? >> i believe that the fbi is still looking into that on their investigation. >> ms jw said that the buck stops with me and i agree. i don't think he should resign. i think she should have been fired. ma'am, you are a dei horror story i've told my daughter multiple times, my wife and my daughter, we talked about her all the time about how she's going to succeed in life, show succeed in life by achieving. maybe you have not achieved today, eva, let the american public down because up to me, you'd be gone. thank

you, mr. speaker chair now recognizes ms crockett from texas. >> thank you so much, mr. chair and let me just pick up where my colleague from tennessee left off directed cheatle was the incident on july 13 due to dei or rather systemic failures in communication and potentially safety protocols the incident on the 13th has nothing to do with dei the incident on the 13th has to do with a failure or a gap either in planning or communication. thank you so much. in fact, i have a few articles that i will enter into the record. once i wrap up, that actually acknowledge a number of women, specifically for their valor and their service, whether it's been in various levels of law enforcement but you know, i want to stick here for just a second because earlier you had a conversation in which there was a discussion about training

and i want to talk about training and i want to talk about the fact that there's been a little bit of dancing around as it relates to this being a suspicious person. and this being a situation that was perceived to be a threat and it seems as if there's a different analysis that takes place. one of my questions has to do with if you have any bias training that you officers undergo and the reason that i asked that because as a civil rights lawyer, i have learned so many times and having to deal with law enforcement there usually is not a perception of a threat when needed as a young white male, even if they are carrying a long gun, yet a lot of times, at least in this country when it comes to law enforcement, there is a perceived threat just by somebody having a little bit more melanin in their skin. so i'm curious to know because a lot of times one of the things that we have consistently pushed for on my side of

things. and when i say my side is once we are looking at a tragedy in which law enforcement made an error is the bias training and whether or not our officers are getting it. so i'm curious to know oh, in some of the training that you talk about that as part of your budget has bias trying to mend part of that? >> yes, it is. okay. thank you i know that today is a rough day. in on that day and pennsylvania, it was a rough day. >> and the reality is that i understand it and you may or may not know the answer to this question in this space zone, breaking news and i want to bring in jamie gangel to talk a little bit about that. >> nancy pelosi has just endorsed kamala harris in her presidential run. and it seems like she may be not the last asked to when it comes to either former or current congressional leaders. >> so i think we're going to see today the trifecta of democratic leaders. we just heard nancy pelosi, former speaker. i am told by multiple sources that as soon as today

and i would guess today, we're going to see senator schumer on the senate side, leader. there and how can jeffries on the house side that would leave just barack obama as the only sort of major party leader. but i think what's important is you are seeing an avalanche of support. the party is coalescing. they did not want a messy multi candidate speed dating quick primary going in to this convention. and even i think people who were concerned about whether vice president harris could beat donald trump have decided the party has to come together and go all in. >> it is remarkable two to see some of these names that you've reported, jamie that are being floated as vice presidential potential vice presidential picks that could have potentially challenged her. and we are what, 24 for hours, barely. 24 hours. and to see

them almost all come out and endorse her and just make it very clear. we're not we're not doing this. i can't think of anyone who's on the likely list that's been floating. an even those who might be less likely who have not already endorsed her we had three of the four yesterday. that was north carolina governor roy cooper. we had mark kelly, senator from arizona, josh shapiro, governor of pennsylvania, then today, andy beshear, governor of kentucky, those are the four names you here. most often they evolve endorsed her illinois governor pritzker endorsed her today and i will tell you, i'm not completely surprised about the pelosi endorsement because a couple of hours ago, her daughter christine endorsed. when you have adam schiff yesterday jay, who's very close

to pelosi endorsing and christine pelosi today. you know, it was coming. you can read those tea leaves the calculus from those in the party, from the party is that something really messy is going to be worse than getting accused of clearing the field for someone. >> it's a little bit about how they're thinking about that is some people may argue they're denying their been a lot of different choices and people actually been able to pick and choose, break so the word coronation has been thrown around a little bit. i think that that's really code for something else. and that was there were skeptics, there are people who are not sure at the vice president harris would be the strongest candidate to take on donald trump. and so there was an argument. let's have an open field let's see who said out there. but when you are for weeks away from a convention. and i spoke to someone who is

working on the videos for that convention yesterday. and i said how's it. going? and the source said, well, the message is the same, but we don't know who were making the videos about who are were the names the difference? credit party is known for messi. that's not but i think this time they don't feel that they are running against quote, normal republican candidate, someone said to me this is not mitt romney, this is donald trump this source said to me okay, kristie in peril is not a campaign slogan. and so there was this tongue in the party. do we open it up and see if there might be someone stronger? hunger? or do we coalesce? is vice president harris the best one in 24 hours with all the money that's been raised east and this flood of endorsements they've been very

disciplined. >> that's what i wanted to ask you about because it's nearly 50 million in small all dollar donations. this is, these are not megadonors. these were small dollar donations. they can in theory go back to again for her to get that support grassroots support or how much of that played in to her convincing, perhaps maybe some people who were skeptical. >> so money plays a role in the party our colleague pamela brown and i did a story yesterday about big donors, megadonors, who said they were going all in one donor says to me, i'm going in big emphasized, big so they know she's someone who can raise money. but i also think at the end of the day they we can't ignore that she was the vice president. she is part of the biden-harris team. and there's also the structure of that i'm paying that she can inherit and so now it is the veepstakes. >> i mean, there is some mystery to what comes next and

that is that would be if you we expect that she is overwhelmingly likely to be the nominee who then is going to be on the ticket with her. >> so what we keep hearing, we started yesterday, four names being floated, they all have one thing in common. they are white men. i think that the party feels that for balance and for swing states battleground states, they need that kind of balance and the for our senator mark kelly of arizona, who i'm told by he's president harris, knows very well and likes very much that certainly swing state. and then you have kentucky governor andy beshear north carolina governor roy cooper, and pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, that doesn't mean that there might be someone else, but those were the four names that are being floated as really the leading

contenders. >> let's bring in david axelrod, i believe he's here with us of course, a former adviser to former president barak obama, david great to have you here. we're getting this great reporting from jamie gangel, who's sitting here with us but we're expecting, as always, great reporting that's right. that we're expecting do you hear these endorsements from chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries as soon as today, we just got this endorsement from nancy pelosi. >> there are still eyes on the former president, former president obama. >> what might be going through his head right now, as all of these pieces start to appear to settle into place well, i haven't spoken to him today, so let me be clear. >> i'm not speaking for him but he has made clear that he wants to play the role that he's played before, which is to help pull the party together there he didn't want to put his finger on the scale of the of the choice that the party itself would make and but, you know, what's very clear now is now there used to be jessica a

speaker of the house and illinois years ago, who went to legislative deal was coming together. he would say, i can smell the meter, cooking well, the meets and cook him and the deal is done and i think that, you know, president obama is aware of that. and i'm sure that he'll have something to say soon because this decision has made every single person, who was considered a potential candidate other than kamala harris has now endorsed her nancy pelosi. obviously had been a proponent of a kind of competition for this among some of those contenders is now endorsed her. you don't you don't have to be a political genius to understand what's going on here. >> totally what would have happened. david, if there were more options? for people which

i think ultimately in the absence of there being a president biden running for reelection, a decision that probably some voters wish have been made instead, a while ago that they would have actually had, had more choices. what would have happened if they had that at this point in time well, i think you would have had a robust competition democratic party has a lot of talent and some of them were just on the screen of that list of potential vice presidential candidates that jamie gangel shared with you and so i think you would have seen some of those people and others in an open competition? >> but that's not where we are right now. and the vice president has great advantages, not just internally, but also in terms of the experience of three-and-a-half years of being vice president that in this short timeframe made it pretty obvious decisions. so yeah, i mean, we can go back in the way back machine and ask what would

have happened, but what's happened now is a coalescence around her and honestly a great deal of enthusiasm and excitement that i've seen i just think there's a sense of relief a day ago, there was a sense of despair. and today. there's a sense of possibility and excitement and that's all you can ask for at this juncture, lot of work for her to do ahead of this after this this is just the beginning and the first order of business in some ways is may be picking this vp because if they do an early endorsement by by virtual endorsement in the next week they're going to need a ticket. so i would expect that we get a pretty quick answer on the vice presidential nomination and david, i just want to ask you one more quick question about just the apparatus of the democratic party the coalescing around harris, not necessarily the, the leadership, but, but campaign operatives, donors, fundraisers.

>> it seems like there is an all hands on deck back from people i'm talking to. it's it's it's all hands on deck and everybody wants to be a part are a lot of people want to be a part of this well, i don't think there's any question about that. >> listen, everybody accepts the gravity of this election. everybody understands the stakes and the consequences of this election and i think that you know the whole gamut of people who are involved in democratic politics are of one mind that they that she is going to be the candidate and they want to help and so i never thought that there was talk about money and if it were one candidate or another candidate, their money is going to be there and i think the volunteers are now going to be there and the energy is going to be there you know, there's been a sea change in people's mood in the last 24 hours and david, if you can stand by for us, i do want to go to cnn's

steve contorno, who is in middletown, ohio, which is jd vance's hometown. >> ahead of a j.d. vance event and i wonder if we're probably going to hear more of this attack line from j.d. vance. we've heard it from him. we've heard it from other republicans. where they are now taking aim at kamala harris basically saying that she that biden is not fit to be president right now. and this is something that kamala harris has enabled. i wonder how republicans feel about how that attack line work. steve, because listening to some democrats they don't think it works. of course it will be up to the voters to decide yeah this is a campaign still trying to figure out a new messaging strategy around this massive change in the democratic tickets and this this is preparations that began in earnest about three weeks ago, right around then the trump campaign realized that the democratic hand-wringing over the bidens debate performance from its wasn't going to end. >> and so they started

researching the potential replacement. democrats. they started really zeroing in on vice president harris as the most likely person to replace joe biden. they did eyed internal poll putting donald trump against harris and seeing how they locked in certain swing states. and now they've started already on their messaging and attacking vice president here at harris, you are seeing you saw at the convention, she was the most so tech person on that stage other than joe biden, that was something that the democrats trump's campaign had reached out to surrogates, suggesting that they do. we also have seen new ad from a super pac supporting donald trump, which has already on the air in four different states. and arizona, georgia, nevada, and pennsylvania, where they are going to try to hurt her early and often tried to identify her before she can get up on the airwaves herself. and we're going to see now from senator j.d. vance in his first appearance as a candidate by himself. he is going to be

testing some of those lines. we're going to get an early window so how he intends and the trump campaign intends to attack senator harris going forward, this is a big event for him. it's in his hometown of middleton, obviously, the setting of his memoir so billy elegy and it's going to be the first chance for republican voters to really hear from him just by himself all right steve will be waiting for that. >> steve contorno. thank you so omar shah and thanks as well to jamie gangel with her excellent reporting and david axelrod and his analysis, we'll be right back tv on the edge, moments that shaped our culture coming this fall on cnn the darkness of bipolar depression make me feel like i was losing interest in the things i love. then i found a chance to let in the light discover, capitalize. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar one, capital ada

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security lapses that led to the assassination attempt of former president donald trump are going to pick this backup and listening for you the moment i received notification, but you can't remembering you got little old-timers dementia going. i mean, you can't remember. >> i have several active investigations going on and an operational agency to run okay? alright. but you want to take accountability, right? the buck stops with you, right? >> i'm taking accountability super then let's start with trying to answer some questions you keep referring to the fbi when asked how many shell casings were on the roof, you referred to the fbi when asked if there were explosives in the car, you referred to the fbi when asked if crooks was acting alone, you referred to the fbi, see a common theme here. >> i can go on and on my question is who at the fbi should i speak with wait for it. >> wait for it. >> the fbi is responsible for the criminal. >> is there a name?

>> i'm not certain. >> i'm not certain at all right. here i don't know. let me ask a different question. have you been in communication with the fbi? >> yes, i have. >> with whom? >> i speak with the director and the deputy director. >> okay and what have they shared with you about? >> well, this investigation so i'll give you an an an opportunity to answer again did they share with you how many shell casings were on the roof? >> they have shared with me the did they share with you how many shell casing were on the roof? >> yes okay. >> how many were there? >> i would refer to the fbi for how many were there and their information that they need to share in their investigation. >> so they've shared the information with you. you just don't want to share the information with us, correct? >> we have concurrent investigations that are going on, so they have shared this

information with you, you know the answer to the question. you just refer refuse to answer the question from the member of congress who has subpoenaed you to be here. is there a different answer to that question? >> i was always willing to come here and testify before this oversight hearing. >> beautiful. then let's do that. let's let's for once, have your actions match your words. >> so you've been in in communication with the fbi you know, the answers and you refuse to tell us the answers. >> so i will ask you again, you know, how many shell casings were on that roof? what is the answer to that question? >> i think it's pertinent. >> what is the answer to that question? >> i think it's pertinent to talk to you about the information that the secret service has and that the secret service knows, really, i'm asking you an answer to the question. if you're supposed to be in charge, if the buck stops

with you, how come you can't share the answers? what are you covering up? what are you heightened my friend i'm not covering anything. then why can't you answer a simple question i would leave it to the criminal investigation to answer questions related to that when you talk to the fbi and you ask them how many explosive well, let me ask you, did you ask them how many explosives were on the roof? do they answer that question? are in the car, excuse me. did they answer that question for you? >> yes yes. >> so you know the answer to that question that my colleagues have asked you. but again, you refuse to give us the answers. you're playing. this wasn't me. will i submit to you if. you can't, it's not a cat. it's a won't nauta can't it's not a i don't know. it's i choose not to answer the question. well, let me tell you, ms cheatle if

you're going to lead, you need to lead. if you want to be in charge, then answer the question or step aside. have someone with the courage and the guts to answer to the american people the questions that they deserve, answers to. and with that, i yield back shirt au record as ms boebert from colorado. >> thank you, mr. chairman, i'm going to continue down that vein. you have been here sitting today, director cheatle definitively able to dismiss erroneous information and speculation. however, you are refusing to answer questions that we now know that you have the formation for, you are saying that you are wanting to answer questions at the secret service has information to will, ma'am, you are the secret service? you are the director. you have said that you are the best for the job so i'm going to ask you some questions now. now, knowing that you do have answers from the fbi, whom you have been passing the buck to this entire day and i'll start with

something that maybe the fbi doesn't know because it's has to do with you personally. you said you spoke with president trump after the assassination attempt and i want to know. did you apologize to him directly for nearly having president trump killed yes, i did i appreciate that i appreciate that you recognize that this was your failure. >> now, since the assassination attempt, you are under oath reminding you, have you communicated with anyone at the white house on an encrypted messaging app like signal yes or no? >> no, i have not. >> are you willing to surrender your personal phone for analysis? >> if i am required to do so okay i will look into making that request because i would like to see your personal phone to see if you're communicating over encrypted message surging

apps. have you ever turned down enhanced security requests from donald trump's detail, his special agent in charge, sean quran have you ever turn that down no, i have not. have there been as as your team has a secret service, maybe not. you personally? >> i believe as i mentioned earlier, there are times when requests are made for denied them. >> they have been denied bond a denial doesn't has the trump campaign may request for additional i'll assets that have been denied denial doesn't mean vulnerability. >> have there been additional requests for enhanced security at mar-a-lago we have made a number of enhancements to you, confirm that there were bomb sniffing dogs that were provided. >> you failed to confirm if there were aerials, security surveillance, assets that were provided, so yes or no. was that provided? >> at the ratha rally? yes, ma'am.

>> we had overwatch provided at the rally. >> you've confirmed that the assassin was identified as suspicious and her mccabe, former fbi deputy director, and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, who has been watching this contentious hearing with the director of the u.s. secret service, who by the way, we just ended on a question there, andrew, as she's been now asked about overwatch at the rally. but she's not providing details at some of this is quite performative, of course, on the part of some of these members of congress. but there's also a very legitimate frustration with her appearance there today yeah, i think that the keyword there, brianna is legitimate so i have to say my heart goes out to her. >> this is a really tough day. anyone who's running agency and has had to go before congress kristen, to answer these questions in the aftermath of some sort of problem it's never pleasant so i feel bad for on that count.

however i think she's made some really serious tactical mistakes in the way that she has chosen, not to provide factual information that she has and the provision of which would not jeopardize really any sort of a ongoing criminal investigation often, we are in the unenviable position of having to say we can't share information because it's part of a criminal investigation. a defendant's rights fred risks. we don't want to compromise evidence that might be used in the investigation that's sort of thing. that is obviously not the case here she could have come in today and said, i don't have complete information. we haven't finished our investigations, but i will share with you what we know so far with the caveat that some of these facts may change as we learn more and just been more transparent about what she knows and

doesn't know. and i think things would have gone a little bit better they're there to perform and beat up on her no matter what she says. so you would have seen some of that anyway, but yeah. i think some mistakes made here on the part of the secret service director, andrew, why do you think she's choosing to go that route and not doing what you just laid out. >> you know, it's a really tough question. i would i think we have to recognize that the secret service has really mishandled the communications part of this attack. from the first day, from refusing to show up that night at the law enforcement presser and then in the conflicting statements some of which have been made by her subordinates about whether or not requests for resources were denied. some of which were made by her crazy things that just made no sense when she initially made comments that seemed to attack their local law enforcement partners, that was a terrible mistake. putting out that while we wouldn't have

had people stand on a roof because it was sloped when there's 100 pictures of her own agents standing on a much more pitched roof than the one she was talking about so they've not been good from the very beginning. i think she probably suffered today from some bad advice and some terrible preparation there were facts that were asked of her, which she clearly didn't have command of that backs you further into that position of saying i can't share that with you. i just think it's a series of errors in their entire approach to communications that's really put them in very bad spot there behind and the curve right now on the public relations side of this, and that's never a good place to be i do wonder why she isn't kind of caught trying to be as transparent and engaged as possible. >> and whether it is what she he's saying or even her demeanor, you're not getting that one of the things we learned during this hearing andy, is that she hasn't gone to the site and i don't know

maybe you can give us some idea of this. i don't know if that's normal, that she should or should not go to the site, but i think it could certainly help ones understanding of what happened to go and get a sense of things no question. >> i mean, first of all, nothing about the situation is normal, right for assassins aren't taking shots at former president's every day. so there's no rule book for this one. especially when they realize what a, what a challenging spot she was in communication side of this just to go out there to send that message first and foremost to her troops that she cares that you wanted to see it for ourselves, that she has that deepen interest in the facts and what happened and getting to the bottom of this, that she went out they are put her own hands on it. i mean, that would have been very effective and important thing to do. it would also helped her today and our answer to that question. >> but again, another decision

or an omission of a decision that really has come back to hurt her and put her in a very bad light i think she's an honorable person. >> and has served our country well for many, many years. i don't want to i don't want to throw all kinds of rocks that are boy, it seems like she's in a very, very tough spot on this right now and getting it from all sides. >> andrew mccabe, great insights. we appreciate them and still to come minutes from now, house minority leader hakeem jeffries speaking to the media as we're learning that he along with senate majority leader chuck schumer, will soon endorse kamalaharris for president stake with cnn but jhiela amelia earhart be a practical joke some travelers belong in the history books in practical jokers, all new thursday's attack on tbs set your dvrs, protect against rsv with the wreck sv. a wreck sv is a vaccine used to prevent

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